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August 15, 2016 at 10:06 am #50864
znModeratoroff the net from alyoshamucci
This was a pretty well run pre-season game … and I am more excited about the 4th quarter now that there are WRs scrambling to make the team and a competent QB getting the ball to them.
The Great … never used that in preseason before.
1) Spruce. Goodness. Well I was hoping for him to show a little, and he ended up dropping the whole show on us. Breaking tackles, getting open, using his hands like vices, and having ridiculous field awareness. If one performance ever locked up a roster spot for an undrafted kid, it was this one.
2) HIgbee. I was hard pressed not to put this first. He’ll be a seriously large part of the offense … and his ability to break tackles on the outside is going to cause matchup problems every game.
3) LACK OF PENALTIES. Almost didn’t recognize our team.
The Good
4) Troy Hill, didn’t even know he was on our team. He was contesting catches and tackling … I liked him coming out, and I thought he had a solid game.
5) Seau. He ran out of gas, or the O line figured him out … but he flashed hard for a quarter.
6) Green … kid has wiggle but doesn’t overuse it … plays within himself and strong and confident.
7) Greg Robinson … I just liked the way he was moving.
8) I’m guessing our first TD drive was good, but we had a storm here, power went out, and I missed the whole drive … anyone wanna fill me in?
9) Cam Thomas as 4th DT … again, totally forgot he was on our team. He looked spry and had his hands really moving. Curious to see if he gets himself fully together.
10) McRoberts looked decent after he shook the nerves off.
11) Cooper looked good returning kickoffs.
12) Malcolm Brown runs big. I think this is the first year he’s been fully healthy since his freshman year at UT. Even without Tre we have a serious stable of RBs.
13) Blocking assignments and routes seemed to be coherent and intelligent. Nice job Groh.
14) Sensabaugh … He gave up two really tough catches .. but he was all over Bryant.
15) Westbrooks getting around the corner … way to go big guy.
The Confusing
16) Why so few reps for Gaines?
17) Why do Coples and Easley look confused?
18) Why give so many reps to Chase Reynolds?
The Bad
19) The starting defense looked kinda soft … and gave up an 80 yard drive to Dak prescott.
20) Blown special teams assignment by whom?
21) Coop … you gotta hang on to that across the middle, I know the NFL hits harder … but still.
22) Tavon … catch the ball.
The Ugly
22) Mike Thomas .. CATCH THE BALL. Wow.
I liked pulling Goff .. he made some solid throws, got some anxiety out, and got a sack and an INT … good first outing to build on.
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off the net from poplarbluffman (formerly “the hammer”)
earlier I said 2016 would be the year of the QB..looks like a bunch are off to good starts in their NFL career
Goff…he should of gotten more snaps
good news
G Robinson looked quicker
Josh Forrest really looks like a future starter…nice burst and NFL body..reminds me KJ Wright when he entered the league
Aaron Green is a player…posted better then tre Mason
Higbee is very good…poor mans Gronk
Mannion had him ranked 43rd overall and 3rd best qb in 2015…very bright, quick reads and accurate…looked a typical game at Oregon st for him under pressure and making quality throws into small windows
Chiefs, Denver and Minnesota will test the Rams oline and young wr corp..Dallas has a awful defense with zero pass rush so hard to judge
August 15, 2016 at 10:08 am #50866
znModeratoroff the net from Rampage2K
Wow…that was amazing!!! To steal what Ty Burrell said on the pregame show (that I’m watching on dvr right now)
“As a life long Rams fan- this feels like an hallucination”
The last couple days kinda felt like I was living a dream…packing the car for the trip up to LA was one of those “I can’t believe I’m doing this right now” moments.
I thought I might shed a tear when I saw the team run out onto the field, but I have to admit, I didn’t even make it to my seats…as soon as I got through the gates and turned around to see my wife and kids coming in behind me , with a big smile on my face I told them I loved them and it hit me – I got choked up, it was quite emotional for me and I’m not afraid to admit it.The place was packed!!! Yes there were lots of Dallas fans as was expected, but the Rams fans outnumbered them 4-1…. I understand people wanted to cash in on the frenzy, but to me that game was more important historically then the season opener . The first game back in 22 years was something I wasn’t going to miss!!!
As for the game…..ughhhh, not the start we wanted to see, but what an ending!!! As I said last week in my camp report that Mannion was by far the most improved player on the team, it was nice to see him come out and prove it!!! :bravo
Yes it was a meaningless preseason game, but that game and win was far from meaningless…..That was awesome for them to come back like that and start the rebirth in LA with a great win!!!!
The good the bad and the ugly….
The good-
The RB’s are deep on this team, they all had flashes and looked great…someone is going to get cut that deserves a spot on a team.The QB’s looked good…Case played well and I was impressed by Mannion. …the dude was great yesterday rallying this team from a 24-7 deficit to winning 28-24 in a game that meant a lot more then just a meaningless preseason game… He was quick and decisive, confident ,no dumb delay penalties or false starts, calm under pressure and pretty damn accurate…. he looked pretty damn good to me…a far cry from what I saw out of him last year in Oxnard. That was a HUGE WIN yesterday IMO and he was a big part of it….
As far as Goff, I thought he looked pretty damn good…only to be failed by his young WR’s and their drops. I had a great view from my seat on that pass to Cooper and it was a great throw!!! Would have been great catch as he got popped, but he has to hold onto that ball…we score on the next play if he makes that catch.
The offense as a whole was impressive, except for the WR drops that plagued us through out the night…drive killers
Higbee lived up to the hype he has been getting around here, dude is a beast and you better scoop this guy up in your fantasy leagues as he looks to be a big part of this offense.
Spruuuuce….. Dude is a baller!!! No way this kid gets cut….
A couple young guys on defense helped themselves last night..Seau and Hill to name a couple.
The bad-
The defense looked pathetic, not gonna lie… They looked slow and uninterested in stopping anything…although, there were some suspicion officials helping them look bad.
Dez’s first catch was a drop, they showed it on the stadium replay and it was clearly a drop, but Dallas was smart and hurried up to get the next play off before Fish could challenge…he should have thrown the flag..bad call there by Fish!!! Dez’s TD catch was suspicious considering the new rules, but it stood as a catch.. On the Williams TD, the play before was 2nd and 10, the Dallas RB was down a yard behind the first down but rolled another couple yards and the moron ref spotted the ball there, instead of where it should have Been spotted bringing up a 3rd and 1, instead it was a first down and the Cowboys took a shot and hit the long TD to Williams….another opportunity missed by Fish to challenge a bad call/spot.The ugly-
On a day as beautiful as yesterday, it was hard to find anything ugly====
===off the net from laram
First it was an experience like none other to see Rams football back in Los Angeles.
I saw Rosey Grier and was able to talk to him for a minute. He use to live above me in Fox Hills many years ago.
I shed a tear talking to him about Lamar, Merlin and Deacon not being there to witness this event. Deacon was very grateful to ST Louis for the way they treated him, but he always wanted the Rams to come home.
On to the game.
Can anyone name one area where the Rams were dominant in this game? The Rams were once again flat and didn’t come out ready to play and focused on their assignments. Lane integrity was awful on the opening kickoff and the Rams paid for it.
STUDS
The RB’s – Brown, Reynolds, Green and the Swiss Army knife Benny Cunningham all ran hard and acquitted themselves quite well. Rams are in good shape in the backfield. I love Benny but the tackling on his TD run by the Cowboys was atrocious.
Tim Barnes – Watch his movement and the way he operates in space. He’s not a phone booth center, where he’s gonna sit there and maul you in a tight quarter, but there are very few centers that can move as he does. He’s perfect for the Rams misdirection, traps and zone blocking schemes. .
Tyler Higbee – The guy looks like a player. Big target with good athleticism and hands. I haven’t seen him blocking on an end or LB, but in the pass game he’s gonna be a force.
Nelson Spruce – I’m giving this kid STUD status because of his moxy and nice hands. He appears to have fly paper for hands, and bailed out Mannion nicely on a poorly thrown ball in the seam. But I need to see more of him going up against better corners, not guys that will be selling insurance in a couple of weeks. I need to see if he can create separation, for I didn’t notice anything in Spruce’s movements that jumped out at me.
Matt Longacre – It was Longacre that made the 4th down stop in the middle, not Easley. I wanted to give him credit for making a play. He was active
DUDS
~The first team defense was flat out slow, flat footed and soft.
~ Tru Johnson – Prescott came out the gate throwing right at Tru, and he never stood up. Soft coverage and he got beat a couple of times in a row on simple routes.
~ Coty Sensabaugh had tight coverage on Dez on a couple of passes and still got beat by a superior athlete. That’s an issue for a corner because you’re gonna go up against some very talented and athletic receivers in the NFL and you gotta be able to win. He was beat by others as well.
~ Lamarcus Joyner – Beat badly on a double move by who, T. Whizzle??
~ Aaron Donald – Got blown off the ball a couple of times and ran past another. Bad foul on the PAT. He was uninspiring in this game, in front of some greats from Rams past.
~ Quinton Coples – Fisher gave him plenty of playing time to see something. I’m sure Fisher is still looking.
~ D. Easley – Same for Easley. He didn’t make a play until late in the game going up against 3rd stringers. Really uninspiring play by him.
~ TJMcD – Loafing and out of position on the opening KO. First game back in the great Coliseum, show some pride!!
~ Tavon Austin – Maybe I was to hard on Groh for comparing TA to Welker and Edleman. He does look like Welker, with the drops. They both have very inconsistent hands, just ask Gisele. Didn’t Tavon lead the Rams in drops his rookie year? Ugh
~ Case Keenum – He didn’t throw a ball that traveled more than 5 yards in the air. We might have a new check down king here.
~ Sean Mannion – He was essentially playing pitch and catch in the backyard out there and only threw one pass with any degree of difficulty. The out pattern he threw to Spruce on the far side on 4th down was his only NFL throw IMO. I don’t like his mechanics, wasn’t thrilled with his accuracy, and he showed me nothing to think that he should make the team. Looks like the same guy to me.
~ Jeff Fisher – We get all of these camp reports about Goff running with the 1’s in 2 minute drill, and what happens in the game? Perfect opportunity for Goff and the Rams to run the drill and they botch it!! Fisher is just not a good game manager, PERIOD!
HONORABLE MENTION
~ Jared Goff – His performance was good and bad, but the bad has more to do with his inexperience than anything. I am encouraged by what I saw from him. He stood tall in the pocket and made some nice throws with zip on the ball. However I do need to point out a few mistake HE made that are being attributed to the o-line.
* On the INT, the Cowboys showed that blitz look two plays in a row. The first one the faked the blitz, the second one they came on. That’s the type of games defenses run especially on rookie qb’s. That was on Jared, he should have been aware of it, and he held the ball to long. It was a delayed blitz, and the rusher came from well off the line.
* On the second sack that Goff took, it was indecision on his part that contributed to the sack. Sure he got immediate pressure, but in his face and he had his release valve Reynolds right in his sight line that he hesitated to…oops to late. Things move faster in the NFL, so I hope that was a lesson learned for young Goff. Hopefully he is a quick study, because he has a lot to learn.
But overall I thought he was quite accurate and appeared to be pretty steady in the pocket. I didn’t see any of the frenetic movement that I saw from his college tape. He showed good promise, and I am hopeful for the kid.
~ Ian Seau – Some good pressure, a sack and a missed sack. The missed sack was obviously glaring. Thus far after one PS game, Seau looks just like another rookie from last season who didn’t make the team. Lots of pressure, sack, pushed back in the run game. Let’s see if Seau makes the team.
Final Thoughts
This game reminded me of the Dallas game at home in 2013 season where the Rams were paying tribute to Rams legends. The Rams come out with a totally uninspiring performance and get their asses handed to them in front of the Rams greats. Fast forward its a HUGE day for Rams fans as well as football fans in general, playing in front of a record crowd and the Rams starters come out and lay an egg. HTH does that continue to happen?
I know some will poo poo it and pass it off as the first preseason game. Its more than that, its a trend, its a disturbing pattern with Jeff Fisher teams. . This team is still not good enough to turn it on and off when ever they want to. This crap really bothers me.
Before the game Snead was interviewed right in front of me and said…”If Case Keenum had been our qb the last 4 seasons we would have made the playoffs two of those 4 seasons” I just about fell out of my seat. He needs to go when Fisher does, this dude is dillusional.
August 15, 2016 at 10:25 am #50867
znModeratoroff the net from jrry32
We went 0-4 in the preseason last year and then beat Seattle in the first game. Fisher always plays vanilla, crappy football in the preseason. It’s not something that I love, but it’s also not something worth getting worked up over. It’s also worth pointing out that we went 2-2 over the first 4 games last year. All four games were against playoff teams.
So it’s not like the strategy hurts us. In the end, the preseason doesn’t matter.
Truth is that our defense is what it is. The real use of the preseason will be getting Goff, the offense, and the WRs/TEs up to speed. Let’s get Goff ready to play Week 1. And let’s get those drops and incorrect routes out now.
Goff was a positive in my book. Greg Robinson was also a positive because he played well. Goff can really throw the football. That is still apparent. The Dallas blitzes pissed me off at first, but I’d rather see Goff get used to it than have him surprised come regular season. After that crap, I hoped GW would dial up the heat and beats the Cowboys QB to a pulp….but either way, Goff was a positive in my book. Greg Robinson was also a positive because he played well.
We went 7-9 with the worst QBs in the NFL. Goff + Gurley + our defense has the makings of a playoff team. Who cares what we do in the preseason? So, okay…let’s stay healthy and prepare Goff to go Week 1.
Let’s hope the WRs got the drops out of the way. I’ve seen some talented WRs drop a ton of passes early in their careers. When you have to focus on the depth and the footwork in your routes, you aren’t completely focused on catching the ball. But still I’d like to see the WRs put together a better effort.
Tyler Higbee looks like a player. He’s athletic. He catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. He doesn’t go down easy. He’ll be a weapon once he gets the NFL game down. Goff is such a great thrower. The mental game will get there. I want to see Spruce get more reps with the 1s and 2s, so we see him against better DBs. But I love what I saw today.
August 15, 2016 at 10:54 am #50870
znModeratoroff the net from Dick84
Boras and Groh seem to be working together well. Incorporating Goff’s college concepts shows that they are flexible and smart. Looking forward to seeing what they can do. Goff will be more comfortable in the offense sooner than you think.. because they’re incorporating a bunch of Cal stuff and, as he said, the concepts behind the Rams shotgun and what they did at Cal are similar. That deep route to Cooper is also something that takes advantage of a pass Goff threw *very well* in college. They didn’t look like they’re developing a one-dimensional offense.
Having Gurley out there and Goff and Higbee will make this a functional unit. Oline is looking a little better to me… I saw push on several running plays on the right side.
The issues the offense had were with execution (drops), not scheme. They actually got guys open. … the Rams have paid attention to what has and hasn’t worked for QBs coming from spreads. They’re integrating aspects of Goff’s college offense that work with what they are doing to *ease* his transition. Pretty obvious and it’s pretty obvious that’s one of the reasons he looked comfortable. Good work by the staff on that one.
Goff’s *performance* didn’t show me anything that makes me believe he’s overwhelmed in any way and his *talent* is obvious. Goff seemed to be completely in control of the offense.. no issues getting plays in, lining guys up and getting plays off. No penalties.. no confused looks to the sideline.. and when Cooper was lining up incorrectly, *instantly* and jumped on him, getting him in position *and* got the play off well in time. His reads on progressions were very solid.
So Goff looked prepared to me, and they integrated more shotgun. That throw isn’t in there for Keenum. Unlike Prescott, Goff had to go through progressions. Looked like Prescott was making single reads. Prescott had a delay of game penalty and had the ball snapped while two players were still in motion. He also started to look very average as they got deeper into it.
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Westbrooks is way more likely to be the 4th DE than Coples. Westbrooks has more “get off the line” and more bend getting around a corner. It’s not a criticism of Coples, btw. Maybe he’s just miscast as a DE. Coples is still pretty athletic and very large.
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Quick’s not going anywhere. Made the catch on the only ball on target to him.. .threw a solid, solid block to spring Benny.. stripped a defender after the int. He’s going to get a shot this season. We’ll see if he can take it.
August 16, 2016 at 4:09 am #50929
znModeratoroff the net from Merlin
While the D struggled (and I expect them to get a lot of heat from the coaches in this week’s Hard Knocks episode) the offense did some good things and showed more life than I’m used to seeing.
Rams kept it vanilla and Dallas went quite a bit further in their gameplanning, particularly with the starters in there. Really pissed me off how Dallas called their game, and in a way I’m irked with the Rams for not seeing that coming. They have the #1 pick and teams know his arm talent. Heat’s gonna come in every preseason game just bank it and gameplan the MFing protections for him. On the other side Dallas did a great job preparing their kid QB, he was ready and had plenty of quick reads that were of course wide open.
I think Goff is closer than the Rams are letting on. Watch the clip showing the throws: the kid was smooth and on the money. Prob was they didn’t gameplan protections for the Cowboys throwing stunts and blitzes at him and two of his receivers looked shocked when the ball was in their face. Next game out protections should be better and I think Cooper’s hands overall are much better than that dropped pass indicates.
Goff puts the ball downfield with accuracy.
Seems to me this offense has been adjusted for Goff’s strengths. He is the piece that will make it go, as we saw even in a very short look, because he can look and execute throws downfield enough to back defenses off, which will be a dangerous combination with Gurley in the backfield.
Also, the holding the ball bit has to happen from time to time. I want a QB to feel comfortable holding it and working those feet. The bigger problem is letting Dallas’ mediocre DL get near-instant pressure on a couple of those plays. That stunt coming from the LT/LG side was the one that really got me angry.
One note on Mannion is he is very good at going to the guy he trusts and looks different when doing so. In his junior year at Oregon, when he had Cooks at WR, he had his security blanket and everything played off of that. The following season without Cooks he was lost man, and as I’ve mentioned before I didn’t think it was all his fault but in the guy’s favor he never pointed the finger or blamed anyone but himself.
The guy might not be a long term starting caliber QB in this league, but he’s a great teammate by all reports and when he has the protection and a go-to WR he can be very productive. I’m really proud of how he played and how nice is it to see, as @Dxmissile pointed out, such a deep QB room?
I feel very, very comfortable with our QBs right now.
Forget where I heard it, probably NFL channel on Sirius, but there was a guy on there talking about how high the Rams were last year on Malcolm Brown due to his power running ability which is something they really value.
I suspect Williams has surpassed him on the depth chart. Will be one of those positions where it’ll be good to see who comes out with that second team. The obvious others will be the OG positions when Havenstein is back at RT… I’m thinkin Wichmann/Saffold with the first team and Brown/Reynolds with the second but that second team might have a surprise in store as this group gets healthy and we start to see who’s slotting where.
Next game I want to see better fundamentals on defense first and foremost. Gotta get the ball back to the offense so they can work the kinks out. Secondary does not need crazy scheming by Williams to play well fundamentally. They need to get the F out there and get off the field and quit resting on their laurels like they’ve arrived. They are still NOT a top 5 defense and need to do the work to get there.
Dallas was a challenge because most teams don’t have a line that can handle Donald and company up front, and while the Rams didn’t have Quinn it was pretty one sided when it mattered with enough time for Dak to make an effin ham sandwich in the offensive backfield.
Not having Quinn yesterday sucked. On the roster there is nobody who will be able to supplant his production, and that is assuming he is capable of having a bounceback season. I did not, for example, witness him dominating in practice, because they’re being so careful with him, thus he is an unknown for us.I really like Longacre. I’m not sure he’s peaked. He has a history through college of showing up on key downs which is something coaches can’t teach. But he’s tough and a very hard worker and guys like that are just immensely valuable to have on a depth chart.
I think Troy Hill is going to earn a roster spot this year. He has some talent and really good instincts and with some time under Williams and this scheme he might be something.
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