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December 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm in reply to: 101 – Matt Bowen sure likes Greg Williams … + Wagoner #15051
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Participantwv wrote:
Wagoner cautions that reaching for a QB
can lead to problems:2011
Jake Locker went 8th
Tyron smith 9thGabbert 10th
JJ Watt 11thChristian Ponder 12th
Robert Quinn 14thYes but consider it in reverse.
2014, Rams take Aaron Donald.
Could have had Johnny Manziel.I’m ready for the first game of the 2015 season ;
I’m tired of the offseason.What year of the rebuild are we in
now, btw? I forget. Is this year
Seven or Year Eight?w
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vDecember 30, 2014 at 6:52 pm in reply to: 101 – Matt Bowen sure likes Greg Williams … + Wagoner #15049wv
ParticipantWagoner cautions that reaching for a QB
can lead to problems:2011
Jake Locker went 8th
Tyron smith 9thGabbert 10th
JJ Watt 11thChristian Ponder 12th
Robert Quinn 14thDecember 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm in reply to: according to you what are the best & worst games of 2014 #15031wv
ParticipantThree worst games for me,
were the Viking game
and the Charger game,
and the Giant gameDenver obviously was
the best game.w
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ParticipantQuit calling runs straight up the middle when there has been nothing there all day. All year. Please?
This year so far, 33% of Mason’s runs have been up the middle. The majority (44%) have been to the left. Actually Sunday reversed that with Mason anyway because out of 11 carries, they ran 4 to the left and 5 up the middle. My guess is they did that just to keep the defense honest and thinking middle. I would imagine that with the OL as banged up as it is (plus starting a rookie), they can’t afford to just concede the middle and instead bang at it to set up other plays. If that’s true, arguably it worked because they did get a couple of good runs to the left and right.
Well its a reasonable approach,
but i dont think it was the best approach.
I dont think the ‘setting up’ part outweighs
the “second and nine” part.I dunno.
Its a tough situation for BS to be in though.
Its purt-near-impossible to play this game
with a lame middle-of-the-Oline.w
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ParticipantI think this is kind of like just after the 1998 season and the Rams were about to can Dick Vermeil. They forced him to make changes to his staff and to bring in Martz as the OC. I think Fisher is only fooling himself if he thinks the offense will be any better next season with Schottenheimer. There are at least 4 guys who are OCs that are better than Schottenheimer, and they are available. Trestman, Chudzinski, Mike Shanahan, Mike Martz.
Grits
Well, I am tired of bonehead mistakes on offense
and defense. So, the last thing i want
is for the players on either unit to have to learn
a new System.Fisher and these coaches are gonna get a
Year FOUR. Expectations will be high.
Let us see what they do.w
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Participant“I think if you asked anybody in this locker room, they would tell you we’ve got to finish better,” safety T.J. McDonald said. “That’s one thing we need to understand. We’ve just got to finish better as a group regardless.”
I keep seeing terms like this — “we need to finish better.”
Those are utterly meaningless phrases
and i wish the coach and players would stop
using them. Finish better. Might as well say
“we need to score more points than the other team.”Having said that, its a tough position to be in.
Being asked “Why dont you win more?” — tough question.
I mean what are they supposed to say?What would ‘we’ say? Whats the list
of reasons they still lose?1 They cant keep their starting QB healthy
2 They didnt learn the GW defense quickly
3 They still make crucial coverage mistakes
4 Still lots of youth at key positions (G.Robinson)
5 Fisher doesnt seem to get them ready to play early in the year
6 Key injuries – Quick, J.Long
7 Key personnel decisions were bad – J.Long, Wells, The Guard who’s name i forget
8 Critical weak links on the Oline — you cant play offense with a weak middle of the Oline
9 Numerous, maddening, idiotic, Killer, bonehead Mistakes. (Muffs, INTs, Pick-6’s, Fumbles, Penalties, missed-assigments, reflecting some of the aspects of 1 thru 8 )w
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ParticipantI’m tellin ya, there will be a coupla good QBs
coming out of this class besides Mariota and Winston.
…i just dont know who 🙂
This guy could be inter esting
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1776297/brandon-bridgew
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———————–http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/QB
Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round
1 *Marcus Mariota QB 1 Oregon rJr 6-4 215 1
3 *Jameis Winston QB 2 Florida State 6-4 232 1
43 *Brett Hundley QB 3 UCLA rJr 6-3 227 2
64 *Dak Prescott QB 4 Mississippi St 6-1 230 2
92 Bryce Petty QB 5 Baylor rSr 6-3 230 3
119 Garrett Grayson QB 6 Colorado State 6-2 220 3-4
131 Shane Carden QB 7 East Carolina 6-2 221 4
156 Brandon Bridge QB 8 South Alabama 6-5 235 4-5
172 Cody Fajardo QB 9 Nevada rSr 6-2 215 5
190 Sean Mannion QB 10 Oregon State 6-5 220 5-6
228 Bo Wallace QB 11 Ole Miss 6-4 217 6-7
241 Blake Sims QB 12 Alabama rSr 6-0 208 7wv
ParticipantYeah, the first foot was just football
but the second was just Suh.I’m surprised they didnt suspend
him for longer.w
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ParticipantI forget, is this a deep draft? Does it have a good top (blue chippers high)? What are its strengths? I am no draftnik. I am content to merely have a parasitical relationship to real draftniks.
Every board has a couple. It gets fun if you read them all and they say things that contradict one another. That way, what you look for is the range of opinions.
It will take several weeks to get a sense of that, if you’re me.
All I know is, if Merlin Olsen is there at the 10 spot…take him.
From my own research
i believe this is the year
to draft a Goalie high.w
vDecember 29, 2014 at 12:20 pm in reply to: Yep, about what I expected: Seattle game reactions #14912wv
ParticipantWow. Another long offseason looking forward to nothing but another long offseason. I don’t know what it is that keeps me coming back. I really don’t.
Yeah, i think i said 24-9 or somethin like that.
I didnt think the Rams would be able to score a TD
on that D in Seattle, with Hill and that OLine.
I figured Seattle would wear them down and make
a big play sooner or later.7-8-1
7-9
6-10
Ah well.…wait till next year 🙂
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ParticipantI just look at it like — it depends on what
the Draft Board looks like. Also
what the free agency board looks like.They desperately need better interior play.
They cant run the ball without a better interior Oline.
And if they cant run, the QB wont matter.So, somehow, someway, they need to make SURE
they find a Center and a Guard.Its year Four. They need to make sure,
they find two very solid players.
If that means taking the best Guard with
the Ten spot, so be it. If it means
trading down, so be it. Free agency? Fine.
something else? Fine. But they need
to get it right.w
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ParticipantI wouldn’t call him the black James Bond.
I’d call him a good or bad James Bond based on how well he played the role.
James Bond wasn’t fucking BLOND, either, btw… remember all the uproar over THAT?
Well, after Skyfall, which is arguably the best Bond movie, EVER… not many are arguing about Daniel Craig as a legitimate Bond.
If Idris Elba knocks it out of the park, it won’t matter.
But… the minute Idris Elba kisses a white woman, some folks will lose their shit…
And frankly, I have dark thoughts about those people…
I would call him another actor
who has made a ton of money
playing in another
stupid bond movie.w
vDecember 28, 2014 at 2:58 pm in reply to: from the leaked Patriots scouting report on Manziel #14834wv
ParticipantThe Browns also fined Manziel on Saturday for being late for treatment on his injured hamstring, a source told ESPN. Less than 24 hours later, rookie cornerback Justin Gilbert was deactivated for Sunday’s season finale against the Baltimore Ravens after missing a team meeting the previous night, a source told ESPN.
Both Manziel and Gordon were absent from the Browns’ walk-through on Saturday morning, and the team had trouble locating them, a source close to the team told ESPN.
Manziel had to be present for either the walk-through or, since he was on injured reserve, treatment on the hamstring. When he did not show for either, the team had to search for him. Browns security visited Manziel’s home Saturday morning to check on the rookie quarterback about his treatment, sources told ESPN.
My Shadenfreude
overflows.w
vDecember 28, 2014 at 12:03 pm in reply to: from the leaked Patriots scouting report on Manziel #14826wv
ParticipantI thought I read this last spring before or around the draft? The NFL is the big boy league. It’s looking like Johnnie ain’t gonna get a chance unless he truly shows signs he’s growing on the inside.
Yeah, but who would you pick
in a celebrity, reality-show, steel cage match:
Tebow or Manziel ?w
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ParticipantSure, they’ve improved slightly every year
despite the static record.They used to have lots of holes.
Now we are down to two —
interior of the Oline,
and QB.IF, Snisher can solve those
two issues, they should get
to the ten-win range next year.
(barring injuries, etc)That will ‘still’ leave my own
major question unanswered. I
know Fisher can turn them into “winners”.
I know he can get them into the playoffs.But can he go all the way and win a Ring?
I have my doubts.
Granted, its a tough job.w
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December 28, 2014 at 11:43 am in reply to: from the leaked Patriots scouting report on Manziel #14821wv
ParticipantPA Ram wrote:
I always felt he would be boom or bust.It’s looking like bust.
I thought of him as either bust or complete hilarious meltdown.
So far he is holding at bust, but it’s not over yet.
I’d rather have Tebow.
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ParticipantBlanda was from Pennsylvania. I can understand that you’d want a Pennsylvania guy behind center for the team
but since he’s passed away
I believe the better choice is Joe “Wille” Namath. He’s been there before. And he’s from Pennsylvania.And being from Pennsylvania is the important thing anyway.
But Blanda is an Elite dead-qb.
You never pass on an
enite QB.Btw, do you Realize
that the Super Bowl this year is going to be
The Patriots vs The Seahawks —Does it get any worse than that?
How shall we handle that?
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ParticipantI don’t think, in terms of a back-up QB, you can do much better than Shaun Hill.
I hope they can sign him.
I think I’d like them to go after
George Blanda.w
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ParticipantI’ve read Wilson’s rushing stats numerous times
but they always startle me. One tends to think of
M.Vick as a great runner and Randall Cuningham, etc —
But little Russell Wilson is right there with them.I wonder how fast he actually is, btw?
(edit: according to the article below
he ran a 4.55 at the combine)w
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http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40740272…see link…Wilson had a quiet combine. He ran a 4.55-second forty. He measured 5-foot-11. He threw spirals in shorts. Wilson was fast, but the draft had a designated “fast” quarterback in Tannehill. (Griffin was fast too, of course, but the heartthrobs were their own category.) Wilson was short and plucky, but the draft had a designated “short/plucky” quarterback in Kellen Moore. Wilson played minor-league baseball and bounced between college programs, but the draft already had a designated knock-around prospect in Brandon Weeden. Wilson did not fit the archetypes. I don’t even remember Wilson’s press conference; unlike Luck and Griffin’s showstoppers, it took place during the chaos when two or three prospects spoke simultaneously on different rostrums. Wilson was low priority.
We learned later that he was blowing away the private interviews, prompting arguments in scouting departments about whether he would last into the middle rounds. Wilson’s merits were a closely guarded secret for many teams as they slid him up their draft boards.
Wilson remained a trade secret during a long winter and spring of coronation festivities for the heartthrobs. Televised pro-day workouts showcased Luck and Griffin as they completed passes in empty practice facilities, wearing compression shirts and gym shorts. Scouting services and blogs breathlessly reported their completion rates, as if lobbing a fade to an uncovered Kendall Wright in a Waco gym was a feat worthy of statistical analysis. Tannehill got his chance to demonstrate his health and athleticism in late March, while NFL teams paired off with the available free agents: Manning to the Broncos, Matt Flynn to the Seahawks, nobody with a better option to the Dolphins.
Wilson’s workout at Wisconsin was not televised. Russ Lande, one of the best draftniks in the business, filed a report for Sporting News. Lande wrote that Wilson was “impressive,” but he did not get to Wilson until the eighth paragraph of a 10-paragraph article, after center Peter Konz, guard Kevin Zeitler and receiver Nick Toon.
That sort of thing just did not happen to Luck or Griffin.
Lande praised Wilson’s arm, and he confirmed what the kids said at the Senior Bowl and the coaches whispered behind closed doors at the combine. “A source who attended the workout said Wisconsin coaches considered Wilson the best leader to come through the program in many years.”
If only leadership made him three inches taller.
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December 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm in reply to: Russ Lande explains why cutting ties with Bradford is best option for Rams #14744wv
Participantwv wrote:
The answer is obvious — Sign Geno Smith. Draft Kevin White.
Then just start the WVU QB and the three WVU WRs.Actually, Geno Smith is one that I think could be a good choice. Two others I like would be Mike Glennon and EJ Manuel. All three of these would have to be obtained in a trade. But all three of them would be, IMO, a significant upgrade to Hill or Davis.
Of the free agents, Mark Sanchez, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert are names that interest me. It just depends on what Fisher and Shotty thinks.
Well, my least favorites on that list are Sanchez and Gabbert.
My main wish is that they find a couple of Healthy Studs
for the OLine.
For the love of God, can we see a topnotch OLine again
in my lifetime ?w
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ParticipantSeattle’s D is on a franchise record-setting pace
the last 5 games or so. They’ve allowed, 3, 3, 14, 7 and 6 points.They’ve played two teams twice in that time: SF and Ariz.
(Ranked 23rd and 28th on offense)
Philly ranked no.5 on offense.Rams rank 25 on offense, fwiw.
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12 Sun, Nov 23 Arizona 19-3 W
13 Thu, Nov 27 @ San Francisco 19-3 W
14 Sun, Dec 07 @ Philadelphia 24-14 W
15 Sun, Dec 14 San Francisco 17-7 W
16 Sun, Dec 21 @ Arizona 35-6 W17 Sun, Dec 28 St. Louis 4:25 PM ET
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vDecember 26, 2014 at 11:19 am in reply to: Russ Lande explains why cutting ties with Bradford is best option for Rams #14733wv
ParticipantLooking at the names on the list, there is no good option this year.
Just get a fairly solid guy and build the offensive line.
To me that’s the thing to do this year–don’t trade for a Cutler and give him huge money–invest in a free agent guard or center–then draft a good one and another one.
Try to resign Hill and Bradford at a fair price–even Davis and go with that three-headed monster behind a better line.
I do want them drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
But this is not a QB year for them. Their best hope is that Bradford suddenly becomes Iron Man and can finally claim the throne and be steady. The other options all stink.
Build the O-line.
The answer is obvious — Sign Geno Smith. Draft Kevin White.
Then just start the WVU QB and the three WVU WRs.And try and get PacMan Jones
while they are at it.Sky’s the limit.
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ParticipantRams offensive line has to play well – offensively. If Rams can move the ball, score some points, not turn the ball over then the whole game won’t be on the defense to win or lose it.
Yeah, its about the Oline.
And after the last two weeks
I aint real optimisitc.Rams 9
Seahawks 24One pick 6,
and one Wells-snap over Hill’s head,
and one Tre Mason fumble.w
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Participant“He knows how to pull it in the zone read at the right time,” Laurinaitis said. “He’ll just hand it to Marshawn over and over, and it seems like right at the right moment — where a team’s maybe within one score — he’ll decide to pull it and it’s a 65-yard run. And you’re like, ‘Goodness.’”
Laurinaitiis is the only middle linebacker
ive ever heard say things like
“goodness.”I dont recall Jack Lambert or
Ray Lewis or Dick Butkis
using such language.w
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Participantjrry32
Schotty frustrates me at times but I don’t know of many fan-bases that like their OC. I will say that watching this team week after week, I don’t think Schotty is the problem. Tavon’s usage frustrates me but I also don’t think Tavon is “there” yet as a WR. I would like to see him used more on deep routes but that’s digressing from my point. The guy called a great game today [Giants game] and the offense has overachieved this year with the QB play and IOL play we have. I’d keep Schotty. The guy deserves a full year with a starting caliber QB.
I think arguably that our offense has overachieved. Our QB play this year has been a major issue and it’s hard for an OC to look good when his QB misses a lot of plays. I don’t think there are a lot of OCs out there that could do much with Hill and Davis at QB. To add onto the QB woes, we lost our #1 WR and our starting LT early in the season. Davin Joseph and Scott Wells have been bad. We’re not winning the LOS because Joseph and Wells severely limit what we can do. They have arguably been the worst players at their positions this year. And our offense has to work to compensate for the liabilities they are in the middle of the OL. Our C and RG can’t be relied upon in the run game and we have to design blocking schemes to cover for their issues. It seems like a lot of our success running it comes outside the tackles or on misdirection such as counters and traps. I don’t notice a lot of success running the ball inside the tackles to the front-side of the play. And we’re breaking in a rookie LT. Actually both our RT and LT have had consistency issues because Joe Barksdale has struggled the second half of the year. And our WR/TE corp is much better this year but still not the best in this league.
I’m not saying the guy needs to have the perfect offense…but is it too much to ask for Schotty to have an offense with average talent before we judge him? So…lets fix our interior and lets stabilize the QB situation.
I’m not concerned about the defense. They’ll be fine. They’re still in their first year in a new scheme with a lot of young players. I think we’re pretty set aside from depth and upgrading on adequate starters. You don’t need an All Pro at every position and you can’t afford an All Pro at every position. Defensively, next year, we could be top 5.
Today [Giants game] sucked but even the 2000 Ravens gave up 36 points to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Our defense had a bad day. Beckham’s two TDs came off blown coverages. I lay that at the feet of the players. Trumaine playing like he was hung over certainly helped them with that.
On the long Beckham TD. Mark Barron wasn’t supposed to be on an island. That’s the blown coverage. You can see it if you watch the replay. Trumaine seems shocked that Joyner is doubling his guy. And I would be too because based on my knowledge of our scheme and that coverage, Joyner should have been carrying Beckham Jr. up the field in trail position with Barron over the top. He hung Barron out to dry. But that’s the issue with rookies. They make mental errors. And it’s probably why Joyner hasn’t been playing as much lately…he’s still adjusting to the scheme.
Yeah, i tend to agree with a lot of that.
This little board is a bit different than most,
in that i think there’s a consensus on this board
that BS is Not part of the problem. He’s had to deal
with the Bradford injuries the Jake Long gimpiness
the young WRs, injuries on the Oline, etc. Its hard
to tell what he would do with a talented, healthy, experienced,
offense.w
vDecember 25, 2014 at 1:23 pm in reply to: Russ Lande explains why cutting ties with Bradford is best option for Rams #14710wv
Participantyup. quite frankly the way he snapped his ligament worries me more. and now with a second tear i am positive the outcomes go down. not by much but they do go down.
i think he’s done personally. although i understand the reasons for keeping him.
Well I’m wondering if he will look a bit like
Trent Green looked when he came back from his surgery.
Ya know. He could throw but there was definitely some
gimpy-ness and a loss of speed and agility. Green had
a different kind of surgery i guess, but still this is a
second surgery for Sam.I know one thing — every single time Sam goes down
we are gonna be holding our collective breath.Lets hope itz a great Comeback Story.
Who knows, i might turn out that way.w
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ParticipantWell I wonder if Roger Saffold will be able to
lift and train in the offseason if he’s
going to have surgery.w
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ParticipantAnd sack #s don’t count as much btw if you consider sack percentage. So while Seattle is 32nd in passing attempts, they’re also 28th in sack percentage… which is a bad combo.
Well the fact that RW has had to deal with a lot of sack-pressure
and still only has six INTs, may indicate
that he handles/manages pressure a lot better
than most QBs.w
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ParticipantSeattle Defense
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defenseNo.1 in the NFL in fewest points per game: 16.5
(Rams are 14th)No.1 in the NFL in yards given up per game: 268.6
(Rams are 18th)No.1 in the NFL in passing yards given up per game: 184
(Rams are 19th)No.3 in the NFL in rushing yards given up per game: 84.1
(Rams are 14th)December 24, 2014 at 8:59 pm in reply to: Tweets – 12/23 /Quinn and Donald make the Pro Bowl – 12/24 – fines #14691wv
ParticipantReally though, I wouldn’t be that surprised if Fisher started Jones. I am reading Fisher’s mind……
I cant imagine that. I think Jones would get kilt.
Better to start the one-armed Wells.I think BS should keep
everyone in to pass-block
and just have Hill throw the ball
up to Britt now and then.w
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