The Winston QB issue

wv wrote:

And here’s a link to the New York Times article about how the investigation into the rape charges was completely mishandled:

http://www.nytimes.com

That, unfortunately, is not a link to the article mentioned, it’s just a link to the front page of the Times. As a rule, links on herd board posts don’t work here. You have to go get the link on a case by case basis yourself.

Nevertheless, I know a bit about that story. It’s actually part of a national issue. Campuses all across the country have gotten worse and worse at handling rape and sexual assault charges, not just with football players.

I thought this issue was deserving of its own thread btw so voila.

wv wrote:

Why would campuses be getting worse?

Schools seem to be doing better
on bullying, i thot.

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Some grade schools and high schools were doing well on bullying for a while, but I think that backslid.

Either way, universities and colleges have infamously backslid on sexual assault. A simple search would reveal this. It’s national level concern.

Well, you can thank the David Stern marketing assholes of the NBA who took them from a team game “Lakers versus Celtics” to a Magic versus Bird game… and totally destroyed it by pushing players to want the old “one on one ISO”…

Makes me sick just thinking about it…

Football can’t function that way, inherently, but they sure want to market it that way.

And contracts have started to get paid that way. They pay the QB dozens of times more than the OL in some cases and then wonder why the QB can’t perform. Well, fucking duh. It’s a team game and all bumper sticker sloganeering about “elevating those around you” aside, it just doesn’t work that way… no matter how much some asshole in marketing would like it to.

<insert obligatory Bill Hicks “if you’re in marketing” reference here>

So, yeah, we’ve seen that change because the QB has the ball on every snap. He’s the focal point on the offense. He’s the sports analogue for the “one who runs things, makes things go, is at the hub of an organization’s success” etc. Thus, the actual Quarterback for an actual NFL franchise when he does perform becomes both a literal and figurative symbol of a whole lot of things… thanks to that damn marketing machine…

Could Winston = Britt? I dunno. THAT thought never occurred to me. I tend to believe that rapists of any kind have a very high recidivism rate (as every study ever has shown) and so if he did what he’s alleged to have done, then he’s simply another encounter from being the next Darren Sharper. No one needs that.

If he didn’t do it, then he does have the potential to be special. He’s got so much growing up to do… I dunno even if he’s cleared that I’d want to deal with that.

If folks thought Michael Sam “could” be a distraction… well, Winston WILL be a distraction because every last blink will be scrutinized.

wv wrote:

joemad wrote:
you need a special guy to be QB in the NFL, not only in talent, but a guy that will put in the work to study, game plan to succeed.
Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Russell Wilson, Flacco, etc…..guys that have established great study and work habits to prep well to pick up the complexities of the game.
Very few can rely on raw talent, maybe Brett Farve, but to be great, you need talent and the will to have a strong smart work ethic.
Do you think this Winston kid has these habits established?

One of the things i started noticing about five or ten years ago or so,;was that the tv-celebrity-experts started talking a lot aboutpotential QB-draft-choices being “the face of the franchise” —meaning that the QB had to represent the corporate ‘brand’in a certain way. I’m not saying thats good or bad,just saying there was a change at some point in the NFL.I doubt tv-celebrity-experts were saying things like“Billy Kilmer needs to be the face of the franchise”.
wv

I think it changed when QBs stopped wearing the single bar face-mask…. (just kidding)

good GMs / coaches or great franchises won’t buy or fall for the hype.

Look an Manziel. that guy was dropping like a rock in the draft, then he calls the Browns and begs to be picked, and they did….. That’s why the Browns sucked for so long, their GM, Owner or whoever picked him based on a phone call. I don’t think the Pats or perennial winner would do that.

I blame Melvin K.

While general manager of the Indianapolis Colts, Tobin gained some notoriety during the television broadcast of the 1994 NFL Draft after being criticized by ESPN analyst Mel Kiper for picking Nebraska linebacker Trev Alberts with the fifth pick in the draft, instead of Fresno State quarterback Trent Dilfer.

While being interviewed by ESPN later in the broadcast, Tobin famously said “Who the hell is Mel Kiper?!”[1] Tobin later called a press conference where he ranted about Kiper for several minutes, stating that Kiper had been biased against the Colts ever since they moved from Baltimore, Kiper’s home

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JackPMiller wrote:

The difference is, Phillips was abusive toward women. I have not seen that with Winston. Winston’s issues, I believe is more wrong place at wrong time, those things he’ll learn from.

He is accused of sexual assault and stood on a table in public yelling obscenities about women.

He may not be a physical abuser the way Phillips was but there are many different kinds of fukkked up misogynists out there.

There is no excusing Winston.

I doubt he’s around when the Rams pick anyway.

But I wouldn’t take him.

A quarterback HAS to have his mental game together. Self-discipline is extremely important.

Maybe if he’s still around in the 4th round – depending on who else is available….