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September 14, 2016 at 3:56 pm in reply to: 49ers could tell by alignment exactly what the Rams route tree was #52880
ZooeyModeratorI have difficulty believing that that claim is true (i.e. they knew the route trees). I have a hard time believing that the Rams don’t have multiple routes they run from any given formation. There are only so many formations to begin with, but a lot of different routes.
Though I do wonder if the WRs have a limited number of routes they run, so that if Britt lines up here, he tends to run one of these three routes. When he’s there, he runs these other routes. So if they were playing man-to-man, they might have a better idea of the options.
ZooeyModeratorHey, X, I love reading your posts. I wish you were here more often.
That was a great post, and I want to respond to it, but I have to wait until tomorrow cuz it’s time to go to bed.
I don’t know about the location of this discussion. I will leave that to the mods. I have always wanted a single board, but I am a minority view on that, and I get why people believe separate boards are healthier for the community. But wherever this goes, I will follow. Tomorrow.
ZooeyModeratorYou know–to me the most disturbing thing of all may not even be the offense.
What the heck is wrong with the defense? I mean–this is an honest question–I’m not trying to be snide. What went wrong there? I just don’t believe we faced a great 49er offense. or a great QB. The middle of the field was WIDE open. What did they do? What did they change? I know we have technically one linebacker on the field now and it’s a guy who has not played the middle position before. I know that guy appeared to have a bad game. But is this a case of Greg Williams trying to be smarter than everyone else?
What is it?
Did they blitz at all? Why did it take so long to stop Gabbert’s running? It seemed bizarre.
The offense is obviously a disaster–but the defense doesn’t seem to make sense.
Was it simply poor play? Confusion by the players? I have honestly no idea. But I am curious to read everyone’s thoughts.
I agree. If someone had offered me an over/under for the 9ers at 27.5 points, I would have laughed my ass off all the way to bankruptcy. They have Carlos Hyde, and nothing.
ZooeyModeratorwell keenum did not look good yesterday. i think a starting caliber qb does not look that bad against that defense. but maybe you’re right and the niners end up having a good defense capable of completely shutting down an nfl offense.
I think both things are right. He’s not starting caliber, though they can do better than that with him.
And it is possible that the 9ers defense is just much better than many assumed.
But I don’t know precisely what went wrong yesterday. I would have to watch it again.
Yeah, I want to hear from the tape analysis guys, and watch a couple more games. Live…it looked like Keenum was doing a Nick Foles impression, checking down pretty much immediately to somebody in the flat. I don’t understand why we are throwing 15 yards horizontally and 3 yards vertically when it takes the same amount of time to throw 15 yards vertically and 3 yards horizontally. Or whatever. But this has been the Rams for several years now, and it is tiresome. If it worked, I wouldn’t care. But it works like 10% of the time.
They didn’t run Austin, did they? Either from the backfield or an end around.
Well, I will wait for the tale of the tape.
ZooeyModeratorThen – this year – none of the aforementioned excuses apply.
My only real comment is that I would not use the word “excuses.” “Excuses” as a word cannot help but imply that something is being rationalized or in some way or another a true account (ie. a different opinion or interpretation) is being evaded.
ZooeyModerator“Yeah, it’s definitely embarrassing,” said Keenum. “I’m a winner. I know Todd is a winner. Everyone in that locker room is winners.”
I think, technically, one needs to win in order for this statement to be true.
ZooeyModeratorThis made me laugh.
I mean, this is from an opposing player.
I dont even know what to say about this. I mean, he almost sounds disappointed :
“We came out expecting the Rams to play better than they did,”
49ers’ NaVorro Bowman.
ZooeyModeratorYes things have to be interpreted. For example you have already done that. You have interpreted the record as being a direct result of Fisher’s coaching. I don’t.
I interpret the 1st 2 years as a result of rebuilding plus losing a starting qb.
I interpret the next 2 years as being an example of what happens when a team does not have a starting qb AND has issues with the OL.
Given how I see that, 7-9 in 2015 was actually quite an achievement. That is, it doesn’t matter who the coach is if all you have for 2 years is BOTH no qb (only #2 types plus a starter who fell apart and melted down) AND big issues with the OL (injuries, and then inexperience PLUS injuries). I cannot think of any team that won under those dual conditions.
So numbers are not real…they are always the products of interpretation.
YOu look at the numbers and say see, bad coach.
I look at the numbers and say see, what do you expect when they have that kind of double problem.
You think (it seems) it’s natural and inevitable that the coach is the final cause and source of blame for that.
I think it;s natural and inevitable that any coach would have problems if they faced that kind of double problem for 2 years running.
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What I get from that is that one cannot conclude that the first four years were the result of bad coaching because no coach could have won under those circumstances. So the coaching gets a pass. But it doesn’t mean the coaching was GOOD during those four years, only that one cannot prove that it was bad. So the question remains open.
Then – this year – none of the aforementioned excuses apply.
The team has talent.
The team is healthy.
They haven’t changed systems this year, so there is consistency.
And, under those conditions, they rolled out a big bag of suckiness.
One game doesn’t prove anything. But with everything else lined up to go right, they went wrong in dramatic fashion. Could have just been the horoscopes for the day, or something. But coaching is one of the possible explanations.
15 games to go.
ZooeyModeratorWe lacked discipline
I am saddened
Winter is coming
Add “beyond words” to the second line, and you have yourself a fine haiku.
ZooeyModeratorSometimes I think these guys don’t even know what they’re protesting. Just kinda going with whatever someone else is doing because it will elevate them to the class of rebel. I don’t know how much of this discussion is tolerated here, so I’ll just say that these numbnuts have no idea what oppression is. Women who get stoned to death for dating someone they think is cute? That’s oppression. Women prohibited from showing their faces? That’s oppression. Children brainwashed into martyring themselves? That’s oppression. African Americans led by an African American President? That’s not oppression. The Media tricking these guys into believing that there’s oppression? That’s the real crime.
You can’t judge their motives.
And wv is right, imo, that just because something else is worse, that doesn’t invalidate one’s complaint.
The basic complaint is that there is not justice and equality for all in this country. Statistically, blacks get rougher treatment than other groups (especially whites) in all facets of life, but particularly in the criminal justice system where we continue to see examples of non-threatening black men being killed by excessive police force with no admission that this is a problem. But it goes beyond that into more shakedowns, arrests, harsher sentencing, and all the rest of it. While we say “Never Forget” what we suffered on 9/11, we are always telling black people to “get over it” when it comes to nearly four hundred years of injustice.
ZooeyModeratorI can’t remember being this disgusted by a regular season game.
And given that I have followed the Rams since 1968, I have had plenty of opportunities.
I don’t even know what that was. As I said to my son, I have to see more games to know. But they were clearly just out-hustled. The 9ers won the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball with units that are projected to be significantly inferior to the Rams’. The best thing about the Rams last night was Hekker. The only other person who shouldn’t be ashamed of himself is Britt. (And since I have a feeling I will be calling for Sensabaugh’s scalp every week this season, I will do so now, although I don’t think he was any worse than most everyone else last night).
We have been discussing Fisher’s fate for a couple of years, and I have always maintained he was secure through the first season in LA no matter what, but that I thought serious “hot seat” talk could begin as early as this season. I think we are there.
If this is a 7-9 season, there is going to be some assembly of pitchforks and torches.
That was disgusting. If you are going to break out of the 7-9 bullshit, it starts with game one against the undertalented 49ers. They can NOT lose that game. And they didn’t just LOSE. They did not even show up and compete.
It is true that it is a long season, and it is true they could beat the Seahawks next week (the Seahawks didn’t look particularly good), but the stench of this game will last the rest of my life. There are some games one just never forgets, many of them brutal losses.
ZooeyModeratorWill Brinson ✔ @WillBrinson
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10:19 PM – 12 Sep 2016ZooeyModeratorBerman truly sucks.
And that judgement is aside from the fact that he is a 49er homer.
He just sucks as an announcer.
September 12, 2016 at 2:25 pm in reply to: media previews the SF game (including bay area views) #52709ZooeyModeratorI think it’s worth noting that the Los Angeles Rams have not lost a game since 1994, and haven’t lost at home in the coliseum since 1979. You would think that fact would get a little more media attention, but obviously the liberal media doesn’t want people to know the truth.
ZooeyModeratorOstriching?
Is Trump a hypocrite?
Yes or no.
Everyone can change their mind. What matters are ones subsequent actions.
So, no, Trump’s hypocrisy doesn’t bother you. You just spin it differently. Because he hasn’t “changed his mind.” He is playing both sides of those issues.
Not at all. I stand by what I wrote.
I am sure you do.
ZooeyModeratorOstriching?
Is Trump a hypocrite?
Yes or no.
Everyone can change their mind. What matters are ones subsequent actions.
So, no, Trump’s hypocrisy doesn’t bother you. You just spin it differently. Because he hasn’t “changed his mind.” He is playing both sides of those issues.
ZooeyModeratorbnw, each time by now that you use the rightie “aha hypocrisy” move, people here just simply read it as partisan gameplaying.
You can do it all you want, but I promise you, it will never be taken as anything more than that.
It’s just one of your go-to “be a partisan” moves.
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Partisan? No. The truth hurts so you ostrich about? Got it. Yet the hypocrisy remains. Protesting petroleum when you rely upon it to get to your protest is the height of hypocrisy. That I promise you.
Ostriching?
Is Trump a hypocrite?
Yes or no.
ZooeyModeratorStraw man my gluteus maximus. It is pure hypocrisy that should be exposed.
Clearly hypocrisy is very important to you.
Except when it involves Trump’s use of undocumented immigrants.
Or his denial of climate change while simultaneously trying to prepare for it at his golf course.
Or his attack on political contributions (except the ones he receives).
ZooeyModeratorI think an argument can be made the Rams are the team who is doing it right, and the Eagles are screwing it up.
Depends though. If Phil. is willing to take the hits on losses, then, they are giving their qb live action reps. The difference is, Phil can handle the losses because they’re rebuilding with a new head coach. Rams are in win-now mode. So it can be argued that each is doing the right thing given their different circumstances.
Though, Phil didn’t plan that. They didn’t plan on making this a rookie sacrifice season. They were initially going to play the veteran qb. Bridgewater changed that.
Yeah, sure, that would be the argument. But it leaves out the risk of Wentz getting mauled. I’m sure David Carr was confident. Where is he now? Honestly, how can the guy possibly be ready? So that’s part of the gamble Philadelphia is taking here.
There is no equivalent risk the Rams are taking. They are taking a conservative, long-term approach.
But the talking heads are taking that as evidence that Goff isn’t any good, that drafting him was a mistake, that the Rams gave up too much for him. That is just 24-hour news cycle BS, and all I’m saying is that I am surprised nobody has pointed that out. Considering how having a loud screaming match seems to be the staple food of television analysis, why hasn’t anyone come up with that argument to bring to table?
ZooeyModeratorIt doesn’t matter, Billy.
It isn’t a principled argument. As always, it’s an argument of convenience. It’s the same thing the right said about Al Gore. “Oh, global warming, huh? Then why do you have such a big utility bill for your house?”
It’s a straw man.
It’s a classic “change the subject” argument.
Instead of arguing about the issue – the environmental danger and cultural disregard of the pipeline (arguments the right will lose) – they change the subject to different ground where they feel they have the upper hand – in this case, the “purity” of the people making the argument.
This is standard arguing practice of the right, and it won’t make any difference how many times you point it out, and at what length. They change the subject as routinely as you change your socks.
They can’t say what they really think which is “Hey, this is how society makes progress, and I don’t get my drinking water from there, and I have no ancestors buried there, so it’s not my problem. Your loss is an acceptable price for me to pay. Fuck you.” That won’t go over well, so as usual, they just wrap the whole issue in a bunch of bullshit until most people are so confused, they change the channel to something easier to understand, like “The Apprentice.”
ZooeyModeratorVery nice.
We love him because he says what he means. A real straight-talker.
ZooeyModeratorThe Rams chose to select Jared Goff over Carson Wentz with the top pick in the draft.
Wentz will start for the Eagles, while Goff will be inactive for the opener.Not sure anyone would have predicted that scenario on draft day.
The Eagles brought in Chase Daniel as a high-priced backup for Sam Bradford. But when Bradford was traded to the Minnesota Vikings, Wentz was tabbed as the starter, despite playing in only one exhibition.
Development is part of the equation, but management execs think they can win with Wentz.
I am surprised that everybody just seems to assume (and Klein doesn’t assume this, btw, but I’m jumping off this response) that Goff being inactive and Wentz starting is evidence that the Rams made a bad decision of some kind.
Why isn’t anyone arguing that the Rams are the wise ones, and the Eagles are looking bad here? I mean…Wentz played part of ONE preseason game, and he’s the starter? I think an argument can be made the Rams are the team who is doing it right, and the Eagles are screwing it up.
ZooeyModeratorI can understand some 9er fans not respecting the Rams but what is it about their team that they like? Why do I see posts full of optimism and hope?
Do they not realize who and what they are and who and what they root for?
SF = Satan’s Friends. On a background of Hellfire Red.
ZooeyModeratorIt would be unfortunate if Gurley had a sophomore slump like Dickerson’s.
September 10, 2016 at 11:41 am in reply to: Hildabeast used an earpiece to get answers during live NBC TV Town Hall #52557ZooeyModeratorWow.
Next thing you know, she’s gonna use a teleprompter.
ZooeyModeratorI have a feeling wikileaks isn’t done, either.
But if they have something they want to detonate, it’s going to have to be crystal clear and devastating.
Because if it isn’t, there may not be time to process it. I mean…what’s up with the extra 15,000 emails they released a couple of weeks ago? I haven’t heard a peep since, and you know that by now every single one of them has been read multiple times by a pack of Hillary-Haters. And the FBI didn’t move like lightning on the first batch.
So I don’t know. I am waiting for another shoe to drop, but the odds on that get longer every day, imo.
As far as the Supreme Court goes, I want nine Thurgood Marshalls. And I’m not gonna get that wish.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, the arrow is up everywhere except the secondary, and I’m not sure about the LBs. I expect that if the Rams have a leak anywhere in the early going, it’s going to be back there. So far, Sensabaugh has been about as impressive as Finnegan in his second year. And while we know Gaines was good enough before his injury, he hasn’t shown it since coming back. And Agamemnon is probably the only person who knows who is starting at the 3rd LB and at FS. I don’t even know what’s happening there.
But everything else looks pretty good, and the injury bug has been quiet so far. So let’s go. No more 7-9 bullshit.
ZooeyModeratorRight. Exactly. I wondered about that every dynamic. I’m not only not surprised, I expected it.
And guess what?
The Rams are a team on the rise, a team with a shot at the playoffs, and naming Jared Goff the starter would have demoralized a bunch of players.
ZooeyModeratorI think the Rams win, and I don’t think it will be close, but I don’t think it will be a dominating blowout, either. I just think the Rams will win solidly. With some mistakes, with some stuff that would cost them against a better team. But the 9ers OL is shaky, and the Rams DL is very good. The Rams’ secondary is unproven, but Gabbert is below average, and so are the WRs. And we do know Johnson and McDonald are good, and Joyner isn’t bad. I could go on, but the point is that the Rams are superior. Not dominant. But superior to the 9ers.
ZooeyModeratorI remember Obama being touted as a messiah. ADHD progressives.
By democrats.
I don’t think you will find anybody on this board who even voted for him, let alone thought he was the messiah.
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