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ZooeyModeratorOnly the first minute of this is about Kupp.
March 18, 2025 at 10:44 am in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155586March 18, 2025 at 10:35 am in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155585March 18, 2025 at 9:15 am in reply to: 1st FA wave over, assessments + 2nd wave of signings & extensions #155582ZooeyModeratorMeanwhile in the last 2 years, after they had a serious re-evaluation of their drafting, they have had 7 hits in rounds 1-3, which now includes 6 starters (Avilla, Turner, Young, Verse, Fiske, Kinchens), or an unbelievable 85.7% hit rate.
If they can keep this up, they will be getting a few more players. Or to be more specific, if the percentages stay the same or close to the same, they will be getting 4-5 starting and/or contributing players out of this draft.
Just to be absolutely clear, I am not complaining about the Rams’ drafting ability.
I think I read something here a year or so ago about the Rams’ ranking in draft success, and they were up there, but not really at the top. I don’t know how you can really do any better than the Rams have done. Of course, the past two drafts have been off the charts, it seems like. Not just guys who stuck, but guys who are substantially better than their draft positions.
Yeah. Another draft like the past two, please.
March 18, 2025 at 9:11 am in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155581ZooeyModeratoryeah. they’re the same age but injuries have clearly got the best of kupp. i love kupp, and it was a bummer to see, but this one you could see a mile away.
141 out of 159 is not what you want in your #2 wideout. That’s not good enough for your #3 WR.
March 17, 2025 at 9:48 pm in reply to: 1st FA wave over, assessments + 2nd wave of signings & extensions #155579ZooeyModeratorThey have a hole or 2 to fill but this is already a better team that the one that game just short against the Eagles on the road in the snow.’
Adams and Ford are good signings. They are set up to draft well. This will be a better team than the one that took the division last year.
Last year they got solid to great contributions from 6 draft picks: Verse, Fiske, Kinchens, Karty, Limmer, and Whittington (ie. with Whitt it was not just on offense, on different special teams units too). That includes the defensive rookie of the year.
In the last 3 drafts combined they had 9 6th round picks. Usually the hit rate on round 6 is anywhere from 2% to 8.84%, depending on your source. That means that 9 6th round picks should yield at best 1 player. But of out of those 9 Rams picks I would say so far that we know the Rams hit on 5: Lake (2022), Ethan Evans (2023), and 3 from 2024: Whittington, Karty, & Limmer. That’s a 55.6% hit rate. They have 4 more 6th round picks in 2025.
So IMO if they continue this good streak drafting, they ought to come up with 4-5 players, ie. counting
both immediate and depth/future contributors. As a result, the 2025 team could be even better than we already know it is.And now that they’re set at P and K, they can focus on drafting a long-snapper.
March 17, 2025 at 8:44 pm in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155574ZooeyModerator
ZooeyModeratorI don’t get paying Tutu 10 mil while letting Kupp go. But what are ya gonna do? He’ll be missed.
Anyway, Nacua is the man now, and Adams should be a strong #2, if he stays healthy.
It will be interesting to see if the wideout room retains its emphasis on selfless play, blocking, etc. They lost a lot of “intangibles” with Kupp going, just as they did with Woods . . .
Woods inoculated me for Kupp. Both guys still had tread on the tires, and I deeply disliked trading Woods, but honestly, the Rams didn’t seem to miss him.
And it’s not the money. They did not ask to restructure. McVay wanted a different array at wideout, I think. It’s strictly football. Unless Kupp is physically cooked.
But Seattle – I don’t know the structure of the deal – but I believe they would have done due diligence before a 3-year deal. Run him through the machines to have a look etc.
And with how gd excited McVay was about Adams, I think he wanted diversity in his WR weapons. It’s wild how unique Kupp was… until Puka came in with the same skill set, but bigger and younger and cheaper. I’m just leaning into the belief that McVay wants the entire range of top shelf kitchen knives to cook up some offensive destruction.
ZooeyModeratorI don’t like that.
ZooeyModeratorI’m here for it.
How Sean McVay’s aggressive recruiting style brought Davante Adams to L.A.
By Jourdan Rodrigue
5Mar. 13, 2025 1:42 pm PDT
LOS ANGELES — Despite a time difference of 16 hours between California and Japan, where star receiver Davante Adams was vacationing with friends after his March 4 release from the New York Jets, he still felt Sean McVay’s urgency to bring him to Los Angeles.McVay sent Adams two highlight videos featuring several plays from when Adams was a member of the Packers, Raiders and Jets (particularly the latter two teams as they were Adams’ most recent). The head coach filmed his computer screen with his phone as he went through each play, which were organized into different categories that illustrated how Adams would fit in the offense, what McVay saw as his gifts and how McVay and Adams could schematically adjust depending on how defenders covered him. McVay narrated each play in detailed fashion, spanning about 10 total minutes between the two videos.
Adams had just woken up from a nap when he got the first video, he told The Athletic on Thursday afternoon.
“It wasn’t loaded, I’m like, ‘What is going on?’ I could kind of see what the cover was, but it wouldn’t load all the way. … I’m sitting here like, ‘Is it my Wi-Fi?’ But everything else (was) working fine. Then I looked down at my phone, it said (it was) loaded, and I tapped it and it said ‘seven minutes long‘,” he said. “I’m like, ‘oh my God, what is this?!’
“I hear how it starts, he’s got it blocked off clip by clip. He’s narrating. He’s talking about everything. I’m laughing at the beginning, and then I start watching it. Started to kind of feel it a little bit, I like this energy. I love that he’s unapologetically himself, doesn’t try to be anybody different. He’s all ball. It really aligned with everything I knew about him.”
Adams recognized the organization of the clips as typical for evaluators who put together cut-up reels for prospective players. But they’re not usually narrated by the head coach — nor are they sent to the player directly. That was when he knew how serious McVay was about signing him.
“It was kind of ‘Jon Gruden-esque’ a little bit, you know how he is with ball,” Adams said, smiling. He met local reporters for the first time Thursday morning at the Rams’ Woodland Hills, Calif., facility shortly after returning from Japan. “He’s breaking down every single clip. … He’s just going through everything, talking about it like he’s — I thought he took that job to be on TV for a minute, when I was watching it! Just shows how much ball means to him, how much of a priority I was for him and the rest of the guys here.”
Adams and McVay first met at the Kentucky Derby in 2019, during which McVay praised the receiver. Yet Adams, a three-time All-Pro who is coming off his fifth consecutive 1,000-yard season, wouldn’t become a free agent for the first time in his 11-year career until this spring.
“(For him) to have the opportunity to make sure it didn’t slip away — because he certainly made sure it did not slip away — that was something that drew me kind of even closer to the Rams, just knowing how much I was wanted,” he said. “Having different players reach out, too, that was another thing that meant a lot to me. It’s a good feeling just being wanted and knowing what you still can contribute and bring to the game. It’s always good when the other side, or the organization, views you the same way as you view yourself.”
Even on the day Adams’ agent agreed to the Rams’ terms for his two-year and $46 million contract, Adams got two initial phone calls while still in Japan: one from his agent, one from McVay.
“I thought he was out there, too,” Adams quipped, “I was talking to (McVay) more than I was talking to my wife.”
Adams, 32, is from East Palo Alto, Calif., and has family in California.
“Being from California, obviously coming back and being really close to home, having my family in my backyard (and) a lot of friends in the area … Having my support system,” he said. “Because I’m a real simple dude. My family and friends just mean a lot to me. Being able to have them have easy access to me out here (is a) good feeling for me just knowing I get to kind of have that support, keep it real tight and stay close to family.”
But, he added, it was the Rams’ attentiveness that stood out to him among other prospective teams that expressed interest in signing him.
“Definitely the most eager organization to reach out,” he said, “whether it was the understanding of contracts (or the) understanding of my game, and obviously having the opportunity to play with Matthew (Stafford) is a heck of an opportunity. And obviously the rest of the team, too. Being able to be with a contender at this point in my career is something I’ve been waiting for for a while now. Been putting the work in to make it happen. Now we’ve got it, so it’s exciting.”
McVay has a reputation as a dedicated recruiter if he has his mind set on a player. The Rams were aggressive in their pursuit of defensive tackle Poona Ford as the legal tampering period began, for example, after pro scouts and coaches identified Ford as a top priority to add to their ascending defensive line.
“Oh, man, he’s a character,” Ford said of McVay in his introductory news conference. “He’s a good coach, you know?”
McVay’s initial recruitment of Stafford is a well-known story by now. The coach and veteran quarterback encountered each other in Cabo San Lucas in 2021 while on separate trips as Stafford was seeking a trade from Detroit, and broke down film over drinks. McVay then convinced owner Stan Kroenke and other top executives to approve the trade, which began the Rams’ Super Bowl run that season.
In late February, an early-morning meeting with Stafford at the team facility set by McVay helped the quarterback and team reach an agreement during an ongoing contract dispute despite Stafford’s financial offers from the New York Giants and Las Vegas Raiders, should he have decided to play elsewhere.
Even the backup quarterbacks McVay has taken a shine to get an extensive pitch when free agency begins. Jimmy Garoppolo, who league sources said was considered as a possible replacement/bridge quarterback if the Rams couldn’t work things out with Stafford, has heard plenty from the head coach over the past two offseasons. Garoppolo re-signed with the Rams last week on a one-year deal.
“He is a good recruiter, man. He’s a smooth talker (and has) high energy, which I really enjoy,” Garoppolo said, smiling. “Every time I talk to him on the phone I say like 10 words. He’s talking so fast, in a good way though. It’s his high energy. He has a point to make and I love that about him. There’s no BS’ing around.”
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ZooeyModeratorI can’t watch any of these tribute/hi-lite videos yet. Too soon.
It must be painful for you to watch highlights of Kupp torching the Seahawks. It’s fine. Take your time.
ZooeyModeratorAs Cooper Kupp’s difficult Rams ending intersects with new beginnings, a team goal is clear
INGLEWOOD, CALIFORNIA – DECEMBER 08: Puka Nacua #17 and Cooper Kupp #10 of the Los Angeles Rams look on during the second quarter of a game against the Buffalo Bills at SoFi Stadium on December 08, 2024 in Inglewood, California. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)
By Jourdan Rodrigue
21Mar. 13, 2025Updated 3:24 am PDT
LOS ANGELES — Endings stink.They can be especially difficult in the NFL, where the rare fairytale — player walks into the sunset of retirement after a championship, on his terms and with his preferred team — happens every so often, enough to believe it’s possible.
More often, it doesn’t. More often, an ending is a hard thing. A one-sided thing, as Los Angeles Rams longtime star receiver Cooper Kupp has made clear over the last several weeks as the team worked with his representatives to first trade him, then ultimately released him Wednesday as the new league year began.
Kupp believes he can still contribute to an offense at a high level. Rams coach Sean McVay wants to rebuild his passing game through third-year star Puka Nacua. In free agency this week, the team sought perimeter and speed threats to complement Nacua, nabbing top-tier veteran receiver Davante Adams and extending homegrown receiver Tutu Atwell. It’s likely the Rams look to the draft, too.
Kupp has been the subject of trade conversations for months, so while this ending is difficult, it also felt inevitable. Only Kupp, though, could thread the needle as a catalyst for the team in his arrival as a third-round draft pick in 2017 and his exit.
In spring 2017, McVay started his first offseason program as a head coach. The Rams, led by McVay’s vision for his offense, leaned toward tight ends and fullbacks in the draft (Gerald Everett, who was supposed to join Tyler Higbee in a 12 personnel-heavy scheme and Sam Rogers). Yet Kupp impressed the coach immediately as OTAs began.
As McVay and then-offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur installed the offense, McVay was distracted by the fact that Kupp was substituting out of the offense when it switched to 12 personnel, or two tight ends. It bothered the young head coach that one of his best players kept coming off the field. Thus, McVay’s 11 personnel (three receivers) system was born, led by the tandem of Kupp and veteran Robert Woods, two willing and expert blockers in the run game who did the dirty work and the finesse work in the pass game.
McVay didn’t have to substitute players, which allowed him to kill defenses with tempo while keeping many of his pre-snap looks the same. He could still run a wide range of 11, 12 and even 13 personnel concepts out of those looks. The Rams overwhelmed the league with their offensive output. The NFL changed. More teams run 11 personnel than ever. Defenses changed, too, to combat the flood of three-receiver sets.
Kupp, who tore an ACL in 2018 as the Rams went on a Super Bowl run (eventually losing to the New England Patriots), got his catharsis and redemption in 2021 during a triple crown-winning season. Rams fans won’t forget it.
Fourth quarter, fourth-and-1, backed up deep in their own territory by the Bengals in Super Bowl LVI. It was a play that had failed multiple times in practice the previous week: Matthew Stafford, Kupp and a jet sweep that kept the drive and their dream alive. The air got sucked out of SoFi Stadium as Stafford placed the ball in Kupp’s arms, then it whooshed from exhales and celebration when Kupp converted. He scored the go-ahead and ultimately game-winning touchdown a few plays (and yes, Bengals fans, penalties) later.
Now, his exit intersects with another big moment in team history. By overhauling his passing game to run through a player not named Kupp for the first time in his head coaching tenure, McVay has moved the Rams into a new era. The second Stafford agreed to return to the Rams for at least another season, that era got a name.
The moves the Rams made in free agency only solidify the message: shoring up their run defense by adding Poona Ford, bringing back Stafford’s previous center Coleman Shelton, extending Stafford’s blind-side protector Alaric Jackson, signing Adams and extending Atwell to complement a young roster with 10 starters from the last two drafts.
Los Angeles will try to make another run at a championship two years after gutting most of its Super Bowl roster and sprint-rebuilding back into contention much earlier than most expected.
Kupp, of course, was part of that effort. There isn’t a new star receiver — the brilliant Nacua, a fifth-round pick who will now be the No. 1 in McVay’s offense — without the old one. Kupp has mentored Nacua. He set a blueprint for the scouting staff that led to Nacua’s eventual selection in 2023. Kupp’s absence due to the injuries that have plagued him since 2021 (and eventually became a factor in his exit in L.A.) even set the table for Nacua to play much earlier than a rookie usually would in McVay’s system.
Now, Kupp will play somewhere else. His ending is still a beginning for himself, the Rams and another team. And football churns onward, its moments of irony often bittersweet to its participants.
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ZooeyModeratorAnd beyond the cap, and the financial side of this, so disappointed it had to end this way for Kupp and the Rams. Set expectations too high after that super crazy year.
Every Rams fan will remember Cooper Kupp fondly. And what a brief tandem he was with Nacua.
I think back on the GSOT, and the way Bruce and Holt were just lasers who would just get open, make the catch, and dive to avoid contact. And fans of other teams mocked them for that, and I didn’t care. Why take a lick just to make it 16 yards instead of 15 when they were going to get 15 on the next play, too?
But watching Kupp for years, and then Nacua, turn that extra yard into 7 extra yards again and again…well…I liked that, too. And Kupp was unstoppable, and he got open, made tough catches, broke away, got those extra yards. He was the man. I will always wonder if the Rams beat the Pats in the Super Bowl if he wasn’t out. What would the Rams’ and Goff’s storyline have looked like if that happened?
You gotta wonder if all that physical play took a toll on him. 8 years isn’t a long career for a WR. And Kupp was one of the best. And I just gotta believe that he’s basically done. I dunno. Maybe it’s just that his skills duplicate Nacua’s, and Nacua is a lot cheaper and younger. Maybe McVay just doesn’t need two guys like that, and he thinks he can light up the league with a different assortment of WRs, and that’s that. I hope Kupp goes to the Steelers or Broncos or somebody I don’t care about, so that I can wish him well.
ZooeyModeratorI know you guys have always hated Kupp, but I think he has enough integrity, to say nothing of personal pride, to steer clear of the 49ers.
March 12, 2025 at 3:24 pm in reply to: The guys who left–Rams trade aways & free agency attrition #155465ZooeyModeratorNo surprise, but it’s over.
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March 11, 2025 at 10:35 pm in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155457ZooeyModerator2 different views.
We’ll tell.
Time will see.
Hey! That’s an interesting phrase you came up with there. Very useful in talking about things like player predictions. I like it better than “outcomes can be unpredictable so events will reveal themselves to us in time.”
If you don’t mind, I’m going to use it too.
In fact I really think it will catch on.
Time will see.
March 11, 2025 at 9:56 pm in reply to: around the league: including, Seahawks Trade Geno Smith to the Raiders #155452ZooeyModeratorMore details: Joey Bosa gets $12M guaranteed with upside to $15.6M, source says.
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ZooeyModeratorThe LA Rams steal a perfect Jonah Jackson replacement as Bears hibernate
This move is a perfect solution to the vacancy created by Jonah Jackson.
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Bret Stuter
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Mar 10, 2025
When the LA Rams entered the 2024 NFL Free Agency market, the plan for the team was to re-sign starting center Coleman Shelton. But the Rams noticed the availability of former Detroit Lions Pro Bowl interior offensive lineman Jonah Jackson, and quickly pivoted from Shelton to Jackson. The Rams signed Jonah Jackson to a three-year deal worth up to $51 million. But when the time came to suit up for the regular season, Jonah Jackson was injured in Week 1. That sent rookie center Beaux Limmter onto the football field.And Limmer never looked back.
Beaux Limmer, unlike the failed offseason experiments of Jonah Jackson or Steve Avila, is a natural center. As such, he fit quickly into the task of hiking the football while bracing to block determined defensive linemen and linebackers who had a full head of steam up to greet the ball carrier. And I won’t lie. as the season progressed, I wondered to myself why the Rams abandoned the original plan to re-sign Coleman Shelton.
Well, the Rams permitted Jonah Jackson to seek a trade, and the Chicago Bears were happy to reach a deal. Not only did the Bears step up to take Jonah Jackson off the Rams’ hands for the price of a Round 6 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, but they were happy to retain his compensation, projecting him as their starting left guard.
Still, the trade of Jonah Jackson to the Chicago Bears leaves the Rams roster one player shy of a full complement of backup interior offensive linemen. The Rams tendered ERFA C Dylon McMahon, and have IOL Justin Dedich. But the team would have to repurpose an offensive tackle to backup right guard Kevin Dotson.
Well, the LA Rams snuck in and stole free agent interior offensive lineman Coleman Shelton back from the Bears after being a 17-game starter for the Bears. While the Bears were busying forming a new starting offensive line, the Rams quietly but swiftly have come to terms with former starting center Coleman Shelton. While terms of the deal are not yet available, expectations are that the team has a team-friendly deal with Shelton to compete for either a starting or backup role in 2025:
While he didn’t work out with the Bears, he did perform rather admirably. In 1121 offensive snaps, Shelton allowed three quarterback sacks and committed four penalties. His overall grade in 2024 from Pro Football Focus was 66.4. For comparison purposes, rookie center Beaux Limmer struggled a bit in 2024. In 915 offensive snaps, he allowed one quarterback sack but committed nine penalties. While his overall PFF grade of 57.6 is not bad, his pass blocking grade of 42.3 is alarming.
The team knows that Coleman Shelton is better at pass blocking than that. So in one simple signing, the Rams have place Beaux Limmer on notice. Get better, or we will start a center who can. And as luck would have it, that replacement player is the very starting offensive center that the Chicago Bears replaced in this 2025 NFL Free Agency market.
The Rams ended up with Coleman Shelton, and a Round 6 pick, for Jonah Jackson. In the end, the Rams came out much further ahead in this deal than I had originally expected.
March 11, 2025 at 7:36 pm in reply to: around the league: including, Seahawks Trade Geno Smith to the Raiders #155439ZooeyModeratorRams Bros.@RamsBrothers
So, the 49ers:• Traded Deebo Samuel (Commanders), and released Kyle Juszczyk
• Lost the following in Free Agency: Aaron Banks (Packers), Charvarius Ward (Colts), Talanoa Hufanga (Broncos), Dre Greenlaw (Broncos), Jaylon Moore (Chiefs), Elijah Mitchell (Chiefs), Josh Dobbs (Patriots)Must suck to start a rebuild without a ring to look back on…
Oh, boy.
Leonard Floyd just left the 49ers for the Falcons. Looks like a rebuild, and looks like they will be building around Brock Purdy.
March 11, 2025 at 7:24 pm in reply to: around the league: including, Seahawks Trade Geno Smith to the Raiders #155438ZooeyModeratorMcVay has a real chance to sweep Shannahan again.
I am in favor of that.
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vJust think: if McCaffrey continues to age disgracefully, and Kittle gets old, and Aiyuk gets zero votes for Comeback Player of the Year, then Purdy is going to look very pedestrian, and Shanahan will find his seat warming up.
March 11, 2025 at 7:18 pm in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155437ZooeyModeratorand i’m only putting this out so the universe can prove me wrong.
And we all thank you for your service. Your sacrifice will certainly be noted when we discuss and vote on the posting awards after the season.
March 11, 2025 at 10:58 am in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155428ZooeyModeratorMarch 11, 2025 at 10:41 am in reply to: around the league: including, Seahawks Trade Geno Smith to the Raiders #155427ZooeyModeratorRams Bros.@RamsBrothers
So, the 49ers:• Traded Deebo Samuel (Commanders), and released Kyle Juszczyk
• Lost the following in Free Agency: Aaron Banks (Packers), Charvarius Ward (Colts), Talanoa Hufanga (Broncos), Dre Greenlaw (Broncos), Jaylon Moore (Chiefs), Elijah Mitchell (Chiefs), Josh Dobbs (Patriots)Must suck to start a rebuild without a ring to look back on…
It’s kind of sad. I hope for the 49ers’ sake that at least they over-commit and overpay Brock Purdy, and he turns into David Carr.
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New #Jaguars TE Hunter Long’s deal: Two years, $5 million with a $6 million max value. GM James Gladstone taps into a familiar face from his time with the #Rams.Well, that’ll put the Jags back in contention.
How about those Bears, huh? Added 2 solid Guards and a Center. Looks like they intend to protect Caleb Williams more seriously this year.
I like getting Shelton back. While Limmer amazed us all last year, I never reached full confidence in him. Now they need depth and development at OT, another TE, WR, and RB, and the offense is set.
A shutdown CB and a ILB who can tackle Barkley would just about put a bow on it.
March 10, 2025 at 8:28 pm in reply to: why Davonte Adams is good…update, must read: Matt Bowen on Adams #155413ZooeyModeratori’m a little worried. just looking for examples of wrs who remained productive beyond age 32. it’s slim. there’s rice. marvin harrison. muhsin muhammad. and not much else.
Remember he’s brought in to be a #2.
The Rams like Wittington, and they will certainly take a WR in the draft.
March 10, 2025 at 2:52 pm in reply to: around the league: including, Seahawks Trade Geno Smith to the Raiders #155401ZooeyModeratorThe other shoe:
The rumblings coming out of the Geno Smith trade look to indeed have produced a deal. Sam Darnold is expected to head to Seattle as the team’s first outside QB1 addition since Russell Wilson 13 years ago.Darnold and the #Seahawks are finalizing a deal worth nearly $100MM, #NFL.com’s Ian…
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