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ZooeyModeratorok i take that back. i do believe the rams could have gotten a first round pick for bradford, so i’m going to have to rethink this one.
Yeah, but they couldn’t get a first round pick AND a QB who can start.
ZooeyModeratorZooey wrote:
what cap usage can actually be ascribed to this trade.Depends on what you mean by that. They gained 13 M. Actually more like 11+ M because they also took on Foles’s cap hit. Is it possible to figure out which specific players they got or will get with that money? I doubt that’s possible. But in the end, when you tally it all up, they will have had 11 M more in cap space than if he had stayed. Is that decisive? I doubt it. Because along with taking on Foles’s 1+ M contract, they also took on his upcoming free agency. Right now starting qbs up for their 2nd contract get around 19 M. So either they don’t like Foles or that, more or less, is what they will have to pay to keep him.
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I understand there is really no way to figure this out.
But I can keep the whole matter under investigation in the media, various congressional sub-committees, and in the courts for a year or two. In the mean time, I can avoid taking a stand on the trade until the time at which I can judge it in hindsight while claiming I was right all along.
ZooeyModeratorI still wanna see what they do with the cap space. And I will need somebody to explain to me what cap usage can actually be ascribed to this trade.
March 15, 2015 at 12:30 pm in reply to: Is Stefen Wisniewski leaving the Raiders to play guard? #20606ZooeyModeratorZooey wrote:
Just in terms of positional preference, I would prefer a veteran center over a veteran guard.But I don’t know anything about Wiz or Blalock.
It is scary, though, how eager the Raiders were to move on from Wisniewski.
Yeah. The scuttlebutt is the Raiders felt like Wiz wasn’t gonna become the “elite” center they wanted. They said he regressed last year. Plus, the Raiders had a crap load of cap space, and Hudson was available.
So a perfect storm I guess.
Wiz is gonna end up somewhere, and right now Seattle wants him, bad. That bugs me. I don’t want Seattle to get him. I want their O-line to stink.
The Rams will have to pay him more than Seattle to get him. Seattle has to be a more desirable destination that St. Louis right now, so I don’t see the Rams getting him.
ZooeyModeratorYeah. I’m with ya. I understand the need for good D-lineman in this league, but the Rams have serious needs on the o-line. Why spend money on another DT? Or at least, why spend it right now?
PFF rates Fairly as “good” overall, whatever that means.
I’d rather have 2 or 3, “above average” o-lineman than another good DT. right now.
I don’t know. Maybe Fairly will be a beast. I doubt it, but we’ll see.
They had only two DTs on the roster. Even with the Fairley signing, they will probably still add another one. What’s more, Fairley – with all his vast upside – is cheaper than keeping Langford would have been.
Meanwhile the prices are dropping on OL. The cost of resigning Barksdale is going down, not up.
ZooeyModeratorI wondered that about Bradford, too. If he had a good year with the Rams, what does his next contract look like? Too expensive, for too long?
But what would the market bear? I wouldn’t think anybody would want to lock him up without playing time incentives being a big part of the deal. I dunno.
ZooeyModeratorZooey wrote:
Herzog was making a crack on JT.
Cuz he was out of the loop on the Bradford trade.I see no reason to defend Her-zog.
Its a well-known fact he’s been a trouble-maker
in this quadrant of the galaxy for eons.
He’s brought down worlds. And boards. Heck
i remember the board-war he and RamRock started
on the old Grits-board. No…he’s up to something.
Bears watching.w
v
“I am Wrath. I had neither father nor mother: I leaped out of a lion’s mouth when I was scarce half an hour old, and ever since I have run up and down the world, with this case of rapiers, wounding myself when I had nobody to fight withal. I was born in hell – and look to it, for some of you shall be my father.”
Christopher Marlowe, Doctor FaustusWell, I’ve kept legions of posters busy following me around with mops and brooms to clean up after my smartassery, so I thought it would be brotherly to to return the favor. But maybe it was ill-considered with Herzog. You’re right, he’s probably trying to bring the board down, or something. Someone should alert the media…Bernie, maybe.
March 15, 2015 at 10:35 am in reply to: Is Stefen Wisniewski leaving the Raiders to play guard? #20590ZooeyModeratorJust in terms of positional preference, I would prefer a veteran center over a veteran guard.
But I don’t know anything about Wiz or Blalock.
It is scary, though, how eager the Raiders were to move on from Wisniewski.
ZooeyModeratorHerzog wrote:
as if JT knows.Just passing along the info.
Herzog was making a crack on JT. Cuz he was out of the loop on the Bradford trade.
ZooeyModeratorHow does anybody know how proactive the Rams were? How do we know they didn’t contact the Browns?
ZooeyModeratorOK, then why lie about it to the local beat reporters? I can see JT’s frustrations.
Because you don’t want rumors of Bradford’s trade being turned into a media circus. And the only way to control that is to control that. The moment it’s a shared secret, you cannot control how or where it is shared.
ZooeyModeratorI think I read somewhere that Foles is not much of a vocal leader, either.
ZooeyModeratorI think this is the source of Fisher’s frustration. If we take that statement as truth, then the Rams were basically selling a line of bull the whole time. And, it’s like they were really in Bradford’s camp the whole time. Which is odd, because why wouldn’t you just stay quiet and give out signals that you were shopping Bradford. Maybe you get more offers.
Or, the statement above is untrue.
Maybe JT’s just tired of the bull crap. I could see that.
You assume NFL executives rely on ESPN for their information about who’s on the market. They all know that PR is a separate thing. I think we can safely bet that there were few, if any, teams surprised by Bradford’s trade.
ZooeyModeratorA few of us were talking about Thomas 2 or 3 weeks ago. I think he’s been souring on the Rams for a while. He can’t talk to Kroenke, and he’s not liking the stadium/LA/move stuff, and he posted the day before Bradford’s trade that he had a source he trusted inside the building tell him there was nothing going on with Foles.
He isn’t happy.
ZooeyModerator– X – wrote:
not all is as it seemed.That is a cryptic response given your swan song in which the lyrics lacked ambiguity. Don’t hog the cake.
I am a big fan of your word choice there.
Delightful understatement.
It was so unambiguous, I’m pretty sure the post had a Parental Advisory label slapped on it later.
I’d say the last time I saw X, he was clutching daggers in both hands, arms dripping blood, and howling at the moon. But that was then, and this is now, and I have rued X’s absence from the board a number of times. He’s a good poster, a Bringer of Good Stuff to the board.
So, let me say, I’m glad you’re back, X.
ZooeyModeratorYes.
BTW, I see Jake Locker is retiring. That’s a surprise. He came out after Bradford.
ZooeyModeratorHold the attitude that, as pujari, you are a servant of the Gods, a channel for the spiritual energies. Only thoughts of God are on your mind as you perform puja, thus enhancing the outpouring of divine blessings. Tradition provides a caution: you should never perform puja during or within 31 days of experiencing severe anger or other deep emotional upset, but it is all right to attend”.
Given all of the raw emotion and angst over “The Trade”, I’m thinking you probably wanna steer away from this. At least 31 days. It does say you can attend, just not do your own. Maybe start slow, and work up to something next month, or after OTA’s begin.
Ah, GEEZ, that pisses me off. I already bought the camphor lamp.
Damn, Damn, Damn.
ZooeyModeratorSo…is Dunbar gone? Is/was he a FA? I don’t recall seeing his name this off-season.
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ZooeyModeratorGuys, I’m getting old. But I do watch pre-season games. And I don’t really remember this Keenum guy. If a die hard Ram fan doesn’t remember him at all … does that mean he’s pretty forgettable?
I think they picked him up during the season, after Hill got hurt.
ZooeyModeratorThey may not be happy with Brockers, but the interest in Fairley does not mean that. It means they need more DTs since they lost Langford. They have only 7 DL now, I think: Long, Quinn, Sims, Hayes, Brockers, Donald, and Westbrook. ‘Tisn’t enough.
March 12, 2015 at 2:31 pm in reply to: DeMarco Murray expects to be an Eagle? … now, Murray IS an Eagle #20232ZooeyModeratorDo they not know Bradford is not allowed
to have weapons.w
vHe can have a RB.
It’s WRs he can’t have. And – not that I follow Philly closely – but I understand they have been clearing the roster of receiving threats.
ZooeyModeratorI had it all worked out from my little GM seat on the couch – the Rams would pick up a couple of water buffaloes for the OL, and Bradford would come back to top form, throwing successfully to a not bad group of receivers.
Now that that little bubble has burst, the OL is still a concern. Foles is coming off an injury, and it has been said that he is not good under pressure. Hope they keep him safe and happy.
Think he’ll be “horns-worthy”?
Yeah. I was looking forward to seeing Bradford in a decent environment, too.
I think Foles will be one of those quarterbacks I will have to think hard to remember in ten years when we try to list all of the QBs who started between Warner and Whoever.
But I’m going to do a little Ganesh puja tomorrow, and hope for the best.
ZooeyModeratorbradford is only better than foles if he actually plays.
my expectation is that bradford doesn’t even start the season.
He played in the pre-season last year with two months less recovery time than he has had this time. The only way he doesn’t start the season is if he gets hurt AGAIN. But maybe that’s what you meant.
ZooeyModeratorPer Jim Thomas: Rams have reached out to Detroit DT Nick Fairly. No visit scheduled as of yet.
DT? That’s the wrong side of the ball,ain’t it? S’post ta be OL, OL and then OL.
They lost Langford.
ZooeyModeratorGo back through history and find examples of quarterbacks who did well with only five offensive linemen on the team. I’ll save you the time.
There aren’t any.
So to blame Foles for the lack of offensive production at this point is just ridiculous.
March 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #20105ZooeyModeratorI bet there aren’t many starting NFL QBs whose parents have greater net worth than they do.
ZooeyModeratorI take it for granted that the Rams tried to extend him, and couldn’t agree to anything.
There’s a lot of things here.
Bradford is better than Foles. And I think a lot better. I was looking forward to seeing him play with actual receivers and an OL. Of course – even now – at the end of Bradford’s contract – there is no certainty the Rams are going to have that. Which is why I didn’t want Bradford in the first place; I wanted Suh. I think it’s better to add a young QB to a good offense rather than start with a good QB and build around him. But I liked what I saw of Bradford, and think he is a good QB.
I don’t like the deal. Yet. If I had thought about a Bradford trade, I think I would have imagined a bit more in the deal. Yet the Rams reportedly had more than one team interested in Bradford, and they discussed this for weeks with the Eagles. This is what they could get. And it isn’t terrible. They got a guy who, at worst, is mediocre, and frankly that’s better than what a lot of teams have at the position. Both QBs have upside, and both are a gamble. Truly, in three years time, one of these teams could look brilliant and the other team look completely ridiculous for this trade, and right now, there is no certainty which team is which. We don’t know.
An interesting aspect of the deal is the salary cap clearance.
Apparently that mattered to the Rams. It BETTER have mattered. What are they going to do with that cap space? Because that is a significant part of this equation. What they do with that money actually has to be factored into this deal. Will it allow them to keep productive players they would lose otherwise? Are they going to buy a FA or two that they couldn’t have afforded without this?
So, I dunno. I think we have to see what they do with that cap space to get the whole picture, but my first reaction is – No. I wouldn’t have made this trade.
ZooeyModeratorNo NFL ticket!! – that’s crazy talk there. I’d have to watch the vikings every week or talk to my wife more. Not many solid options there.
Well. I’ve never had NFL Ticket, and wouldn’t have got it no matter what anyway.
ZooeyModeratorI wanna puke.
I am not going to buy season tickets this year. I am not even going to get NFL Ticket. That’s that.
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