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znModeratorRams notes: After three on the road, team welcomes return to the Dome
• By Joe Lyons
After three eventful weeks on the road, the Rams return to the Edward Jones Dome to take on the Denver Broncos in their Salute to Service game at noon Sunday.
“This young team has learned how to travel, but you can’t beat playing at home,’’ Rams coach Jeff Fisher said.
In recent weeks, the Rams fell 34-7 to the Chiefs in Kansas City, pulled out a 13-10 road victory over San Francisco and dropped a 31-14 decision in Arizona to the Cardinals. Next up is last year’s Super Bowl runner-up, Denver, which is 7-2 and led by five-time league MVP Peyton Manning.
“People referred to (our schedule) as the gauntlet,’’ said Fisher, who has decided to go with veteran Shaun Hill at quarterback Sunday. “You know every week’s a challenge (and) this week’s obviously one of the biggest of the year from a matchup standpoint for us.’’
When asked about Manning’s special qualities, Fisher mentioned the veteran quarterback’s “tremendous respect for everyone associated with the game.’’
Fisher continued: “When Sam (Bradford) went down, I got a text from Peyton, making sure that I told Sam he was thinking about him, wished him luck. That’s the kind of person he is.’’
While the Rams (3-6) return home, Sunday will mark the third straight road game for the Broncos, who lost 43-21 at New England on Nov. 2 before rallying to blow out the Raiders 41-17 last Sunday.
“I think playing on the road is always taxing,’’ Denver coach John Fox said. “It’s eight (home) and eight (road); we know that much and how they clump them is up to the schedule makers. We were aware of it and it’ll be another challenge (Sunday).’’
INJURY REPORT
Cornerback Marcus Roberson, who suffered an ankle injury in the Rams’ road victory over San Francisco two weeks ago, has been ruled out of Sunday’s game.
Others sitting out Friday’s workout were linebacker Daren Bates (groin), defensive back Lamarcus Joyner (groin), wide receiver Damian Williams (hamstring) and defensive tackle Alex Carrington (quadriceps). Carrington is listed as questionable for Sunday while the rest are doubtful. Linebacker Will Herring (foot) was limited in practice Friday and is probable.
Also listed probable are starting middle linebacker James Laurinaitis (foot) and starting defensive end William Hayes (fibula). Both were full participants in Friday’s workout.
With starting running back Ronnie Hillman out with a foot injury, the Broncos’ Montee Ball could see some action Sunday in front of the hometown fans. Ball, who starred at Timberland High in Wentzville, has missed the last five games with a groin injury but has practiced this week and is listed as probable.
Hillman leads the Broncos with 378 rushing yards and has scored four touchdowns. Last week, second-year back C.J. Anderson enjoyed a career day when he rushed for 90 yards and added 73 receiving yards. It was his thrilling 51-yard catch and run for a touchdown just before halftime that helped the Broncos erase a 10-6 deficit and go on to a rout of the Raiders.
Ball, Denver’s second-round draft pick in 2013, ran for 559 yards with four touchdowns as a rookie. This season, he started three of the first four games, rushing for 172 yards and a touchdown with nine receptions for 62 yards.
Tight end Virgil Green (knee) did not practice and is doubtful for Sunday. The rest of the players on the Denver injury report — tackle Ryan Clady (groin), tackle Paul Cornick (shoulder), guard Orlando Franklin (knee), safety Quinton Carter (knee), linebacker Steven Johnson (ankle) and running back Juwan Thompson (knee) — practiced Friday and are probable.
BIG FINE FOR KENDRICKS
In the third quarter of last Sunday’s loss in Arizona, Rams tight end Lance Kendricks was called for an illegal blindside block on Cardinals safety Tony Jefferson that helped Jared Cook take an Austin Davis pass 41 yards to the Arizona 4-yard line.
The 15-yard call pushed the ball back to the Arizona 35. The Rams, who led 14-10 at the time, were unable to add any points as the Cardinals rallied with 21 fourth-quarter points for the win.
On Friday, the NFL hit Kendricks with a fine of $22,050, the minimum amount for an illegal blindside hit. The fine is a reflection of the NFL’s emphasis on player safety.
RAM-BLINGS
The Rams have nominated Fisher for the fourth annual Salute to Service award presented by USAA, the NFL’s official Military Appreciation Sponsor. The winner will be announced during the NFL Honors award show the night before the Super Bowl. Last year’s winner was Baltimore head coach John Harbaugh.
• Hall of Fame defensive back Aeneas Williams will receive his Hall of Fame Ring of Excellence on Sunday in Arizona when the Cardinals take on the Detroit Lions. Williams was drafted by the Cardinals in the third round of the 1991 draft but played the final four seasons of his standout career with the Rams.
• After Friday’s practice, Fisher confirmed that defensive end Chris Long would not be activated. Long suffered an ankle injury that required surgery in the season opener and has been on the injured reserve/designated to return list.
“He’s only practiced two days,’’ the coach said.
znModeratorThe last campaign ad ever
by Mark Fiorew
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/07/1342409/-Cartoon-The-last-campaign-ad-ever?detail=email#
Even before the big loss for the Democrats, we had all lost. The money pouring into politics from Super PACs and shady political “nonprofit” organizations was stealing Democracy from you and me. Financial contributions from individual voters is being eclipsed by the big bucks pouring in from far fewer big-money sources.
As the most expensive midterm election in history, dark money from shadowy sources is also climbing. When nearly a billion dollars poured in from pop-up 501(c)4s and Super PACs, the advertising and attacks got meaner and more repellant. No wonder people feel like checking out from the whole process. (Don’t take my word for it, ask any random person on the street what they think of politics.)
With fewer voters and more money pumped into the election, it’s not too surprising that that some dinosaur politicians are resurgent. Why not take it to the extreme and just get rid of the voters thanks to the Last Campaign Ad Ever? Seems like something the Brothers Koch could get behind! Take a deeper dive into the links behind this cartoon here and be sure to like, comment and share!
znModeratorThanks for the update and hope all works out well.
In fact be sure to follow up!
I got that you were being mostly tongue in cheek btw.
But yeah…jesuit prep school…I got stories too….
November 14, 2014 at 5:23 pm in reply to: Rams, who is out who is recovering, including Laurinaitis & Long #11835
znModeratorINJURY REPORT
Cornerback Marcus Roberson, who suffered an ankle injury in the Rams’ road victory over San Francisco two weeks ago, has been ruled out of Sunday’s game.
Others sitting out Friday’s workout were linebacker Daren Bates (groin), defensive back Lamarcus Joyner (groin), wide receiver Damian Williams (hamstring) and defensive tackle Alex Carrington (quadriceps). Carrington is listed as questionable for Sunday while the rest are doubtful. Linebacker Will Herring (foot) was limited in practice Friday and is probable.
Also listed probable are starting middle linebacker James Laurinaitis (foot) and starting defensive end William Hayes (fibula). Both were full participants in Friday’s workout.
With starting running back Ronnie Hillman out with a foot injury, the Broncos’ Montee Ball could see some action Sunday in front of the hometown fans. Ball, who starred at Timberland High in Wentzville, has missed the last five games with a groin injury but has practiced this week and is listed probable for Sunday.
Hillman leads the Broncos with 378 rushing yards and has scored four touchdowns. Last week, second-year back C.J. Anderson enjoyed a career day when he rushed for 90 yards and added 73 receiving yards. It was his thrilling 51-yard catch and run for a touchdown late in the first half that helped the Broncos erase a 10-6 deficit and go on to a 41-17 rout of the Raiders in Oakland.
Ball, the team’s second-round draft pick in 2013, ran for 559 yards with four touchdowns as a rookie. This season, he started three of the first four games, rushing for 172 yards and a touchdown with nine receptions for 62 yards.
Tight end Virgil Green (knee) did not practice and is doubtful for Sunday. The rest of the players on the Denver injury report _ tackle Ryan Clady (groin), tackle Paul Cornick (shoulder), guard Orlando Franklin (knee), safety Quinton Carter (knee), linebacker Steven Johnson (ankle) and running back Juwan Thompson (knee) _ practiced on Friday and are probable for Sunday.
znModeratorRams report: Team works outdoors on Friday, ready for Broncos’ challenge
• By Joe Lyons
After two days indoors, the Rams wrapped up their practice schedule with an outdoor workout at Rams Park on Friday.
The Rams (3-6) will take on the Denver Broncos (7-2) Sunday at noon at the Edward Jones Dome.
“It’s clearly better for your legs to get on the grass. Three days indoors can take its toll over a period of time,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher explained. “We had a great practice. It wasn’t too windy, so we could throw the ball.
“They’re excited, like they are every Friday. We had a good week of practice and we’re excited to play. Understand that we have a big challenge on our hands, but they go into every game thinking we have a chance to win it.”
znModeratorBrian Schottenheimer points to turnovers leading to QB change
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — If it wasn’t already clear why the St. Louis Rams decided to go back to veteran Shaun Hill at quarterback this week, offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer offered further explanation this week.
Simply put, Austin Davis’ propensity for turnovers, not just the sheer volume but the way in which they seemed to turn into immediate points was the driving force behind the decision.
“Austin has played really well for the most part,” Schottenheimer said. “I think the big thing for us was the turnovers. It’s hard to win in this league when you’re turning the football over. We brought Shaun here to be the backup. Austin kind of kept the job because he was playing so well, but now that Austin’s struggling a little bit we just feel like Shaun’s a guy that’s played. Obviously, has the experience. He’s been in this situation before and will go out there do some things and give us just some energy and things like that.”
More than energy, the Rams hope that Hill can cut down on the type of crushing mistakes that have dotted Davis’ time as the starter. In his eight starts and nine games, Davis threw four interceptions and coughed up two fumbles that were returned for touchdowns. Five of those six returns for touchdown have come in the fourth quarter.
Considering the Rams’ knack for starting fast and finishing slow, they can’t afford those types of costly giveaways with the game on the line. With Hill back in the mix, the Rams won’t ask him to take over games and throw it all over the field. Instead, they’ll hope that Hill can be the steady veteran hand they signed him to be and hoped he would be when he initially replaced Sam Bradford.
After a couple of days of watching Hill get back to work in practice, Schottenheimer said he doesn’t expect there to be much rust to knock off.
“He looked really good out here,” Schottenheimer said. “He’s been preparing. He’s a pro. He’s been in this role before. We were teasing a little bit that he looked a little out of shape. Maybe had too many snacks over the last couple weeks, but he’s looked really pretty good, done a nice job. Ball’s coming out of his hand well. Making good, clean decisions. I don’t see the rust.”
znModeratorfrom off the net
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Hill actually is quite mobile, he just doesn’t run around when its not necessary. I saw someone mention he isn’t much taller than Davis. Well, he IS 6’3, so I would say that is a dramatic difference, and simply from an experience standpoint, figures not to be as rattled when facing the heavy doses of blitzing opponents have been deploying against Davis. Being “mobile” does not mean running around. For all his athleticism (scrambling “ability”), Davis ran himself into more sacks than he would have got by simply staying in the pocket and getting the ball out.
Hill is not “the answer” to all the QB woes, but he does provide a change of pace, and will be less likely to make the crucial turnovers that has plagued Davis. And when there are plays to be made (when receivers get behind the secondary), I have little doubt Hill will manage to get them the ball. He will be more accurate, (and I am not talking just about completion percentage).
He will get the ball out on time, and know where to go with it before the pressure gets to him. He will take hits along the way, but I will be surprised if the sacks against doesn’t go down.
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The “Big Nickel” or Buffalo as Spags called it sure looks different with TJ or Barron playing the hybrid lb than it did when Dahl was playing it.
I use to hate this alignment with Dahl because he couldn’t hold up and the Rams would get gashed in the run game.
Both Barron and TJ are stout in the box.
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BonifayRam
after last weeks game against the Cards sure makes me feel real good about this trade. Barron is 6-2 213 & McDonald is closer to 6-3 @ about 220 pounds himself, sure will make our opponents pass catchers roaming around our secondary some serious concerns. With our starting CB’s off the injury list finally & Gaines sliding into the Nickel & Barron, McLeod & McDonald on the field at the same time that should be a new look for our Rams & for Manning.
znModeratorPrediction: Broncos roll past Rams
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/13590/prediction-broncos-roll-past-rams
Predicting what the St. Louis Rams are going to do from week to week is a difficult exercise, especially when they’re heavy underdogs. Everything seemed to be working against them two weeks ago when they went to San Francisco and they somehow managed to win.
This week, the Denver Broncos come to town expected to cruise past the Rams. The us-against-the-world mentality will be in place once again in the Rams’ locker room. But it’s hard to see how they’ll be able to spring another surprise considering the matchups against the Broncos.
The Rams pass rush has been much improved with 16 sacks over the past four weeks, tied for most in the league (and it will be 17 when the league credits Robert Quinn for a correction from the Kansas City game). But Peyton Manning is probably the best ever at recognizing where pressure is coming from and getting the ball out quick.
Manning is averaging 2.29 seconds before passing, which is second-fastest in the league, and his 67.7 percent completion rate is fourth. The Rams, meanwhile, are last in the league in completion percentage allowed at 69.6 percent. That combination will prove deadly for the Rams because it will neutralize the pass rush and allow Manning and the Broncos offense to continue putting up the points. And scoring points isn’t something the Rams do well, either, averaging 16.6 offensive points per game, 29th in the NFL.
Add it all up and you have all the makings of a blowout.
My prediction: Broncos 31, Rams 10
znModeratorPFF Preview: Broncos @ Rams
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/11/14/pff-preview-broncos-rams-week-11/
Coming off a blowout win against the Oakland Raiders, the 7-2 Denver Broncos will travel to St. Louis to take on Jeff Fisher’s 3-6 Rams.
As displayed many times this season, Peyton Manning’s receiving weapons are incredibly dangerous and difficult to defend. Denver’s wideouts are a very important cog in the team’s offensive machine. Demaryius Thomas ranks third among wide receivers with a +11.6 overall grade, and leads the NFL in yards after the catch (459 yards). Thomas is tops at his position in Yards per Route Run as well, posting a stellar 2.96 average. Fellow receiver Emmanuel Sanders has been equally effective in 2014: his quarterbacks have a 126.4 rating when targeting him in 2014, while his catch rate on Deep Passes (20 yards or more) is a solid 55.6, which is third at his position.
The Rams will have a tough time defending Denver’s receivers, but their secondary may be up to the task. Rookie cornerback E.J. Gaines has a strong +4.4 coverage grade and is tied for third at his position with seven passes defended. Gaines is also allowing only 1.01 Yards per Coverage Snap, which ranks him inside the Top 15 cornerbacks for that stat. Free safety Rodney McLeod has also graded positively in coverage this season (+2.4) and has only allowed 44 total yards after the catch. St. Louis’ secondary will certainly be targeted often seeing how much Manning trusts his receivers, so how they hold up to this test will be a telling indicator of the game’s ultimate outcome.
Here are three more notable numbers for each side:
Denver Broncos
Von Miller – leads all outside linebackers with a +23.9 pass rush grade, 32 quarterback hurries and 50 total pressures.
C.J. Anderson – has forced 14 missed tackles in only 38 touches this season, earning him an elusive rating of 100.7 (third among running backs with at least 30 touches).
Chris Harris Jr. – ranks first among cornerbacks with 0.52 Yards per Coverage Snap, while opposing quarterbacks have earned a 44.0 rating when throwing at him.
St. Louis Rams
Aaron Donald – the rookie leads all defensive tackles with a +13.8 run defense grade and is second with a 12.3 Run Stop Percentage.
Jared Cook – ranks at eighth among tight ends with 1.81 Yards per Route Run.
William Hayes – despite the attention that teammate Robert Quinn receives, Hayes ranks inside the Top 10 4-3 defensive ends in Pass Rush Productivity (10.8) and Run Stops (13).
znModeratorThe STL Post-Dispatch’s Jim Thomas explains to CineSport’s Noah Coslov the keys to trying to limit Broncos QB Peyton Manning’s production & the reasons behind the Rams starting QB Shaun Hill.
http://cinesport.stltoday.com/saint-louis-sports/thomas-why-start-hill-over-davis/
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November 14, 2014 at 1:36 am in reply to: Rams, who is out who is recovering, including Laurinaitis & Long #11791
znModeratorChris Long is no longer a ‘ghost’
By Jim Thomas
When you’re sidelined by injury for a lengthy period of time, it’s almost like you disappear in an NFL locker room.
Rams defensive end Chris Long, who played in 97 consecutive games to start his career, never experienced that feeling until he suffered a foot injury in the season opener against Minnesota. Surgery was necessary to repair two torn tendons in his left foot, and then the long rehab process began.
“I’m telling you, it’s weird when you’re walking around without a helmet and a jersey for seven, eight weeks,” Long said. “You feel like a ghost sometimes.”
It has actually been nine-plus weeks since the injury. But Long’s time as a ghost are over. He returned to practice Wednesday for the first time since the injury. It’s very doubtful he plays this week against Denver, but he could be starting a new consecutive games streak after that.
“There’s a lot you don’t take into account when you’re coming off a surgery and you’ve got to rehab and strengthen,” Long said. “So it was great to get back out there with my teammates. It was just really exciting to have a jersey on. I felt like I was part of the team again.”
Long’s participation in practices this week has been limited to individual periods, when the defensive linemen do drill work on their own. The next step, of course, is “team” — or 11-on-11 work — followed by returning to game action.
Long was hesitant to pinpoint exactly when he might return to game action from the injured reserve/designated for return list. He has a maximum practice window of three weeks before the team must decide whether to put him on the 53-man roster or keep him on IR for the rest of the season.
On Wednesday, coach Jeff Fisher expressed confidence that Long would return prior to the completion of the three weeks. So most likely, his first game back will either be the Nov. 23 game at San Diego or the Nov. 30 home contest against Oakland.
“You never know, but I can’t make predictions on how I’m gonna feel one day to the next,” Long said. “It’s a process, and I’m just heavy into the rehab still, while I’m trying to get out there on the practice field. It just felt good to be out there with my teammates.”
The feeling was mutual.
“It’s great to see our brother back out there on the field,” defensive tackle Kendall Langford said. “He’s looking good. He’s feeling good. So we’re hoping for the best.”
Being sidelined for more than two months wasn’t easy, so much so Long nearly drove himself nuts during his down time.
“You know, I was really worried about that,” he said. “And there’ve been some tough times. But the toughest is knowing you can’t help your teammates, and I just want to help us win.
“Even if I can’t help my team win on the field, I like to be able to help off the field and just be available to my teammates and my coaches, because it’s important to me.”
But as the weeks rolled by, one indication that Long was growing stir crazy came on Twitter. Namely his always interesting tweets on @JOEL9ONE got even more “out there” than usual.
For example, he has power rankings of flightless birds, months of the year, and sharks.
By the way, the bull shark was No. 1, and he teased his rankings on months of the year by tweeting, in part: ”There are some surprises.”
He established playoff seedings for athletes with flattop haircuts, and had random tweets such as:
• “Ever forget what year it is? Me neither.”
• ”Listening to ‘Seminole Wind’ in the bat cave with my bulldogs.”
“I’m an ‘out there’ guy,” Long tried to explain. “You’re bored. I’m not as tired as I usually am from work so I’ve got a lot of energy I’ve gotta get out.”
Did he ever have a moment of self-awareness, where he realized his tweets were getting out of hand?
“Yeah, when I started power-ranking like the months of the year, and stuff,” he said. “You just start losing your mind on there. My Instagram posts got weirder and weirder. I did a lot of photo-shopping and stuff like that.
“I spent a lot of time in the training room, so you just sit there and you tweet, and it can get monotonous so you get a lot of stupid ideas in your head.”
But as Long gets closer and closer to playing, things will return to “normal” soon on Twitter. He should join his teammates on the field on game day some time this month. It might just be enough to push November to the top of the power rankings.
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Fisher: Peyton Manning never betterBy Jeff Legwold | ESPN.com
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — As an NFL head coach, Jeff Fisher has faced Peyton Manning 19 times, including one playoff game, and in all that preparation, he said Wednesday that the veteran quarterback looks even better this time around.
Manning and the Denver Broncos visit Fisher’s St. Louis Rams on Sunday. It will be the first time Fisher has faced Manning since the quarterback signed with the Broncos in 2012, and Fisher returned to the sideline that same season.
“With all due respect to the Colts and that system, the system is completely different now,” Fisher said on a conference call. “Everybody is moving around, as compared to Marvin [Harrison] playing on one side, Reggie [Wayne] on the other.
“This offense is completely different. They’ve done an outstanding job of putting outstanding players around him. I think this is the best cast of playmakers he’s ever had, and obviously the results are showing that.”
The Broncos have five players with at least 20 catches, with Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders leading the way with 65 and 62, respectively. Tight end Julius Thomas leads the NFL with 12 touchdown catches.
In his tenure as Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans coach, Fisher’s teams faced Manning twice a season beginning in 2002. Manning is 13-6 as a starter in those games. (Two games in that span were end-of-the-regular-season affairs when Indianapolis’ playoff spot was assured and Manning attempted seven and 17 passes, respectively.)
Fisher, whose playing and coaching roots are on defense, has tried all forms of coverage-rush combinations through the years. His staff in St. Louis also includes defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, assistant head coach Dave McGinnis and secondary coach Chuck Cecil, who were all also on Fisher’s staff at times with the Titans.
“I can’t remember a time when he was playing any better,” Fisher said. “I think he’s playing his best ball right now. He’s got great people around him, he’s really got a good feel, he’s not going to take a sack, he’s not going to make a bad decision. It’s very, very difficult to defend.”
Manning leads the NFL with 29 touchdown passes for the 7-2 Broncos and is on pace to become the first player in NFL history to throw for 50 touchdowns in back-to-back seasons. He is third in passing yards (2,912) and has been sacked fewer times (nine) than any other quarterback who has started all of his team’s games.
“There may be a time when you can try to catch a double here or there, but it’s not going to fool Peyton; he knows exactly where to go with the ball,” Fisher said. “When you watch this offense and you watch it close, there is usually two, oftentimes three receivers that are open as an option. Peyton has options.
“You oftentimes wonder why he goes there instead of over here. Well, when he goes there, he makes the right decision, so they make a play. It is very difficult to blanket this offense and take things away and make him hold [the ball].”
November 13, 2014 at 10:47 pm in reply to: Does anyone here believe we can beat Denver on Sunday? #11785
znModeratorfrom an article:
Fisher’s teams faced Manning twice a season beginning in 2002. Manning is 13-6 as a starter in those games.
znModeratorAre the Rams a Quarterback Away From Being a Quality Team?
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/13/nfl-week-11-settle-this-greg-bedard-st-louis-rams-quarterback/
By Greg A. Bedard
SettleThis: Are Rams really a quarterback away from being a quality team? Heard it several times, but what does the film say? — Lucas Bruton, @LukeBrute
We first need to define “quality team.” I’ll say that means a winning team, which they haven’t been since 2003, although they’ve been close several times. The short answer, Lucas, is yes, because I like their defense and some of their offensive pieces. But I don’t think getting consistent quarterback play means they’ll suddenly rise to the top of the NFC West.
Consistent quality play from the quarterback position is the Rams’ biggest missing puzzle piece. How do they get that? They can’t just keep the status quo. Like I said in March about the Bengals, “If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results, then the Bengals are certifiable when it comes to quarterback Andy Dalton.” If the Rams put all their eggs in the Sam Bradford basket again, then they’re crazy and everyone should be fired. I still think Bradford can be a good pro, but the Rams have to throw multiple options at the quarterback position and sort it out later. The new rookie contracts mandate that, and it’s borderline criminal that the Rams haven’t invested in a quarterback—at least someone to develop—since taking Bradford in 2010 (2014 sixth-rounder Garrett Gilbert was cut from the practice squad a few weeks ago). The starter since Bradford went on IR, Austin Davis has certainly made some plays, but he is not an NFL starting quarterback unless he develops significantly; he does not see the field well enough. Shaun Hill is a solid backup.
After two ACL surgeries, Bradford can be brought back but not at his $16.6 million salary cap number. He should return under a reduced, incentive-laden deal. If he balks at that, the Rams should just move on. Even if Bradford returns the team still needs a franchise quarterback for the future, and they need to draft one high. If both Bradford and the draft prospect develop, one can be traded down the line. That’s a problem the Rams need to get themselves into.
But there’s still other work to be done. The interior of the offensive line needs to be revamped, specifically left guard Davin Joseph and center Scott Wells. The Rams will have to make a decision on tackle Jake Long; moving on from him would save $8 million against the cap. The Rams also need to find a legit No. 1 receiver and a consistent weapon at tight end (Jared Cook has played better this year but hasn’t maximized his physical talent). I like Tre Mason at running back; Tavon Austin has been used better this season, and the Rams have solid receivers.
Defensively, coordinator Gregg Williams could really use a more dynamic middle linebacker than James Laurinaitis. I don’t care about tackle numbers; he’s average against the run and poor against the pass. I’m sure Laurinaitis will stick around since his cap number drops from $9.65 million to $4.275 million and you can certainly win with him, but the Rams can do better. Linedbacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar needs to be replaced. Other than that, I like the pieces the Rams have on defense and Williams knows how to make them work.
So, Lucas, I believe the Rams have most of the important pieces needed and are just lacking a competent quarterback who can make them a quality, winning team. But taking that next step is easier said than done. They just can’t wait for Bradford to get healthy again.
znModeratorThanks for posting that, Grits. My respects to the man.
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I went back and watched Hill play and, even as a Hill fan from TC I have to say, he’s better than I remembered.
-People who say he isn’t mobile need to go watch him. With a pass rush in his face most of the game he only took 1 sack and that was because a blind side DE came up from behind him and knocked the ball free which he fell on and saved. This is the play where I believe he was injured as his shoulder was jammed back on the hit and he threw only one more time. Other than that, he moved in the pocket and delivered time after time. He scrambled out of the pocket and extended plays a couple of times but, with his play, that’s all he needed to. After he left the game, there were four more sacks which I believe is a testament to his ability to avoid pressure.
-If my assessment is correct, he threw one bad pass and that was the interception immediately after the play where he was probably injured. I forgot how many sweet throws he made that were called back by penalty, dropped passes, or where the player didn’t go past the first down marker. Of the other incompletes, one was an 8 man blitz that collapsed the line and he overthrew the receiver deep by 5 yards but the defender drew a flag. It looked to me like either the receiver couldn’t get to his spot or Hill was throwing away the ball without drawing the intentional grounding. However, it could have just been that he overthrew the receiver from the pressure. The second was a pass to no one deep that appeared to be a missed route by the receiver. The third was the interception that was a circus catch interception. Some say he was throwing the ball away but either way, it’s on him.
-Hill hit his hot route every time he needed to and there was a receiver open. He didn’t miss once. Every hot route pass that wasn’t complete was the receiver dropping a pass directly to them.
Now that the penalties have subsided and the receivers are catching better, I could see Hill having a monster game. Dude has an ARM. His short passes have zing when needed and touch where needed and were dead on right where the receiver needed the ball to be.
He threw with anticipation and hit receivers in stride. He went through his reads and kept his eyes downfield.
His long bombs were deep and accurate other than the ones I mentioned.
What impressed me most was his presence. Completely calm. Moving in the pocket. Setting his feet and delivering. Defeating pressure with dump off passes or scrambling.
I think the Rams, other than their O line, are far better than they have appeared and Hill is going to be able to exploit that. If you go back and remove the penalties and dropped passes he would have been dominating the Vikings. Now throw in the Rams’ D that is finally living up to their talent and I can’t help but believe this is going to be a hell of a game and that the rest of the season, at the very least, is going to be exciting with more wins than not.
znModeratorAmong qualifying quarterbacks, only Colin Kaepernick had a higher sack rate than Davis’ 9.3 percent this season.
It’s higher than 9.3%. PRF lists it as 9.3%, which is doubtless where he gets the number from, but it’s actually 29 sacks on 284 attempts, which is 10.2%.
Off the top of my head, it looks like 10.2% is the worst sack percentage of any starting Rams qb since they kept the numbers on this. Bradford was at 9.2% in 2011, but that was 2011 and all that implies. Even in the OL Injury Apocalypse of 2007, Bulger was at 8.3%. Kyle Boller in the Third OL Injury Apocalypse of 2009 was at 8.8%.
10.2% is worse than Clemens behind more or less the same OL, and Clemens had issues handling pressure too.
znModerator• The Rams offensive line has done a poor job in pass protection, ranking 30th among the 32 teams in pass-blocking efficiency by Pro Football Focus. Rams quarterbacks have been pressured 113 times in nine games, the league’s fifth-highest total. According to PFF, Davis has been under pass-rush pressure on nearly 43 percent of his dropbacks this season. That’s tied for the highest percentage of pass-rush heat endured by regular NFL quarterbacks this year.
No one will confuse the Rams offensive live with the Hogs or anything, but I think some of that poor pass blocking efficiency can be laid at Davis’ feet. Defensive coordinators know Davis struggles against the blitz so they blitz him a lot. That leads to a lot of QB pressures. If Davis could recognize a blitz was coming and check out of the play called and/or find his hot receiver, then DC’s would be forced to dial back the blitzing a little bit. Then you would have fewer QB pressures and an o-line that’s ranked better than 30th in this regard.
Well if that works, Hill should see a decline in sacks, or more to the point, a decline in sack percentage.
Should take 4 games to tell?
znModeratorBernie: Hill move the right way to go
Bernie Miklasz
Rams coach Jeff Fisher made the right move in calling veteran righthander Shaun Hill out of the bullpen to relieve the frazzled young starter, Austin Davis.
Fisher had to stop the bleeding. Davis has been overrun and overwhelmed as of late, and the low-scoring Rams can’t afford to have a quarterback who serves as a slot machine for opposing defenses. You know: Pull the arm, hear the cha-ching of a turnover and collect your winnings.
With the Rams defense cranking it up and tormenting quarterbacks in a manner befitting a unit coordinated by the überaggressive Gregg Williams, it’s imperative for the Rams to have an efficient (if not exciting) offense.
Davis provided an early boost, enlivening the inherent dullness with energy and big-play jolts. But defenses adjusted, the pass protection unraveled, and the quarterback’s play deteriorated. The mishaps included six defensive touchdowns on interception and fumble returns.
That’s damaging for any offense, but it’s a downright disaster for an offense that frequently malfunctions on a good day.
The turnover count is usually the tipping point that determines the outcome of NFL games. And this is all you need to know: In their three wins the Rams gave the ball away three times, total. And in their six losses, the offense coughed up 13 turnovers.
The Rams aren’t going to win any point-scoring shootouts, but at minimum must avoid shooting themselves in the football.
In theory, Hill has a better chance to cut back on the number of donations made to the opposing defense. But really now … how do we know?
Hill hasn’t experienced a lot of live action over the last five seasons, starting one regular-season game since the end of the 2010 campaign. That start was made in this season’s opening game against Minnesota, and Hill threw an avoidable and costly interception late in the first half. He had an awful 47.3 passer rating before departing with a strained quad.
Let’s face it: The identity of the starting quarterback has become increasingly irrelevant at Rams Park. Since the new regime of Fisher and GM Les Snead took charge of the program in 2012, the Rams have dragged near the bottom of the NFL in offensive points scored from scrimmage. (That doesn’t include points scored by the St. Louis defense or special teams on returns.)
The Rams ranked 28th in offensive points in 2012, averaging 16.3 a game. That improved slightly in 2013, when the Rams ranked 22nd at 19 points a game from their offense. But they’ve regressed this season, ranking 30th with an average of 16.5 points.
This offense hasn’t moved forward with Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator. That isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact.
Sam Bradford’s record as a starter under Fisher is 10-12-1. Kellen Clemens was 4-5 as the injury replacement for Bradford last season. And Davis was 3-5 as a starter after taking over for Hill. In terms of bottom-line record and point totals, the difference among the three quarterbacks is marginal.
That’s why I’m reluctant to write Davis off. He demonstrated an ability to play in this league. He may not be what this team needs or wants for a full-time starter. I’m not disputing that.
But the 2014 Rams have a shaky offensive line and a below-average running game, and haven’t established a receiver who can consistently wreck a defense.
I’m not sure why we’d expect Davis, after eight NFL starts, to overcome the disorder that surrounds him.
The issues are more significant than the game-to-game performances of Austin Davis.
The Rams rank 30th in the NFL in pass-protection efficiency by the analysts at Pro Football Focus. Rams quarterbacks have been pressured 113 times in nine games, the league’s fifth-highest total.
Davis has been under pass-rush pressure on nearly 43 percent of his dropbacks this season – tied for the highest percentage of pass-rush heat endured by a regular NFL quarterback.
That represents a big jump – in the wrong direction – for the O-line. According to PFF, Bradford was under pressure 33 percent of the time in 2012, and Bradford and Clemens faced pressure on 36 percent of their dropbacks in 2013.
Because of the faulty pass protection, Davis was at more of a disadvantage than Bradford or Clemens in past seasons. I’m not saying Davis handled the pass rush as well as he should have – obviously he didn’t – but a team can’t realistically expect positive results when the quarterback is setting up under extreme duress.
Hill, 34, isn’t as mobile as Davis. So how will Hill hold up physically when swarmed by the pass rush? Hill should be able to do a better job of getting the ball out on time, and to the right receiver. But even if Hill can stay on the field without getting maimed, and even if he plays reasonably well, he doesn’t project as the starter for 2015.
The problem isn’t that Fisher must decide between Hill and Davis.
The real problem is that the choice came down to Hill or Davis.
The Rams failed to adequately address the QB position after losing Bradford to knee surgery after seven games in 2013. Snead and Fisher disregarded Bradford’s extensive injury history, which dates back to his final season of college ball at Oklahoma. And sure enough, the same knee blew up again during the third preseason game this year.
There was also Bradford’s contract status; going into the 2014 cycle he had two years remaining on his exorbitant six-year rookie deal. One way or another, the Rams soon would face a tough decision regarding Bradford’s future.
Instead of spending an early-round draft choice to select a QB who could be developed to succeed Bradford, the Rams waited until the sixth round to draft SMU’s Garrett Gilbert. A wasted pick. With extra draft choices in hand, the Rams passed on the opportunity to find a future passer.
The Rams have Hill lined up to face Denver on Sunday at The Edward Jones Dome.
Problem is, the Rams don’t know who will line up at quarterback in 2015.
Unless the franchise wants to invest another year and $15 million in the rehabbing Bradford, the Rams will be starting over at the position.
And the seemingly endless rebuilding project will continue.
znModeratorThat’s an interesting interview IMO if you listen to it. A lot of it is what you expect, and some of it is him not really being on the traditional jock script. There are some interesting honest confessions in there. Example: “what did you learn?” “It is difficult to stay confident every week when you’re body’s tired and it [ie starting] is not fresh anymore.”
He got worn down. In fact, probably? Overwhelmed.
I don’t know what his future is–he could re-emerge. I really don;t think his arm is below average, I think it’s just average…I think his meltdown was mostly a mental thing. Yes, tough defenses, and film on him, and so on…but I think he may…might…just might?…have it in him to come back at a later time as a mentally better prepared vet. I dunno about starter, but the early Davis was a much different critter, and maybe he can make himself a more mentally ready version of that.
znModeratorIs it an elite bakery
or only a complimentary Bakery?w
vWell that doesn’t matter to me.
What matters is, does it have real “biscuits,” if you know what I mean.
znModeratorI believe they will draft a QB high and keep Bradford, and have them compete for a job in ’15. If Bradford is healthy, he will win the job and keep it unless/until he goes down for a third time. And if he stays healthy, this team could win the division in ’15, and if not there will still be hope for the future until the newness and shininess of the next best thing wears off.
I actually believe all that. But they still need a #2. Hill comes back? Davis sticks around? (Davis melted down but he started out pretty well, so, maybe he can be a 2 or 3 game back-up type? Better than Clemens and Jamie Martin….)
I don’t think they will swing for the fences and try and get a 1st round qb. Or I hope they don’t. That way lies Gabbert, Ponder, and madness.
To me, the better bet is to keep working on the OL and defense and assume that any qb they have will be a play-action guy, even Bradford.
znModeratorSome follow-up. Saguaro on watching Davis in that game.
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Saguaro
I got caught up in the game and fell into just watching the ball most of the time on offense. My impression, however, is that the Cardinals’ game plan was to cover the short stuff, not allow Davis any quick, easy throws, knowing that when the pressure started to come, he would pull his eyes down, and/or make a wild throw. They weren’t worried about getting burned deep.
Time after time, watching Davis, I was begging him to just throw the ball already! Even if you have to throw it away, just get rid of it, don’t start flailing around in the pocket! One reason that becomes more evident maybe in the stadium than on tv, is that a pass thrown away is a good play for the defense, but ho-hum. A sack gets that whole place just charged up and buzzing, players and fans.
I haven’t looked at the game on rewind yet. I suspect that at times there were receivers open that Davis just didn’t see.
On the other side of the coin, although overall I was happy with the defensive effort, one thing that bugged me was the passing lanes they left open. On Stanton’s one big drive, it just seemed to me that the pass rush sprawled out wide and left him big openings to see downfield. Would rather that they had kept in tighter and had Brockers with that height in his face.
znModeratorWho has rewind?
Maybe, if you can, go back and watch the first half of the Vikes game again.
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znModeratorGordon: Hill gets second chance with Rams
By Jeff Gordon
The first Shaun Hill Era lasted one half of one game with the Rams.
The well-traveled veteran quarterback was all set to replace injured starter Sam Bradford this season. His coaches and teammates expressed total confidence in his ability to take charge.
Then Hill suffered a strained thigh muscle against the Minnesota Vikings, threw a bad interception at the end of the first half, spent a couple weeks on the injury list and lost his starting job to the temporarily dynamic Austin Davis.
“Austin did a great job,” Hill said. “He was playing very well. I understand why they did it.”
Was it hard to lose that opportunity so quickly?
“It was a little bit,” Hill said. “At the same time, I still had a job to do.”
Now Hill’s job gets a whole lot bigger. Rather than run the scout team offense this week, he is preparing to face the powerful Denver Broncos defense.
“Every NFL defense is very good,” Hill said. “These guys are exceptional at it, though.”
Oh, and pizza pitchman Peyton Manning is throwing for the other side. Manning is posting stupid numbers again this season, odds are the Rams will be playing catch-up in this game.
“For me, it’s getting the ball dispersed to where it needs to go in a timely manner,” Hill said.
He learned of this latest Rams quarterback switch from coach Jeff Fisher in a phone call. Or rather during a call back, after he missed the first one.
“Obviously, the excitement kicks in,” Hill said. “Now it’s back to business as usual.”
Was he surprised to be back in the hot seat? The low-keyed Hill shrugged off the question.
“There is not a whole lot that surprises me any more, to be honest with you,” Hill said.
After Davis hit some predictable turbulence at Kansas City, San Francisco and Arizona, Fisher opted to “lean on the experienced quarterback” as he put it after Wednesday’s practice.
“It’s never an easy decision when you make a change in the middle of the season,” Fisher said.
This decision was easier than most. Davis threw five interceptions and just three TD passes in those three road games.
He posted passer ratings of 75.4, 44.6 and 62.6 in those games — with more telling “QPR” ratings of 9.5, 13.7 and 3.4.
Against the Cardinals, Davis threw two interceptions — one that Arizona returned for a TD — and lost a fumble that also was returned for a TD.
Worse, he became indecisive under pressure and held on to the ball too long time after time. That was one reason why the Cardinals were able to sack him six times for 42 yards in losses.
After throwing for 702 yards in two games — against Dallas and at Philadelphia — he has averaged just 174.4 yards passing in his last five games.
“The last two weeks have been difficult for him,” Fisher said. “The defenses he faced were especially good.”
Now Hill will try to do better. “We’re going to give Shaun an opportunity to do what we brought him in to do,” Fisher said. “For all intents and purposes, he lost his job due to an injury.”
While Hill lacks the mobility Davis brings to the offense, he has a deeper and more accurate arm.
Perhaps he can stretch defenses enough to open up some room for the run game. Lately the run game hasn’t done much against loaded boxes that dared the Rams to throw over the top.
This is a huge opportunity for Hill. The Rams face an uncertain future at quarterback with Bradford recovering from a second knee operation.
If Hill can excel the rest of the way, he could factor into next year’s plans or earn a good back-up gig elsewhere. Had he stayed on the bench the rest of this season, he might have struggled to find work next season.
Such is the fate of a seldom-seen veteran QB in the NFL.
As for Davis, he advanced his career this season while completing 180 of 286 passes for 2,0001 yards and 12 touchdowns. And he may yet get another shot with the Rams after using this quiet time to regroup.
At worst, Davis has made himself into a solid candidate for QB work down the road. That is a big step for a player who seemed close to getting cut before Bradford went down again.
“He is a much better quarterback now than when he started,” Fisher said.
November 12, 2014 at 9:49 pm in reply to: 101, 11/12 – John Clayton, Wagoner, Wheeler on Hill, Chris Burke on the Denver #11745
znModeratorWho has it worse the Rams or the Bears? ESPN’s John Clayton tells The Fast Lane.
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What is Austin Davis’ future with the Rams? ESPN.com Rams Insider Nick Wagoner tells The Fast Lane.
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znModeratorFisher reverses field, names Hill starting QB
By Jim Thomas
Two days after saying he was not contemplating a quarterback change, Jeff Fisher has reversed field. To wit, Shaun Hill will start at quarterback Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome against Peyton Manning and the Denver Bronco.
When all is said and done, this is a move to get more experience in at the position. Fisher informed the players of his decision during a team meeting earlier this morning.
Signed away from Detroit in free agency during the offseason, Hill was brought in to provide a veteran backup for Sam Bradford. And when Bradford went down for the season with a torn ACL in his left knee in an Aug. 23 preseason game in Cleveland, Hill moved in as the starter.
But Hill’s tenure as the starter ended after only one half of the season opener. He suffered a thigh injury in the first half of the opener against Minnesota. Austin Davis took over in the second half of that game, and proceeded to start the next eight games.
After an impressive beginning, Davis’ production began sliding and his turnovers mounting in recent games, including a murder’s row of top 10 defenses that included San Francisco (twice), Seattle, and Kansas City.
Fisher gave him what came off as a lukewarm endorsement on Monday. He cited several areas that Davis needed to improve on, including getting the ball out more quickly. He said there were several opportunities to connect with open receivers in Sunday’s 31-14 loss at Arizona.
In that contest, Davis threw two interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown in the fourth quarter. He had a lost fumble returned for another TD, turning what was a nip-and-tuck game into a 17-point loss.
Fisher seemingly left the door open a bit Monday in discussing Davis by saying: “He’s working real hard, so we’ll see where it goes.”
In his first three starts _ against Tampa Bay, Dallas, and Philadelphia _ Davis completed 67.5 percent of his passes for 937 yards, six TDs, and two interceptions for a passer rating of 100.6.
In five games since then, Davis has completed 59.2 percent of his passes for 869 yards with six TDs, six INTs, and a passer rating of 73.4.
Hill, meanwhile, has played only one snap since that first half against Minnesota. He handed the ball off in the Rams’ Nov. 9 game at San Francisco after Davis needed to readjust and refit a knee brace after a hard slide on a scramble.
znModeratorHill: “Your excitement levels kicks up a bit”
Shaun Hill talks to the press after being named starting quarterback for Week 11.
znModeratorBernie: Rams’ QB change doesn’t solve bigger problem
Bernie Miklasz
Good afternoon…
As you probably know by now, Rams coach Jeff Fisher has changed his mind and will start Shaun Hill at quarterback against Denver on Sunday.
Austin Davis is benched.
I don’t know how much this move will help the Rams, but it figures to be good for the young quarterback’s health. Davis has absorbed a lot of physical punishment this season, especially in recent weeks. His confidence has taken a beating, too.
That left the Rams with a young, increasingly flustered QB that became a slot machine for opposing defenses.
Pull on his arm, and a turnover would pop into the tray.
Davis has had four interceptions and two sack-fumbles returned for touchdowns this season.
Fisher offered support of Davis during Monday’s media gathering at Rams Park, and it appeared that Davis would remain in place as the starter. But as our Jim Thomas pointed out, Fisher did hedge a little when pressed about Davis on Monday. So we probably shouldn’t be surprised by the coach’s verdict.
Fisher is allowed to do a flip-flop here, and in this case it was the right double move by the coach.
There’s no good reason to stand and do nothing and watch a young QB drown. Rescue Davis now, let him catch his breath, and maybe throw him back in the water for another try later.
The hope/belief is that the ol’ veteran Hill will be more efficient. He’ll get rid of the ball sooner to avoid sacks, he’ll throw it away to avoid sacks, and he won’t haphazardly toss the ball downfield when under pass-rush fire.
It’s worth a try, though I’m still thinking Denver will have the edge at QB this week. Slight advantage, Peyton Manning.
Anyway …
The QB switcheroo makes sense right now but it doesn’t settle the more significant issues:
• Over the last three seasons, the Rams have lagged offensively under the leadership of the current regime, never ranking better than 22nd in the league in offensive points from scrimmage. GM Les Snead, Fisher and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer have been unable to move this offense forward in a meaningful way. The identity of the starting QB hasn’t really mattered. Bradford, Kellen Clemens, Hill, or Davis. The Rams offense doesn’t score enough points. Period.
• The Rams offensive line has done a poor job in pass protection, ranking 30th among the 32 teams in pass-blocking efficiency by Pro Football Focus. Rams quarterbacks have been pressured 113 times in nine games, the league’s fifth-highest total. According to PFF, Davis has been under pass-rush pressure on nearly 43 percent of his dropbacks this season. That’s tied for the highest percentage of pass-rush heat endured by regular NFL quarterbacks this year. And Hill isn’t as mobile as Davis. He started one game this year, the opener, and got hurt. How will Hill hold up physically when swarmed by the pass rush? Big question.
• The Rams failed to adequately address the QB position before the season. Even with Sam Bradford coming off knee surgery that cut short his 2013 season — and with Bradford entering the final two years of his Rams’ contract — the team didn’t use an early-round draft choice to select a developmental QB that could be groomed to take over. The Rams waited until the sixth round to draft SMU’s Garrett Gilbert, a wasted pick. And when Bradford’s knee blew up again during the preseason, putting him out for the year, the Rams’ choice came down to Hill and Davis.
• And that’s the more prominent issue. It isn’t a matter of Hill vs. Davis; it’s more about not having a more attractive, forward-thinking alternative in place. Unless the Rams bring Bradford back in 2015 to attempt another comeback in what would be the final year of his contract, the team doesn’t have a viable quarterback lined up for next season.
• Some would argue — with abundant merit — that the Rams already have lost the Bradford gamble, so they should cut their losses instead of stubbornly staying the course with Bradford as their designated No. 1 QB for a sixth consecutive year. Bradford is due $16.58 million in 2015. By releasing him, the Rams would save more than $12 million against the ’15 cap.
Again, the Hill appointment may help reduce the mistakes and lead to enhanced efficiency. But Hill is 34 and hasn’t played much football in recent years, starting one regular-season game since the end of the 2010 season. It’s difficult to know what to expect from him at this point.
The Rams can line up Hill or Davis the rest of the way this season, but it won’t change the daunting reality here. The St. Louis Rams don’t know who their quarterback will be in 2015, and that uncertainty will likely prolong a rebuilding project that never seems to end.
Thanks for reading …
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