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ZooeyModeratorBased on those season records, it looks like the Rams are the better team.
ZooeyModeratorwhat do people think of jared verse? and fiske? and limmer? seems verse did particularly well no?
From an article on CBS about rookies.
ZooeyModeratorCan’t think of a current player I like less than Aaron Rogers, but I hope he goes off tonight.
Ditto
Rodgers can feel free to throw 4 INTs every game for the rest of the season.
ZooeyModeratorthe los angeles rams are down 4 starting offensive lineman and 1 reserve offensive lineman, puka nacua, and dee will, and still took the lions to OT in week 1. get healthy and this team is a problem.
This I believe.
ZooeyModeratorCan’t think of a current player I like less than Aaron Rogers, but I hope he goes off tonight.
Ditto
ZooeyModeratorThe Rams played better than I expected them to play, given the OL. And I am heartened by the defense giving up only 20 (regulation) to a fully healthy Detroit at home in their first battle action with no Aaron.
I did not need to see Puka, Avila, and Noteboom carted off. This is going to be a good, exciting season, if the Rams don’t spend it on the IR.
ZooeyModeratorIt is already starting to look like this is one of the years where the Rams will have to regroup at the bye.
I’m sure all your buddies over on the Seahawks board really loved it when you posted this over there.
ZooeyModeratorUh…okay. McVay was a big part of the problem there. But McVay isn’t a “domineering head coach” who put “training wheels” on Stafford, so maybe Goff’s problem in LA was not just that his coach didn’t trust him. There were reasons the coach didn’t trust him.
I don’t agree actually. McVay was openly and derisively impatient with Goff once he became the de facto qb coach starting in 2019. He was pushing Goff into doing certain things that he, McVay, wanted to do, and Goff wasn’t really ready for or especially adept at doing. It was a confidence issue, which led a former Rams coach, who I am pretty sure was Zak Taylor, to say that McV knew how to tear Goff down but not how to build him back up. And McV did put training wheels on him–that was the whole talking into the helmet thing, that New England took advantage of in that super bowl, where Goff just didn’t know how to respond to the new and unexpected things the defense was showing him. The difference in Detroit was that Goff and Johnson built the passing game together around Goff’s strengths and the things Goff liked to do, so that was a case study in confidence building. The difference in LA was that McV was always going to respect the long time veteran Stafford, so they have both described their relationship as collaborative. Another coach, in 2019, would have built around the qb’s strengths. McV instead was basically saying “keep up! why can’t you keep up?” I mean, you know, we’ll see about Bennett, but so far in his career McV has never developed a young qb. In 2017 and 2018, both years, he had accomplished and very involved qb coaches who could mediate between the qb and McVay. One of those was Zak Taylor, the coach I mentioned as saying McV worked against Goff’s confidence. After 2019 McV became the de facto qb coach though, and I think it made a difference. After 2022 McV talked about how he fell into bad habits that season and he had to rethink how he did things, and I think the signs are that losing the way they did that year brought out his worst kinds of impatience and his habit of riding people. I think he was doing that with Goff in 2019 and 2020, and then crashed into that tendency of his in 2022 and had to reinvent how he approached coaching. Which he obviously did, and that’s part of what makes him great. It took a bad year for that to happen, but still, some guys actually don’t learn from bad years, so that’s to McV’s credit. In terms of qb comparisons, Goff is a very good qb and Stafford is a HOF level qb. And I defended the trade the minute it happened. My take was that Goff at that stage of his development was not in a good “marriage” with McV at that stage in his development. With a bad marriage, you move on, and I thought that Stafford would work better with McV. McV didn’t have to develop Stafford, if anything he would benefit from listening to him. Which I think is what happened and I think this is an especially good HC/qb marriage.
I think I can agree with all of that, and still think that Goff made a bunch of bad decisions and terrible throws.
McVay made things worse. Far worse. I think everybody agrees with that, even McVay.
ZooeyModeratorHow has Goff been able to reinvent himself in the Motor City and how has he morphed into the ideal fit in Johnson’s offense?
Goff hasn’t morphed into the ideal fit for offensive coordinator Ben Johnson’s offense so much as he was a part of its creation. Both Goff and Johnson looked at how the veteran quarterback was successful and developed an offense that plays to its signal-callers strengths. There’s a lot of variety, there’s a lot of deception in terms of different plays being run out of the same looks, a lot of pre-snap motion and play-action. It’s an offense that lives over the middle and really utilizes that space from hash to hash.
Goff was finally trusted to not be a quarterback surrogate for a domineering head coach. He’s proven his football acumen by more often than not, making the right checks at the line of scrimmage, delivering the ball to where it should go based on the defense in front of him, and just, you know, quarterbacking without training wheels.
Uh…okay.
McVay was a big part of the problem there. But McVay isn’t a “domineering head coach” who put “training wheels” on Stafford, so maybe Goff’s problem in LA was not just that his coach didn’t trust him. There were reasons the coach didn’t trust him.
ZooeyModeratorI have to think that the bullet grazed him. If it hit him ANYWHERE in the chest, he would have had to have surgery. I think. There is no way he is in-and-out of the hospital in under 24 hours if a bullet went into his chest.
I decided to ask my idiot brother, and this is how it went:
ZooeyModeratorI posted something here a couple of hours ago. I am not sure why we have constant problems here. But I’m losing my patience.
What’s the rule? Don’t post two links at the same time? Don’t link anything? I’m getting tired of this.
ZooeyModeratorBullet went right through and exited out the back without striking vital organs.
Or a bone? A rib, a scapula? How the hell is it possible not to hit either an organ or a bone?
Nobody comes back from a rib injury in 4 weeks. I assume if a bullet hit a rib…you know.
Of course, the fact he’s on the list for 4 weeks doesn’t mean he will be back in 4 weeks, but the guy was in the hospital just over night. Wow.
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ZooeyModeratorLooks like Detroit fans have revised their history to make Stafford a bum, and Goff a hero.
https://x.com/PhantomKrueger/status/1830717655327617281
ZΛᄃK @PhantomKruegerWe can’t appreciate Lamar Jackson’s greatness because he hasn’t become the 6th QB in *checks notes* 30 YEARS to win a ring before age 27, but we will give grace to Matthew Stafford since he had to endure 7 years of throwing to *checks notes again* Calvin Johnson. Whoever that is.ZooeyModeratorRicky Pearsall was released from the hospital yesterday, and didn’t need surgery for his injury. I don’t know how long it takes to recover from a bullet wound, but I guess it didn’t hit any organs, so no lasting damage. I would think he would be able to play this season at some point, although he was already behind because he missed a lot of camp due to injuries. Not a great start to his career, but at least the dude is alive and reasonably well, considering. Jeez.
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https://x.com/LondonBreed/status/1830038614203646072?t=58x_66d8gcXRGCN5H726Hg&s=19
London Breed@LondonBreedThis afternoon, there was an attempted robbery in Union Square involving San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Ricky Pearsall and he was shot.SFPD was on scene immediately and an arrest of the shooter was made.
My thoughts are with Ricky and his family at this time.
We will provide more updates, including on his condition, as I receive them.
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August 31, 2024 at 5:43 pm in reply to: roster aszesz…uh, azsehs…asysamint…(?) … roster ideas #152010ZooeyModeratorZooeyModeratorI don’t think that Purdy is going to get that kind of money. He has great numbers because he’s a decent QB benefitting from Shannahan’s brilliance and the elite talent around him. But Purdy himself isn’t elite. He’s a coached-up Case Keenum. He isn’t worth top shelf QB money.
I spent all last year waiting for Purdy to reveal his limitations, but he got the 9ers to the SB. But the professional 49ers followers talk about Purdy the way we talked about Kurt Warner in 99. We saw it, and knew it was real, and laughed at all the detractors who said the Rams hadn’t played anybody yet, and Warner was benefitting from Martz’s genius, etc. The radio yakkers were laughing at the naysayers about Purdy last year. They watch him; I don’t.
So I don’t know. I keep waiting for the wheels to fall off Purdy, but they haven’t so far.
$60/million sounds too high to me, but $45m sounds like a floor to me. It’s going to be a lot of money, and he is going to take up a lot of room under the cap. The guy made $870,000 last year. He’s going to cash in next year at the going rate for a successful starting QB. Whatever the # is, it’s going to cost the 49ers elsewhere on their roster.
ZooeyModeratorThis is just an impression but it looked to me like their OL lost that game. I wonder if there’s blame and resentment going around about that.
I dunno, but the blabbers specifically mentioned that Williams did not play well in that game. They were stringing together basically the same observation wv made…
the 49ers had, they went 0 and 3 without Trent Williams. 12 and 2 with him. With him they scored 32 points a game. Without him 17 points a game.
and then said “whatever happened to Williams” in the Super Bowl was uncharacteristic of him, but…yeah.
The bottom line of all this is that things are trending in a good direction here in NoCal.
ZooeyModerator2 suspended for 2 games.
They really kept the lid on A. Jackson’s misconduct.
ZooeyModeratorThanks for the report, it’s interesting to hear that stuff.
I thought so. Aiyuk is consuming all the media attention, but Williams is the far bigger issue for them. Aiyuk is good, but they have Samuels, Kittle, McCaffrey, and a stable full of other WRs, including a highly regarded rookie (who missed a lot of camp due to injury, but they like him).
Williams is the guy they HAVE to sign, or else. If they can’t get it done, they’re done.
BTW, the radio talkers are also starting to voice concern around camp. The radio talkers don’t like the tone. There’s a sense of weariness, in addition to the contract distractions. They’ve been to the NFC Championship game 4 of the past 5 years, and been to the Super Bowl twice, losing both times to the Chiefs – last year, in a spectacularly heart-breaking fashion. Their swagger is not apparent at the moment. It’s preseason, of course, and there is a long way to go, but guys are showing up to work with a little less enthusiasm, and the blabbers are concerned that the fact that all the 9ers’ hard work hasn’t “paid off” might translate to the regular season. That doesn’t “mean” anything, but it isn’t good. They don’t mention specifics, but just have noticed there isn’t the general bravado/chest-bumping/high-fiving stuff going on. FWIW.
ZooeyModeratorI don’t know much about the Falcons ILB situation, but I do find it interesting that Raheem wasn’t interested in adding Jones for next to nothing. That makes me go hmmmm.
hmmmm.
ZooeyModeratorFrom the vid — …with all the talent, (Kittle, Purdy, Shannahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc) the 49ers had, they went 0 and 3 without Trent Williams. 12 and 2 with him. With him they scored 32 points a game. Without him 17 points a game. Both Kimes and her guest agreed Williams had a serious claim to being the NFL MVP. w v
Top Secret Update from my incognito position, deep in the heart of 49er territory:
On the flagship radio station this morning, there is some serious concern. Trent Williams is the glue, decidedly. They broke down all the other OL on the 9ers, and apart from Williams, the belief is that the OL is resembling the OL that Russell Wilson suffered behind in Seattle. While they value Aiyuk, and want him back, they don’t think his absence sinks the season. They do think that no Trent Williams = Lost Season.
Here’s the situation: Williams has no guaranteed money on his contract. Unlike Aiyuk, Williams is not making a scene. He’s in Texas. He’s told the 49ers that that is where he will be until he gets a new deal. No fanfare. Nothing. But the way Williams sees it, he’s the best LOT in the NFL, and he should be paid that way. The wrinkle is that the 49ers are going to have to give Purdy $60m/year at the end of this season, and Williams – with no guaranteed money – is an easy cut because ALL of his money would be freed up. No cap hit. So that’s his position, and not surprisingly, he doesn’t find that situation acceptable.
Signing Williams is going to cost some other guys on the roster, though (next year).
Bottom line is that the window is closing on this group, and a rebuild around Purdy is on the way. And they have a shaky OL heading into this season.
For those of you who don’t know much about football, shaky OLs are not helpful.
ZooeyModeratorTo me, gymnastics is the pinnacle of sports
This is why we always whisper when you leave the room.
ZooeyModeratorI thought of Deion, but he wasn’t as good at baseball as Bo was. Bo played in both the Pro Bowl AND the MLB All-Star game. To say nothing of his decathlete resume.
Thorpe played professional football, baseball, and basketball, although the leagues were not what they are today. He also won gold medals in the Olympics for the Pentathlon AND Decathlon, winning 8 of the 15 events outright. So… make of all that what you will.
ZooeyModeratorFrom TheRamsWire:
Interesting that they kept 5 ILBs this year when they had only 3 last year. I’m guessing one of those 5 guys is gone when JimmyG is activated.
ZooeyModeratordoes anyone mind if I mentally pronounce our new MLB’s name as Omar Spatz?
Omar – You come at the king….
Okay. But I’m going to spell it Spatz, too. Maybe I should have warned you of that that beforehand, but I think it was implied.
ZooeyModeratorTo be considered the greatest athlete you have to be great at more than one athletic skill in my book. Decathletes, triathletes, etc. That’s why Phelps doesn’t cut it for me. He’s only a swimmer. Bo Jackson obviously deserves consideration. He was great at track, football and baseball which encompasses a wide range of skills.
I lean that way myself, but in 120+ years of Olympic games, and Phelps has 23 Golds and the second most is 9. That is ridiculous. So maybe Phelps gets the consolation of “most dominant athlete in a single sport.” His domination has to exceed Tiger Woods’ run at the top, although – the thing is – I don’t care about swimming even a tiny bit. I’m not sure I ever saw Phelps race. I must have at some point, but I am not an enthusiast of the Olympics.
Bo, though, was dominant in multiple sports. I can’t think of anybody else, actually.
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