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  • in reply to: Foles ranked 24th among QBs #27039
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    A note about Foles that i didnt know, from Wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Foles
    “….Foles also excelled at basketball, where he started three years, twice received team MVP honors,[5] and was recruited by Georgetown, Baylor, and Texas….”

    Those are big-time schools. He must have been a damn fine athlete.
    I hope he still is.

    You know Foles’ “down” year wasnt all ‘that’ bad. I mean an 80 rating
    isnt great but we’ve all seen worse.

    Foles’ play during the first half of this 2014 season in stark contrast to his Pro Bowl season of 2013 has “soured” some in the organization, including general manager Howie Roseman, according to sources.

    In 10 starts in 2013 Foles threw 27 touchdown passes to just two interceptions, completed 64 percent of his passes and had a league-high quarterback rating of 119.2. This season, in eight starts Foles has thrown 13 touchdown passes and 10 interceptions and has a quarterback rating of 81.9.

    “I think Howie is looking at quarterbacks,” a league source told NJ.com. “He’s kind of soured on Foles, and I don’t think he’s alone. The organization isn’t sold that he’s the guy going forward.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/11/04/nick-foles-reportedly-wont-need-surgery-but-some-doubt-his-future-with-the-eagles-anyway/

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    in reply to: Science of Injustice #27034
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    How would that work? Trial by transcript?

    You know how those WEE games work — where you move and on the screen
    the image moves with you — i suppose thats how it would work.
    The humans would talk and move, but the Jury would see the IMAGES
    and images would not show any ‘race’ or gender or weight or age etc. Maybe
    the images would look like sexless robots or somethin.
    That way no-one on the jury would know if the witness or lawyer
    was black or white, etc, unless they had to testify about
    their race, etc. I dunno. Thats all i can figure.

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    in reply to: Albert Haynesworth: Letter to My Younger Self #27033
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    Now ‘that’ was a good read.

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    Yes I would say it is the mega mainstream media shilling for profit and manufacturing public opinion. And thanks for the PS from way over here.

    Were you involved in any of the great Political Board Disasters or meltdowns
    of the past bnw ? Some of the old-time-regulars on this board
    have seen some Uuuugly stuff. Lots of good stuff too. Mixed bag, over the years.

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    in reply to: Science of Injustice #27011
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    A virtual trial?

    Seems goofy, and it will never happen, but his reasoning
    is…reasonable:

    “….And why I recommend it is there [are] so many biases that psychologist have uncovered … [that] shouldn’t determine the outcome [of a trial] — what color of skin the attorney representing the accused has or whether he has, you know, a particular inflection. And yet we know that those things matter. It matters how attractive the witness is. Well, that shouldn’t matter. And so I think a move to virtual trials would allow us to control for a lot of the things which are currently skewing outcomes. And I don’t think it’s as radical as it might seem. There are certain constitutional problems related to the confrontation clause [the right to confront your accuser]. … We have already made exceptions in a lot of different areas…”

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    I present in a manner no different than others. I post what I find interesting and that which might stimulate conversation. The facts I post are verifiable whereas the acceptance of the facts is a choice. I am well aware here my ideological premise can be a distinct minority.

    Well, my first question would be “which media are we talking about?” The big
    mega mainstream corporate-capitalist media like Fox, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR ? That media?

    My second question would be “who OWNS the media that you are talking about? I would
    think that finding out who actually OWNS those media-corporations would have
    some relevance to the question about “what kinds of biases are reflected in the media?”

    PS — I respect the fact that you have represented the ‘right’ on this board, in a civil manner
    bnw. I dont think its a secret that most of us old timey regulars that migrated to this board
    are lefties. But you have managed to have your say without being all nasty about it — and that
    aint easy when discussing politix/religion/culture. I have seen many-a-board blow up over political
    differences. So far we have all done a good job of listening, sharing and not killing one another 🙂

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    in reply to: Nick Foles invents a play in Philadelphia Eagles' win #27001
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    “…While it wasn’t exactly the Annexation of Puerto Rico,
    and there were no sticks-in-the-dirt diagrams, Foles’ 22-yard pass to wide receiver Jason Avant on fourth-and-5 with 16 seconds remaining to set up the game-winning touchdown was conjured up by the rookie…”

    I think a truly elite QB
    would have been able to
    Annex Puerto Rico.

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    in reply to: NFC West Q&A: Carson Palmer #26992
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    He’s a gamer. A wily, veteran, starting-caliber QB.

    Probly wont last 16 games though — so, the key for the Cards is:
    Will they have him for the playoffs.

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    Yeah, nothin wrong with making a chart like that,
    but it can only ‘start’ the discussion.

    Fact is every single team on there had its own
    story — I mean, take the Cards — they had a starting QB
    for a big part of the season, but then they lost him
    at crunch time, and their playoff hopes disappeared.
    Due to ONE injury.

    Ya cant really analyze the effects of injuries with
    one chart. But you see that kind of thing on the Net
    all the time. Not just in sports.

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    in reply to: Rams News Recap: July 2 #26963
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    Finding That Third Year “Breakout” Receiver Has Been Difficult For the St. Louis Rams

    By Brandon Bate @NoPlanB_ on Jul 3, 2015, 9:08a 17

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    Torry Holt did it. Vincent Jackson did it. What third year Rams’ receiver can eclipse 1,000 yards?

    You’ve probably heard it before…”Player X is due to have a breakout, Vincent Jackson-like, third year as a receiver in the NFL.” Jackson, drafted by the Chargers in 2005, only played half the season in his rookie year, but eclipsed 1,000 yards [with 7 touchdowns] in his third full season in the league. And he’s proven the ability to maintain similar, if not better, stats since [with the exception of an injured year in 2010, and a quiet 2014 season].

    If you’re a St. Louis Rams’ fan, you’ve probably also heard “_____ hasn’t been done since Torry Holt.” And whether it’s receptions, yards, or touchdowns, it’s all true. Holt, like Jackson, wasted no time establishing himself as a legitimate threat in the league. He amassed nearly 800 yards in his rookie year [1999], and surpassed 1,000 yards in just his second year.

    Both had stellar seasons in their third year in the NFL, and continued to do so for the remainder of their careers. But replicating that kind of production – and finding that potential breakout candidate/consistent deep threat – has been a struggle for the Rams ever since…

    – The Rams have drafted 19 wide receivers since 1999. Eight of them either weren’t in the league three years later, or didn’t tally a single reception in their third year.

    – Only three of the 19 have surpassed 500 yards. Only one, Holt, has eclipsed 1,000.

    – They’ve drafted eleven receivers between 2005 and 2012. They combined [third year only] for 85 receptions, 1,098 yards, and 8 touchdowns. Four of the eleven [excluding Avery; injury] didn’t catch a football in their third year. Two of them, Gilyard and Salas, had already found new homes before the onset of their third season.

    – This year’s eligible third year breakout candidates consist of the Mountaineer duo, Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey. Austin has 71 catches for 660 yards and four touchdowns in his first two seasons. Bailey, who missed two games in 2014, has tallied 47 catches, 661 yards, and one touchdown heading into his third season. Brian Quick, who draws the VJAX reference more than most, is also in consideration having missed nine games last season due to injury.

    If you didn’t catch it in this morning’s Random Ramsdom, NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks has pegged Tavon Austin [along with Nick Foles] as one of the league’s potential “Heavyweight Hookup” duos for the 2015 season.

    Can Austin have that oft-referenced third year breakout season? Or did Brooks pick the wrong receiver? Will any Rams’ receiver be able compile stats similar to that of Holt and Jackson in their third year?

    in reply to: Gaining steam- States Rights #26957
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    I stopped reading when i read this:
    “…Republicans and conservatives – are those who traditionally have been the most supportive of the Constitution…”

    That’s just an opinion. Not provable. Not a ‘fact.’

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    in reply to: Rams News Recap: July 1 #26951
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    via Rambill

    Finding the Fits: Rams hoping Jamon Brown provides ‘iron’ at RG
    By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
    July 2, 2015 1:34 pm ET

    http://www.cbssports.com

    This is part of a series — Finding the Fits — in which NFLDraftScout.com will review the more intriguing picks made during the 2015 NFL Draft. The goal is to identify one relatively unheralded player per team who appears to be a good schematic fit and, therefore, more likely to be a surprise contributor early in his pro career.

    St. Louis’ best fit: OG Jamon Brown, Louisville, No. 72 overall

    Fans in St. Louis know better than most that it doesn’t matter how much talent a quarterback or running back possesses if he isn’t surrounded by equal ability (and durability) on the offensive line. Struggles up front contributed to Sam Bradford’s failure to live up to expectations as the No. 1 overall pick of the 2010 draft and frustration for former Rams’ star Steven Jackson, who rarely was provided clear rushing lanes to take full advantage of his talent.

    As such, while optimism is high in St. Louis for new quarterback Nick Foles and potential star rookie running back Todd Gurley, there remain concerns about how quickly an offensive line expected to field three new starters in 2015 — including two rookies — can gel.

    Unfamiliarity will be an issue, especially on the right side where the Rams hope to plug in second rounder Rob Havenstein at tackle and slide third rounder Jamon Brown inside to guard. Talent and schematic fit, however, won’t be.

    While Havenstein is viewed as somewhat of a “plug and play” at right tackle due to his 42 career starts at run-heavy Wisconsin, Brown is more of a projection as only his very first start (of 40) came at guard and that was on the left side back in 2011. That didn’t stop the Rams from plugging the 6-foot-4, 323 pounder with the starters during OTAs.

    Like Havenstein (and last year’s No. 2 overall pick Greg Robinson), Brown’s game is based on power. He’s athletic enough to get to the second level, boasting surprising initial quickness for a man of his size but isn’t light enough on his feet to handle today’s speed rushers, which is he ranked low among tackles on NFLDraftScout.com’s rankings.

    Brown is at his best simply mauling defenders at the point of attack, utilizing his long arms (34 3/8″winking smiley and leg drive to generate movement – making him a better fit at guard in the NFL in a run-heavy, power-based scheme rather than the relatively finesse approach most teams expect from tackles in today’s pass-happy attacks.

    Fortunately for St. Louis, Brown has a proven track record of handling challenges. He initially signed with Louisville as a defensive tackle but he capably handled the switch to the other side when injuries along the offensive line forced him to start at left guard after only a handful of practices there. Further, he stood out at the East-West Shrine Game after earning All-ACC recognition after the past two seasons.

    Brown is certainly facing a challenge in St. Louis where he’s competing against veteran Brandon Washington for the spot vacated when the Rams elected not to re-sign Davin Joseph. Further, he’s receiving a baptism by fire by practicing against arguably the league’s most gifted defensive line.

    “My motto has always been, ‘Iron sharpens iron,’ so you want to have a lot of good guys around you to be able to push you and kind of make you play to the best of your ability all the time,” Brown said. “When you do that, everyone gets better. So iron sharpens iron is the motto.”

    Jamon Brown started out as a defensive end at Louisville. Jamon Brown started out as a defensive end at Louisville. (USATSI)

    Other thoughts on the Rams’ 2015 draft class:

    The Rams are expected to take things slow with Gurley, who, of course, was unable to work out for scouts prior to the draft due to his recovery from surgery to repair a torn ACL. Once he gets onto the field, however, it won’t take long for Gurley to prove why I’ve consistently compared him to Seattle’s All-Pro Marshawn Lynch. Gurley possesses even better straight-line speed than the Seahawks’ star and plays with a brand of physicality and power that could rightly be described as “Beast Mode.” Because the Rams are likely to ease Gurley onto the field and may initially struggle with cohesion along the offensive line, he may not enjoy the immediate impact in St. Louis that fellow first round running back Melvin Gordon could see playing with established quarterback Philip Rivers and the San Diego Chargers. Gurley has the look of a future All-Pro, however, and provides Fisher with the Eddie George-like battering “Ram” that helped him enjoy such success with the Houston Oilers and Tennessee Titans.

    By investing the No. 10 overall pick in Gurley and half of the club’s other eight picks in big, brawling offensive linemen, Fisher and general manager Les Snead certainly made improving the running game a priority. Given that the Rams have finished just 19th in the league in yards per carry average since Fisher took over, that wasn’t a surprise. There is no question that Havenstein, Brown, Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann have the potential to improve the Rams’ rushing attack but each is relatively slow-footed in pass protection, which could make Foles a sitting duck against the athletic fronts he’ll face in the hyper-aggressive NFC West.

    While Foles does not possess ideal mobility to escape the pocket, he does have the height, football intelligence and enough arm talent to be successful as a starter if complemented by a strong running game and defense. That also summarizes Sean Mannion, the Rams’ second pick of the third round, as well. Mannion certainly looks and acts the part of a pro quarterback and his success against quality competition speaks for itself. He holds the Pac-12 record for career passing yards (13,600) and came from a pro-style attack also built around a commitment to the run, frequent quick screens and deep passes to counter when opponents cheated up to stop either. These traits make Mannion a potential future starting candidate in Fisher and new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti’s scheme. If he’s to make that happen, however, Mannion must speed up his delivery and improve the velocity of passes to the perimeter.

    St. Louis’ 2015 draft class:

    1st Round, No. 10 overall: RB Todd Gurley, Georgia

    2nd Round, No. 57 overall: OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

    3rd Round, No. 72 overall: OG Jamon Brown, Louisville

    3rd Round, No. 89 overall: QB Sean Mannion, Oregon State

    4th Round, No. 119 overall: OL Andrew Donnal, Iowa

    6th Round, No. 201 overall: WR Bud Sasser, Missouri

    6th Round, No. 215 overall: OL Cody Wichmann, Fresno State

    7th Round, No. 224 overall: ILB Bryce Hager, Baylor

    7th Round, No. 227 overall: DE Martin Ifedi, Memphis

    — Key Undrafted Free Agents Signed:

    RB Malcolm Brown, Texas

    DB Imoan Claiborne, Northwestern

    DT Louis Trinca-Pasat, Iowa

    in reply to: just the obvious stuff on the confederate flag #26947
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    “Just as most Northerners did not fight to end slavery, most Southerners did not fight to preserve it,” wrote James I. Robertson, Jr. in Tenting Tonight.

    “By and large, owning slaves was the privilege of the well-to-do. The rank and file of the Southern armies was composed of farmers and laborers who volunteered to protect home and everything dear from Northern invaders, to keep their traditions and be left alone.”

    http://vaudc.org/confed_vets.html

    Well, its complicated aint it. You got lots of issues involving class, and patriarchy. and slavery, etc.

    I have no doubt the rich and poor in the South had some different interests,
    and the rich and poor in the North had some
    different interests. Indeed. Same as now.

    But there were some shared interests too, i would think. I mean if the poor in the South,
    didnt support slavery then why did they continue to VOTE for pro-slavery politicians?

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    in reply to: just the obvious stuff on the confederate flag #26935
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    What about bathtubs ?

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    in reply to: just the obvious stuff on the confederate flag #26918
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    BTW, fwiw, I, personally,
    dont think much of the American flag,
    either.

    To me it just represents Tribalism, as well as,
    genocide, ethnic cleansing, corporate-power,
    consumerism, and slavery. Wage slavery.

    The only flag i will ever salute is the one
    that shows the picture of the whole EARTH
    with no divisions, countries or tribes.

    Have a nice day 🙂

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    in reply to: This is the first post to the forum — June 29, 2014 #26872
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    No, i did not see that.

    Wonder what happened to ole RM.

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    in reply to: time for the "how did you become a Rams fan" thread #26868
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    WV: “You know i wrote a letter to the LA Times way back in the 80’s and it got
    published. You probably read it, many years ago. They titled it “A View from Afar”.
    I was complaining about the LA fans booing the Rams after a playoff loss or somethin.
    I’ve tried to find a copy of that letter but i cant seem to find it.”

    That was probably the Giant/Ram playoff game in Anaheim. I was there with my son and Robinson took out Dickerson to put in Crutchfield with 2d and goal from the 4 yd line. He had done that at least a million times during the season even though Dickerson was having the best rooking running season of any back ever. Anyway, sitting behind us was a family of Giant fans. One of the mothers had a 3 month old baby. When Crutchfield came in the baby-believe it or not-says “watch they’re gonna give it to Crutchfield” Sure enough.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-07-31/sports/8501310740_1_camp-fullback-dwayne-crutchfield

    I have never heard the Prima-teen-Mist excuse,
    before:

    …Disappointed, he left the Dolphins` camp. It was his fiancee, Carol Macri, who came to his rescue.
    When I had tried out with the Dolphins, I had been dieting for two days, Crutchfield said. I had been taking Lasix 40 (a form of the diuretic used to prevent bleeding in racehorses), and my weight had gone from 250 to about 239. When I came here to try out, I took some Primateen Mist to help clear my head. I took one hit, then I felt stuffed so I took another. I read the label and it said only take two hits at the most. By the time I read it, I had already taken four.
    My fiancee told me to call Coach Shula and explain what happened. He told me he would give me another chance.

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    in reply to: This is the first post to the forum — June 29, 2014 #26867
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    Good to see you again, RM.

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    in reply to: Rams News Recap: June 27 #26864
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    Yeah Ive seen those stats and…i dunno. Im not sure they match
    up with my eyeball test. There’s been plenty of games where Long
    just seems to disappear, it seems to me. I do think he’s ‘good’ when healthy
    but i dunno about “4th or 5th ranking’ good. Maybe.

    Well no matter who keeps track of the numbers, Long is always up there when you count hurries and hits along with sacks.

    Sometimes you need numbers because the eyeball isn’t enough.

    This is always accompanied by stats that measure how well opponents run at the Rams right defensive end. In 2012, they were 9th in that. In 2013, 8th. In 2014, with Long out part of the time and not 100% the rest, they were 19th.

    Well do you think he’s one of the top five DE’s
    in the game?

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    in reply to: just the obvious stuff on the confederate flag #26858
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    I don’t believe there is much “misguided” pride.

    I’m pretty sure that is sophistry.

    I’m pretty confident that nobody – NOBODY – is oblivious to the racist quality of that flag, even if they don’t endorse it whole-heartedly. I will allow that it is possible that some people care much more about the Southern Pride thing. But I do not believe that they are ignorant of how it offends descendants of slaves, and lots of other people, too.

    I dunno, Zooey. Every other pick-up-truck in WV
    has the stars and bars on it. I’ve talked to a lot
    of those folks and a lot are unrepentant racists,
    and a lot seem to be…somethin else. Insensitive,
    and usually angry for sure, but I’m not so sure
    the word ‘racist’ would fit. Its complicated.

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    nittany ram wrote:
    If they broke that down by position and then did a top 10 (or even top 5) list for each position you would see the names of many former Rams players. Not just Orlando Pace.

    This is a big part of why I think an all-time Ram team would stand up to anyone’s all-time team. They’ve had great running teams and great passing teams. They’ve had teams that grind and teams that score at will. They’ve had great defenses. But they have had elite lines on both sides.

    If you put the Rams’ all-time offensive line in front of Warner, Faulk, and Dickerson, with Bruce, Holt, Hakim, or whoever you pick to catch passes, and put together an all-time Rams defensive unit, I’ll take my chances against anyone’s all-time team.

    Well, you would need a great coach too, and I dunno if the best Ram coaches
    would be able to outfox, the Bill Walshes, Bill Belichicks, Tom Landry’s, Chuck Nolls, etc.

    I guess it would be either George Allen or Dick Vermeil, as coach.

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    Well, yeah, not a Deacon or a Quinn,
    but he had 13 sacks in 2011 and 11.5 in 2012 — If he
    can repeat that kind of play, and Donald
    and Quinn play well — could be interesting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Long

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    Long is also very productive, especially when you factor in hits and hurries.

    I like the PFF “pass rushing production” stat, a rating which measures pressure created on a per snap basis with weighting toward sacks.

    Long’s PRP ratings (and bear in mind starting in 2012, he rotated with Hayes). Looking at his best years starting in year 3:

    2013: 13th
    2012: 5th
    2011: 4th
    2010: 11th

    I don’t count 2014 because he was injured last year. In fact, it’s only in the off-season that he reported being 100%. He played still banged-up, recovering from the injury.

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    Yeah Ive seen those stats and…i dunno. Im not sure they match
    up with my eyeball test. There’s been plenty of games where Long
    just seems to disappear, it seems to me. I do think he’s ‘good’ when healthy
    but i dunno about “4th or 5th ranking’ good. Maybe.

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    hmmmm, must be celebrating that notable achievement from 1194 – Sverre is crowned King of Norway.

    Royal cake and ice cream perhaps?

    http://www.historyorb.com/day/june/29

    I dunno. I was thinking it was this:

    1940 – Batman Comics, mobsters rubbed out a circus highwire team known as the Flying Graysons, leaving their son Dick (Robin) an orphan

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    DE Chris Long Could Have A Career Year In 2015
    I’ve been a fan of St. Louis Rams defensive end Chris Long since his 2008 NFL Draft day.

    I think we’ve heard this before. Like, every year after his first.

    Look. Chris Long is OK. He is sound and fairly smart. He gets some pressure on the QB. But he has never seemed to me to be a special player. And he damn sure isn’t going to start piling up sacks this year after not doing it for the 6 previous seasons.

    But every year, we have people saying “Look for Chris Long to break out …”

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake me when it happens.

    Well, yeah, not a Deacon or a Quinn,
    but he had 13 sacks in 2011 and 11.5 in 2012 — If he
    can repeat that kind of play, and Donald
    and Quinn play well — could be interesting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Long
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    in reply to: time for the "how did you become a Rams fan" thread #26844
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    Just so many WV. One that stands out is because it was one of my first memories. 1949 in the rain-Coliseum-Rams playing the Eagles for the NFL Championship. Pouring, pouring rain. Mom was afraid I would die soaking wet. So she kept giving me a flask with bourbon-I think Jim Beam-so I would stay warm. On the Eagle side of the Coliseum. Rams could not do anything in the mud but the Eagles HOF fullback Steve Van Buren could. Eagles 14-Rams 0.

    Another: was at the 51 NFL Championship game against the Browns in the Coliseum. Van Brocklin to Fears -71 yards for winning TD. We (mom and I again) were on the 20 yd line Ram side right where Van Brocklin let the pass go.

    Lucky enough to be at most if not all the significant Ram games at the Coliseum when they were there including the Tony Guillory blocked punt and Gabriel to Casey in the corner!

    Was there when Marchetti tore off Les Richter’s helmet and beat him over the head with it. Directly in front of where I was sitting. Terrible scene.

    Lots more including the initial game played in St. Louis at Edward Jones. The real story there is staying in a bed and breakfast in East St. Louis-that’s right East St. Louis if you catch my drift.

    You should write them all down someday, and then post them.

    You know i wrote a letter to the LA Times way back in the 80’s and it got
    published. You probably read it, many years ago. They titled it “A View from Afar”.
    I was complaining about the LA fans booing the Rams after a playoff loss or somethin.
    I’ve tried to find a copy of that letter but i cant seem to find it.

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    It pains me when these politicians are so in their bubble that it doesn’t occur to them that before speaking that they should have someone use fucking GOOGLE.

    I mean… we’re not talking an exhaustive Lexis/Nexis search here… it’s Google. The actual history of the Confederate Flag isn’t all that hard to KNOW. It’s not a matter of lost history or a matter of conjecture left to faith or opinion.

    We know it.

    It’s a known thing.

    Which is why these statements in light of the facts are so offensive. They aren’t political soft shoe. They’re offensive.

    Like I said… Politics is pornography for polite society…

    You know it when you see it, right?

    Well maybe just a bit of devil’s-advocacy here, but
    things ‘do’ change meanings. Things morph. Things are ideologically elastic.
    So, maybe to many white folks the confed-flag means “honor” or Anti-big-Government”
    or “chivalry” or some such thing. It may not “mean” racism to everyone.

    So, then the very “meaning” of the flag is contested ideological ground.

    Who gets to decide what “it means” ? And is the “history of the flag” the only factor
    in determining what it means “now” ?

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    What zn said. Besides, just because a flag comes to represent something different than its historical meaning for some people doesn’t negate its original meaning. Nor does that make it easier for the people who have suffered under that banner. That’s the argument Redskins supporters use. “The name doesn’t have the same meaning as it used too…” Oh yeah? For whom?
    Would it be ok to fly the Nazi flag over a government building in a state where 30% of the population is Jewish just because the meaning of the swastika may have a different connotation today for some people?

    Well thats exactly what i was thinking about — the Redskin issue. There are plenty of
    Washington fans who seem to think it doesnt matter what the R-word ‘used to mean’ but
    what matters is what it means ‘now’ — and to THEM, it means pride, honor, blah blah blah.

    Now i dont like the R-word or the Stars and Bars,
    but i think that any discussion about issues like that
    needs to address that notion that ‘meanings change’.

    I personally, would change the R-word on the helmets
    and take down the stars/bars — but i ‘do’ recognize
    and acknowledge that them there symbols dont mean
    the same thing to everyone and meanings do change.
    Just something to mull over.

    I think my point might be that not everyone
    who likes the redskin label or stars and bars
    is “racist”. I guess thats my point.

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    • This reply was modified 10 years, 8 months ago by Avatar photowv.
    in reply to: just the obvious stuff on the confederate flag #26828
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    It pains me when these politicians are so in their bubble that it doesn’t occur to them that before speaking that they should have someone use fucking GOOGLE.

    I mean… we’re not talking an exhaustive Lexis/Nexis search here… it’s Google. The actual history of the Confederate Flag isn’t all that hard to KNOW. It’s not a matter of lost history or a matter of conjecture left to faith or opinion.

    We know it.

    It’s a known thing.

    Which is why these statements in light of the facts are so offensive. They aren’t political soft shoe. They’re offensive.

    Like I said… Politics is pornography for polite society…

    You know it when you see it, right?

    Well maybe just a bit of devil’s-advocacy here, but
    things ‘do’ change meanings. Things morph. Things are ideologically elastic.
    So, maybe to many white folks the confed-flag means “honor” or Anti-big-Government”
    or “chivalry” or some such thing. It may not “mean” racism to everyone.

    So, then the very “meaning” of the flag is contested ideological ground.

    Who gets to decide what “it means” ? And is the “history of the flag” the only factor
    in determining what it means “now” ?

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    in reply to: time for the "how did you become a Rams fan" thread #26827
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    This story has been written before -but here goes: After my father was lost in WW2 my mother had to go to work. One of her bosses somehow became involved with the Rams as their statistician when they arrived here (L.A.) from Cleveland in 1946. Knowing I was fatherless he introduced me to some of the all time greats including Hirsch, Fears, Waterfield (hence my board name), etc. As they say: the rest is history.

    Why dont you tell us a story from those
    early times. A memory.

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