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Zooey
ModeratorAh well. SF pulls it out. They dont look unbeatable anymore though, do they. w v
Which only makes the Rams’ loss to the Lions more frustrating. The NFC is ripe for the taking.
Yeah, the Rams should be in Tampa today, and then preparing to host the Packers in the title game. The blabbers would have liked to talk about the 6 seed hosting the 7 for the NFC championship.
Zooey
ModeratorIf the Ravens win, I recoup all the money I lost on everything else. Well…almost.
Don’t gamble, children. It’s bad.
Zooey
ModeratorOkay, I just watched that video on Normal Voices, and you know how youtube always prompts you to watch more videos after the one you are watching is over? Mine is usually populated with NFL videos and stuff about Fallacy and Socrates and so on.
Today…it’s all about stripper stories, and “how to” hire escorts and not get scammed by prostitutes and stuff. All sex industry videos.
I don’t use youtube much in the classroom, but I do occasionally. It’s embarrassing enough that NFL videos show up, but I can’t show a video and have this crap come on the screen.
Weird that youtube not only knows where I’ve been, but makes assumptions about why I was there. Also interesting it didn’t make a correlation between my obvious interest in football and the fact that Las Vegas is a gambling city. It just changed the subject to naughty sex stuff.
Zooey
ModeratorZooey
ModeratorIf you read nothing else on this page, be sure and read the big article I just posted (1/15 6 PM et) in this thread: tweets & reporters & the big articles
Sorry. I was in Las Vegas. Just got back. Did anything important happen while I was gone?
Zooey
ModeratorI’m heading over to the Mirage right now to collect my winnings on the Rams +3.
Well done.
Well, I lost on Williams scoring a TD, but I’m still up $40.
I’m not ever betting on the Rams again, though. It affects how I watch the game. I remember now that’s why I quit playing fantasy football a couple of decades ago. I just don’t need the extra concerns. I just want to watch the game.
Zooey
ModeratorMoving forward I am excited to see upgrades in the secondary. It would also be nice to see Hoecht and Jonah Williams replaced. Another threat at wide receiver might be needed if Kupp has some sort of long term injury. Fun season.
I can’t help but wonder how that game would have gone if the Rams had Ramsey.
Hoecht improved in pass rush over the year, and hustled after plays, but seemed a liability in coverage. That’s all “live” opinion, as in, I haven’t watched any film on him. Just fast and furious live action where I’m watching the whole thing, not focused on any particular player.
Zooey
ModeratorYeah, I don’t know if we will see him next year. That looked bad.
Zooey
ModeratorThe Lions “out-physicaled” the Rams. The
through tackles throughout the entire first half, busted up Stafford, Nacua, Williams, and Higbee. Just beat them up.
The Rams won the 2nd half, but fell short.
Zero turnovers.
Bummer. That was a winnable game, but that’s the end of it.
Puka Nacua. Good lord. I’d like to think, “Just wait until next year,” but I don’t see how he can improve on his game. Like… how?
Hopefully Kupp comes back full strength.
Zooey
ModeratorI’m heading over to the Mirage right now to collect my winnings on the Rams +3.
Zooey
ModeratorOnly to find out he’s a degenerate gambler.
Okay, degenerate maybe.
But not a gambler.
Kyren Williams is going to score a TD today.
And just to make you guys super jealous…here’s the view outside my hotel window.
Zooey
ModeratorStroud made some THROWS.
I’ve changed my mind on Stroud after coming across more information about him. He’s the ROY, in spite of Nacua’s epic season. My son told me last night, for instance, that Stroud led the league in TD/INT ratio AND in avg yards/game this season, and that’s only been done twice in NFL history by a QB: Montana in ’89, and Brady in ’07 (the 16-0 season).
That’s ridiculous.
Zooey
ModeratorWell, since I arrived in Las Vegas yesterday morning, I am going to have to put some money where my mouth is. My wife is encouraging me to. She grew up in a family that would take a run up to Reno once or twice a year to play in some damn tournament, or other, and she has fond memories of taking buckets of her grandma’s nickles and dimes up to the cashier. I hate giving money away for nothing, so my usual approach is to take twenty bucks, and see if I can get 20 minutes or so out of it, and then walk away.
But McVay’s first year… I KNEW the Rams were better than anybody thought. So I bet something on them and won, and my wife thinks I can just – you know – do that any time I feel like it.
So the odds on Kyren Williams scoring a TD this game is, like, +140. And since the Lions don’t have a great defense, and the Rams offense is rolling, and Williams is the straw, I think that’s the money-maker for me.
And I’m also going to take the 3 points, and probably give the money right back, but…maybe not. Maybe the Rams’ll win, and I will be rolling in dough by winning both bets.
Turnovers. I think that’s going to be more important than Maher. If the Rams are + in turnovers, they win. It’s not their forte this year, unfortunately. But Goff can do it. I know he can. He can throw nutty INTs, and he can drop the ball. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Zooey
ModeratorLooks like some of the staff weren’t helping with the culture. Maybe he got rid of some dicks.
was that the case though? i think at least in the example of gould i think more than anything it was the experience he brought. samples came in last year as a 28 year old i think. it sounded more like he was in over his head. maybe i’m wrong. maybe samples was more interested in moving up the ladder than being fully invested as a running backs coach. whereas gould – not that he isn’t necessarily trying to promote – but he brings years of experience as an assistant coach. he’s got like thirty years of experience on samples – at various positions. it was a rather abrupt change. i think samples left before the season even ended. i wonder what happened there.
You are probably right. I went back through the articles where I thought I read that between the lines, and I couldn’t find anything to support that claim. It was mostly Xs and Os, and not attitude. Attitude came through elsewhere, but not in the coaching decisions.
Zooey
ModeratorWho is this drunk guy?
Zooey
Moderator10. Curly Lambeau
9. Joe Gibbs
8. Tom Landry
7. Bill Walsh
6. Chuck Noll
5. Paul Brown
4. George Halas
3. Don Shula
2. Vince Lombardi
1. Tommy Prothro
Zooey
ModeratorIt’s not that the Rams don’t use play-action concepts anymore; there just has been a deemphasis on using them.
One of the knocks on Stafford when the Rams acquired him was that he didn’t like play action.
Maybe he knows what he is doing.
January 11, 2024 at 8:26 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148626Zooey
ModeratorI think we can ALL agree that Belichick and Brady are both assholes.
So let’s not lose sight of that when we evaluate their distant rankings below various Rams luminaries.
Zooey
ModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue Rams RB Kyren Williams had a good comment on position coach Ron Gould in his first year in the role in the NFL: “He cares a lot about his players … He gives as much to all of us as he does individually to us. He allows me to slow myself down and understand the game that is actually in front of me. … When he got here, he sat me down and (taught) me the game of football. His motto is, ‘understanding leads to control.’ If you understand what you’re doing, you can control the situation depending on you.”
This ties in with the description of McVay’s revamping of the coaching staff. He deliberately hired guys with a positive attitude and an ability to teach. Looks like some of the staff weren’t helping with the culture. Maybe he got rid of some dicks.
Looks like everyone is having fun now.
Zooey
ModeratorOne thing you have to respect about Goff is the way he handled the 3-13 year. 2021. Rams win Super Bowl with Stafford. What a kick in the gut. And he just keeps working. w v
Nobody: The sun never sets on the British Empire.
Goff: Wait. I thought someone said it sets in the west.
Yeah, he’s a good chap, old Goff. I hope he strongly rebounds from the most futile performance of his career this Sunday night.
Zooey
ModeratorI wonder what the odds in Vegas are that this will be a forgettable game.
Seasons and games come and go, and some of them leave an indelible, Instant Recall impression, and the others mush together like a couple of donuts left on a summertime dashboard.
I think I will have instant recall of this season and of this playoff game 10 years from now.
Zooey
ModeratorThat place will be rockin’ and the crowd will be insane. Detroit hasn’t been this excited since Sparky Anderson and Kirk Gibson wore Tiger pinstripes, or when Bill Lambeer made Draymond Green look like a mild mannered basketball player. Lion’s haven’t won in the playoffs since Plymouths and Pontiacs were rolling off the assembly lines. It’s been a long time. That city and team is starving.
Yep.
The Rams can’t afford any mistakes in the 1st quarter.
Zooey
ModeratorAnd how did Alliser Thorne’s coaching career end?
Zooey
ModeratorI’d put George Allen in the top three, at least in my lifetime. He helped turn a basement-dweller program into a league powerhouse. They had just one winning season in the ten years prior to his tenure, and were 4-10 before he took over. But Allen’s methods probably couldn’t work in one locale for long. He tended to tick off the FO. Kinda like Martz. Which makes me wonder how good that pairing might have been — if we could time-travel a bit: Allen as HC/Martz as his OC. Another thing to consider: McVay’s route to HC basically skipped over the usual process of spending years and years moving up the coaching ladder. Unlike any previous Rams coach, he didn’t log umpteen years as assistant/position/unit coordinator, etc. So he’s done a hell of a lot of OJT. The vast majority of coaches his age are still climbing that ladder, etc. But McVay likely won’t be coaching beyond, say, 40. Allen was 48 or so before he got the Rams’ job.
I thought about Allen, and what you say is true. I didn’t include him, so thanks for bringing him up.
Allen has the highest winning percentage of any Rams head coach (who coached more than one season) by far. It’s like .742. McVay is second at ~.650, or thereabouts.
I just thought…Allen was also kind of a short tenure, and also never made the Show. But he was an effective coach, for sure.
ZN makes a good point that Vermeil started with nothing, and built a champion in 2 years. McVay started with a fairly strong hand. Even Fisher might have won some games with it if he hadn’t been sacked when he was. There were 8 Pro Bowlers and 7 All Pros on that team.
Good draft that year, too, btw: Gerald Everett, Cooper Kupp, John Johnson, Josh Reynolds, Samson Ebukam. And Johnny Mundt as an undrafted FA. All 6 of those guys are still in the league in the 7th season of their career. That’s purty good.
Zooey
Moderator“… How can you surround yourself with people that’ll tell you, ‘Hey, you’re messed up here, man.’ That’s a big thing, too. In a lot of instances, I still want to be coached. I still need to be coached. And so (I) want to always be open-minded, continuously learning. …”
You dont hear that a lot.
No, you don’t. And I think that’s kind of strange. That is the way I ran my theatre. I did it that way because it seemed practical. Like… when you see leaders or bosses who don’t acknowledge their mistakes and weaknesses, but try to hold their team accountable for mistakes and weaknesses… the only people they are fooling are themselves. The fact that you swagger around being the boss doesn’t conceal your errors from your team. May as well own up to it, and create a climate where people can own up to their own mistakes, and grow from it. That’s the difference between a leader and a boss. And it just seems so obvious to me that I don’t know why people let their egos make the wrong leadership decision in this regard. It’s self-defeating, ultimately.
Viva Leadership. Down with Bosses!
Zooey
ModeratorSeattleRams@seattlerams_nflQ: What do these three players have in common?Isiah LikelyLuke MusgraveDallas GoedertA: All three are TE’s who had 50+ yards receiving against the Rams defense in 2023. Each time a TE has gone for 50+, the Rams have lost.Sam LaPorta’s injury status is massive this week.Okay, but this fails to take into account that the Rams defense has been saving up all of its turnover allotment for the playoffs. The Lions’ TE can get 50 + yards, but with 2 INTs and 2 fumble recoveries game-planned into this thing, the Rams will be fine.
Zooey
ModeratorThis is another reason why I think it’s important for the Rams to get up on the Lions early. They need to score first, and score second, and fill that stadium with horror from the seats right down into Goff’s head. The Rams winning this game would be a NIGHTMARE for Detroit.
Bad post.
The reason I’m referring to is perhaps clear only if you watch the video. The reason is that the stadium is going to Kingdome/Superdome level of loud.
Detroit is absolutely starving to death to see the Lions win a playoff game, and they are believers in this team. If the Lions get out on top early, the Rams will have to go silent count the rest of the game. They haven’t had to do that all year.
I think it’s very important that the Rams shut that crowd up early, and make them sit there in fear, rather than get excited.
Zooey
ModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueSean McVay walks into a packed-to-the-brim press room. “Oh, shit, the game must be important.”Is it safe to say now that McVay is the greatest coach in Rams’ history?
I think it is. Robinson, Vermeil, Knox…those are the only other guys to get in that discussion. While creating great runs for the Rams, neither Knox nor Robinson got to the Super Bowl, so I think they’re out, in spite of sustained success in the regular season.
Vermeil pulled a miracle, but then left.
McVay has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning once, and then did whatever the hell this year was/is.
I think it’s McVay.
Zooey
ModeratorIf I recall there was an earlier thread that was more optimistic. Then we found out Kupp wouldn’t be playing for a while. Since we didn’t know about Nacua and Wms yet, at that point (very early) losing Kupp took some air out of people’s optimism.
Kupp was flying around the country, getting more medical opinions right before the season started. That’s weird. Guys don’t do that for conventional injuries.
And, frankly, Kupp hasn’t been the same this year. I wonder if he has some kind of problem that they aren’t disclosing.
Zooey
ModeratorIf Morris gets hired away from the Rams, how about Staley returning as HC? I think it’s unlikely he will get hired as a HC anywhere else for next year, and returning to the Rams as DC means he doesn’t have to move his family, and he knows McVay, and it’s a good gig.
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