Stats. Rams worst D in the West ?

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December 13, 2014 at 9:37 am #13788

wv
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Defense – Total Yards given up
Rams are only 21st (Seattle is 1st, SF is 3rd and ARIZONA is 26th. )

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense
Defense – Points given up — Rams are 13th (Cards are 2nd, Seattle 3rd, SF is 10th)

Looks like the other three defenses in the West
are still better than the Rams ?

How is it possible for Arizona to be 2nd in points given up
while only being 26th in yards allowed ?

Looks like Seattle and San Fran dont give up many Yards OR points.
But the Rams and the Cards give up a lot of Yards but not many Points.

I guess the Fisher-Arians defenses give up some big plays but
they stiffen in the redzone? I dunno.

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame
Offense — points per game
Rams are 21st (Seattle is 11th, Ariz is 23rd, SF is 26th)

The rankings for Yards per game is pretty similar.

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December 13, 2014 at 9:52 am #13790
HighPlainsDrifter
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The Rams numbers are inflated by some horrendous performances early in the season. Are the other defenses still better than the Rams? Perhaps, but the gap has closed significantly throughout the season and I tend to believe that the Rams’ defense is on a pretty good par with the 49ers right about now. The Seahawks and Cardinals are just a cut above right now. And maybe we’re looking at different charts, but NFL.com places the Cardinals at 14th in the league in yards allowed per game at 350, with the Rams 10th at 340. If you remove all of the turnovers that the Rams have committed that were returned for touchdowns (which is seven or eight, I believe), then their points allowed are much more comparable to the others as well.
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December 13, 2014 at 10:13 am #13792

wv
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HighPlainsDrifter wrote:

The Rams numbers are inflated by some horrendous performances early in the season. Are the other defenses still better than the Rams? Perhaps, but the gap has closed significantly throughout the season and I tend to believe that the Rams’ defense is on a pretty good par with the 49ers right about now. The Seahawks and Cardinals are just a cut above right now. And maybe we’re looking at different charts, but NFL.com places the Cardinals at 14th in the league in yards allowed per game at 350, with the Rams 10th at 340. If you remove all of the turnovers that the Rams have committed that were returned for touchdowns (which is seven or eight, I believe), then their points allowed are much more comparable to the others as well.

Well, i wonder if the Seattle/49er D’s
are ‘philosophically’ similar
and if the Arizona/Ram D’s are
philosophically similar?

Are the similarities and differences
due to personnel differences or
Defensive philosophy differences?

Are Greg Williams Ds and the Arizona Ds
always gonna trade Yards and big plays
for the chance to get strip-sacks and INTs, etc ?
High risk high reward defenses ?

As opposed to Seattle and SF which maybe,
possibly are more fundamentally sound
defenses ? I dunno.

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December 13, 2014 at 10:19 am #13793

sdram
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I agree HPD – slow start skewing the seasonal average. For the Rams, the defense is more of a deal of can you hear me now?

December 13, 2014 at 10:19 am #13794

nittany ram
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I wonder if those points given up numbers are adjusted for only scores allowed by the defense?

In other words, are all the points the offense gave up(pick six’s, fumbles returned for TD’s) taken out?

Because I saw a stat at several sites that said if you counted only those points given up by the defense, then the Rams are second only to Seattle in points allowed.

December 13, 2014 at 10:32 am #13795

zn
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wv wrote:

Defense – Total Yards given up
Rams are only 21st (Seattle is 1st, SF is 3rd and ARIZONA is 26th. )

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense

Defense – Points given up — Rams are 13th (Cards are 2nd, Seattle 3rd, SF is 10th)

Looks like the other three defenses in the West
are still better than the Rams ?

How is it possible for Arizona to be 2nd in points given up
while only being 26th in yards allowed ?

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HighPlainsDrifter wrote:

The Rams numbers are inflated by some horrendous performances early in the season. Are the other defenses still better than the Rams? Perhaps, but the gap has closed significantly throughout the season

I agree with HPD. I always say season-long averages can be deceptive. The Rams D changed during the year. I think their season divides in half. The first 7 games (ending with the KC game), then the next 7 games (starting with the 2nd SF game).

As for ARZ, PRF lists them as 14th in total yards allowed.

NFL.com lists them as 6th in yards per game.

December 13, 2014 at 10:35 am #13796

HighPlainsDrifter
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I think those pairings are very defensible. Todd Bowles and Gregg Williams run defenses that are very much risk/reward defenses. I think the big difference between Arizona and St. Louis is that the Cards have Peterson and Rogers-Cromartie at corner and the Rams have Jenkins and Johnson. A lot of times high risk defensive philosophies mean leaving your corners unsupported and that certainly plays into the Cards’ wheelhouse more so than the Rams. But the Rams are getting better in that respect. I think the 49ers and the Seahawks play a little more straight up, fundamentally sound defensive schemes, and since the Seahawks have what might be the best secondary in the NFL, they win.

December 13, 2014 at 10:42 am #13797

zn
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Are Greg Williams Ds and the Arizona Ds
always gonna trade Yards and big plays
for the chance to get strip-sacks and INTs, etc ?
High risk high reward defenses ?

As opposed to Seattle and SF which maybe,
possibly are more fundamentally sound
defenses ? I dunno.

Well to me, it’s not the difference between wild and crazy guys v. fundamentally sound.

Seattle and SF work on lining up and beating you on the basis of the defenders knowing their roles inside/out.

Arz and the Rams will mix packages and will match up according to the opponent. For example, ARz is primarily a 3/4 team but against the Rams, they played primarily a 4/3.

That doesn’t have to mean trading yards etc. for big plays.

December 15, 2014 at 11:02 pm #13946

Mackeyser
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Actually no. The Rams D actually is 2nd in the NFL in points surrendered.

The problem is “points against” are credited to the D which makes the D look bad when those should be credited to the offense, STs or “other”.

Prior to the AZ game, Seattle led the league with 221 pts given up on D, St. Louis was 2nd with 222.

PATs aren’t counted against the D, iirc, as they are ST plays and thus allow 2pt conversions to be allocated properly with STs with the PATs as ST points.

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December 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm #14066

bnw
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Most teams would be happy to have the Rams defense. Been more fun watching them than the offense the last few games.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

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