Can I get some feedback?

I think it’s time to do this again.

Do the thing and post the results. That will mean (for those who don’t know) that when you get the results, you right click it and hit “copy image address” and post it here.

On this board, by this political compass, we are mostly left libertarians.

This “poll” is not the be all and end all, just part of a conversation.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

ME:

I was a Libertarian when it meant something. I have no idea what it means today. I don’t align myself with liberals, progressives or any other group at this time. Thus, I am a political atheist. I don’t believe the right of the many outweighs individual rights, less government is better. But, the more crowded things get(population density), the more rules and manners we need. Any form of government is fine, if you have good leaders. imo

• This reply was modified 8 years ago by Agamemnon.

TSRF wrote:

Hmm, not sure why it won’t just paste in.

Oh, well. I was closer to ZN’s than yours, X.

You have to use the image function. If I read you right.

— X — wrote:

zn wrote:

On this board, by this political compass, we are mostly left libertarians.

What’s that mean to you?
Where might we differ?

Okay I can only speak for me and not others. I hope others speak up. I also don’t necessarily know where you (X) and I differ.

I will tend to “vote/think/see” this way:

* the state should stay out of issues of private morality
* government can be a public trust capable of serving a larger good, including things like single payer health insurance and support for education.
* the ways in which the government already does act like a public trust, for example social security, should never be dismantled—they are causes of public good
* the private sector does not belong in politics, though in actual fact it dominates american politics–which warps things and holds back democracy…this includes things like the abuse of corporate personhood
* the domination of big money/corporate power in the USA is the real threat to liberty, all the more so because it works by eroding public good instead of openly assaulting it
* we should always make sure we’re progressing toward real democracy which means an actual, de facto (and not just “in theory”) extension of human and civil rights to all peoples regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, or which NFL team they follow…and me saying this means I don’t think we ARE there yet and in fact we still face many problems when it comes to this…I think maintaining the status quo in this regard just means maintaining many forms of injustice
* I don’t identify as “white” meaning I think people of european descent like myself are diverse and different and there is no “us,” though at the same time I do acknowledge that in this day and age anyway, walking around being male and white in the USA gives me some very distinct advantages, ones I am not willing to defend at the expense of more freedom and justice for others
* in fact I don’t accept any form of essentialism, ie. the idea that you are born to be certain things…the genes that make me male do not determine who I am, because being male can mean many different things, most of that being cultural…etc. etc. etc. on things like race etc.
* american foreign policy is not and has not been the domain of democracy and freedom–the USA has done as much harm as good in that regard if not more (see for a recent example Honduras)
* the problems we face in the international arena are just 4th and 5th generation effects of the collapse of old european colonialism, and to be specific that means things like political conflict is a more significant cause of anti-USA terrorism than any other factor, including especially religion
* the two major parties are at the end of the day just somewhat different versions of bought corporate bagmen, and the mainstream media being part of the same thing is incapable of seeing this
* more on the press…if I had to put it in one slightly exaggerated sound-byte, american mass media is corporate mass media and the mainstream sources of information in the USA are actually sources of DISinformation…their ideological orientation being toward a rigid center-right mainstream blah status quo
* a real democracy would include diverse views, including ones (such as mine!) that are currently excluded from the mainstream (which is not true of every democracy on the planet, where in fact there is greater diversity of information and viewpoints)
* economic inequality of the kind the USA now has, which basically is the effect of government policies, is destructive to democracy and social good…supply side pseudo-economics just serves this and nothing else
* as an extension of the last one, neo-liberal economic policies are destructive of public and social good and serve only a small faction of the population…in fact this is what caused the great crash of 2008, whose effects are still with us
* the more we privatize the more we kill democracy
* climate change is real, and is human caused
* I am not a dogmatic/programmatic leftist, I am a pragmatic leftist, so I don’t believe any particular doctrine is “truer,” but instead do believe more in practical left solutions than in purist leftist doctrines

Well that’s enough for now. If not too much.

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X. I’m a registered Democrat but I’m no Democrat, if you know what I mean. Neither of the two major parties represent me and my beliefs. To me, the Democrats are just the lesser of two evils but they are evil just the same. Two parties with exactly the same ultimate goal.

And that goal has nothing to do with making the best life possible for the most people as possible. Neither of them care about saving the last few wild places on the earth or protecting the planet.

Their goal is to make the rich and powerful more rich and powerful.

That’s pretty much it.

Anyway, that’s the way I see things.

Its a leftist conspiracy!

x = -3.38
y = 1.74

• This reply was modified 8 years ago by bnw.
• This reply was modified 8 years ago by bnw.

Here’s some feedback X

This board is great and enlightening.

Broaden my views on shit I never knew.

I’ve been reading these folks since Sept 200l on the non football board.. much longer on the football side… maybe 1997?

Damn ……almost 20 years… since Tony fucking Banks…