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wvParticipantThe Rams were the most self-destructive team
in the NFL. Maybe they need to learn
to love themselves. Maybe they need
to find inner peace.It goes without saying that
that must have factored into Fisher’s
notion to ‘simplify’ things a bit on offense,
as well as beef up the OLine.w
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wvParticipantI wonder which team will be next.
I mean, he can probably pay
for another plane ticket.w
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wvParticipantA Karl Marx quote, fwiw:
“there is one great fact, characteristic of this our nineteenth century, a fact which no party dares deny. On the one hand, there have started into life industrial and scientific forces which no epoch of former human history had ever suspected. On the other hand, there exist symptoms of decay, far surpassing the horrors recorded of the latter times of the Roman empire. In our days everything seems pregnant with its contrary. Machinery, gifted with the wonderful power of shortening and fructifying human labor, we behold starving and overworking it. The new-fangled sources of wealth, by some strange weird spell, are turned into sources of want. The victories of art seem bought by the loss of character. At the same pace that mankind masters nature, man seems to become enslaved to other men or to his own infamy. Even the pure light of science seems unable to shine but on the dark background of ignorance. All our invention and progress seem to result in endowing material forces with intellectual life, and in stultifying human life into a material force.”
https://zcomm.org/recent-quotes/page/26/
wvParticipantI’m getting ‘more’ mentally lazy in my old age. Actually, the doubling rule of thumb thing would have it at 30 X 2 = 60 X 2 = 120 X 2 = 240 so 240 Million is approximate answer and then add to it whatever the LA market glamour factor. If one doesn’t think it’s worth much, let the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim owner know that too.
I’m not even sure I understand the principle
behind the “relocation fee.” Why, exactly
does one owner have to pay the other owners money
in order to move a team? Whats the logic there?
I mean if the League makes a bit ‘more’ money
with a team in LA — then shouldnt ‘they’
pay Kroenke to move to LA ?w
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wvParticipantAnother random quote,
i came across. I do not know
who this ‘Carpentier’ is, btw :“…I was a terrible history student. They taught me history as if it were a visit to a wax museum or to the land of the dead. I was over twenty before I discovered that the past was neither quiet nor mute. I discovered it reading novels by Carpentier and poems by Neruda. I discovered it listening to stories over coffee about some old, very old, warrior on the Uruguayan plains who kept his tired eyelids open with orangewood twigs while he speared enemy horsemen on the point of his lance. Asking and wondering, from where did this planet that we inabit come? This planet that spends a million dollars on arms every minute, so that every minute thirty children can die of disease or hunger and no one is accused. Asking and wondering: This world, this slaughterhouse, this nuthouse, is this the work of God or man? What past time gave birth to this present? Why have some countries become owners of other countries, and some men owners of other men, and men owners of women, and women of children, and things owners of people?
I am not a historian. I am a writer obsessed with remembering, with remembering the past of America above all, and above all that of Latin America, intimate land condemned to amnesia.”Eduardo Galeano, We Say No 1992
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May 25, 2015 at 1:04 pm in reply to: what the college spread & new CBA did to OL coaching (Rams come up) #25255
wvParticipantInteresting what Boudreau actually said about Greg Robinson —
“..Greg Robinson as a rookie has more talent and is a better player than Willie Roaf. Willie had a great coach…”w
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wvParticipantJust curious — Did Georgia have to pay a
Relocation fee back in 95 ? What was it?edit: yes. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-13/news/mn-54268_1_rams-owner
TJ Simers – LA Times
April 1995IRVING, Tex. — The Los Angeles Rams are history, officially gone from Anaheim to St. Louis after winning the National Football League’s blessing Wednesday with a $46-million payment.
In addition to a $29-million relocation fee, the Rams agreed to pay $17 million from the proceeds of personal seat licenses, which are one-time fees for rights to buy season tickets.
Twenty-three of the 30 league owners must approve a franchise move, and they voted 22 to 6 in favor Wednesday, with the Los Angeles Raiders abstaining. Rams owner Georgia Frontiere, who had been asked to remain outside during the special meeting, was then called on to cast the deciding vote.
“I thought about it for a few minutes,” she joked.
“My grandmother had a saying: ‘Go little where wanted, go not at all where little wanted.’ And that’s about the way it’s been (in Anaheim). I think they will be better off too,” Frontiere said.
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wvParticipantIf you dont like War,
maybe you should just move
to North Korea.w
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wvParticipantNot Utopian at all.
The powerful will always exploit the non-powerful for their own gains.
The film was incredibly sad to me. I’ve never been in those men’s shoes. I’ve never had that few limited options or that sort of hopelessness. While I’ve thought at times that I may have underachieved a bit(just a bit) it doesn’t matter because, I’m doing what I want to do–living a simple life, a secure life(at least as secure as anyone can hope to have)and I’ve provided for my family. They’ve never wanted for anything, never gone hungry, my kids have had the opportunity for higher education. I have no regrets. I’ve been very fortunate.
I have not been in the sort of desperate situation those men are, from where I am now(middle class), to where I’ve come from(and I would consider that lower middle class to borderline poor). I’ve not had bad choices or less bad choices as my options.
These men are affected not just by circumstance, but also by the environment that has emerged from that, a violent Darwinian culture.
I am grateful not to have lived their lives.
Well, as i have learned more about life
and politics in my old age,
I have come to despise…Corporate-Capitalism.
Thats all i’m gonna say.w
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“The basic law of capitalism is you or I, not both you and I.”
Karl Liebknecht“The rule of law does not do away with the unequal distribution of wealth and power,
but reinforces that inequality with the authority of law.”
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May 25, 2015 at 8:43 am in reply to: what the college spread & new CBA did to OL coaching (Rams come up) #25239
wvParticipantINteresting.
I’m sure none of the coaches like the CBA restrictions.
I just wonder if the players actually like
the restrictions. Maybe Greg Robinson
would have ‘wanted’ to talk to the pro coaches
earlier.w
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wvParticipantGreat post, Pa.
This aint a Utopian society
we have goin here, is it.Sigh
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wvParticipantThey’ve had a good defense – why mess with it?
I dunno, about them 49ers, this year.
I could see them finishing last.w
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wvParticipantI was wrong about Austin Davis.
I thought he was going to be really good,
but he proved to have some serious limitations.w
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wvParticipant16 and 0 this year RFL.
I’m tellin ya — this is our year!w
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“I love Zack and he knows that. But this is exactly where we differ!
Zack is in the fetal position, but my head is in the oven! No amount of semantics can change this.”
Zooey’d For Life
wvParticipant“Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present.”
William Lloyd Garrison
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wvParticipantI saw it. Yup – Road Warrior on steroids and acid.
Its awesome to look at. Fast and furious — much like the GSOT
in the Viking playoff game.Long, long chase scenes. With no humor. Not like Indiana Jones
chase scenes.If Salvadore Dali took some speed, and made a movie, it might look
like this one.w
vPersonally, my only complaint (and it’s minor, really) is that I don’t like Hardy’s Max as much as Miller’s Max.
Miller’s Max was a burned out, cynical loner who knew he had more skill and resources than anyone he faced. In the end he doesn’t even help the refinery people because he cares…he does so because he has no choice. His signature line is “I am the best chance you’ve got.” He’s always bargaining. Contracts are big in that movie.
The Gyro Captain: Look, we had a deal. I show you the gas, and you let me go, right?
Max: The arrangement was I wouldn’t kill you.
The Gyro Captain: After all I’ve done for you…
Max: I reckon you got a bargain, didn’t you?Hardy’s Max is more of a burned out homeless guy. A homeless guy who talks to himself. He changes in the course of the film and identifies with Furioso out of sheer sympathy, and a chance for redemption by helping.
I am not complaining about that part.
I just personally liked the Miller Max better because this Max is too victimized and even comic. More Buster Keaton. For example his moments of high action effectiveness (like with the tank/car in the night…”that’s not his blood”…) come out of nowhere.
I thought the clunkiest scenes were the two
(I think there were two?) where one of the characters
expressly used the word “redemption.”The writing in those scenes lacked subtlety, nuance.
As far as the difference in the two Max’s — I agree
with you about the first Max, but I really dont have
any idea who this Max was. Other than the ‘haunted by guilt’
aspect, i really didnt pick up on any character development at all.
There just wasn’t much there.I am guessing the Next Max movie will be the opposite — lots
of character development and a lot less car crashing.w
vWell he goes from being the haunted loner who is willing to just drive off and leave them there to the guy who talks them into their (to avoid spoilers) endgame strategy. He does it because he identifies with the pain of someone else.
Also remember he gives blood twice, for 2 different reasons. The second one shows he has changed.
So they was some character development IMO.
I just don’t particularly care for this Max v. the old Max, yet at the same time it’s a very minor complaint.
I have no clue what was going on with the blood in the tube,
when he’s strapped to the car, early on. WTF was going on there?
I had thought his blood was maybe running the vehicle,
but the person i saw the movie with said no.w
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wvParticipantI saw it. Yup – Road Warrior on steroids and acid.
Its awesome to look at. Fast and furious — much like the GSOT
in the Viking playoff game.Long, long chase scenes. With no humor. Not like Indiana Jones
chase scenes.If Salvadore Dali took some speed, and made a movie, it might look
like this one.w
vPersonally, my only complaint (and it’s minor, really) is that I don’t like Hardy’s Max as much as Miller’s Max.
Miller’s Max was a burned out, cynical loner who knew he had more skill and resources than anyone he faced. In the end he doesn’t even help the refinery people because he cares…he does so because he has no choice. His signature line is “I am the best chance you’ve got.” He’s always bargaining. Contracts are big in that movie.
The Gyro Captain: Look, we had a deal. I show you the gas, and you let me go, right?
Max: The arrangement was I wouldn’t kill you.
The Gyro Captain: After all I’ve done for you…
Max: I reckon you got a bargain, didn’t you?Hardy’s Max is more of a burned out homeless guy. A homeless guy who talks to himself. He changes in the course of the film and identifies with Furioso out of sheer sympathy, and a chance for redemption by helping.
I am not complaining about that part.
I just personally liked the Miller Max better because this Max is too victimized and even comic. More Buster Keaton. For example his moments of high action effectiveness (like with the tank/car in the night…”that’s not his blood”…) come out of nowhere.
I thought the clunkiest scenes were the two
(I think there were two?) where one of the characters
expressly used the word “redemption.”The writing in those scenes lacked subtlety, nuance.
As far as the difference in the two Max’s — I agree
with you about the first Max, but I really dont have
any idea who this Max was. Other than the ‘haunted by guilt’
aspect, i really didnt pick up on any character development at all.
There just wasn’t much there.I am guessing the Next Max movie will be the opposite — lots
of character development and a lot less car crashing.w
vMay 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm in reply to: How do you feel about a starting tackle pair of Robinson & Havenstein? #25106
wvParticipantJokes aside, actually yer right.
Threads like this are supposed to be free-for-alls of different views,
not “who’s right” death matches.Ok, fine, but where is the
“who’s right Death Match thread” ?w
vMay 22, 2015 at 9:52 am in reply to: Don Shula accused of pushing painkillers in ex-NFL players' lawsuit #25088
wvParticipantOld School Culture,
Meet the New School Culture.w
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wvParticipantI saw it. Yup – Road Warrior on steroids and acid.
Its awesome to look at. Fast and furious — much like the GSOT
in the Viking playoff game.Long, long chase scenes. With no humor. Not like Indiana Jones
chase scenes.If Salvadore Dali took some speed, and made a movie, it might look
like this one.w
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May 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm in reply to: Brady to be suspended…which will happen…when? a May-July saga #25064
wvParticipantRevis speaks his mind
dont he.w
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wvParticipantI’m in favor of adopting the New England formula:
1 Great Coach
2 Great QB
3 Intelligent, mentally-tough, team-first players who dont need to cheat to win.
4 Lots of cheatingw
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wvParticipantYeah, i posted about that book a while back. It was a pretty lame
book, but the part about Belichick’s “let thurman run” strategy was
very interesting. It was a tough sales job on the Giant defenders,
and I’m not sure they really bought into it.At any rate, i agree with zn that passing and running
mesh with one another. One helps the other.
Being one dimensional is a flaw, i would say.Having said that, if i had to be one-dimensional,
I’d rather have a good passing team, in today’s NFL.The disagreements I’ve seen on the internetz
about Running vs Passing, always tend to sound like
“magnifcation of minor differences” to me, btw.w
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wvParticipant13. The NFL has long held the belief that the LA market is a crowned jewel, a holy grail waiting for the bravest knight to pull the sword from the stone. They have held onto this treasure for 20 years, and it has served the NFL very well, getting new stadiums built in various cites around the league. It strikes me as odd that the NFL will now give this prized treasure to two owners, Spanos and Davis, who have so little means that they both need league support just to get their stadium built, and have flailed in their own markets without any hint of a move to LA until Kroenke made his play. Why reward these two owners for their apparent incompetence, sitting on their hands for years but accomplishing nothing? What did they do to deserve the LA market? Fortune favors the bold.
this. if the league were fair and just, the rams would stay in st. louis. the chargers and raiders would move to los angeles…
we should know better than this.
Well, if the league were fair and just, the Rams wouldnt
have moved away from LA.Then again, if the league were fair and just, maybe
they wouldnt have moved out of Cleveland.Then again….etc, and so forth.
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wvParticipantNot that the 25%ers will believe it.
Yes, and as per usual, the voting-public,
will continue the insanity of voting for
Corporate-lying-Duplicats, and
Corporate-lying-Replicants.The insanity will go on,
for all the reasons we’ve talked about
over the years.Go Rams.
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vMay 21, 2015 at 10:58 am in reply to: How do you feel about a starting tackle pair of Robinson & Havenstein? #25030
wvParticipantI’m feeling like the Rams are taking another mulligan year, frankly.
Let’s go 2016.No way, dude.
I like the idea of a young, healthy, mauling, ornery OLine.
I like this team. Playoffs, this year.
Maybe even a Home playoff game. In St.Louis. O dear.
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wvParticipantThe Raiders should stay in Oakland.
They belong in Oakland.To me, the Oakland Raiders are one of those special
teams, like Dallas, Green Bay. Maybe Pittsburgh.
You just dont mess around with those institutions.The Oakland owner should sell the team to someone
richer, and keep them where they belong. In Oakland.…can you imagine, the Raiders
moving to a midwest town like St.Louis Missouri?
Its anathema.w
vSo what do you propose for the good folks of St. Louis, since you have already moved the Rams to Los Angeles?
I mean…besides, obviously, the MLS.
Promise them the first expansion team,
I guess.Or tell them to do what 99 percent of the rest of us do:
Watch the damn games on tv.w
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wvParticipantThe Raiders should stay in Oakland.
They belong in Oakland.To me, the Oakland Raiders are one of those special
teams, like Dallas, Green Bay. Maybe Pittsburgh.
You just dont mess around with those institutions.The Oakland owner should sell the team to someone
richer, and keep them where they belong. In Oakland.…can you imagine, the Raiders
moving to a midwest town like St.Louis Missouri?
Its anathema.w
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wvParticipantBut we don’t run that system….so not seeing the relevance there.
Not clear what you;re responding to there, H.
West Coast Offense.
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wvParticipantThis is all going to be very interesting when it gets to the finish line.
It’s musical chairs and someone is not getting a chair.
The team that “feels” like the odd team out is Oakland. Maybe that’s just because they’ve been the quietest team during all this. There is no doubt that the Chargers and Rams are full speed ahead toward L.A. but because their moves involve two different stadiums, something has to give somewhere. At some point the NFL will have to get Spanos and Kroenke and Davis in a room and lock the door and not come out until it’s all sorted out and even then–if things go badly you have to wonder if teams will say “screw it” and do what they want to do anyway.
I still feel, at the end of the day, that somehow it’s going to be the Rams and Chargers but nothing is carved in stone yet.
We’ll see.
Well, I dont like the idea of ‘sharing’
a stadium. I dont want the Rams
sharing a stadium with the Chargers,
or heaven-forbid, the Raiders.Sharing is goofy. I dont like it.
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