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<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
I personally dont even want AustinD back.
I dont think his flaws are correctable.If the Rams think they are a QB away from
the playoffs, then I’d bring back Bradford
and just take the salary-hit.I’d like to bring Hill back, too.
In 8 and a half games Austin Davis has completed 63.4% of his passes, he has thrown for over 2000 yards. He has an 85.1 qbr and has passed for 12 TDs against 9 interceptions. (Most 1st year qbs throw for more interceptions than TDs.) And you are ready to toss him in the trash heap! Really? I have words for that kind of logic, but they would get me banned.
BTW — Sam Bradford as a rookie completed 60.0% of his passes, had a 76.5 qbr, threw for 18 TDs against 15 ints. These numbers are a little worse than those of Davis and Bradford won offensive rookie of the year. And you are going to get rid of Davis?
Well, I have no doubt you think your logic
is better than others. Thats how you have always rolled.I used to be a big fan of AustinD. But then i just kept
seeing the same flaws over and over again. Your stats dont
show the decline. The trajectory of his numbers. Very selective
use of stats.I dont think you can teach a QB to have courage
in the pocket. Either you have that or you dont.w
vwvParticipantThis is what I believe the Michael Sam situation shows us.
Natural pass rushers usually get every chance.
Except if you’re gay.
I dunno. I just kinda think he was and is
a borderline NFL player.
What do i know, though.w
vNovember 25, 2014 at 5:54 pm in reply to: Happy-Holiday – what are you eating?..schadenfreude pie.. #12505wvParticipantI’ll be at work on Thanksgiving so I guess I’ll be eating the hospital cafeteria’s vision of what Thanksgiving dinner is.
My expectations aren’t high.
Over the years, i have found that cafeterias
make pretty good baked Ziti.Also, sometimes the bananas
are good.w
vwvParticipantHill also had a TD negated by a penalty.
Was that his fault, too?
Saw the article you posted
on Eric Berry’s lymphoma:
http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/9214/9214“When you have somebody who’s been with you for a number of years and I’ve had a chance to get to know him personally and he’s been such a leader for our football team, it probably does pull at the heart strings a little more,” Hunt said. “Putting that aside, whether it’s an employee in the front office or someone on the football field, when they’re going through a tough time we want to be there to support them.”
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vwvParticipantHe’s a bullpen pitcher and a good one.
When asked to go nine innings, he’ll come up a little short at times.
Not sure why some see him as anything other that than.I think we all agree that the position of QB
is the most important position on the team.
And the Rams have a big fat Question mark
at that position going into next year.The offseason should be entertaining.
I personally dont even want AustinD back.
I dont think his flaws are correctable.If the Rams think they are a QB away from
the playoffs, then I’d bring back Bradford
and just take the salary-hit.I’d like to bring Hill back, too.
And draft a QB somewhere in the first
two or three rounds.And then, I’d bring back Joe Namath, Bert Jones,
Ron Jaworski and Dan Pastoriniw
vwvParticipantWatched the DVR’d game last night and Hill’s decision to throw the ball looks even worse. He had time and was not pressured.
There was no need to blindly throw that pass.I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hill is a awful QB. And as we saw during the game except for a few plays he was not very accurate. A lot of balls thrown especially to backs out of the back field were almost in the dirt and tough catches because of that.
I think Kellen Clemens would have won that game.
Grits
I disagree on the “Hill is awful” thing.
I suspect he’s like Favre-lite. He thinks
he can force the ball into tight windows
and he just lets it fly. A gunslinger,
at heart. I think he’s always gonna
make some great plays and throw
some bad INTs.I think Brian Shottenheimer’s challenge
is to find a way to reign in Hill’s
more reckless tendencies, while not
totally handcuffing him.I’m surprised you think he’s ‘awful’ Grits.
What about that rainbow to Britt that
got called back?w
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Turning point: Shaun Hill intercepted at goal line
By Nick WagonerSAN DIEGO — A look back at the turning point play in the St. Louis Rams’ 27-24 loss to the San Diego Chargers on Sunday afternoon:
The situation: Yes, we discussed this play already in our postgame column but with a little more time to digest it, quarterback Shaun Hill’s interception at the goal line had plenty of interesting elements to it that make it worth revisiting. With 1:03 to go, the Rams had a second-and-goal at San Diego’s 4 while trailing 27-24. The previous play was a 2-yard carry by running back Benny Cunningham. Two plays earlier, receiver Kenny Britt had made a terrific 27-yard catch to put the Rams in position to win the game. This one was in question all the way until this play, which makes it the easy choice for this week’s turning point.
The play: The Rams lined up with receivers Britt and Chris Givens bunched to the left of the line of scrimmage with Cunningham and fullback Cory Harkey in the backfield. Tight end Lance Kendricks was attached to the right side of the line of scrimmage. Before the snap, Hill sent Cunningham in motion to the left, where he would join the bunch formation with Britt and Givens. San Diego followed Cunningham and, with no threat of a run play, safety Marcus Gilchrist stayed at home on the right side with his only movement based on his assignment (in this case Kendricks).
At the snap, the Rams attacked with a drive concept that had Britt running a jerk route underneath and Givens running a deep (such as it was) in to the back part of the end zone. Cunningham was supposed to follow Britt underneath in what is known as a follow concept, essentially following Britt. Hill’s read provided a high-low option with Givens the first look (high) and Britt next (low). Hill quickly looked off Givens but had Britt in man coverage against San Diego cornerback Shareece Wright. Wright grabbed Britt early in the route but got away with it.
Meanwhile, Gilchrist stayed at home on the other side of the formation because Kendricks stayed in to block. Hill shifted his focus to Britt right away but never saw Gilchrist as he attempted to fit it in to Britt. Gilchrist came up with the interception to seal the game and hand the Rams another loss.
The replays show that Hill had a mostly clean pocket and had he waited another beat, he would have had Cunningham wide open on the follow concept.
The fallout: There’s really no other way to put it than it cost the Rams the game. A touchdown there likely would have won it but if nothing else, the interception ensured that San Diego would win. An interception was the one thing the Rams couldn’t have happen in that situation and yet it’s exactly the one thing that did.
I don’t have any problems with the Rams throwing the ball there. In fact, the aggressive approach is welcome. But the play call itself wasn’t ideal. The Rams simply aren’t consistent enough executing the offense to remove all threat of the run before the play even begins. Sending Cunningham in motion and out for a pass would actually have worked had Hill seen him come open but either way, the Rams let San Diego know in advance that a pass was coming. Similar to the team’s 2013 loss at home to Seattle, the Rams couldn’t finish a late drive in part because they telegraphed their intentions before the snap.
wvParticipantI felt watching the game that the Rams were the better team,
but that San Diego had the better QB and the Rams kept getting called for too many critical penalties.After watching replay,
I did not think the rams had the better team.
I also did not think the Chargers had the better team.
It looked to me like neither team could really
take control of the game. It looked like one of
those games that either team could win, and whoever
had the ball last would win.I think they are about even at this point.
Course i agree Rivers is better than Hill.
And Rivers had to deal with the Rams pass-rush
and Hill did not.I enjoyed seeing Tavon and Stedman more
involved, btw.w
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Rampage2K – The Play had a fatal flawI was right there in that endzone, front row…( you might have saw me, good looking guy with the Faulk throwback on wink2 smiley) I recorded it on my phone as I was sure I was about to record an epic finish and win for the Rams…nope, I captured a horrible end to what was a very exciting game…
The play was doomed from the jump because there were no WR, TE or RB on the right side to threaten the OLB on that side, he simply sat back and watched the QB’s eyes and it was an easy pick as soon as he threw it…if they had simply ran an RB out in the flat to take the OLB out of the play,it would have captured an epic win , instead of an epic fail….
Don’t mind them going for the win right there, but there has to be a better play then that….don’t know why we didn’t run it there anyway and spin more clock… The Rams fought thru adversity( refs) and came back to win that game!!! Too bad it ended like that….they deserved that win.All the Charger fans in the building know they lucked out with that win….
Amazing how many Rams fans were there…it was crazy!!!
I met Jim Thomas in the parking lot tailgate and took a picture with him, cool dude..I had awesome seats in front row of the endzone that had most of the action including the end…the place was rocking!!!! I am going to watch in on dvr today to see how different it is on TV..
========================wvParticipantThis season has had the worst officiating I remember seeing… since the Replacement Refs season, anyway.
Yeah, i agree.
Obviously some of it has to be related
to the new emphasis on player-safety.
Theres a lot of ticky-tack stuff being called.I think the game is harder to officiate now
than it used to be.I’m in favor of using instant replay
for penalties now. They need to figure
out a way to do that.w
vNovember 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm in reply to: Rams open as 6 1/2 to 7 point favorites against the Raiders. #12444wvParticipantThe pressure is on.
Well, the Raiders have played a lot of teams
tough, but you can usually count on them
to make just enough bonehead plays to lose.This game could have eight turnovers
and 20 penalties and several
outright bench-clearing Brawls.
Too bad they
didnt choose it for Monday Night Football.w
vwvParticipantRams ain’t gonna end up with the 11th pick.
I will bet you a boatload of cheetos on it.
Heck they have 3 upcoming games against teams with (so far) HIGHER projected picks.
When was the last time the Rams played 7 top defenses in a row? Without their starting qb?
And now that’s over for a spell.Well i dunno.
Oakland
at Wash
Ariz
NYG
at SeattleI’m guessing they go 3-2
the rest of the way. That
would leave them at
7-9, and they’d be picking
somewhere around 13 or 14 or so.They are such a strange team.
A boneheaded young team without
a top QB or a No.1 WR.I watched the first half on Replay
and one thing about Hill is – he
is a bit of a gunslinger. More
like Favre than a ‘game manager’.
He was zinging it into tight windows
and just trusting Tavon/Stedman/Kendricks/Britt
to make the plays.I also thought the defense was oh-so-close
to killing Rivers numerous times, but Rivers
was just a millisecond smarter/quicker than
GW’s defense. GW gambled a lot but it
could have gone either way on those gambles.
IF he had just rushed four, Rivers might
have burned them deep, who knows.I was glad to see BS finally called a deep
pass for Tavon. Pass INT was called.
I think its a mistake not to trust Tavon
on medium and deep routes.Games full of called-penalties are not fun to watch.
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vwvParticipantFrom the Bernie article. Fisher stays the course.
“Well, that’s a good football team there. They were a playoff team last year. They’ve got a potential Hall of Fame quarterback (Philip Rivers), that’s playing really well. We’ve got to learn … until we put a couple in a row together, it’s going to always be hard for us. But these guys … I’m not going to change anything. I’m not going to ask them to change anything. We were pretty close to pulling this one off.”
“This is a tough one, yeah, considering who we’re playing,” he said. “Managing the game at the end, dealing with the officiating crew. It was, yeah, it was a tough one. I feel bad for the guys. You can’t blame those players in there. There’s no blame to be placed any place. Put it where you want, but this was a tough one. We’ve got a great locker room and a great group of guys. We’re disappointed and they’ll come back.”
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vwvParticipantHill throws away Rams’ chance to win
BY JIM THOMAS
SAN DIEGO, Calif. • Defeat came in a bitter dose for the Rams on Sunday at Qualcomm Stadium. With just over a minute to play, the Rams were on the doorstep of the end zone and a dramatic comeback victory over the San Diego Chargers.
But on second-and-goal from the San Diego 4, Shaun Hill’s crossing pass intended for WR Kenny Britt was picked off by Marcus Gilchrist right around the goal line. So much for momentum. So much for that dramatic comeback.
With only one timeout remaining, the Rams could stop the clock only once. So the result was a 27-24 victory for San Diego (7-4) on a day when the Rams had two TD passes called back because of penalty and had several chances to take control in the first half. At 4-7, the Rams must sweep their final five games to avoid their 11th straight non-winning season.
Things didn’t start well for Hill and the St. Louis offense. On the third play of the game for that unit, Hill threw a tad late to tight end Jared Cook to his right. Brandon Flowers swooped in for an interception and returned it nine yards to the St. Louis 34.
The Chargers got as far as the St. Louis 5 before settling for a Nick Novak field goal and an early 3-0 lead.
The Rams got some traction on their next possession, picking up four first downs on a long 8-minute drive. Overcoming two false starts and an offensive holding penalty (on Greg Robinson), the Rams reached the 4 before stalling.
Robinson’s penalty wiped out a 23-yard completion to Stedman Bailey. But the Rams got that yardage back _ and more _ on a 19-yard completion to Bailey coupled with a roughing the passer penalty by Dwight Freeney on the next play.
That gave the Rams a first down at the Chargers’ 11, but they could advance only to the 4 before running out of downs. Greg Zuerlein’s 22-yard field goal tied the game at 3-3 late in the first quarter.
The Rams tacked seven more points on the board not long after that kick. The Chargers marched quickly down the field and looked like they would come out of things with at least three points.
But on third-and-goal from the St. Louis 8, Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins stepped in front of a Philip Rivers pass intended for Keenan Allen. Jenkins intercepted the ball at the 1, and returned it 99 yards for a score.
It was the fifth “pick 6” and sixth defensive touchdown scored by Jenkins since he entered the league in 2012. The Rams had some chances to tack onto that lead, but came up short over the rest of the opening half.
On their next possession, a 46-yard field goal attempt by Zuerlein was blocked by San Diego’s Darrell Stuckey. After a three-and-out by the Chargers, Hill completed a 51-yard touchdown pass to Kenny Britt. But the play was called back because Robinson was flagged for grabbing the facemask of a San Diego pass rusher.
So the score remained 10-3 Rams until late in the second quarter, when San Diego mounted a successful 2-minute drive _ at least successful enough for a 48-yard Novak field goal with 2 seconds left in the half.
The Chargers picked away at the Rams’ defense with underneath routes the entire drive, leaking out backs and wide receivers against a soft-playing St. Louis secondary. So it was 10-6 Rams at the half.
The Chargers continued that tactic offensively in the third quarter. That approach worked well enough that San Diego steadily moved the ball downfield on its first possession of the second half. On first-and-10 from the St. Louis 32, Ryan Mathews gashed the Rams on a draw play _ the Chargers’ favorite running play in their playbook. Mathews went all the way to the end zone for a 32-yard TD and a 13-10 San Diego lead.
Things got worse before they got better for the Rams. On the Rams’ next possession, Robinson’s bad day continued. On second-and-10 from the 20, University of Illinois product Corey Liuget beat Robinson and knocked the ball loose from Hill for a fumble. Former University of Missouri linebacker Andrew Gachkar scooped up the loose ball and returned it 13 yards for a TD and a 20-10 Rams lead with 9:28 to play in the third quarter.
But the Rams caught a break when punt return man Allen muffed a Johnny Hekker punt and undrafted rookie Alex Bayer recovered for the Rams at the San Diego 21.
It took only three plays to get in the end zone, with the TD coming on a six-yard fly sweep by Tavon Austin for his first touchdown of the season. So it was 20-17 Chargers with 6:18 left to play in the third quarter, plenty of time for a Rams comeback.
The situation looked promising when San Diego got pinned back at its 9 after another Hekker punt. But San Diego marched methodically down the field for what looked like a back-breaking touchdown on a 29-yard bubble screen from Rivers to Allen that gave the home team a 27-17 lead.
But the Rams wouldn’t go quietly into the southern California sunset. Hill led a Rams drive that resulted in not one, but two TD catches by Bailey. The first _ a fade pattern to the left from the 4 _ was negated by a holding penalty, making it the second Rams TD catch to be negated by a penalty called by referee Carl Cheffers’ crew.
But two plays later Hill threw another fade pattern to Bailey for a score, this time to the right and from the 7-yard line. There were no flags this time, so the TD stood and San Diego clung to a 27-24 lead.
After forcing the Chargers to punt, it looked like Austin had given the Rams the lead with a 75-yard punt return that carried to about the San Diego 3. But once again their were flags, and the Rams took over at the Chargers 40 instead because of offsetting penalties.
Then on third-and-3 from the San Diego 33, Hill threw a deep corner route that was hauled in by Kenny Britt with a diving catch at the 6 with 1:09 to play.
But after a Benny Cunningham run to the 4, that’s where this day ended for the Rams.
November 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm in reply to: Rams can't overcome their own mistakes… (Chargers game reactions thread) #12403wvParticipantOn Greg Robinson
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LaramOnce again he gave up a blindside hit on his qb where he was blocking his man, then inexpicably lets him go.
I’m not talking about the type of error where its obvious its a mental error, like last week against Ware.
This could be a mental error to but its not as obvious. Its like he just quits.
He’s engaged, then lets the guy go right to the qb.
That costs the Rams 7 points right there, when there was no discernable reason for it to occur.
Just nuts.
====================November 23, 2014 at 8:59 pm in reply to: Rams can't overcome their own mistakes… (Chargers game reactions thread) #12400wvParticipantOn the INT
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Laram
when Benny motioned out into the formation he turns the lb around and he has an easy walk in TD.Frontside the safety was right in the flat, he lined up there and just squatted.
Hill knows he blew that badly!!!
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The passing efficiency that qb’s have against this defense is just miund boggling to me.Plus the run D sprung a leak again.
Like I said during the week, I’m not drinking the kool-aid on this D yet!!
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November 23, 2014 at 8:06 pm in reply to: Rams can't overcome their own mistakes… (Chargers game reactions thread) #12397wvParticipantDefense gave up 410 yards.
Matthews rushed 12 times for 105 yards.
Hill two INTs and the fumble.w
vwvParticipantGreg Williams video: on TJ and the play of the safeties
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wvParticipantI wanna see how they play in San Diego
before i say anything.Are they gonna go back to being
the ‘bad rams’ or can they
put it together two games in a row
against two winning-teams?We’ve been waiting a decade
to see them win two in a row
against winning-teams.w
vwvParticipantThat was depressing
Yup. A decade since
the Rams won two in a row
against winning teams.Ah well.
Maybe the times are
a changin,
in San Diego.
Maybe not.w
vwvParticipantWell if the Chargers Center
cant go, I might very well favor the Rams.w
vwvParticipantRams fans if your going to the game on Sunday in San Diego, come on over to lot P3. This is where the Rams party will be.
A large contingent of LA Rams fans will be on hand from the SoCal Rams Booster Club and Bring Back The Los Angeles Rams.Look forward to seeing you there.
Grits
Enjoy the game, Grits.
Bring home a win.w
vwvParticipantOne thing that surprised me was arm strength. Fisher said something about Hill’s arm being fresh from the time off (he did throw a lot in camp and preseason,more than he is used to) Britt remarked how he must have spent the time off in the weight room. When I rewatched the game somewhere between 4 and 4 million times his delivery looked much better,snappier than the long looping release on the last pass in game
Yeah, that was a great performance considering the
long layoff and the fact Quick wasn’t in the game, etc.Hill can zing it.
I’m not sure what his major weaknesses are.
He just seems like a solid, cagey NFL pocket-QB to me.
Like a Carson Palmer.w
vwvParticipantIf we take an OT #1 I am going to be pissed.
I want a MLB, an OC, a developmental QB, and a solid, route-running WR for depth.
OT for depth? Sure. But we have other needs to prioritize.Anyway, you’ve done it, haven’t you? Kicked off 6 months or more of draft talk. The consolation of the fan following a perpetually losing team!
Well, I guess everything kinda revolves
around the QB issue in the offseason.
Should be inter esting.w
vwvParticipant… and that issue, according to him, is that officials aren’t looking for this particular hold due to where they’re training their eyes during the play. That’s probably B.S., and it’s more likely that officials just aren’t going to call the hold almost every down…
Yup.
The league aint exactly on a mission
to help defenses.And it would make a mockery of the game
to call holding every other pass play.
Quinn is just ‘too’ good, apparently.w
vNovember 20, 2014 at 3:09 pm in reply to: "awaiting moderation," the mods, avatars, passwords, embedding, formatting, etc #12242wvParticipantWhy are we still ‘awaiting moderation‘
on this board?Maybe some of us want to be immoderate.
Or excessive, unreasonable and possibly
even intolerable.I wont even get into this
embedding thing.Btw, this is a good little board.
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vwvParticipantDerek Stanley on 101
November 20, 2014 at 2:39 pm in reply to: Rams defense, rankings last 3 games v. 10 game rankings #12239wvParticipantInteresting breakdown….seems like teams arent able to run so they pass pass pass. Ergo….the revival of sack city.
Think about this D,
once Barron gets up to speed
and C.Long hits his stride.Seattle could be in trouble
that last game. I hope
its not a meaningless game
for them. Nothing would make a
bigger statement for the Rams
than grinding out a win in Seattle.w
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wvParticipantI’m very sorry, Zooey–but if you don’t put it through the playoff machine it isn’t real. Those are simply your opinions. I have hard data. I have charts and stuff. And there is always the famous PA Ram “hunch”. I am bringing real solid stuff to the table here—and if anyone wants stock tips I can find some internet thing to help me pick those too.
This is not the 1970s anymore.I can go onto the internet and take scientific polls that will tell me what kind of rock band I am.
It’s all there in this crazy cyberspace thing.Zooey has always hated science,
Pa. Same as Nittany.I know this because i know
they are both Scorpios.I think the parade starts
at 9-7, btw. They’d have
to win 5 out of 6 for that.
And that aint happnin.
This young team still makes
too many bone-head plays
every game.w
vwvParticipantMack is a regular in the chat room during games.
Unlike you.But then you post regularly.
And he hasn’t been.Hmm. Wait minute.
Okay. That’s not hard to figure out is it.Which one of those 2 is the secret identity?
Or are they BOTH secret identities?Satan-Ram wears many guises.
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