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September 20, 2021 at 9:25 am in reply to: what they’re sayin about Stafford … starting after the Bears game #132334
znModeratorJeff Riger@riger1984
Matthew Stafford is 2-0 with 5 TDs & 1 INT.Last. time he was 2-0 was 2017 & he had 6 TD’s & 1 INT.
He proceeded to go 7-7 with with 23 TDs & 10 INT.
Of course they missed the playoffs because he was bad in two must win games down the stretch.
That’s Stafford.
Give it time.
John Lavallo@johnlavallo
You mean 2017, with the Lions 32nd ranked rushing attack, 27th ranked Defense and 6th ranked passing attack?The Lions went 3-1 the last month. And they would have made the playoffs if Golden Tate’s arms were 2 inches longer.
Yep, all Stafford s fault
zn@znramsfan
Plus here is the percentage of the time the Lions threw the ball when behind in 2017: 53.8%. In contrast in 2017 Rams threw the ball 27.25% when behind. Combine bad D, no run, throwing behind a high percent of the time, & opposing Ds always knew Lions had to throw
znModeratorRams' 3 highest-graded offensive players yesterday: Kupp, Stafford and … Brian Allen!
Check out some other notable PFF grades from yesterday https://t.co/1w1Mlhr8Jk
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) September 20, 2021
znModeratorVan Jefferson benefits on the dog from a well-schemed play #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/5k2ch1l5mo
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) September 20, 2021
znModeratorI can’t get all of Waldman’s tweets to post for some reason. With some I can only link them.
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Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
Cooper Kupp with a field-flipper on the screen. Watch how he pressed to set up his linemen.
znModeratorI can’t get all of Waldman’s tweets to post for some reason. With some I can only link them.
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Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
Sony Michel with nice blocking and solid finish
znModeratorI can’t get all of Waldman’s tweets to post for some reason. With some I can only link them.
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Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
Cooper Kupp 43 yards and a lot of good story telling here. #RamsHouse
znModeratorI can’t get all of Waldman’s tweets to post for some reason. With some I can only link them.
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Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
Good blocking up front for Sony Michel
znModeratorMAKE IT ✌️ FOR COOOOOOP!@CooperKupp finds the endzone again! pic.twitter.com/dfVS2RAi6N
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 19, 2021
znModerator9️⃣ + 🔟 = 6️⃣😏 pic.twitter.com/36ZYjzfBgh
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 19, 2021
znModeratorSeattle loses.
The division is 7-1.
Right now their competitor as a top division is the AFC West, which at the moment is 6-1 with one game to play (Chiefs).
Ravens beat the Chiefs in a great comeback win. The AFC West is now 6-2. NFC West is 7-1.
znModerator.@rams v @Colts @AaronDonald97 seemed like he was chasing @cj_wentz most of the day. Regardless; they left too many points on the field. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/1BZfUAhmu9
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) September 20, 2021
znModerator.@rams are built around their Super Stars and when the game “hangs in the balance” they know they have to step up and @AaronDonald97 & @jalenramsey stepped up to seal this win. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/pDbOzINj4F
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) September 20, 2021
znModerator.@rams @AaronDonald97 v @colts @BigQ56 2 great players going at it for much of the night. Here are a few of the head to head matchups #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/foTHNXRymp
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) September 20, 2021
znModeratoroldnotdead
Morris has the talent for this defense to be elite. But it never will be by the conservative scheme he’s employing. It’s not the players. Staley had less talent and did more than Morris is doing. Drop, read first then react is a losing way to play. The players are too fast these days to do that. Staley played his zone as a combo zone/man. Zone only dictated who you would cover. Once a receiver entered the zone he was played in man coverage. Obviously, that is a simplification but it’s an illustration of how it’s different from Morris’ version. In Morris’ zone, they simply make their drops and wait to see where the pass is thrown then react. That concedes the reception. unless the DB is right on top of the receiver when the pass is thrown. That is the ancient way of playing zone.
Morris showed he can be more aggressive when he forced the Colt’s first punt. He locked them down immediately by playing more guys in the box, taking away their run game. When they were behind the chains he then backed off and played pass. I have no problem with that at all. Had he done that the entire game IMO the score wouldn’t have even been close. He would wait until they were on the Ram’s side of the field before he began to tighten things down. At that point he’s trying to limit them to FGs. That’s a loser mentality.
znModeratorChaos leads to some sloppiness — but silver linings, too, in Rams’ win against the Colts: The Pile
Jourdan Rodrigue
INDIANAPOLIS — If the Rams were trying to exorcise some demons, spew out some mistakes ahead of the long stretch ahead, well, Father Karras, you’d better duck this time.
The Rams beat the Colts 27-24 on Sunday, and they beat them ugly. It got so chaotically ugly through the end of the third quarter and start of the fourth, that all of these things happened in the span of just a few minutes:
• The first of three consecutive three-and-outs by quarterback Matthew Stafford and the Rams’ offense; this particular one also produced a 33-yard punt from Johnny Hekker and killed the momentum from a 10-yard sack on quarterback Carson Wentz by defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day.
• The second of three explosive passing plays by Wentz and the Colts’ offense; on it, the Rams’ defense fell prey to Wentz’s play-action and he completed a 23-yard pass. The Rams allowed the least amount of passes of 20-plus yards to be completed on them in the NFL in 2020 and they also were built (starting last season) to arrange their coverages from depth so as to not be caught by the play-action, as one specific by-product.
• A costly penalty on third-and-1 by Joseph-Day that gave the Colts a fresh set of downs.
• On that next first down, a jumbled and emotional moment in which starting inside linebacker Kenny Young appeared to get caught up in some after-the-whistle action, and made some sort of contact with the official as he was reacting to it. Young was ejected.
“I know emotions get high during football games; that’s fine. Football is a fierce game,” Jalen Ramsey said. “I can’t speak on specifically what happened on that play, to say who was right or who was wrong or whatever may have happened…I know for a fact that Kenny is not the type of guy to do something purposeful to get himself thrown out of a game. Whatever happened, I’m not sure.”
Rookie Ernest Jones got time alongside Troy Reeder as Young’s replacement, as did Travin Howard. Ramsey and Aaron Donald shared a moment with Young, and a few other players, before he was ejected. The Colts were also penalized for taunting, which moved them to a first down at the Rams’ 9-yard line.
“We’ll learn from that, (and) I know Kenny will learn from it,” head coach Sean McVay said after the game.
• That drive ultimately produced eight points for the Colts, as Wentz first found Zach Pascal for a touchdown on third-and-8, and then their two-point conversion attempt succeeded to bring them within three points of the Rams.
• Stafford was sacked for a loss of eight yards on his first snap of the next series, and the Rams went three-and-out a second time (the defense then forced a punt on their next series) and then a third time that included a drop by receiver Van Jefferson on third down. Stafford said after the game that he wished he had placed the ball in a better spot for Jefferson, whom he had connected with on a long pass in the opener last week.
“That’s another one where I wished I’d have thrown just right at his chin,” Stafford said. “Just a safe throw, too, just let him go down there and catch it. … It’s really on me to get them better passes so they can just do their job easier.”
The Rams also lost running back Darrell Henderson to a ribs injury on the drive.
• As the Rams aligned to punt again, they executed a slight shift with safety and special teams ace Nick Scott, but long-snapper Matt Orzech accidentally hit Scott in the leg with the ball and it ricocheted away and into the end zone … where the Colts fell on it for another score and the four-point lead.
A mess. Just a mess.
“I need a beer,” joked McVay as he left the podium and headed back into the Rams’ locker room after the game. Dude, no kidding.
“But our guys stayed the course,” McVay added, and so went the theme of the night, because whenever you find bad things, you also can find the silver linings — even if you have to create them yourself.
Like Stafford hitting Robert Woods for a first down on the play immediately after Woods dropped a pass. Or an opening drive by the Colts that backed the Rams up on their goal-line — the second time they’ve opened this way in their first two weeks, by the way, and both in partial courtesy of a chunk-play kickoff return and concurring drive — and was definitively halted by a Leonard Floyd sack. Another promising Colts drive, this time in the second quarter, stalled at the Los Angeles 3-yard line when Wentz introduced a little “ugly” of his own.
On third-and-goal, Wentz shovel-passed the ball over the goal line and right into a waiting Troy Reeder’s arms. It was Reeder’s first NFL interception, and a play the Rams knew was coming … and even ran with backup quarterback John Wolford and their scout team against their own defense this week to make sure they got it right.
“They were running kind of a tricky goal-line play with the option with the shovel-pass,” Reeder said. “We were pretty excited, it was a scouted look (so) we saw it. The last thing you’re thinking about there is making the pick. I think that’s sometimes how big plays happen — you’re in the right place at the right time and then you get the big, big play out of it.”
Or how about Cooper Kupp himself? Time and again, he came up clutch for the Rams and for Stafford, including with a touchdown on the opening drive. He eclipsed the 100-yard mark by the third quarter with a 43-yard catch-and-run, threw stiff-arms and push-downs on defensive backs to pick up extra yards and finished the game with nine catches for 163 yards and two touchdowns, including the go-ahead score in the fourth quarter (and the 44-yard pass that set it up). He and Stafford also freestyled a bit on a crucial third-and-1 in the fourth quarter in order to secure a conversion that ultimately set up Matt Gay’s game-winning 38-yard field goal.
“(Kupp was) the last guy I thought I was going to throw it to on that play, to be honest with you,” Stafford said with a grin. “They did a great job of covering it. We were trying to get Van or Woody on the front side of that play out and open, and they covered it … our guys up front fought just hard enough to get me a little bit of time. … I was able to find Cooper after — he was really just an extra, to be honest with you. I was able to find him and then he cut back, scared the hell out of me (because) I thought he didn’t know where the sticks were. He knew. We got the first.”
“We had a little play on that wasn’t necessarily the design of it,” McVay said. “But (they were able) to create when there was nothing there, and he and Cooper did a great job of it on that one, off a little play-action. That’s what great players do, they make you right when I’m wrong as a coach. I certainly was there and they found a way to get it done and deliver, and that ended up leading to that field goal.”
Ramsey, naturally, sealed the win with an interception of quarterback Jacob Eason, who bafflingly threw toward him after entering the game for an injured Wentz. Ramsey celebrated it by waving to the Indianapolis crowd as he ran a partial lap around the field.
“If you throw (the ball) toward Jalen Ramsey, he’s gonna make the play,” said Reeder, dryly, after the game.
But if we’re balancing silver linings, it’s fair to wonder what’s getting them to those points where their choice is either to somehow make that highest-pressure, most-crucial stop … or break? They allowed three explosive passes on Sunday against the Colts, one a 42-yarder (though a bit of a miraculous play on the part of Wentz, who got the ball downfield somehow as he was getting popped by Donald). Last season, they were the best in the league at preventing those air-yards explosives, or explosive plays in general (they also allowed a 41-yard run from Bears running back David Montgomery in Week 1). They’ve opened the year backed up against their own end zone twice in a row. Sure, they stalled the Bears in the red zone, and ultimately created a turnover on third-and-6. This week, Floyd came up with a sack on fourth down on the Colts’ first offensive drive, and in the second quarter, Reeder got his pick. They’ve allowed three scores in seven red-zone trips from opponents in the first two weeks, but they’ve also taken the ball away or forced a turnover on downs three times within the 20-yard line.
But as time passes, should they be getting that close in the first place? Whether it’s a big return (both weeks), a big run play (last week) or big passing plays (this week) that help set up these red-zone or goal-line stands in the first place, the Rams have to get them fixed. Reeder said the Rams have a long-running joke when they practice certain scenarios in the red zone (such as the shovel pass): “Hopefully we don’t need this.” But they have, at almost an odd amount (yet have come away remarkably clean from the experience). Is it as simple as rattling out those demons now, so they don’t swoop back in later?
“I’m being self-critical, but we have to step it up to maybe not let them get in the red zone and put us in those tough situations, which we’ll do,” Ramsey said. “We’ll continue working on those type of things, but we’re definitely proud of how we played when they did get the ball in the red zone.”
Former Rams defensive coordinator Brandon Staley designed the system the Rams currently run to make some small things available to teams, in order to prevent them from doing what they really want to do in both the run and passing game, and therefore in 2020 (and yes, in spurts this season so far too) the Rams were able to dictate as a unit. Allowing safeties to play from depth to smother a deep-passing or play-action game, for example, sets up lighter boxes up front and these invite run plays … but stifling gap-and-a-half run defense smothers the run, too. But the run wasn’t an issue Sunday night — at least not from the backs. Lead back Jonathan Taylor averaged just 3.4 yards per carry. Wentz, on the other hand, was very effective in using his legs to extend plays — slipping sacks on more than one occasion, or picking up big gains. It’s not that the Rams didn’t get to Wentz, either — they sacked him three times and hit him 11 times.
“I’d have to go back and look at it,” McVay said. “There’s a lot going on and some different things, I thought they did a nice job in kind of being able to let some things develop. We had some crossers where it looks like we kind of had two carrying vertically through a zone and (then) some guys came open.”
“I think a lot of it sometimes comes with a quarterback who is really good at extending a play,” Reeder added. “I think a lot of those big plays didn’t come out on typical five-step timing, typical three-step timing. It was extended play, guy who is … that’s a big guy back there, who has had a career making those kinds of plays. I think it’s just getting him on the ground when we get our hands on him (and) not letting those kinds of plays occur.”
But the Rams won! Why are we talking about chaos and demons (“You weirdo,” you think)?
The reason for all of the angst, of course — and especially in a game as chaotic as Sunday’s was — isn’t the closeness of the game, or the closeness of some moments such as these goal-line stands. The angst comes from expectation, because we see what’s there. We see what’s possible. Hell, the Rams showed us on Sunday, on their gorgeously designed, called and executed first drive.
Stafford completed all five of his passing attempts on the drive, for completions of 16, 23, 14, 13 and 16 yards (the latter of which was a touchdown to Kupp), as the Rams seared through the Colts’ defense again and again.
It was a drive in which McVay coached, and players played, as if they had all of the answers to the test. Except they started scribbling self-imposed problems on it part of the way through. To know that sort of drive is possible perhaps compounds the angst of those problems — but to players and coaches, they’re just that: Problems, that they believe they’re solving in real time.
“We were explosive today on offense, we just weren’t as efficient as we can be or want to be,” Stafford said. “It was an up-and-down game. Really, all three phases had great plays and plays I know they want back. But we stuck together against a team that is a really talented football team, on the road and in a hostile environment, and got a win — which is great, especially early in the season. Everybody is out there trying to work the kinks out, get to playing as good of football as they can.
“Winning those along the way is a positive.”
With an outing this turbulent, let’s just cut straight to the bottom of The Pile:
• Sony Michel (for whom the Rams traded last month) entered the game when Henderson got hurt and rushed for 36 yards on a single drive (with an 11-yard long) with the game tied in the fourth quarter. His promising, north-to-south running was working against the Colts’ defense … so it was a surprise when McVay threw out a double-motion sweep play on third-and-2, in which he sent Woods to the left on a pre-snap motion and had Stafford hand off to Kupp on the second sweep, to the same side. The play lost five yards (Gay still made his kick). Ramsey’s pick helped everybody exhale, with things still so close to that point.
“I hated my call that ended up forcing us to kick a field goal there,” McVay said. “Bad play call, great job by them making a play. I should have run something different for us, but that’s on me and I don’t run away from those things.”
Michel’s calmness on that final drive, and his execution, were qualities noted by teammates.
“There’s no flinch in that guy,” Stafford said. “He’s obviously new to our team (but) he has done nothing but work hard and try to soak up this offense as best he can. He’s a guy who has played in a lot of big football games. He understands what it’s all about. He understands how to be a pro. That kind of stuff is really valuable.”
• McVay confirmed that Henderson hurt his ribs, but his status is unknown. The Rams have been thin already at running back since losing presumptive starter Cam Akers to an Achilles tear prior to training camp, and backups Raymond Calais (ankle) and Xavier Jones as well (Achilles). Outside linebacker Justin Lawler, who was promoted off the practice squad for a second week, broke his hand.
• Scott notably came in for the Rams on a few extra defensive backs packages throughout the game. The cornerbacks rotated quite a bit as they did last week, and Ramsey confirmed that Darious Williams was in the “Star” while he switched to the outside as the Rams adjusted to a look that then put Ramsey in position to intercept Eason.
• Henderson executed several of his pickups in the passing game extremely well, but for a second consecutive week, there appeared to be a miscommunication with Stafford on a play where Stafford took a hit and negative yardage.
• We’ll have to keep an eye on catch-and-run plays, although I’m willing to forgive some of the technical/execution things this early in the season as players continue to get their feet under them. But all too often, the Rams got a hand or two on a player after the catch and either slipped, or got dragged along or missed entirely and in particular on some of the shorter passing plays that turned into long plays. Seven of Wentz’ 10 longest plays of the game came off either catch-and-runs after contact (5), a scramble by him (1) or a run play where the initial tackle was not contained (1).
• Stafford finished the game 19 of 30 for 278 yards, two touchdowns and one interception (the product of which, he said, was the ball sailing out of his hand weirdly as he tried to avoid arms and helmets).
“I’m just going to keep throwing the ball where I think it needs to go,” he said. “I definitely wasn’t at my best today. There were throws that I wanted back.”
He now has executed 39 game-winning drives in his career, which randomly coincides with McVay’s streak of wins when leading at halftime (including the postseason) … which is also 39.
znModerator6 key takeaways from Rams’ 27-24 win over Colts
* https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-colts-takeaways-week-2-learned/==
from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/19/rams-colts-record-history-stat-wins/Prior to 2018, the Rams hadn’t started 2-0 since 2001, going 16 straight years with either a 1-1 record or an 0-2 mark to begin the season. Now, they’ve gone four straight seasons undefeated through two weeks
znModeratorRams24/7@Rams24_7
Rams really should have beat the Colts by a lot more. Three 3rd downs we had the coverage beat past the sticks:
1. Kupp (miscommunication)
2. Woods (contested drop)
3. Jefferson (drop)Don’t expect this to continue. Uncharacteristic drops and chemistry will improve
Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Cooper Kupp now has as many receiving touchdowns (Three) this season as he did in all of 2020.
znModeratorOur D has plenty of room for improvement, but you can’t play this 4th down at the half yard line any better. So many PA at the goal line are wide open. Look how disciplined the defenders were in their coverage allowing for the Floyd sack pic.twitter.com/nKQj4d1VD1
— Rams24/7 (@Rams24_7) September 20, 2021
znModeratorSeattle and Tenn. tied 30-30
SF and ARZ won.
Seattle loses.
The division is 7-1.
Right now their competitor as a top division is the AFC West, which at the moment is 6-1 with one game to play (Chiefs).
znModeratorThree shot as family fight over gifts at Pa. baby shower erupts into gunfire
https://news.yahoo.com/three-shot-family-fight-over-163958914.html
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothers
Sony Michel looked great and was the only reason the Rams’ offense was able to add 3pts late in the fourth quarter.We were so spoiled with Staley’s defense last year. Seems like chunk plays are far more frequent with Morris at the helm.
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Sean McVay’s message to the team and public: Lots to learn from but the job got done.ILB Troy Reeder, dryly: “If you throw it to Jalen Ramsey, he’s gonna make the play.”
Troy Reeder said the goal-line shovel pass (the one he picked) was a scouted look.
znModeratorThe @RamsNFL offense centered around WR @CooperKuppespecially after the @Colts took the lead after a botched special teams fumble. Kupp takes us through how L.A. improved to 2-0. pic.twitter.com/nDRAZQ2qdT
— Steve Wyche (@wyche89) September 19, 2021
znModeratorJust how we drew it up.
📺 FOX pic.twitter.com/7xRlrpFbVp
— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts) September 19, 2021
znModeratorBTW, what exactly happened with that stupid punt snap error that resulted in a Colts TD?
Hard to tell if that was on the snapper, or on Scott (who is the guy it hit). The announcers think it was the snap but no details yet.
This one view:
Rams Junkie
Scott slid to the left but did not clear the pathway for the long snapper. The snap hit Scott and rolled back to Hekker in the endzone. The Colts defense pounced on it giving the colts the lead. It was at point when the Rams offense was struggling with three and outs in the 4th quarter. Here is the video link if you want to see what happened.Just how we drew it up.
📺 FOX pic.twitter.com/7xRlrpFbVp
— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts) September 19, 2021
znModeratorBTW, what exactly happened with that stupid punt snap error that resulted in a Colts TD?
Hard to tell if that was on the snapper, or on Scott (who is the guy it hit). The announcers think it was the snap but no details yet.
znModeratori miss staley pic.twitter.com/8UA5lZih15
— brittany (@brittany_bets) September 19, 2021
znModeratorMelissa Whitworth@mrs_whit77
I’m 100% sure Aaron Donald is being held 99.9% of the time he’s on the field….Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
After Sony Michel picked up 36 yards on one drive running the ball, McVay called a sweep to Cooper Kupp on third and two with a pre-snap motion runner to the same side (sorry if not explaining well). Play lost five yards. Matt Gay hit the field goal and the Rams come away w 3.Sean McVay’s message to the team and public: Lots to learn from but the job got done.
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Sean McVay: No further update on RB Darrell Henderson Jr.‘s rib injury; OLB Justin Lawler broke his hand.Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
“I need a beer,” Sean McVay says as he exits his postgame news conference.
znModeratorSeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
Take the win and get ready for a gauntlet.. Bucs, Cards, Seahawks up next.Axel Kopun@FV_Mylia_Lynn
If the Rams don’t get the defense & special team issues cleaned up, they’ll be lucky to avoid a 2-3 record after that stretch.Broly@UnleashedBroly
4 missed sacks. Maybe even 5. That’s the difference in the ball game and Rams having a blowout.SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
Special Teams mistakes are back breakingRamblin’ Fan@RamblinFan
Rams tackling sucks in the first two games.The Wag Reflex@Wags_Official
Ok now I’m questioning the Morris schemes. Big time. 7.5 quarters in and we are just bending far too much.Cornell@gqscholar
The rams held the rbs to 21 carries for 73 yards. Wentz was the guy they couldn’t bring downAxel Kopun@FV_Mylia_Lynn
McVay’s play calling needs improvement too.Richard Ramsey@Richard95549251
Lost composure (K.Young), awful specials teams gaffe (N.Scott), D at times played too soft a zone, lots of failures to wrap up when tackling. But plenty to be happy about: Kupp, reliable kicker, lots of pressure up front. Put this game in the rear view mirror.Rams24/7@Rams24_7
I’m going to choose to take a glass half approach after 2 weeks. A lot of the mistakes are correctable:
-ST (KO coverage, bad snap)
-QB/WR ball placement
-Offensive formation miscues
-New defensive coordinator/starters
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znModeratorIn 1 hour I will start watching the Rams game that will take about 3 hours, which will determine how I feel for the next 168 hours… #HornsUp #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/4MwFnjHMO1
— RAMS REPORT🗯 (@RamsNFLReport) September 19, 2021
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