the 2017 OL controversy

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    zn
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    #68254
    zn
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    merlin wrote:

    Jerry Reese [Giants GM] on Sirius

    He was asked about the OL and fact that they didn’t pursue the position in the draft, and his response was this particular class was lacking overall in power/strength and they didn’t feel the need to reach for the position like they would have needed to when they weren’t necessarily any better than some of their options in-house.

    He also went on to discuss Flowers, and that in spite of everyone hating on the pick how he’s had a couple of redshirt years and they expect him to continue improving. Went on from there about college OL nowadays being harder than ever to evaluate due to them not doing the things they need to see, and how they’re just going to need more time to develop than they used to because of it.

    The hosts after the interview pointed out how many O-line free agents signed quickly for big money….that was an indicator of how the league viewed the O-line draft class.

    Reece’s comments had me thinking of our OL, and how it’s kind of a similar deal in that they have guys who have been developing so to speak and didn’t see the upgrades in the draft that the fans and media saw. And btw Reese isn’t the first guy outside the Rams I’ve heard this discussion from, I just can’t recall specific names, but it’s a pretty commonly-held view.

    Point is that it seems there’s a chance the Rams saw this thing the right way, that maybe they played the draft correctly.

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    #68264
    sanbagger
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    Interesting read…thanks for posting Zn.

    Admittedly I’m firmly in the O-line drama mess…but then I have lived under that bridge for a few years now.

    I believe the best teams are strong in the trenches but I also realize there are different approaches to getting them there…the fact that it was a weak O-line class and the Rams already invested in that area actually makes sense…now just coach’em up I guess.

    I will officially drop my O-line whining now….until next draft that is I guess.

    #68265
    Agamemnon
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    The Rams are 5th now on the list to claim players off waivers. It is possible they can pickup a player that way.

    Agamemnon

    #68300
    zn
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    Rams have their reasons for not drafting offensive linemen

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33711/rams-have-their-reasons-for-not-drafting-offensive-linemen

    The Los Angeles Rams fielded what was widely considered one of the NFL’s worst offensive lines this past season, but did not select a single offensive lineman in this year’s draft.

    What gives?

    It makes a lot more sense once you dive deeper.

    First, consider their free-agent signings. They splurged on a left tackle, as they should, signing Andrew Whitworth to a three-year contract that guaranteed him $15 million. They released center Tim Barnes, but replaced him with John Sullivan, a six-year fixture on the Vikings’ offensive line until back issues crept up in 2015. Whitworth, however, is 35, his window closing. Sullivan, 31, came over on only a one-year contract. And the Rams still don’t have a young, long-term solution at left tackle or center.

    But this didn’t seem like the draft to get one.

    It was deep at several different positions, but offensive linemen certainly was not one of them. For the first time in the common draft era, which dates back to 1967, no offensive linemen were taken within the top 15. Only two were taken in the entire first round. And only one, Garett Bolles at 20th overall to the Broncos, went within the top 31. The draft was especially devoid of left tackles. It had some intriguing centers for the middle and late rounds, but the Rams instead signed a couple of undrafted free agents — Jake Eldrenkamp out of Washington and Anthony McMeans out of New Mexico State — who will work out at center for them.

    Last year’s Rams offensive line was rated 27th by Pro Football Focus. Behind it, Jared Goff absorbed 25 sacks over his last six games and Todd Gurley averaged the second-fewest yards before first contact. But there’s a key reason the Rams didn’t address it in the draft, outside the lack of talent available and the free agents they signed: new offensive line coach Aaron Kromer wants to mold the linemen he inherits.

    “There are a lot of guys in our group that he wanted to work with and felt like they may be better than some of the rookies in this draft class,” Rams general manager Les Snead told reporters from the team facility on Saturday night.

    “We really wanted a close look. ‘Do we need offensive linemen or do we not?’ Because if you go back, we had the ‘16 season and we had the ‘15 season. The ‘15 season, we’re probably a top-five rush team, we’re a top-five sacks-per-play-allowed team. Then, you go to ‘16 and we’re basically bottom 30 in both of those categories with probably the same starting lineup. So at some point, between ‘15 and ‘16, you’re on opposite ends of the spectrum. But these guys were young, got experience, and we felt like there was some upside there.”

    One of the most appealing aspects of this job for Kromer was his ability to develop. He talked about it shortly after being hired, saying: “I’m excited about this group, and the reason is the youth. When you look at it, there’s not many offensive lines in the league that have second- and third-year players across the board.”

    It’s a result of the Rams drafting seven offensive linemen from 2014 to ’15, six of whom remain on the roster.

    Greg Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick in 2014 who will not have his fifth-year option exercised, will transition from left tackle to right tackle. Rob Havenstein, a second-round pick in 2015, is moving from right tackle to right guard. Jamon Brown, Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann, all headed into their third year, will get reps at different positions in hopes of finding their best fits. Aside from Whitworth and left guard Rodger Saffold, the Rams’ best lineman last season, starting spots are up for grabs.

    “We feel good,” first-year Rams head coach Sean McVay said of his offensive linemen. “I think coming out of that minicamp really enabled us to have a better feel for our depth up front.”

    #68306
    zn
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    PARAM wrote:

    No OL taken in the top 15 for the first time in the “common draft era”.

    33 OL taken in 2017

    41 in 2016
    47 in 2015
    45 in 2014
    42 in 2013
    45 in 2012

    In fact I was listening to Mike Sando and he said:

    33 lineman drafted is lowest since 1967…..

    10 in the first three rounds is the lowest since 1984…..

    (We’re talking 5 decades and 3 decades here)

    He also said, OL $$ is being spent in free agency.

    From the Rams:

    After minicamp they didn’t think OL as big a need (as playmakers on both O and D, I assume).

    They have 6 OL on the roster drafted in the previous 3 seasons, half of them in the 3rd round or higher. Should have at least had a hit or two. Perhaps they want to see what they can do with them. If they only have 1 or 2 from that group capable, then they have 7 picks next year and another free agency period to acquire more lineman. I think they “knew” they needed TEs and WRs.

    If there weren’t many guys in this draft who projected as upgrades, why waste a draft pick that could be used elsewhere? Besides that the two UDFA lineman signed both seem targeted for OC

    #68318
    zn
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    BonifayRam wrote:

    Jamon Brown is a compact large thick OL’er @ 6-4/325 pounds. JB has long arms (34 1/2) that he used effectively when he played OT in College. My big hope is he can ascend to match Saffold level play @ left OG. I maintain that JB should be a very good LG in the NFL. In my mind JB can play center without any problems. JB has shown he can play all four OL positions & there is NO reason he could not make it five.

    Cody Wichmann is the bigger of these 3 OL’er in this center discussion. CW can get much thicker & stronger of all the 2015 class. It would not surprise me if CW’s over 6-5 frame is close to 330 pounds of good muscle when we see him in camp. CW also should be a serious solid candidate for starting center too. CW is a true phone booth dominator but has negative issues playing when hurt. But high ankle sprains will degrade most players & he had had back to back seasons with this issue. CW has proven he can be versatile in playing left or right. CW played OT in college too.

    Andrew Donnal is a leaner type body frame of the three over 6-6 approx 316 pounder but gets lower & bends much better than JB & CW. AD was the most advanced technically sound of the four of the 2015 draft selections when the 2016 season concluded. AD was able to process through the offense better than any other OL’er & continued to improve even though he had a badly injured hip that required surgery in January. AD does not generate the power of the other 2 but is building a nice good size bag of tricks & uses his brain more than his brawn. AD is the most versatile of the 3 having played 4 of the 5 positions in NFL games. I bet AK wants to add to AD bag of tricks real bad.

    There’s a reason that Snead did not utilize any of his valuable 2017 draft picks on the troubled OL. The above three are entering their 3rd seasons & have seen a ton of action in starts amongst them so they know what needs to be done to be effective wherever they end up playing.

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