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ZooeyModeratorSo the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order. Should Lincoln have issued an executive order to free the slaves? People could respond No to that, I suppose, while still believing slavery should be terminated.
I hope people don’t argue that because the actual document that legally and permanently freed the slaves was the 13th amendment.
Lincoln himself had doubts about the legal standing of the Proclamation. On top of it the EP didn’t free slaves in border states which had not joined the Conferacy.
Well, I don’t think a poll asks for an argument. It asks for a position.
And in my experience, Trump supporters don’t “argue” anything.
ZooeyModerator“Does Jeff Fisher have pictures of you?”
You know. That kind of thing.
There are those rumors that Fisher has pictures of Kronke with Farrah Fawcett. This was when they had an affair back in the 70s. It is just a rumor.
I would expect that pictures of anybody with Farrah Fawcett would improve the man’s standing, not lead to problems.
ZooeyModeratorIf I had to, I would just take the Between Two Ferns approach.
“So did it feel good to shaft Khan like that?”
“Have you ever thought about owning one really good team instead of a dozen bad ones?”
“Where do you think you will rank in the Top Ten most hated Missourians of all time?”
“Does Jeff Fisher have pictures of you?”
You know. That kind of thing.
September 23, 2016 at 4:53 pm in reply to: one streak or the other ends this Sunday against Tampa #53638ZooeyModeratorDo we get to vote?
I’m for ending #1, fwiw.
ZooeyModeratorSame here Zooey……KFI Los Angeles…… growing up in the 70’s one of my brothers was / is a big Dodger fan, so as the sun set to the west (got that Jared Goff?) which provided the right ionosphere layer allowing an optimal AM radio signal for us 400 miles north in Santa Clara, CA we’d pick up the Dodger games on our old Zenith AM radio on 640 AM on the dial
just last Tuesday, I was thumbing through my Twitter feed shortly after my beloved Giants blew yet ANOTHER FUCKING SAVE opportunity, Vinnie Tweeted, “The Giants are driven to their knees again by the bullpen” ….. I thought to myself “FUCK YOU VIN SCULLY, you’re still great”…..
Yep, 640AM. I remember KFI used to have a “Groaner of the Day” contest. Send in a bad sports pun on someone’s name, and win this man-shaped balloon with cardboard feet that would pinch the balloon shut. I won two of them, one for some joke about Roman Gabriel that ended, “Romaine, lettuce go.” And the other was some stupid thing about Bernie Casey – “There’s your case, see?” KFI. That has nothing to do with anything, but I just thought of it.
It was a bummer when KFI quit being their flagship station cuz it’s like 50k watts, and they moved to KABC 790 which isn’t as strong. Eventually they quit that, and I had a stint of years listening to some Las Vegas station, and another in Bakersfield. This season is the first one in which I couldn’t get any games on the radio.
Thanks to the marvels of the internet, though, I have not only better reception, but a picture to go along with it whenever I am so moved.
You mention the “Giants driven to their knees….” I remember once a phrase when some pitcher got lit up, and the manager took him out, “and they are going to carry him out on his shield…that’ll do it for___________.”
A million great phrases, but it is his mastery of story-telling that truly set him above everyone else. He just knew how to do it. Interrupting the story to make the call, or picking the story up again after an inning change over, and what stories. He just had these great stories about Koufax, or DiMaggio, or Musial, or whoever.
Absolutely #1 of all-time.
(I hate Charlie Steiner, btw. As Hamlet said, “What a falling off is there!” I’d like to steal Jon Miller. He’s ten times the announcer Steiner is).
ZooeyModeratorAnd remember the stat that showed about 20 percent of Trump supporters thought Slavery was still a good idea or something like that. Forget that they are Trump supporters, just think about the fact that, that many citizens think that way. Thats a LOT of Americans thinking some hideously mean stuff. How did they get left so far…behind..in so many ways?
I’m just grateful when my brain fills up with this stuff, i can click a button and watch shark videos. Did you know 20 percent of sharks surveyed prefer eating Republicans…
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“Teach the ignorant as much as you can; society is culpable in not providing a free education for all and it must answer for the night which it produces. If the soul is left in darkness sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.”
— Victor Hugo (Les Misérables)I didn’t read that survey closely, but I believe I saw somewhere that the question about slavery was framed in the context of executive orders which the Tea Party types have been trained to respond to in dog whistle fashion. So the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order. Should Lincoln have issued an executive order to free the slaves? People could respond No to that, I suppose, while still believing slavery should be terminated. It may be more a measure of their depth of opposition to the idea of executive orders than of anything to do with race. I don’t know if they got asked about any of Bush’s executive orders, though. Nixon, Reagan, and Bush all issued more executive orders than Obama, and they, of course, never complain about those.
In any event, ignorance is fertile soil for our doom.
ZooeyModeratorZooeyModeratorI remember as a kid taking my dad’s transistor radio out to the backyard on summer evenings to listen to the Dodgers games. After sunset, I could pick up the LA station that broadcast the games.
Vin Scully’s melodic and poetic voice painted my childhood. He is truly the best I ever heard, by far, and I will miss him.
67 years calling Dodgers games. Do you know that that is half the history of the Giants? The Giants are 134 years old. Not quite half the history of the Dodgers, who have been around longer. But this is a guy who knew Jackie Robinson personally.
ZooeyModeratorTypical leftist. Only your opinion has merit. You’re partisan but too invested in acting superior to admit it. Fear mongering away as usual to justify in your mind your overt partisanship. What you dismiss as her “deficiencies” is in reality her being above the law. For decades at that. She called black youth “Super Predators” but through your partisan filter you ignore that while claiming Trump is a racist.
Now put your ear to the ground and you will hear your leftist white knight moderator riding to your defense.
Well, my opinion has more merit than yours because I support my opinion with actual evidence. That is how argument works. One debates a proposition by examining the evidence provided.
So I have provided over 3 dozen incidences of racism in Trump’s history.
You have provided the following:
1. A denial of the importance of racism as a charge
2. A diversionary attack on me
3. A diversionary attack on ClintonWhat you haven’t done is attempt to refute any of the more than 3 dozen specific charges listed above. Instead, you attempt to change the focus of the debate away from Trump’s actual recorded historical statements and actions. That is the hallmark of someone whose opinion has no basis in logic or reason. So, yeah. My opinion is better because I use logic, reason, and evidence, and you only use diversions.
Trump is a racist. You don’t care. That doesn’t bother you. Got it.
ZooeyModeratorZooeyModeratorYeah, you know, to people who make a habit of following fact trails, the dismissal of a boatload of evidence with a dismissive wave of the hand – “race card; one trick pony” – without actually dealing with the specific charges only earns a facepalm. It may work in your neck of the woods, but here, on this board, people who see you blithely dismiss specific charges backed up with news stories from a wide array of sources, well, they just see you as a partisan hack without any interest in truth.
I’m not playing to a crowd. I give my opinion. Try it. Its liberating. As for truth do you go after the Ildabeast’s lies? Of course not. Look in the mirror and you’ll see a partisan hack.
Not all opinions have equal merit. Some are based on evidence, and others are not. On this issue, I use as evidence the fact that Trump has been legally ruled against for racist rental practices, literally fined for racist policies, quoted as saying prejudiced things, testified against by people who know him personally, and endorsed by racist organizations and praised by them for saying racist things.
You support your opinion with the claim that a charge of racism is not worthy of serious consideration simply because such charges have frequently been made against many people throughout the years.
As for Hillary, I have written many posts criticizing her, and the only person on this board who actually supports her is Waterfield.
The rest of us have not blinded ourselves to her deficiencies. We have just grown accustomed to the realization that Trump is a racist, ignorant, reckless, self-aggrandizing conman with no grasp of policy, no knowledge of history, and no understanding of leadership whose election to the most powerful job on the planet is cause for deep concern. This isn’t the WWE. This is actually important.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, you know, to people who make a habit of following fact trails, the dismissal of a boatload of evidence with a dismissive wave of the hand – “race card; one trick pony” – without actually dealing with the specific charges only earns a facepalm. It may work in your neck of the woods, but here, on this board, people who see you blithely dismiss specific charges backed up with news stories from a wide array of sources, well, they just see you as a partisan hack without any interest in truth.
ZooeyModeratorThat there would be my first question to tea partiers. I’ve asked it many times btw, over the years. Never once got a good answer. Closest anyone ever came to answering it was “well, first we need to end big government, then we’ll deal with big corporations and banks’.
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ZooeyModeratorI feel for Mannion. I think he outplayed all other qb’s in the pre-season. And when the starting QB has a horrible game one, he gets demoted through no fault of his.
I think that old phrase “We don’t care where they were drafted” does not apply here
I have thought the same thing, but Mannion played against worse players remember. He has always intrigued me, but mostly because of his numbers in college. I have seen little of him in action. I assume the coaches do not seem his a superior to Keenum.
September 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm in reply to: The Los Angeles Rams fan experience doesn't seem to be too great #53522ZooeyModeratorCertain aspects of fan-culture are pretty universal, so some aspects of St.Louis fans and LA fans are the same. And then certain aspects of fan-culture are distinct to certain geographic areas and socio-economic spots.
I have no idea if there will be more fights in LA than in St.Louis. Maybe
there will be. And maybe the Coliseum crowds will be different from the new-stadium crowds. Dunno.It would be nice if the Rams Organization tried to be classy in every way, including safety issues, water, prices, handicap accessibility, etc, etc etc.
I dunno if that is likely thoughw
vPrices? Really? You already know the answer to that. No hem and haw needed. Unless by “classy” you mean stratospheric pricing?
Hey, water doesn’t grow on trees, ya know.
ZooeyModeratorWhoa, whoa there, cowboy. Let’s not start making bold predictions about the Rams putting up double digits on offense. We dare not fill ourselves with that sort of hope.
A 3-2 win will do the trick just as well.
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I lost my head.
But i was thinking the Defense would score on a pick-6.
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ZooeyModeratorWeird fact:
That’s Goodell second from the left, and Antonin Scalia on the Far Right.
What do you think happened there?
ZooeyModeratorI was going to add more, but I got blocked out.
Not sure what you mean there? Blocked from where?
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Well the site blocked ‘me’ after I looked at three cartoons.(i only copied and pasted one) Not this site. The site at the link.w
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Yeah. And I didn’t want to register.
ZooeyModeratorI was going to add more, but I got blocked out.
ZooeyModeratorI’m going with No.
Right now the Rams are fortunate to be 1-1. The defense won that game. The offense did everything they could to lose the game except turn over the ball. I don’t expect the Rams to suddenly start scoring multiple TDs on offense, and I think that is what it is usually going to take, especially on the road.
I think the Rams need at least 20 points to win in Tampa, and I don’t see how they are going to get that many.
ZooeyModeratorAnother London game? London Rams some day?
some day it’ll be the shanghai rams. kroenke will pimp them out to any city that will have them.
No, he won’t. Not as long as he has a mortgage to pay on a stadium in Los Angeles.
ZooeyModerator2) Coaching adjustments … Wichmann at ORG and Hill at CB. At some point you have to say “yeah, this isn’t working regardless of what we see in practice.” Im glad they did it.
It was a satisfying defensive effort and and punishment of a rival … and there was just enough offense to give me some hope. Curious to see how we show this coming week.
So Brown didn’t start? I thought he was playing pretty well at the time of his injury last season. And does this mean Sensabaugh didn’t start, and that’s why my hatred of him did not get any nourishment this week?
On the last point…if the Rams had lost 27 – 9, I doubt anyone would be saying that the offense’s performance gives “some hope.” It’s relative, innit?
ZooeyModeratorYeah, I thought we were looking at the Rams implode on that drive. And Westbrooks didn’t jump. He lined up in the neutral zone which is inexcusable.
ZooeyModeratorRight now I would guess that only Seahawks fans worry about playing the Rams much.
ZooeyModeratorI seem to recall that last year’s London game was before the first games, too. I am going to guess that it has to do with the return flights home. Everybody is supposed to show up for work Monday morning.
ZooeyModeratorI got Lamarcus.
Winston had 4 picks last week, and the article said INTs are kind of becoming a “thing” with him, so that’s where I am going.
ZooeyModeratorI also love low-scoring games. That reminded me of the Rams circa 1976.
I want to know who will score the first TD for the Rams this year: offense, defense, or special teams?
My son wants to know if the Rams can set a record for most wins in a season without scoring a TD. I haven’t been able to find out what that record is, but it can’t be many. Like one or two.
ZooeyModeratorBritt is legit.
He is not a #1, but he is a very good #2.
He is the best WR the Rams have by far, and I don’t know who is second.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, but 7-9 will feel so much better in southern Cal.
Because of the low humidity.
That’s what I was thinking, too. The low humidity.
ZooeyModeratorOnce again, the Rams have demonstrated that they are THE team to beat in the NFL.
That is sarcasm. Or a delusion of grandeur.
You can’t handle the truth!
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