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April 17, 2016 at 2:24 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42182
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ParticipantOn MTC on Friday Pat Kirwan said he saw some Drew Brees in Goff.
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ParticipantIt’s just a typical YouTube highlight video.
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April 16, 2016 at 5:16 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42123canadaram
ParticipantNorth Dakota State isn’t Division II. It’s Division I AA. There’s a big gap between I AA and II. The NFL has many players from I AA programs. Some notable I AA QBs include Phil Simms, Joe Flacco, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon…oh, and Kurt Warner.
Yes, I know. I’m just clinging to his Montana comparison. It’s part of my campaign to force myself to like Goff when he’s inevitably picked by the Rams.
April 16, 2016 at 4:53 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42120canadaram
ParticipantThere’s also this from Drew Boylhart:
@TheRamsFan I don't believe for a minute Rams moved up to draft a division 2 QB. Its Goff all the way. He reminds me of Montana
— Drew Boylhart (@DrewBoylhart) April 16, 2016
April 16, 2016 at 10:19 am in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42087canadaram
Participantif it makes you feel better boylhart has wentz graded as a second rounder.
Yes, I noticed that. I enjoy reading Drew’s profiles.
He likes Lynch a lot. He loved Tebow too.
April 16, 2016 at 9:37 am in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42078canadaram
ParticipantDon’t worry about it. Honest, it’s no time for mods to be hyper-categorical. This move (the trade) was a big deal. Do as you wish in discussing it.
The healing and the learning continues.
http://www.ancestry.ca/name-origin?surname=goff
Goff Name Meaning Welsh: nickname for a red-haired person (see Gough).English (of Cornish and Breton origin): occupational name from Cornish and Breton goff ‘smith’ (cognate with Gaelic gobha). The surname is common in East Anglia, where it is of Breton origin, introduced by followers of William the Conqueror.Irish: reduced form of McGoff.
April 16, 2016 at 8:50 am in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42071canadaram
ParticipantHere’s what Drew Boylhart has to say about Goff’s strengths. (Mods: I won’t post any more of these in this thread. It’s just part of the healing process for me.)
STRENGTHS
Jared is another quarterback who has improved in every game I have seen him in this year. He has excellent arm talent to make all the throws with touch when needed along with accuracy and velocity that is expected from a top quarterback for the next level. Jared has a very quick release plus quick feet that help him to set up quickly and keep his balance to execute with outstanding accuracy when he throws the ball. He plays with a healthy fear of personal failure that drives him to succeed and improve. He is demanding of the players around him and because of his accuracy and football intelligence, has the respect of his teammates on the field. Jared gets rid of the ball quickly because he is able to read defenses at the college level and look for mismatches in the passing game. He obviously patterns and copies his set ups and drops (from under center) on Peyton Manning’s style and in doing so, has improved dramatically from the first game of this season to the last bowl game. Jared has franchise talent and potential.April 16, 2016 at 8:44 am in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42069canadaram
ParticipantI would very much prefer Wentz. However, I am now convinced that it will be Goff. The mystery is over for me. I am spending the next 12 days scouring the internet for Goff draft profiles and only reading the “Strengths” sections. I need to sell myself on Goff.
Here’s what Dane Brugler has to say about Goff’s strengths:
STRENGTHS: Good height for the position with the body type to add weight and fill out…outstanding feet, set-up quickness and release, displaying the lower body mechanics to easily come to balance and throw in rhythm – terrific pocket presence to float from pressure with his eyes downfield and buy extra half seconds…climbs the pocket with controlled steps…fundamentals don’t break down when the play does and capable of the correct spontaneous decision…cerebral passing instincts with a strong understanding of anticipation and timing, throwing receivers open…very good self-evaluator and learns from his mistakes…quick trigger and spins a pretty ball with the velocity to drive it and make all the necessary throws…improved eye use to hold defenders, keep the middle of the field open…very good placement to give his receivers a chance to catch-and-go with the touch to deliver tight-windowed throws between levels of the defense…sees the field well pre-snap to get a head start on his progressions…patient to work through his reads, feeling the rush, not looking at the rush…has the stones to stay tough in the pocket even with the hit coming…improved recognition skills pre-snap to identify pressures and find the hot route on blitzes…not a statue, showing enough athleticism to move the pocket and pick up yards as a rusher…trusts his teammates with a steady demeanor regardless of down-and-distance or what the scoreboard says – played behind a spotty offensive line and with receivers who had high drop rates…effective pooch punter, averaging 37.7 yards per punt (12/452), including six inside the opponents’ 20-yard line…two-year team captain (voted by his teammates) – ultra-reserved and laid back personality…athletic bloodlines – father (Jeff) was an All- American baseball catcher at Cal and played seven seasons in MLB (1990-96)…started every game the last three seasons (37 career starts)…rewrote the Cal record book and holds 26 school records, including career passing yards (12,200), touchdown passes (96) and completions (977) – only the second Pac-12 passer to throw 3,000+ yards in each of his first three collegiate seasons.
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April 16, 2016 at 8:34 am in reply to: Clayton says the move by the Rams was out of desperation #42068canadaram
ParticipantAny team that doesn’t have a good QB is “desperate” to get one, imo. It’s the nature of the league now.
Yes, that’s exactly how I see it as well.
April 16, 2016 at 7:20 am in reply to: Clayton says the move by the Rams was out of desperation #42065canadaram
ParticipantAs long as it’s because they’re desperate to win I’m ok with it.
April 15, 2016 at 10:47 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42046canadaram
ParticipantI mean look at Romo!
But, Romo’s hurt a lot.
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Yeah, I was trying to figure out that comment.
Maybe he meant that size doesn’t matter. Even bigger guys like Romo – he’s listed at 230 lbs. – can get hurt. Just guessing.
April 15, 2016 at 10:25 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42042canadaram
ParticipantBoth Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan prefer Wentz to Goff for the Rams. It seems like the majority of former football guys prefer Wentz. Conversely, media insiders like Schefter and Silver seem to be hearing that it’s mostly likely going to be Goff, or at least they seem to believe that it will be Goff.
Goff’s slight frame worries me. Kirwan also commented on Goff’s lack of size on ‘Moving the Chains’ today. Conversely, Drew Boylhart doesn’t seem to think it’s an issue.
@TheRamsFan No not at all. As long as he gets rid of the ball like any QB & doesn't take a lot of hits he'll be fine. I mean look at Romo!
— Drew Boylhart (@DrewBoylhart) April 16, 2016
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April 15, 2016 at 10:09 pm in reply to: Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung #42041canadaram
ParticipantRams’ top-secret QB tour bred blockbuster trade for No. 1 pick
Jeff Fisher and Les Snead arrived in Berkeley on a cloudy February morning, and as soon as quarterback Jared Goff began his private workout at California Memorial Stadium — as if on cue — the rain came pouring down like the Andy Dufresne escape scene in “Shawshank Redemption.”By the end of the former Cal star’s sublime throwing session, all had become clear for the two men deciding the immediate fate of the newly rechristened Los Angeles Rams. And it was that clarity of purpose which, two months later, would trigger the blockbuster trade that shook up the 2016 draft and brought some serious gridiron glitz to Tinseltown.
Having flown to Northern California straight from Fargo, North Dakota — where they’d watched the 2016 draft’s other top quarterbacking prospect, ex-North Dakota State passer Carson Wentz, perform impressively in a similar session — Fisher, the Rams’ veteran head coach, and Snead, the team’s fifth-year general manager, were completing the second and final stop of their under-the-radar, Find a Franchise Quarterback Tour.
They weren’t prepared for the inclement weather, but they weren’t complaining, either. After all, one of the few raps against Goff was his perceived inability to throw a wet ball, a stigma that began early in his freshman season in 2013, when he performed so miserably on a rainy afternoon at Oregon that he was pulled from the game in the first quarter.
Even as Fisher vainly attempted to shield the footballs under his light jacket before handing them to Goff, he understood the beauty of the moment: If throwing a slippery ball were still a legitimate weakness, Goff would surely be exposed.
Instead, as if channeling the artistry of dreadlocked Cal alum Adam Duritz, Goff summoned a performance so tremendous, he might as well have crooned, “I am the Rain King!”
Goff, according to one witness, flat out “ripped it” while throwing to former Cal teammates Trevor Davis and Maurice Harris. “The ball never hit the ground,” said another person who attended the session.
“It was a great opportunity to see him throw a wet ball,” Fisher recalled Thursday morning, a couple of hours after the announcement of a pricey trade with the Tennessee Titans that put the Rams on the clock with the No. 1 overall pick. “We were just going through the process, and he made all the throws, and he was outstanding.”
Whether the Rams use the No. 1 overall selection on Goff, as I believe they will, or call Wentz to the podium in Chicago on April 28, Fisher and Snead already have made one thing obvious: After methodically building a talented defense, a process fueled by the bounty they acquired in their own blockbuster pre-draft trade four years ago, and last year bolstering the running game by selecting star halfback Todd Gurley and a slew of offensive linemen, the Rams can no longer get by with mediocrity at the game’s pivotal position.
They weren’t prepared for the inclement weather, but they weren’t complaining, either. After all, one of the few raps against Goff was his perceived inability to throw a wet ball, a stigma that began early in his freshman season in 2013, when he performed so miserably on a rainy afternoon at Oregon that he was pulled from the game in the first quarter.
Even as Fisher vainly attempted to shield the footballs under his light jacket before handing them to Goff, he understood the beauty of the moment: If throwing a slippery ball were still a legitimate weakness, Goff would surely be exposed.
Instead, as if channeling the artistry of dreadlocked Cal alum Adam Duritz, Goff summoned a performance so tremendous, he might as well have crooned, “I am the Rain King!”
Goff, according to one witness, flat out “ripped it” while throwing to former Cal teammates Trevor Davis and Maurice Harris. “The ball never hit the ground,” said another person who attended the session.
“It was a great opportunity to see him throw a wet ball,” Fisher recalled Thursday morning, a couple of hours after the announcement of a pricey trade with the Tennessee Titans that put the Rams on the clock with the No. 1 overall pick. “We were just going through the process, and he made all the throws, and he was outstanding.”
Whether the Rams use the No. 1 overall selection on Goff, as I believe they will, or call Wentz to the podium in Chicago on April 28, Fisher and Snead already have made one thing obvious: After methodically building a talented defense, a process fueled by the bounty they acquired in their own blockbuster pre-draft trade four years ago, and last year bolstering the running game by selecting star halfback Todd Gurley and a slew of offensive linemen, the Rams can no longer get by with mediocrity at the game’s pivotal position
Speaking of which: With records of 7-8-1, 7-9, 6-10 and 7-9 during their four years in St. Louis, the newly relocated coach and GM understand that they’ll have to step up it up to stay employed in Southern California beyond this season.
So Fisher and Snead, in a strategy they employed as far back as their first season in St. Louis, hit the road and got an up-close-and-personal view of what was out there. And when they loved what they saw in Fargo and Berkeley, they set their sights on the top of the draft.
With the 15th overall selection, Fisher and Snead knew it wouldn’t be easy. Not since 1984 had a team (the Patriots, who came up from 16th to land receiver Irving Fryar) moved up so far to land the first pick. But the Rams had an important chip: an extra second-round pick in 2016, obtained in last year’s trade with the Eagles that sent oft-injured incumbent quarterback Sam Bradford to Philly for Nick Foles. And while Foles’ stint as the Rams’ starting quarterback had been short and inglorious — ultimately, he was supplanted by Case Keenum, who technically still resides atop the L.A. depth chart — that extra second-rounder turned out to be a godsend.
As fate would have it, the Rams’ ownership of that pick — and the Eagles’ lack thereof — may have allowed L.A. to outjockey the Eagles for the Titans’ top pick. The Eagles, according to sources, have a high degree of interest in both quarterbacks, particularly Goff, and were also engaged in talks to trade up in the draft.
Meanwhile the Browns, who hold the No. 2 overall selection, may lose out on the quarterback they covet most — and, in response, might try to trade down to a team interested in acquiring the passer the Rams pass over.
Again, this intriguing scenario is layered with the seeds of past developments: Last March, before trading Bradford to the Eagles, the Rams — according to a high-ranking team source — believed they had a deal in place to send him to Cleveland for a first-round pick, but the Browns backed out the following morning.
Throw in the fact that Fisher closed the deal for the first overall pick with the franchise that employed him as head coach for 17 seasons, and there have been a whole lot of dramatic arcs to this story. And make no mistake: He and Snead are intent on milking the drama for all its worth between now and draft night, with organizational sources sending out conflicting reports of which quarterback the Rams prefer to numerous reporters, a process likely to continue right up until the moment when the Rams are officially on the clock.
Regardless of the noise, Fisher and Snead will get their man — and their immediate futures will likely depend on the young quarterback’s aptitude. For what it’s worth, their bosses (Rams owner Stan Kroenke and COO Kevin Demoff) were absolutely on board with the trade. As one high-ranking Rams official put it in an internal conversation, “We can go with Case Keenum and [second-year backup] Sean Mannion, and if everything breaks right, we can probably be a wild-card team. But we’re not chasing wild cards. We want to go after championships.”
To get to that level, a young man will have to guide them — and something Fisher and Snead saw in Fargo and/or Berkeley two months ago convinced them that there’s at least one quarterback in this draft who can transform their team in a hurry.
“We’re not looking over our shoulders here,” Fisher told me Thursday. “We’re planning for the future, and we’re building this team, and this is the next step. Last year we drafted Todd Gurley, and we drafted [four] offensive linemen. This year, we know what we want, and we’re going after it.”
Rain or shine.
Follow Michael Silver on Twitter @MikeSilver.
April 15, 2016 at 9:58 pm in reply to: Clayton says the move by the Rams was out of desperation #42040canadaram
ParticipantDuh
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ParticipantThis is a shrewd move by Fisher: draft a quarterback No. 1 overall, and even if the dude bombs out, he’ll still provide value by serving as Fisher’s human shield, to protect the coach from an overdue firing.
Fisher gets to buy time.
Neither Winston nor Mariota bought any time for their respective head coaches last season.
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ParticipantLove the idea of it regardless of what they gave up.
Won’t know if I truly love it until I watch the number one pick play.
I am on Team Wentz, BTW.
canadaram
ParticipantI assume you’re joking?
Cause there are some who did take the initial announcement that way.Yes. Joking… your second sentence explains why.
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ParticipantI’m not sure if I’m correct about this, but it seems as though Fisher takes a RB at some point in every draft. So there is a chance that Fisher would be looking at RB at some point in this draft regardless of Mason’s choices. However, I wonder what Fisher thinks of Malcolm Brown? Does he like him enough not to take a RB on draft weekend? I really like Cunningham, but I’m not thrilled with the idea of having only he and Brown backing up Gurley.
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….GM Les Snead: Keenum will take the 1st snap in OTA’s. Mannion/Foles will compete. Nothing will be settled until we get thru draft.I can’t believe that Snead just declared Keenum as the Rams starting QB for the next 15 years.
April 1, 2016 at 8:39 pm in reply to: vid: La Canfora not buying that Rams don't need to draft qb or that Eagles do #41308canadaram
ParticipantI didn’t realize that the Rams were pretending that they don’t need a QB.
April 1, 2016 at 1:10 pm in reply to: informal poll–for or against trading up? trading down? staying put? #41305canadaram
ParticipantIf they think one of the main 3 QBs is worth it, then I am for a trade up. I don’t pretend to know if either Wentz, Lynch or Goff will be worth the investment of picks required in a trade up, but I believe that the Rams need to address the position. I love draft weekend and always want the Rams to have as many picks as possible, and I agree with those who argue that the Rams have several needs that could be addressed in this draft, but this seems like a crucial juncture for the Rams and the QB position.
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ParticipantThis MMQB article by Robert Klemko is good.
The Coaching Perspective of the Draft’s Top Quarterbacks
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch
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ParticipantThis move does nothing to change my opinion that the Browns are going QB with their first pick.
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ParticipantI’m glad. Harkey was awesome in the trenches
two years ago. He was invisible last year,
but i would guess he had nagging injuries.w
vYeah, injuries and Foles struggles probably didn’t help Harkey last year. Not that Harkey is Jason Witten, but he can contribute more in the passing game. I’m a Harkey fan, so I hope he can bounce back.
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March 12, 2016 at 12:18 pm in reply to: Rams called on some fancy-dancin in their contract language #40500canadaram
ParticipantI don’t pretend to understand such things, but this sounds slimy.
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ParticipantIf Quick sees all that money I’m guessing it’s because he had a good season. At least this offseason he can focus on football stuff and not rehabbing his badly damaged shoulder. Whom ever starts at QB will have some time to get used to Quick and vice versa. It’s gotta be a better season for him in 2016. I mean it can’t be worse than 2015, can it?
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ParticipantLike any draft guy Drew Boylhart has his share of misses (ex. Tebow). He also gets some right once in a while (ex. TY Hilton, Jason Smith). With that qualifier out of the way, Boylhart likes Paxton Lynch. The Huddle Report is no longer a pay site, BTW.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2016profiles/Paxton.Lynch.htm
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ParticipantWestbrooks seemed spend more time on the interior DL in 2015 than he did as a rookie. At least that’s how it seemed to me, maybe I’m wrong about that. Anyway, I wonder if he will be given an opportunity to be a a fixture at LE now.
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ParticipantNot unless we move the city to Canada.
Yes.
After the first, and seemingly last, attempt to bring the CFL to the US failed the CFL won’t be doing that again anytime soon.
January 16, 2016 at 11:22 am in reply to: now and then I post pictures of Portland ME where I live #37424canadaram
ParticipantBeautiful. My sister-in-law coached rowing there a few years back. She was quite fond of the area.
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