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    in reply to: Rams tweets 6/13 thru 6/17 #130516
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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/17/rams-desean-jackson-offense-mind-boggling-scary/

    On NFL Network recently, [DeSean Jackson] said it’s going to be mind-boggling for defenses trying to slow down Los Angeles’ offense.

    “Really just having the playmaker skill ability with the other wide receivers, the other running backs, tight ends. With a quarterback like Matthew Stafford, it’s really mind-boggling for other defenses or defensive coordinators to be sitting back, like, ‘Man, how we going to stop these dudes?’ For me, I’ve been on some pretty good receiving corps, but Robert and Coop, in addition to Van and Tutu, it’s going to be scary,” he said on “NFL Total Access.”

    “For me, I just look at it as being in a position where I have an offensive-minded coach like Sean McVay who’s in-tune and who knows how to put his players in position to win, first-off is the biggest concern for a veteran receiver like myself,” Jackson said. “And just having that fit and being able to gel together and being in a similar offense, a similar system where I know a lot that what we did in Washington is switched up a little bit but the terminology is pretty much the same.”

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    in reply to: NFC west (from 6/11) #130510
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    in reply to: around the league (starting 6/6) #130508
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    in reply to: Rams tweets 6/13 thru 6/17 #130507
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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/16/rams-darious-williams-best-cornerbacks-nfl-rankings/

    Mark Schofield of Touchdown Wire knows all about [Darious] Williams and ranked him among the NFL’s best outside cornerbacks. He put Williams 10th, nine spots behind the top-ranked Ramsey.

    We turn now to the start of our second tandem of cornerbacks, with Darious Williams of the Los Angeles Rams. In his third season in the league Williams took a huge step forward in 2020, playing over 900 snaps and locking down one of the cornerback spots for Brandon Staley’s defense. He was impressive in coverage, allowing a completion of just 48.7% when targeted, and an opposing passer rating of a mere 55.4 when quarterbacks threw in his direction. His 11 pass breakups were a career-high mark.

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    How Rams’ supporting cast for Aaron Donald looks, sounds different

    Lindsey Thiry

    https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/42731/how-rams-supporting-cast-for-aaron-donald-looks-sounds-different

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — An almost eerie quiet swept over the Los Angeles Rams defensive line while they stretched before a recent voluntary practice session.

    The silence was broken when a player hollered, “Dang, I miss Brock, it’s quiet as hell!” defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day recalled.

    NFL roster turnover is inevitable, and the 2021 Rams defensive line is not immune. After he was selected 14th overall in 2012 and played nine seasons with the Rams, defensive lineman Michael Brockers was traded to the Detroit Lions in March in an effort to create salary cap space.

    Brockers’ departure means not only less noise, but a gaping hole along the front of the NFL’s defending top-ranked defense and marks the end of a seven-year run playing alongside three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald, who often praised Brockers’ efforts that helped but did not appear on the stat sheet.

    “It’s different for sure and definitely an adjustment,” Joseph-Day said about the group’s dynamic sans Brockers. “But in this business it’s kind of what’s expected.”

    The amount of turnover on the Rams’ defense has been significant since the unit led the NFL last season, allowing an average of 18 points per game.

    The Rams hired Raheem Morris as defensive coordinator to take over for Brandon Staley after he departed following one season to become the Chargers head coach. The Rams also lost their cornerbacks and linebackers coaches to promotions elsewhere, and saw starting cornerback Troy Hill, outside linebacker Samson Ebukam and safety John Johnson III depart in free agency.

    Fifth-year pro Morgan Fox, a rotation player on the defensive line who had six sacks last season, also departed in free agency, signing a two-year deal with the Carolina Panthers.

    “We have the right kind of guys in this building to be able to pick up the slack or pick up exactly where those guys left off,” said Joseph-Day, a sixth-round pick in 2018 who is entering his third season as starter. “I think that’s going to be the story of what’s going on here.”

    Donald, who attended a portion of the voluntary offseason workouts but was not made available to reporters, will now lead a group that includes Joseph-Day, A’Shawn Robinson and Greg Gaines.

    The Rams also added depth in the draft, selecting Bobby Brown III in the fourth round from Texas A&M and Earnest Brown IV in the fifth round from Northwestern.

    “There’s a lot for me to learn,” said Bobby Brown, who was the first defensive lineman drafted by the Rams since Gaines was selected in the fourth round in 2019. “I don’t think I’ve completely made the transition yet but also I would say it just shows me that I’m not a premier defensive lineman no more. I have to learn all over again and I have to be just as humble as I was pretty much my freshmen year again.”

    Gaines has played in 26 games the past two seasons and has recorded 31 tackles and two sacks.

    Robinson reported to the offseason program in the best shape of his career after dedicating himself a new diet and workout regimen. Listed at 330 pounds last season, Robinson says his goal is to play this season between 300 and 305 pounds.

    “I just wanted to be the best for these guys,” said Robinson, a second-round pick by the Lions in 2016. “I’m not going to go out here and slack and let any of these guys down.”

    A sixth-year pro, Robinson was signed to a two-year, $17 million free-agent contract during the 2020 offseason to take over for Brockers, who at the time agreed to terms in free agency with the Baltimore Ravens but ultimately returned to Los Angeles. after the deal fell through.

    Robinson spent the first half of last season sidelined due to unspecified health issues and played in eight games. Through organized team activities and mandatory minicamp, teammates noticed his readiness to step up.

    “He’s really locked in,” Joseph-Day said. “I think a lot of guys are locked in especially with the departure of Brock. A lot of guys are locked in, a lot of guys are ready to step up and that’s a huge, positive.”

    As for how quickly the group can come together, Robinson emphasized the importance of the offseason program, which wrapped up last week with a three-day mandatory minicamp that Donald did not attend (Rams coach Sean McVay indicated the two communicated and it was an excused absence) and Joseph-Day did not fully participate in.

    “That’s what OTAs is for, the foundation, you build the ground up,” Robinson said. “… Everyone has been seeing how everyone needs to do this, how everything comes together and putting the puzzle pieces together.”

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    from PFF, Defensive scheme analysis for all 32 NFL teams: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-scheme-analysis-32-nfl-teams-2021#LAR

    ARIZONA CARDINALS

    2020 Defensive Pass Efficiency Rank: 17
    2020 Defensive Rush Efficiency Rank: 16
    2020 Base Coverage: Cover 1
    2020 Third-Down Mentality: Blitz and play Cover 1

    Once upon a time, Vance Joseph was a zone-coverage fiend who liked to show many different zone coverages with a dash of man coverage mixed in. His results were commendable, too, as his Miami defense finished 18th in defensive efficiency in 2016, and his unit in Denver finished sixth in defensive efficiency over his two years there.

    The former Broncos head coach and current Cardinals defensive coordinator has since reversed course. Now he is going to blitz you and play man-to-man coverage behind it.

    Joseph called Cover 1 on early downs at the fifth-highest rate in the league last season, choosing to blitz at the fourth-highest rate. The problem was that they couldn’t quite get to the quarterback in those blitzing situations, as they managed a 22nd-ranked 38.4% pressure rate on those snaps.

    SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

    2020 Defensive Pass Efficiency Rank: 9
    2020 Defensive Rush Efficiency Rank: 5
    2020 Base Coverage: Cover 3 and quarters
    2020 Third-Down Mentality: Blitz and play Cover 1

    DeMeco Ryans takes over for Robert Saleh as the 49ers’ defensive coordinator for 2021. Ryans worked under Saleh, so we can expect the defense to stay relatively stable. The 49ers played one of the highest rate of quarters coverages on early downs to go along with basing out of Cover 3. They have a low blitz rate on early downs but then turn up the pressure on passing downs. San Francisco ranked 19th in early-down blitz rate and third on third down last year. Overall, the unit ranked in the top 10 on early downs and third downs in EPA allowed per play.

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

    2020 Defensive Pass Efficiency Rank: 19
    2020 Defensive Rush Efficiency Rank: 10
    2020 Base Coverage: Cover 3
    2020 Third-Down Mentality: Blitz and play Cover 1

    Under head coach Pete Carroll, the Seahawks will always be a Cover 3 team. They’ve never finished below fifth in Cover 3 usage rate in any season over the past five years. But offenses have seen this defense for a decade in some shape or form, so the Seahawks have had to find some changeups.

    On early downs, they ran Cover 3 at a rate that was 6.4 percentage points less in 2020 than in 2019, and they saw their biggest increase in Cover 2 rate. A lot of those Cover 3 snaps went to Cover 2, which was Seattle’s second-most-used coverage, surpassing Cover 1 for the first time in recent years. With safety Jamal Adams in the fold, the defense’s third-down blitz rate jumped by seven percentage points from 2019 to 2020.

    With that said, the Seahawks did not improve their efficiency in those situations, going from an already bad .257 EPA allowed per play in 2019 on third-down blitzes to an even worse .336 mark in 2020.

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    from PFF, Defensive scheme analysis for all 32 NFL teams: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-scheme-analysis-32-nfl-teams-2021#LAR

    LOS ANGELES RAMS

    2020 Defensive Pass Efficiency Rank: 1
    2020 Defensive Rush Efficiency Rank: 2
    2020 Base Coverage: Quarters
    2020 Third-Down Mentality: Blitz and play Cover 3

    Going from former defensive coordinator Brandon Staley to new defensive coordinator Raheem Morris is quite the scheme shock. It will be interesting to see if Morris keeps some of the new concepts Staley used. The “tite” front is not something we’ve seen from Morris in his stops around the NFL. Last year, Morris’ Falcons defense ran an “odd” or “bear” front, 3-4 looks, only 17% of the time.

    Where Morris deploys cornerback Jalen Ramsey will be interesting, as well. Staley moved the veteran around a bit in 2020, playing him at nickel when the situation called for it. Ramsey’s rate of snaps at outside cornerback dropped by six percentage points from 2019 to 2020. During Morris’ time with Atlanta, his defense was a static Cover 3 and Cover 1 unit, like what Ramsey played in Jacksonville when 84% of his snaps came on the outside in 2018. Ramsey played 145 snaps as a nickel or slot corner in 2018 and 2019 combined but 173 in 2020 alone.

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    Coach Sean McVay feeling super about Rams despite unanswered questions​

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2021-06-14/sean-mcvay-super-bowl-rams

    His team’s offseason program complete, Rams coach Sean McVay plans to vacation in New York, Greece and Monaco before training camp begins.

    “I’ll be able to live a little, enjoy myself — and then I’ll come back stressed and ready to roll,” McVay joked.

    When the Rams report to UC Irvine in late July, the pressure will be on McVay.

    The Rams ended the Jared Goff era by trading the quarterback — and two first-round draft picks — to the Detroit Lions for quarterback Matthew Stafford. General manager Les Snead gave Stafford the potential deep threat the team denied Goff last season by signing veteran receiver DeSean Jackson.

    Those additions, combined with players such as receivers Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp, and defensive stars Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, could make the Rams one of the favorites to contend for a berth in Super Bowl LVI, which will be played Feb. 13, 2022 in SoFi Stadium.

    McVay said he embraces expectations.

    “This job is about pressure day in and day out,” he said. “I think that’s what you want. If you start avoiding pressure, if you don’t like it, this is not for you.”

    The Rams have made the playoffs three times in four seasons under McVay. They lost in the NFC wild-card round in 2017, advanced to the Super Bowl in 2018, missed the postseason the next year and advanced to the divisional-round last season.

    McVay and Snead are banking that Stafford, a 12-year veteran, will provide the missing piece for another Super Bowl run.

    “He’s one of those guys that I think is a true igniter,” McVay said of Stafford. “He makes everybody around him better.

    “I feel like I’ve become a better coach in the few months that we’ve been able to spend together and we’re looking forward to do a lot of good things together.”

    Throughout offseason workouts, Rams players said they were embracing high expectations.

    “Last time we were picked to go to the Super Bowl, we went,” Woods said. “So, I think that’s a good thing. … We’re a loaded team. We have all the parts. We have all the pieces to get where we need to go.”

    Stafford, the receiving corps and the continuing emergence of second-year running back Cam Akers are reason for optimism about the offense. But the line is in flux after the departure of coach Aaron Kromer and center Austin Blythe. Kevin Carberry replaced Kromer. Austin Corbett could move from guard to center to replace Blythe. Left tackle Andrew Whitworth will turn 40 during the season.

    Donald and Ramsey anchor a defense now under the direction of coordinator Raheem Morris, who replaced Brandon Staley. Can lineman A’Shawn Robinson fill the void left the departure of Michael Brockers? Who steps up to replace the talent and leadership of safety John Johnson, now earning millions from the Cleveland Browns?

    Those are just a few of the questions that might be answered during training camp when the Rams begin preparing for their Sept. 12 opener against the Chicago Bears.

    McVay will continue to hold out starters from preseason games. The Rams might add depth to the roster this summer in preparation for joint practices with the Dallas Cowboys and Las Vegas Raiders, and preseason games against the Chargers, Raiders and Denver Broncos.

    Whitworth, a 15-year veteran, said big expectations are “a good thing” for a team accustomed to winning. Whitworth pointed to last season’s wild-card playoff victory over the Seattle Seahawks as a “culture-type win.”

    “We didn’t go into that game with any expectation other than win, and it really didn’t matter whether it was the playoffs or the next game on the schedule,” he said. “And I think that’s where you really started to see a culture and franchise that just expects to win.

    “And, hopefully, we can keep that mentality and that culture strong.”

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    ==

    link above.

    Harris admitted playing inline tight end is a different animal than lining up outside as a receiver.

    “It’s going good. I’m learning a lot. A lot of football – more football than I could’ve imagined I could learn,” Harris said. “So it’s pretty cool being in that room, getting comfortable in a three-point stance and whatnot. Being comfortable next to the O-line in that world. It’s a whole different world in there, but I’m taking it day by day and I’m learning a lot and I feel like I’m picking it up pretty quickly.”

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    merlin

    They drafted 4 of the biggest freaks in the class

    Tutu, Harris, Rochell, and B Brown were all workout freaks tbh. There was a clear desire to bring in speed.

    But they can also play. This is no Jeff Fisher focus on athleticism. Tutu plays big and can run routes unlike Tavon when we took him. Harris is a freak of a gunner and also represents a non-diva elite receiving talent. Rochell has been roasted it seems so far but that’s ok he’s a seriously gifted DB who is in a good coaching pipeline now. And B Brown is a 20 year old powerhouse who can really move for his size and will help vs the zone run games as well as team tackling and getting to the ball.

    We know that statistically not all these guys are gonna work out. But it’s still exciting to see a group that might be special if they all work hard and succeed.

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    in reply to: at 141, Jacob Harris TE #130481
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    i just wonder what it is about the tight end position

    I know what you mean, why (as Rodrigue says) are lower round TEs more likely to succeed than other positions picked low?

    Here’s another thing. Earlier I said, what does Harris playing with the 1s at this stage say about Hopkins? But then Rodrigue kind of answers that. She says: Where young players often seem to develop in increments almost too minimal for the untrained eye to track, Harris has seemed to chew off large chunks of the learning curve. In fact, it seems Harris has become a special project player for both tight ends coach Wes Phillips — with whom Harris is constantly in orbit receiving instruction — and head coach Sean McVay, who has taken extra time with the rookie during drills on more than one occasion.

    That doesn’t tell us about Hopkins, but maybe they see enough in Harris that they are trying to build in some “role player” special package stuff for him as a rookie.

    One more thing to remember about Harris. Snead said he was their highest rated special teams coverage guy in this draft.Rodrigue has written about this: “they especially hammered in on special teams coverage guys in tight end/receiver Jacob Harris (perhaps the top-rated special teams player in the draft), running back Jake Funk and receiver Ben Skowronek.”

    I will seize the obvious and say–intriguing pick.

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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/14/rams-draft-ben-skowronek-trent-green-uncle/

    Ben Skowronek[‘s] uncle is former Rams quarterback Trent Green, and someone Skowronek has looked up to throughout his life. In a recent interview with team reporter Sarina Morales, Skowronek discussed his relationship with Green and how the ex-NFL quarterback helped him become obsessed with football.

    “Throughout this process, just talking to him, he’s given me advice since I was a kid and all that, so I’ve looked up to him,” he said. “I remember going to Rams games as a kid and after I got drafted, my family put up a picture from one of the games we went to and I was like, ‘Wow, that kid really grew up to be drafted by the Rams.’ So it was kind of surreal and full circle. He’s been great for me, just being able to bounce stuff off him. I think he’s the reason I fell in love with the game of football. Being able to go to these NFL games, going on the field after the games, talking to the players. I remember when he was with the Chiefs, after a game, I was just sitting on the curb talking to Dante Hall. It’s crazy stuff. Or Tony Gonzalez. Because of him, I really just became obsessed with the game of football.”

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    On Bobby Brown III and Robert Rochell (I’ll start here with Brown linked), it was interesting to get a feel for the team-building model. One of the Rams’ greatest assets is that they have elite players in Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey (duh), but beyond the on-field, fronting

    the draft capital (Ramsey) and drafting/paying Donald did force the team-build strategy into turning middle-round picks into necessary contributors – but, because you have a Donald and a Ramsey, you only have to draft certain complementary traits to them.

    In Brown, the Rams see a player whose ceiling is as a starter, yet whose floor can still be as a key role-player based on athleticism alone.

    The likelihood of “successfully” hitting on a middle-round player increases if you’re specifically and accurately identifying just a few traits, and less-so looking for a “complete” player or a dart-throw who might be a luxury pick (I’m just talking about these specific 3 guys as

    we know Rams certainly have a history with luxury picks). It seems obvious, sure, but it also removes certain inefficiencies in the process itself, from the scouting/draft portions of the year to the actual player-development part. I use the word “ecosystem” because of how each

    piece interconnects. For Brown, they followed a similar pattern/sought similar traits as SJD, because of how well he and Donald complement each other schematically. Because Donald is on the roster, Brown won’t ultimately be asked to play outside of those maximized traits, which

    could hinder or even ruin long-term development. Instead, he may be asked to do the things that complement Donald, where the traits that got him drafted are maximized. That speeds up his window to getting on the field, which best-case means he’s a cheaper starter, for longer, and

    that means they can continue to afford the big Donald contract. If players get more starting experience earlier, may improve terms of second contract (in Rams case, comp picks). Similarly, Ramsey kept coming up in the process of evaluating Rochell.

    Now, I’m not saying this works every time or with every pick, and perhaps I’m overthinking the methodology here (though I don’t think I am). These guys could be great players all on their own. But specifically with these mid-to-later round guys, the Rams HAVE to make it less of

    the dart-throw that it usually is because, well, their ecosystem depends on it (and on winning, but that’s a whole other conversation). Have they found the formula to do that? We’ll see in 2-4 years. But to count on star players as assets in draft process is fascinating.

    When it came to the Jacob Harris interviews, was interesting to feel how outdated some of my own reporting for previous pieces already was – or at least, that there is a much better way to specify the language of certain facets of the evaluation process.

    “The Rams don’t care about the 40” is a sexy tagline but in both Rochell and Harris’ evaluation, of course it was a relevant metric. They haven’t thrown it out as a piece of the evaluation – but they have re-assessed its value as a variable in cooperation w/other variables, and

    that is an important differentiation. Ex.: Temme pulls speed WITH weight and six separately-gathered times. GPS data is the more relevant “speed” measurable in most cases. Bailey, in compiling Harris’ report, of course found the 40-times relevant – but as a pairing WITH other

    variables such as explosiveness metrics. And certainly that’s not unique to the Rams, but in the larger scope of their team-building strategy especially with later-day picks, I think it’s fascinating. Thanks for indulging me – another reminder that there’s always stuff to learn.

    (I’ll add – I picked just these three guys for a reason, in part because holy sh*t there is so much more to it than this, so many things can screw it all up and luxury picks/bad picks do happen all the time. but specifically, this was the study. thanks for coming to my ted talk.)

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    RAMZILLA@elitster
    Listening to Flying Coach w Peter Schrager/Coach McVay it’s been great hearing the behind the scenes w Zac Taylor, Matt LaFleur. Sounds like LaFleur could disagree w McVay keep him grounded/humble/identify blind spots. Who on the Rams coaching staff is doing that now?

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    interesting

    Did you read Rodrigue on drafting Bobby Brown? It’s here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-117-bobby-brown/#post-130469

    If he is even half of what they claim he is, what a score.

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    Inside Rams’ scouting of DT Bobby Brown III, from laugh-out-loud domination on tape to long-term fit

    Jourdan Rodrigue

    https://theathletic.com/2620337/2021/06/01/inside-rams-scouting-of-dt-bobby-brown-iii-from-laugh-out-loud-domination-on-tape-to-long-term-fit/?source=emp_shared_article

    The third day of the draft is usually a big dart-throwing project, as teams try to add players who may — or may not — one day be contributors on their roster. But for the Rams, establishing a rate of success when picking these later-round prospects — and then developing them from fourth-rounder or later to role-player in the lineup — is actually crucial to their team-building model. How do they identify these prospects — and how do they match their data and analytics team’s findings with what their scouts are watching on film and experiencing when interacting with players in person?

    In this three-part series, The Athletic goes behind the scenes of the Rams’ process, focusing on their first three draft picks of Day 3: Defensive tackle Bobby Brown III, cornerback Robert Rochell and tight end Jacob Harris.

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Rams senior personnel executive Brian Xanders was just a few plays into his study of then-Texas A&M defensive tackle Bobby Brown III’s film when he started chuckling. Brown was, quite literally, everywhere — and he was doing some damage, too.

    “He played nose tackle, five-technique and three-technique,” Xanders said. “Literally all three of our defensive line positions, he’s played them all.”

    Xanders saw Brown hit a guard so hard that his legs buckled and split out from under him. He saw Brown block a couple of kicks on special teams. And then he got to the offensive cut-ups — yes, you read that right.

    “And then they also put him on offense as a goal-line fullback,” laughed Xanders. “So there’s plays of him running right through the defensive line, just crushing them.”

    Xanders began work on what is called a “cross check” on Brown in February as a part of the Rams’ typical process. First, Brown had been studied for several months throughout 2020 by area scout Steve Kazor, and then Kazor’s reports on Brown landed on Xanders’ desk. Scouts and personnel people often intersect on their evaluations of prospects so that a variety of opinions and observations about that prospect can come to light, and for the Rams, area scouts are hugely important in setting the first “draft boards” and then providing updates and input as cross-checkers weigh in.

    The Rams had not caught a ton of additional buzz on Brown via external boards through the pre-draft process in the spring (such as media draft boards, top-50 or top-100 lists or even in standard press clippings), but because Kazor had done a good deal of work on Brown by the time his report got to Xanders’ desk, Xanders was intrigued by Brown’s measurables and Kazor’s notes on his power within certain plays and alignments. He also had a light afternoon — so he decided to watch all of the defensive tackle’s snaps in one sitting.

    “I had a lot of time that day, so I loaded up his entire career — the pass-rush, and then the run defense,” he said. “He was a fun eval.”

    Three things stuck out to Xanders about Brown: His frame (6-foot-4, 325 pounds with a seven-foot wingspan), the torque and anchor with which he maneuvered and held his gaps (“they tried to double-team him and they’d just stand on the line of scrimmage, they got no movement,” Xanders said), his toughness off of blocks (“he destroyed whole blocking schemes”) and of course, his versatility.

    “Some of the big splash plays were impressive, because he’s going through double-teams and knocking the guard into the backfield, and then the tight end falls down and then he falls into the running back,” Xanders said. “There were just some really powerful plays that stood out. And I’m like, ‘This guy … this guy could be a scheme fit in all three (interior defensive line) positions — in a massive body. He was an interesting eval.”

    By the time a team gets to the fourth round of the draft, they know they won’t always find a “complete” player, and so smart teams match specific traits of prospects to those needed within their positional rotations — like a small puzzle piece slotting into a much larger image. After the 2020 college football season was derailed by COVID-19, teams also knew that projecting players’ development into their respective systems would be harder than ever.

    Especially starting in the fourth round this draft, the Rams focused on prospects with hyper-athletic traits and measurables, then tried to match those with the player’s frame and their understanding of how his frame will mature, plus data points within either the on-field testing process, their own person-to-person intel, and/or the medical evaluation process that backed up what they saw on tape. The idea was to take care of the things “you can’t coach” (physical gifts), even if they were more raw than the typical prospect in a “normal” year, and then rely on pairing those players with assistants such as (in Brown’s case) defensive line coach Eric Henderson to help turn the prospect into a more “complete” player — or even simply into an important role-player.

    In a fourth-round defensive lineman, for example, the Rams of course weren’t looking for a Day 1 starter — but they were looking for long arms/wide shoulders and wingspan, plus moldable power and torque that projects well into their gap-and-a-half defensive scheme. In Brown — similarly to their evaluation of Sebastian Joseph-Day, who they previously drafted in the sixth round — they see a player whose ceiling is as a starter, yet whose floor can still be as a key role-player based on athleticism alone, and whose flashes of versatility were an added bonus in their grading of him.

    The Rams began their intel process on other teams’ draft boards as the third round drew to a close on Friday night, and cross-referenced them with their own. There was an emphasis on adding more picks beginning on Day 3, multiple sources told The Athletic at the time, but they also knew that if Brown fell to them at No. 117 (obtained via previous trade with San Francisco), he was a prospect for whom they would stay at the pick point and find another place to trade back.

    Early Saturday morning, before the final day of the draft began, Rams senior personnel advisor Taylor Morton and his staff called their sources at Texas A&M and elsewhere to double check that there weren’t any red flags on Brown, because despite his tape and strong athletic traits he had still fallen out of the second day of the draft.

    “(General manager Les Snead) is the type where he’s going to dot every ‘I’ and cross every ‘T’,” Morton said. “He’s so thorough and demands us to be so thorough. So first thing that morning, I’m calling around to people I know … triple checking our sources and even digging for more sources, and just confirming all of the data that we’ve collected over all these months. And everybody gave their thumbs up on Bobby Brown.”

    Xanders and Morton say they don’t know why he made it to them at that pick point (Xanders speculated that some teams may have been leery of his relatively limited experience, with just 18 starts in his collegiate career).

    “It’s the same thing, kind of, that happened with (Joseph-Day),” said Morton. “How did we get him in the sixth round? … To get Bobby Brown in the fourth round, people ask ‘why’ because (of his physical traits) and because, when he wants to, he can dominate the line of scrimmage. We’re hoping that he can develop.”

    Xanders and Henderson — who were working remotely with Snead in his garage and a small group of staff at the Rams’ draft house in Malibu, Calif. — began texting Snead as their pick drew closer, continuing to pitch Brown.

    “We were texting back and forth, I was texting Coach Henny, it was a fun day,” said Xanders. “You just hope for the best — like, ‘If we take him, it’s our job to help him fit in our environment and culture. It’s his job to create his own role.’ Just like every other rookie. Nothing is handed to anybody in this league – it’s a meritocracy, the NFL. Everything is earned, and everything is created by that player creating their own opportunities.”

    Brown is just 20 years old — launched into Los Angeles and the world of the NFL before he can even legally crack a beer to celebrate it. Xanders said the Rams’ defensive staff saw a lack of “wear-and-tear” on Brown as a bonus — not just for health reasons, but also because they believe it makes him more malleable as a prospect (in just a year or two, he’ll have taken less practice reps outside of their system than within it).

    Having Brown, who will only be turning 24 by the time his second contract comes up, learn about the NFL in a position room with three-time Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald was also one of the reasons the staff felt comfortable drafting him despite his young age.

    “I think that’s the No. 1 asset for Bobby Brown, and I said it in our meetings,” Morton said. “He’s got all this talent, and then you put him in the room with professional, grown men like Aaron Donald. There’s peer pressure there. Usually, those kind of guys, they’re going to rise to the occasion — to that peer pressure. And (Brown) is an intelligent person. So when he gets in the room with (Donald), he knows that now he’s in a business. He’s not in college anymore — he’s in a business with grown men … it’ll definitely get him going in the right direction.”

    Another reason was Henderson, whose voice was prominent in the discussion on Brown and who Brown said stayed in touch with him throughout the pre-draft process.

    “With all the hard work and how tough (Henderson) is on all players,” said Xanders, “how great a coach he is with enforcing accountability and coachability whether it’s Aaron Donald or all the way down to the practice squad defensive linemen … we felt that adding (Brown) in there, there’s nowhere to go but up.”

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    Me thinks, contrary to what they may say publicly to us, the @packers front office rrrreeeaaallllyyyy doesn’t “want” to do everything they can do have Rodgers come back

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    I see it differently, why wouldn’t they want the reigning MVP, who took them to back to back Championship games and is under contract for 3 years to come back?

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    Bc they don’t care for the person anymore

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    Inside Rams’ scouting of Jacob Harris: From ‘unicorn’ measurables to an ‘analytics pick’ — how he’ll be molded

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    https://theathletic.com/2648671/2021/06/14/inside-rams-scouting-of-jacob-harris-from-unicorn-measurables-to-an-analytics-pick-how-hell-be-molded/?source=emp_shared_article

    The third day of the draft is usually a big dart-throwing project, as teams try to add players who may — or may not — one day be contributors on their roster. But for the Rams, establishing a rate of success when picking these later-round prospects — and then developing them from fourth-rounder or later to role-player in the lineup — is crucial to their team-building model. How do they identify these prospects — and how do they match their data and analytics team’s findings with what their scouts are watching on film and experiencing when interacting with players in person?

    In this three-part series, The Athletic goes behind the scenes of the Rams’ process, focusing on their first three draft picks of Day 3: Defensive tackle Bobby Brown III, cornerback Robert Rochell and tight end Jacob Harris.

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Two years ago, Rams’ Southeastern scout Michael Pierce was on a routine visit to the University of Central Florida and had positioned himself near the corner of the end zone as the Knights worked through their red zone period.

    Then-redshirt junior receiver Jacob Harris ran a fade, and the quarterback lofted up a pass — perhaps too high, it first appeared. But suddenly, Harris’ cleats were nearly even with Pierce’s head. He pulled down the catch inbounds, and Pierce tracked him closely from that day until the Rams drafted him at No. 141 in April.

    “I’m like, ‘Man, this guy is jumping — his feet are at my head!” Pierce said. “That was a first exposure. Of course, seeing his long frame and seeing him move — that jumped out early. But (that play) was my first exposure.

    “Even (the year before he declared for the draft), I can remember thinking, ‘I would love to have this guy on our team.’”

    After he was drafted, Harris was described by a source to The Athletic as a “total analytics pick,” a raw prospect offensively who would certainly make the 53-man roster because, outside of his status as a fourth-rounder, he would be expected to activate even to the game day roster each week as a key special-teams contributor. Harris, who is 6-foot-5 and about 215 pounds, technically has just about one full year of relevant live offensive snaps under his belt but was special-teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis’ favorite player in the draft because of his vigor in that phase.

    But between then and the Rams’ conclusion of minicamp last week, something notable has been unfolding: Where young players often seem to develop in increments almost too minimal for the untrained eye to track, Harris has seemed to chew off large chunks of the learning curve. In fact, it seems Harris has become a “special project” player for both tight ends coach Wes Phillips — with whom Harris is constantly in orbit receiving instruction — and head coach Sean McVay, who has taken extra time with the rookie during drills on more than one occasion. With veteran No. 1 tight end Tyler Higbee not practicing, McVay also placed Harris into the first-team reps in seven-on-sevens through the entirety of minicamp after building his workload in OTAs the two weeks prior. Seven-on-sevens are run at nearly full speed and built to test mental dexterity in a semi-live situation and stress the mind at a faster rate. To see a rookie not only jump over more veteran players on the roster for those reps — and then thrive in them — is rare air, even without the pads on yet.

    “I think he’s just earned it,” said McVay of Harris’ increased role over a rapid period. “I think he’s a guy that has a tremendous amount of upside. Wes Phillips has done a really nice job of getting him up to speed. His natural range, catch radius, body control for a player of his size is pretty rare. I think you guys can see — for NFL guys to stand out the way that he has done, in some of these limited settings, in shorts and in helmets, he’s definitely made a positive impression.”

    McVay added that he plans to align Harris in a variety of positions along the line of scrimmage, which means he’ll be in less of the “traditional” tight end role and more of a mismatch option specifically in the passing game. That’s also what Pierce saw in Harris throughout his two years of scouting him.

    “If you think that he can be a tight end — which, I think he can be a tight end — then you say, ‘Let him develop, and he’ll win a spot at tight end because he’s so athletic, so fast, he can jump so high and he has that determination that you want out of the position,’” Pierce said. “But then you think, ‘OK, he can be a receiver’ because he’s got that top-shelf speed, he can really get to the top of coverage, he can jump and attack the ball — at the same time, he has some development (needed) … he’s an interesting one.

    “I know everyone will (look at) the position and say, ‘What is he?’ but we’ll figure that out.”

    In fact, the Rams’ analysts believe that by throwing him in the tight ends room (yet still aligning him virtually everywhere in the passing game) instead of keeping him at strictly wide receiver, Harris’ probability of contributing earlier in his career increases.

    “I have done some studies over the past few years, looking at positions where, in those later rounds, what is going to give you the most success?” said Sarah Bailey, who is a manager in the Rams’ football analytics department. “And tight end is one of those positions where the athlete has more probability of actually making it.

    “I look at probability of playing, and when he switched his position from wideout to tight end, he actually increased his probability of playing by almost 20 percent. From my perspective, that was a huge ‘Whoa.’ Take it with a grain of salt — you’re still that (fourth-rounder) — but to have that big of an increase, and then you look at his play style and his body type and he could actually fit that mold, too, it doesn’t seem like it might just be an outlier.”

    The Rams’ data piles for speed testing (including within its various combinations that match speed with weight, speed with wingspan, etc.) are color-coded. Harris’ data was “all blue,” which means his measurables ranked in the top 10 percent of their overall data pool.

    “(Our system) puts him into a percentile of where current pro players are,” Bailey said. “So that’s the top of the percentile … What really stood out was not only his long speed, but his short speed … his three-cone immediately and some of his jumping.”

    The Rams’ own measurement systems and evaluation programming aren’t public information (for example, while the public has access to things like 40-times and testing numbers filed at pro days or the NFL combine, the Rams also weigh those against privately-obtained measurables such as GPS tracking data, long-term body composition projections and more), but Harris’ public testing numbers also resulted in a RAS (Relative Athletic Score) of 9.88 out of a possible 10.0 as a receiver — No. 31 out of 2,517 receivers publicly tested since 1987. When his position is switched to tight end in the scoring system, Harris’ speed composite is 9.71, his explosiveness composite is 9.945 and his agility composite is 8.84 — all categorized as either “great” or “elite” via the RAS system.

    For reference, No. 4 overall pick Kyle Pitts — lauded as one of the best tight end and overall receiving prospects in a draft class in years — had a RAS of 9.66. Pitts, of course, has the added polish of experience and acumen specifically as a pass catcher, while Harris is considered “moldable” because he has only a few years of football experience after switching over from soccer in college.

    Harris’ size composite, however, ranks well-under average for the tight end position (“poor” per RAS). But this is where the Rams will try to blend data with coaching and development — because even though Harris is undersized for a tight end, by placing him in that position group they believe they are increasing his contribution probability as long as they are also able to scheme him in accordance with his athletic traits as a receiver. And, it seems, they are less concerned with “traditional” tight end traits (such as blocking) than they are impressed with Harris’ measurables as they translate into specifically the passing game and his special-teams ability.

    “We can be creative with Jacob,” Pierce said. “If you put him at tight end, you could say he’s one of the most athletic tight ends you would look at coming out. He’s as athletic as Pitts if you look at him at tight end. And then at wide receiver, you see maybe one of the most dynamic deep-ball threats as well. My emphasis (in presenting Harris as a prospect) was, ‘He’s moldable.’”

    “You say these guys, you have ‘high ceilings and low floors,’” Bailey added, “but he doesn’t have a low floor. His ceiling is high enough to compensate for the risk that you take. … He had the right attributes at that pick. You’re not getting a second-round guy where you’re like, ‘he’s for sure a tight end, he’s for sure this (or that).’ You’re a (fourth-round) guy, you have a really good ceiling.”

    Bailey and Pierce also alluded to Harris’ above-average scoring in mental tests and personality evaluations. Pierce said that throughout the evaluation process, Harris was a prospect who, if a coach or scout reached out wanting to have a conversation, he’d call them immediately.

    “He’s mature, he has it figured out. He has a why, he’s a genuine person,” Pierce said. “You see all of those things (and) hear all of those things. You get a feel for it when you speak to him. It just really checks the box … (Reports on) him in school, with coaches and all of the staff, it checks off when you talk to him as well. He was an easy interview.”

    Harris will still have a long developmental journey ahead and especially so when the pads finally go on in training camp and the real work begins. But Pierce has been scouting and evaluating players for the Rams for over six years, and from that first red zone play over two years ago until the Rams sent in the draft card at about 10:44 a.m. on that Saturday, he has had a feeling in his gut about Harris and his potential.

    “You study thousands of players, and you look back 10 years from now and you automatically know those guys,” Pierce said. “In essence, sometimes I call them ‘unicorns.’”

    Said Bailey, “I have (drawn) stars on my notes, like, ‘This is the guy you want to bet on.’ It’s really been, the last two years, (about) emphasizing: ‘Hey, if you’re gonna bet on a guy, bet on an athlete.’

    “This is what we have with this guy. We have an athlete.”

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