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    NFC West Q&A: How much does Cardinals QB Carson Palmer have left?

    Josh Weinfuss

    http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/20792/nfc-west-qa-how-much-does-cardinals-qb-carson-palmer-have-left

    Today’s question: Carson Palmer is coming off of arguably his best season. How much do you think he has left?

    Nick Wagoner, Los Angeles Rams reporter: Palmer was a legitimate MVP candidate in 2015 and rightfully so after posting career highs in passing yards, touchdown passes and passer rating. After failing to win a playoff game in his previous 12 seasons, that was another hurdle he finally cleared with Arizona’s dramatic victory against Green Bay in the divisional playoffs. If this question had been asked before the postseason, I think most would have said Palmer has plenty of gas left in the tank. Then he went out and threw six interceptions and coughed up two fumbles in two playoff games, including a dreadful outing in the NFC Championship Game loss to Carolina. The question becomes whether that was an aberration or a harbinger of things to come? At 36, Palmer still has plenty left in his arm, so I tend to think more of an aberration at least in the short term, but the Cardinals would still be wise to begin planning for the future at quarterback beyond the likes of Drew Stanton and Matt Barkley.

    Paul Gutierrez, San Francisco 49ers reporter: We’re talking regular season, right? Because the last time we saw Palmer, he was throwing four interceptions and committing six turnovers overall, in a 49-15 blowout loss to the Carolina Panthers in the NFC title game. He did not appear to be a guy ready to take that next step onto the game’s biggest stage. That has always been the knock on the 2002 Heisman Trophy winner. Yes, he is already 36 years old, but will he age like a fine wine, or did we already witness the deconstruction of the artist known as CP3 (yes, before the Los Angeles Clippers’ Chris Paul)? In any event, if Palmer can stay healthy and upright, he can equal or even surpass last season’s 4,671 passing yards and 35 TD passes with 11 interceptions, especially since all of his weapons return and the offensive line is upgraded with the addition of Evan Mathis. With a short memory, good health and a better supporting cast, Palmer should have enough left for one last Super Bowl-or-bust-type season.

    Sheil Kapadia, Seattle Seahawks reporter: At 36 years old, it’s best to go year-to-year with expectations for Palmer, but I’m not expecting a major drop-off in 2016. He stumbled in Week 17 against the Seahawks and in the NFC title game against the Panthers, but overall, Palmer was a legitimate MVP candidate last season. He became the only quarterback in the past four years to average more than 8 yards per dropback in a season. And he led the NFL in yards per attempt (8.7), proving once again to be an excellent match for Cardinals coach Bruce Arians. One thing Palmer has going for him is that he’s become one of the league’s sharpest quarterbacks mentally at this stage in his career. He’s got tremendous weapons surrounding him, and when teams try to blitz, Palmer consistently knows where to go with the ball and does damage downfield. Because of his supporting cast and his ability to win the mental battle against opposing defensive coordinators, Palmer should still be able to have success late in his career

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    At 36 he really is one hit away from retirement. The Rams might be the team to do it.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    off the net from LMU93

    This recent FootballOutsiders article about ‘adjusted interceptions’ is interesting. And it highlights Palmer quite a bit.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/adjusted-interceptions-2015

    Basically says he was the luckiest QB in the league last year as far as INTs. “Seven of his interceptable passes were dropped, and none were marked as Hail Marys or tipped passes.”

    Not that he isn’t a very good QB. He is. And I would guess he has 1-2 more good years in him. But the playoffs last year may have showed some things catching up to him he avoided in the regular season

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    Stanton: I’ll have chance at Cards’ QB gig once Palmer is done

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/57261/Stanton–I-ll-have-chance-at-Cards–QB-gig-once-Palmer-is-done/Default.aspx

    Drew Stanton ranks near the top of any list of backup NFL quarterbacks. The veteran proved his worth in 2014 when he relieved Carson Palmer and won five of eight starts before suffering his own injury.

    As a free agent this offseason, Stanton could have chased a starting gig, but the 32-year-old decided to re-sign with the Arizona Cardinals on a two-year, $6.5 million deal with $4.5 million guaranteed. It’s good money for a backup, but Stanton believes down the line, he’ll get a shot at the starting job, Kevin Patra of NFL.com reports.

    “As you get older, I think just wanting to be a part of a good situation (is the priority),” Stanton told SiriusXM NFL Radio. “There’s not a written rule on how you become a starting quarterback in this league and how you can sustain that over a period of time. I’ve found a great situation here in Arizona. Who knows who long Carson will play for?

    “But I’ve had at-length discussions with everybody in the franchise (about the fact) that there’s a chance for me to be able to start when he’s done. So that’s the whole goal of all this.”

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    So compared to Stanton how have the Rams compensated Keenum?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    So compared to Stanton how have the Rams compensated Keenum?

    Not much of a comparison is possible because Stanton (9 year vet) was a free agent and Keenum (3 year vet) was a restricted free agent, meaning the Rams got compensated if anyone signed him. (Contracts below.) Given that they’re both #2 qb types, still, they’re just in completely different contract categories.

    I will say this. Or the numbers will say it:

    ARZ with Stanton starting: 5-3 (62.5% wins)
    2014: completions: 55.0%, 7 TDs, 2.9 TD%, 5 INTs, 2.1 INT%, 7.1 YPA, 78.7 qb rating

    ST.L with Keenum starting: 3-2 (60% wins)
    2015: completions: 60.8%, 4 TDs, 3.2 TD%, 1 INT, 0.8% INT%, 6.6 YPA, 87.7 qb rating

    CONTRACTS:

    Drew Stanton

    Accrued Seasons: 9

    League Entry: 2007 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 43 (Lions)

    Stanton signed a two yer, $6.5 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals on March 9, 2016. Stanton received $4.5 million in guarantees including a $2 million signing bonus. Stanton can earn up to $8.7 million in incentives.

    http://overthecap.com/player/drew-stanton/18/

    Case Keenum

    Accrued Seasons: 3

    League Entry: 2012 Undrafted Free Agent (Texans)

    Total Value: $3,635,000 (avg. $3,635,000/year)

    http://overthecap.com/player/case-keenum/1651/

    #48028
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    Thank you for the numbers and such. The numbers suggest despite a smaller number of starts for Keenum that he has performed better than Stanton. AZ WRs are certainly far better than the Rams. Unless his level of competition was terrible I can’t see much of a case to put Stanton above Keenum. I suppose I’m saying if Keenum remains on the Rams he should be in line for at least what Stanton is getting providing this seasons starts don’t disappoint.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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