PhxRam wrote:

fair enough..

So I am now going to assume that is fair game to post all PMs and Emails because you failed to answer that question 3 times.

I did answer the question. I directly said I can’t tell you what to post. But I take that back.

Those things serve no purpose unless you want to claim that we had issues. Since you never said we did, I am only going to tell you that you should have raised them. You seem to have enough time to talk tonight after weeks of saying you didn’t.

So no you can’t post them. I don’t know what they are, who they’re from, and how they pertain to the 28th. If you feel strongly enough, email them to me. That’s where this should go anyway.

zackneruda99@yahoo.com

NERam wrote:

That’s all I heard when I went to the old board. Bzzzzzzzz…

Somebody had locked the front door, and I couldn’t get in. Had a bloody cake in the oven too.

Oh, well.

Where do you guys keep the sugar and flour around here?

We;re still sorting that out. In the meanwhile, welcome back from the void.

PhxRam wrote:

If it is really killing you to get an answer from me, read the post from X again. The answer is right in front of your face.

It’s not killing ME. LOl. It’s killing YOU. Meaning, in the light of public perception. You want to come across as an honest guy who ended up in a conflict and stuff happens. But by not answering that question, you make it look like you have something to hide. By me continuing to ask, that perception gets reinforced.

I mean it looks very different if you act all outraged about being accused when in fact that’s not the real story. You hid behind “plausible denial” and knew…at least before this conversation started last night, and probably earlier…that your own board mod was blocked and he did not know why.

Puts everything in a different light.

I know what X says. I am asking YOU, directly, what YOU knew.

And you evaded it so I take it the answer is yes. Yes, you knew.

Now if we’re done with this one thing we can move on. If not…that’s okay too.

PhxRam wrote:

LOL.. you want to talk evasion?

You just accused a guy of reading mod PMs and when I called you out on it because you misread we are just to forget about it?

Lets start from the top.

You accused me of blocking you from some sites and you were proven wrong
You accused X of reading Pms and shown to be wrong

Are you just going to continue to throw shit until something sticks?

Those kinds of moves don’t work, my friend.

I said we will get to the PM issue and we will.

Now. By evading my question several times…I take it that you

1. knew I was blocked from the buzz…any time from before I emailed you to when this conversation started last night (you’re saying “you didn’t do it” does not answer “did you know it was done”; but I am taking the evasion as a “yes”).

2. knew I was blocked just from ROD the previous time.

So that’s a “yes” on your part. If that’s settled we can go on. If it’s not settled we can keep at it.

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PhxRam wrote:

Where do you come up with this shit? Now X was reading PMs?

You ever answer questions or is every discussion always about you asking the questions and everyone is supposed to respond accordingly.

And BTW..unlike you, I HAVE apologized to some members directly via PM.

Reading PMs? He says so himself. Read his post.

No your real frustration is that you can’t control this conversation. You can ask all the questions you want–you began with one. Will I apologize? Me saying I shouldn’t have done it apparently not counting for you. And then you added name-calling of your own to it, which I doubt you will apologize for.

And I am asking a very important question. You have not answered it twice now. Just answer it so we can move on and both get some honest closure out of this. I used to trust you and we worked together well. I liked what we did. I don’t like this impasse. I would rather go back to the former relationship, where communication was not hard. If you can’t hear that, then you never knew me.

But it’s a simple question. Did you know X blocked me from the buzz, or the previous time from ROD. That’s actually two questions, and they’re fair.

PhxRam wrote:

I DIDNT BLOCK YOU FROM ANYTHING.

Do I condone the actions by X? Your damn right I do.

Yes I asked RM to ban him. He would not get off attack mode so I deleted a couple of posts. The thing is, there can be a one-time exception as people sort out what happened on the 28th–there are a lot of upset posters who suddenly with no warning found themselves without a board. But it has to stop sometime.

Did you know I was blocked? You already say you condone it, which is half of the story. (See saying YOU personally didn’t do it is simply an evasion when the question is whether you knew about it. Assuming that’s even true and it actually happened the way X said.)

For that matter, did you know about it the first time it happened, when I was just blocked from ROD (that was about the time when you bought ROD, the buzz went down with a virus soon after, and then came back up minus many features, including the Rieker donations, and when I asked about them, your response was to say you could just take the board down. I was blocked from ROD round about then.)

And my question to you was not if X is in on all of your sites, the question is whether you informed me, your partner, that he was not only an admin but was reading PMs and according to him blocking people. You think you should have been trusted implicitly…but did I really know how the buzz worked if an outside party was reading mod PMs, later to talk about them in public. Don’t be so defensive…this one is a minor issue.

You keep raising the level of provocations, including trying to get in a dig at me when you apologized to all the posters whose site you blew up. So you didn’t really take responsibility for anything. It was sort of “I am sorry and it’s his fault.” And then on to the name-calling we’re not supposed to do because it’s so wrong.

ER’s post stands because X’s post stands. That’s my call. Unless the other mods want me to take down both. Or for that matter, a couple by you, too.

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PhxRam wrote:

Should I hold my breath waiting for an apology?

I said several times throughout the thread I shouldn’t have name-called you. Go back and look. Not sure what else you want.

But then in spite of your denial, I WAS blocked. So let’s begin one small step and see how it goes. X said I WAS blocked (like I knew I was). Did you know about that or not, and do you condone that or not now that it’s completely public?

Either X did it like he said, without your knowledge…which means you were running a site where someone could do that (plus read mod PMs and talk about them in public). Or you knew X did it. Or he’s just covering for you.

Did I ever know I was running a site where someone other than you was reading mod PMs and could block whoever he wanted? Did I know that was the deal I signed on to? How does that sit with you? We fell apart because of distrust. How does something like that contribute to distrust?

You could give an honest answer, or you could do more zn bashing. But that rings hollow because I asked you to partner up on a site in the first place because you had already invited me to front one for you (that happened when you were impatient with RM because at that point the huddle kept going down). You had known me since the herd. You had known me on the huddle. When my solution to the huddle wars was to make a new site, that was fine with you…and you saw the huddle wars while they were happening. (To the point where you even told me on the buzz that Arsenic was Pancake). Your idea, as you kept telling me, was to have the biggest, most advanced Rams board, and you clearly thought you could do that with me–you even said so, and praised the board (until you bought ROD). That’s all completely understandable, but as I said all the subsequent zn bashing rings completely hollow now.

Let’s see how this goes. Did you know I was blocked, and/or do you condone it now that it’s completely public?

X

So now you know. I was able to block you from both sites, and I did. I blocked you from ROD because of your constant pilfering of my posts, and because of your incessant whining about being talked about by guys like Les and Thor and Albe and Boffo. So out of sight, out of mind, yeah? I blocked you from The Buzz because I felt like it. I’ve always had administrative access to both sites, even after I sold ROD. I knew when Bob was going to be away, and I’ve been planning on nuking you for a few years now. So I did. Not unlike Samir Suleiman, I’m a fucking throat slasher. And you deserved all of it.

The fact that you petulantly demanded satisfaction without knowing the full story is just typical of your past, present, and future behavior. Bob hooked you up BIG TIME, and you repay him by calling him a dick? Who the hell do you think you are? The “inconvenience” that I caused you for all of one day was for all of your lectures via PM for the things I posted and the way I posted them. That was for turning every good poster into a shitty poster because you lack even a rudimentary understanding of how to speak to people without condescension. Les, Thor, Albe, Boffo … those are all genuinely good and interesting people that you turned into assholes because you can never, ever, ever, humble yourself and see another person’s point of view OR take even the slightest bit of criticism and gain a little introspection from it. But mostly, it was because you decided to turn on me one day before I even knew who the fuck you were. And I forget nothing. I’ve been stringing you along for years now. Pretending to be your friend, taking shots at you, apologizing to get you on the hook again, taking shots at you, apologizing, dogging you, apologizing, and so on and so on and so on. You. Are. My. Puppet. My greatest revenge comes this day, “Rick.”

So here’s my advice to you going forward. Shut the fuck up and listen once in a while. Don’t challenge people’s intellect because you think yours is superior. Don’t make the mistake of thinking everyone is forgiving, and stop leeching off of other people to get what you want. But most of all, take a goddamn look in the mirror. You’ve been ostracized from every board not named the PD, and for good reason. Dozens upon Dozens of people registered and left The Huddle because of you. You alone. A jury of your peers booted you off of ROD, and The Herd still mocks you to this day. You want a place to call home so that you can stop being the leader of the martyred flock of the internet? Buy one. Register the name, “ZNsWorld.tv” and pony up $8.95 a month to host your own site. Push a goddamn button to install a board, and lord over it like the creepy pie eating internet fascist you are.

For the rest of you who thought I was a decent guy, and was trying to help? Nah. I tried to buy The Huddle from RM, but he never responded to any of my emails. I was going to make that board great and ban the one guy responsible for destroying it. Some of you would have followed him through the gates of Hell I’m sure, but many of you would have noticed that the guys who were “ALLEGEDLY” responsible for its demise are actually the ones who have the personality to make a board click. And without them, that board died. I realize most of you are happy with a small community revolving around ZN and the face he shows you in public. I get that. But if you were ever exposed to the other face? The one that puffs out his chest behind the scenes because he can’t STAND being anything other than the center of attention and the sole voice of authority? Well, you’d know you were being duped.

Ban me now. I have no desire to respond to the inevitable victim speech that’s sure to follow.

My work is done.

Rules violating posts by you in the future will get torched. This post will stand though. It’s really a testimony to a lot of things. Including your own essentially vindictive spirit. Even if it’s one big game for you.

I will call you on a couple of your misconceptions and bs. And this will not lead to an argument. That WILL get nuked. No responses–you just posted the most petty attack post this community has seen since the old huddle war days, and you don’t get to continue with it. I never incessantly said anything about any poster at ROD (meaning, the ex-huddlers who still post there)…I double-checked on it with Bob to ask if he had zapped out the names posters were trying to bash. I asked if he had done that, and he said yes, and I basically said good job (because we had the same policy at the buzz, basically…no old wars. At the time I thought Bob and I were friends when I asked that…and for you to know it means you were reading buzz board PMs). I never “stole” anything from you and all boards copy posts, including ROD. But I did ask people to not copy mine, and if this is your way of doing the same, so be it. I didn’t petulently demand anything… I knew I was blocked and thought Bob was doing it for a reason. I wanted to know the reason, so we could have honest communication. What does one do when one is blocked and they know it, recite hindu prayers? Turns out, either you were his proxy or you’re covering for him or you just used him in a set up. If anything you said is even true. It doesn’t matter much if it is or not. Either way, he crashed a whole board community because of it.

The one thing I do want to stress is that describing my FRIENDS as “followers” is just a piece of projection on your part.

We have a board, X. That’s all that matters. You haven’t “gotten” anybody. But think so if you want. Shrug.

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• This reply was modified 10 years, 7 months ago by zn.

PhxRam wrote:

“My frustration came from a long drawn out process where I couldn’t do my job”

Really one day was a long drawn out process when I told you the next day I was out of town?

“Now if you had said calm down, let’s figure it out, and I still went off? Then you might have a point.”

You didnt give me but ONE DAY to respond to you.

“Heck even if you went nuke it should have just been to me. The board never did anything. I was just frustrated cause I couldn’t work on it.”

We both know how this would have played out. You would have gone around claiming that yet once again you have been wronged by yet another message board and you were misunderstood.

Out of curiousity how many message boards have you been banned from?

I was just trying to figure things out. All you had to do was go okay I haven’t been around calm down, give me time. Or if you went nuke go–I can’t work with this guy, our temperaments don’t mesh, I’ll ban him and notify the site it’s going down. Either way.

And as for your continual sliding into insults…that was all personal. (Notice I am not doing that.) No, I what I said was, Bob had a right to take down the board and no complaint. I was happy to leave it at that and preferred to leave it at that. I don’t know what stirred THIS up. It should have stayed there, where I had left it.

In fact, what did I ever say about the old huddle wars? Only that they should not be brought up, that they were over, that posters from other sites should not be attacked, that anyone was free to post on the buzz if they followed the rules, that bringing up old wars served no purpose. (All that’s true of the new huddle too btw).

Meanwhile, it’s really over here. You’re just repeating yourself…you’re incensed that I name-called you, and apologize for taking it out on the community. I’m just repeating myself…I had every reason to think I was blocked, was just asking you to communicate why, and have since said more than once that no I shouldn’t have name-called.

That’s an impasse. Let’s agree to disagree and drop it.

Any particular reason why X has his post being held in moderation?

Cause all first posts are held in moderation. If it’s held for a while, it;s invariably because a mod hasn’t spotted it yet. I write about that here: http://theramshuddle.com/forum/rams-huddle/

And now that I realize I am the only mod on duty I will look for pending posts.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

; Maybe you were blocked or maybe your OS updated itself and blocked you or your anti-virus software or a million other things on the high tech end. You got frustrated and called Bob a dick. We don’t know what he was going through at the time might have been a straw/camel’s back thing or it might all be bullshit but at this point It don’t really matter. There’s a reason boards are offered FREE and that is no one would pay for it. Could’ve been someone didn’t like your comments on board wars going on around that time but as you said lets move on.

Well, first, I thought of those things ER. Except why would I be blocked only at those 2 sites. And why am I still blocked at ROD. (Actually in effect I am still blocked at the buzz, cause it still times out when I try that URL and actually I have never seen the 404 notice personally).

And of course maybe I was going through things at the time and being blocked seemed weird and got to me.

BUT in essence, this is the crux.

I was blocked at 2 sites. Both owned by the same guy. I spend all day asking why that was going on.

How important is any of that NOW? Not very. Remember, I didn’t want to discuss any of this. I said Bob has the right to take the site down and that’s that. I think other parties upped the ante on it a bit. It happens that way sometimes.

Should I have called Bob a dick, even if I thought he blocked me over some issues he wasn’t talking abut and was ignoring questions about it? No. I already said that a couple of times. Should he have nuked a whole site without notice over it? No.

Is that our agree to disagree impasse point?

Next time I am blocked from a site I moderate I will be more polite in how I ask about it? Sure.

Next time Bob gets pissed off at a frustrated guy who has good reason to think he’s blocked will he refrain from nuking an entire site without notice? Hopefully.

Meanwhile, ROD goes on, the huddle goes on, it’s over.

PhxRam wrote:

you give me the time to look into the matter and not go on like a raving lunatic when I dont respond fast enough.

I actually would have given 5 minutes of my time to see what the problem was if you didnt come out of the gate making accusations.

See, if it were me, and you said I’ve been blocked all day, and I HADN’T blocked you, I would have just said calm down let’s figure it out. No matter how you put it. I would get the frustration.

I would also see that you believed I was blocking you because of some issue I had I wasn’t communicating about. If that were true I would have raised the issue. If it weren’t true I would have said no there’s no issue, just calm down and give me time to work on it.

And if you can’t handle frustrations like that then you should just stick to being a tech, frankly. I mean for goodness sake, what is someone who is blocked at the 2 sites you own GOING to think?

Or if I DID lose my temper at “accusations,” and thought you were messing up as a mod anyway, I would have banned you and then given the rest of the site notice it was going down. But then I probably wouldn’t have lost my temper. I would have no reason to take the insults personally…here was this guy who thought I had blocked him, I could have ended the whole situation just by saying yeah yeah calm down let’s fix it.

Again, there is no hypothetical opposite situation where I WOULD HAVE blocked you. If I had issues I would have raised them. I would have hoped that would have gone well but I would give it a chance, anyway.

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I provided a FREE service to everyone but for one particular individual it wasnt enough.

I have no idea what that means. Not being contentious…I honestly have no idea what that means. I asked you why I was blocked at 2 sites. I still have no idea why I was blocked at 2 sites. Why is asking not to be blocked at the site I moderate and help keep active asking for more than what was there? I just wanted what was already there…not to be blocked and to do my job.

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and for the third time..

I have agreed to your terms..

Is EVERYTHING fair game here?

Making demands is not in the spirit of a civil exchange.

I said I have no idea what you’re talking about. Your actions were on the 28th. If you had issues before that you should have raised them…that would have been the right thing to do.

I can’t tell you what to post.

I WILL tell you that if all you reveal is that you had issues from long before the 28th, I am just going to repeat that it was wrong to not raise them long before the 28th.

There was a whole community at stake, not just your concept of me (whatever that was).

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PhxRam wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

Before that, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it (minus many features, which is fine), but with some things missing…I asked about them and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go.

Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

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I am asking you to address the original question. Your other questions/concerns will be answered in due time.

So you agree everything is fair game?

I am going to give you ONE opportunity to let everyone here know that you are partially to blame for the demise of the buzz board

To be honest, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

As I said, if you had issues with me, you should have raised them long before the 28th. Communicated.

Because the issue is NOT taking the board down. You had a right to do that and I never said otherwise. The issue is HOW you took it down–which is without notice, without a legit re-direct, and by basically depriving an entire community when (apparently?) you had an issue with one poster (which I knew nothing about).

And you are not in charge in this discussion. This is an exchange. Be fair and treat as such. I put up an agreement to be civil cause it’s the right thing to do.