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  • in reply to: So what can the protestors accomplish? #115812
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    Yeah, I have watched a lot of Funky-Academic’s vids over the last month, but I dont really buy what he’s selling on this topic. I can only speculate wildly, but immho, he is doing all kinds of mental-contortion to avoid the conclusion that many many blacks were dummed-down and consequently voted against their own interest. Just like with Whites.

    I just dont buy the notion that blacks voted for Biden because they knew Biden was not going to do shit. And they liked that.

    They voted for Biden (imho) because Biden is connected to Obama. And they voted for Obama because he is black, and because they were dummed down enough to think that Mr Black-Corporate-Goldman-Sachs was on their side.

    In an idiocracy its not only Whites who have been idiot-ized. Blacks are not immune to Corporate Propaganda. And the funky academic just cant come out and say it.

    I think guys like Adolph Reed Jr. might very well come out and say it if he were asked.

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    Yeah, sure. I think there was not only the Obama connection, but also Clyburn endorsed Biden, and that was it for South Carolina. Then came the Media Onslaught, and all the dropping out and endorsing Biden, and Warren stayed in it, and the media complied with the DNC narrative about Biden, and SC was a domino that fell across the South and even other places.

    And that is how the planet ended, son. Goodnight, now.

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    in reply to: So what can the protestors accomplish? #115784
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    Oh…look at me GO!!!!!

    in reply to: So what can the protestors accomplish? #115783
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    Ball and Saagar interviewed a black man after South Carolina, or Super Tuesday, some guy from the South. I don’t remember if he was a professor, or what his credentials were, but he said blacks in the South voted for Biden because they simply weren’t going to trust a white man’s promises (Sanders) since they are beyond allowing themselves to hope that one day a white man will actually keep his promise to do something. They know Biden isn’t going to change anything, but at least he isn’t promising to change anything, so they know what they will get with him.

    He actually made a pretty interesting case for that.

    I just searched for the video, but couldn’t find it. It would probably help if I remembered his name.

    in reply to: One reason leftists don’t think much of liberals #115770
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    My point was to address your claim that cops should NEVER shoot to kill. I simply asked to put yourself in a similar position. Personally, I think that in the flash of a moment -i.e. being attacked-the idea of shooting to incapacitate is laudable but likely not very practical or even safe.

    And I agree with that there could well be situations in which officers are justified in just trying to hit an assailant, or threat, in a high percentage shot. Splitting hairs, maybe, but that isn’t necessarily intent to kill. It’s intent to stop the assailant, and there isn’t time to micro-target the exact area. I get it.

    But nobody is protesting that, not even me. I think they should NEVER intend to kill, but I understand that they sometimes have to take shots where death is a good possibility.

    Still. The problem is cops take shots…and then delay calling for medical assistance. Or shoot people in the back running away. Or kneel on their necks. Or beat them to death in the back of paddy wagons. THAT is what people want to stop.

    in reply to: One reason leftists don’t think much of liberals #115765
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    Now let me ask you this. You are home with your family and subject to a break in. You and your family are threatened with not just physical harm but possible death. You have a gun. (don’t dodge the Q by saying the hypo doesn’t apply because you don’t have a gun) Do you believe you have the right to be “judge, jury, and executioner” and do whatever is necessary to kill the intruder?. Now the odds are that likely will never happen to you. And you do not likely have a gun. But police see that every day.

    If I had a gun, I would train with it a lot until I was very good with it.

    And if I felt my family was lethally threatened, I would shoot the person. But I would shoot to incapacitate, not kill, if I could keep my cool, and I could get off a shot I liked rather than a desperation shot. If I killed the guy, at least I tried.

    None of which has anything to do with any of this because nobody is protesting THOSE KINDS OF POLICE KILLINGS. C’mon, Waterfield.

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    in reply to: Sports and the Protests #115763
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    in reply to: One reason leftists don’t think much of liberals #115708
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    Given my job I’ve had in the past to sue individual officers and police departments for unreasonable and unauthorized conduct that result in injuries to another. In that light I have reviewed police manuals from both the LAPD and the LA County Sheriffs. There is nothing about shooting an “unarmed” man or woman in the heart. Addressing an attacker the following is a brief sum of what actually is in a manual: if an officers reasonably believes his life is in danger he was the right and obligation to do what is necessary to protect himself or herself. What Biden is suggesting is that in that situation officers can and should be trained to shoot to disable an attacker rather than kill them. Many police departments do precisely that. Of course not always does an officer in the heat of an attack ask “hey are you armed”.

    Common guys. I know when police conduct is outside the boundaries. But how about some fairness on this subject. Otherwise it simply smells like agenda driven politics.

    My point was not about cops. My point was about Biden.

    He had a WEEK to come up with a statement on this, and he came up with “shoot them in the legs?” That’s the compromise? That’s just…embarrassing.

    I take it for granted that the police should NEVER shoot to kill. Never. Any fatalities at the hands of the police should be accidental. They are not judge, jury, and executioners.

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    I came across this post last night, and have to share it. I vaguely know this person. Her family went to the same church I went to as a kid, and she posted this on my idiot right-wing brother’s FB post of Trump’s tweet declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. There is just so much…well…read it for yourself. It’s breath-taking. The vast amount of gullibility required to swallow one word of this…and the inherent racism…it’s truly impressive.

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    Well, the only thing they left out is the money “comes from the Clintons.”

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    LOL. Guess what? One of my brother’s other friends said she saw “George Soros’ fingerprints all over this.”

    in reply to: Police & protestors — conflicting images #115670
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    I have to say that I also saw two examples of cops kneeling, and a half hour later teargassing people. Side-by-side photos that looked pretty convincing. It’s not definitive, of course, but…yeah….

    Some of the kneeling may be insincere. Some may be sincere, but later a man has to do what a man has to do. Some kneeling may be sincere, and followed up with judicious restraint. All of those are possible, even likely.

    We have to bash on, regardless, and take hope where we can while recognizing there is no easy way forward, and there will never be total victory as long as humans roam the earth.

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    Old man with a cane.

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    I came across this post last night, and have to share it. I vaguely know this person. Her family went to the same church I went to as a kid, and she posted this on my idiot right-wing brother’s FB post of Trump’s tweet declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. There is just so much…well…read it for yourself. It’s breath-taking. The vast amount of gullibility required to swallow one word of this…and the inherent racism…it’s truly impressive.

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    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115591
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    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115590
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    in reply to: Leftists radicals or white supremasists #115542
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    in reply to: Leftists radicals or white supremasists #115540
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    Biden is sure doing an inspirational job right now.

    in reply to: Floyd: contradictory autopsies #115483
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    in reply to: Leftists radicals or white supremasists #115495
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    I’m not interested in getting a statistical breakdown of who did what, for what reason.

    There could be leftists, white nationalists, and selfish chaos-lovers in any kind of blend, and the bottom line is this:

    Our police departments need reform, and the police must be held accountable for their actions.

    The rest of it is ideological tug-of-war.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115447
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    This is the first cheerful news I have read in a while.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bv8zaw/minneapolis-bus-drivers-refuse-to-transport-george-floyd-protesters-to-jail?fbclid=IwAR0Sv_svxHnpElQ-wglkcD0p4pqNT-DETVaUWABjfo-uZYeg5dCSFW_T4ro

    Minneapolis Bus Drivers Refuse to Transport George Floyd Protesters to Jail
    Organized labor throughout the city is banding together in solidarity against police violence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death.

    By Lauren Kaori Gurley
    May 29 2020, 8:57am

    The murder of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police has sparked several days of protests, including the burning of a police precinct on Thursday night.

    In solidarity with protestors, union bus drivers in Minneapolis signed a petition and refused to transport police officers and arrested protestors to jail on Thursday, PayDay Report first reported and independently confirmed by Motherboard. At one bus garage in downtown Minneapolis on Thursday evening, some workers refused to drive buses that were being dispatched to transport police officers.

    “We are willing to do what we can to ensure our labor is not used to help the Minneapolis Police Department shut down calls for justice,” the petition reads. “For example, I am a bus driver with ATU 1005, and I urged people to call MetroTransit and the Governor the second I heard our buses and members were being organized to make mass arrests hours before the protests escalated.”

    On Thursday, the city of Minneapolis shut down its light rail and bus services out of concern for employee and rider safety.

    More than 400 union workers, including Minneapolis postal workers, nurses, teachers, and hotel workers have signed the petition posted on the Facebook group Union Members for #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd pledging not to aid the policing of the protests with their labor, according to Adam Birch, a Minneapolis bus driver who wrote the petition.

    “I was on my route on Wednesday evening and there was a message that came over transit control asking for a bus to transport police officers,” Birch told Motherboard. “I interpreted this as Minneapolis police department preparing for mass arrests so when I had a moment on a layover, I created a post on Facebook saying that I’m a metro transit bus driver, and I don’t feel comfortable assisting the Minneapolis police department to make arrests. It got a lot of reaction, which was surprising so I created a petition.”

    Since the release of a video earlier this week showing an officer Derek Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck until he died, unions and workers in Minneapolis, a city with a strong organized labor movement, have condemned the killing. Among them, Minneapolis’s teacher union and the Awood Center, which organizes Amazon warehouse workers in the area, have also issued statements condemning the killing as an act of racism.

    “If we feel if something is unjust, then workers should have the right not to support the situation or provide their services,” Ryan Timlin, president of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005, which represents the bus drivers and 2,500 public transportation workers in the Twin Cities, told Motherboard. “This was not a strike.”

    Many members of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005, which represents 2,500 public transportation workers in the Twin Cities, live in south Minneapolis, where Floyd lived and was killed and where recent protests have taken place.

    “ATU members live with similar fears on a daily basis. ATU members face racism daily. Our members live in and work in neighborhoods where actions like this happen, and where this took place, now watched in horror across the globe,” a press statement from the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005, said.

    “In ATU, we have a saying: ‘NOT ONE MORE’ when dealing with driver assaults in some cases have led to members being murdered while doing their job,” the union said. “We say ‘NOT ONE MORE’ execution of a black life by the hands of the police. NOT ONE MORE! JUSTICE FOR GEORGE FLOYD.”

    The Minneapolis police department, which has a history of misconduct allegations and racist violence, is represented itself by a powerful union. The Minneapolis Police Union has continued to offer “warrior-style training” to any officers that want it, despite the city’s mayor putting a ban on the style of training last year, which was linked to the shooting of Philando Castile in 2016.

    When the police shot and killed 32-year-old Castile in Minnesota, the local teacher’s union took action to protest the death of Castile, who was a nutrition services supervisor, and 14-year member of the Teamsters Local 320, which also represents law enforcement officials in the Twin Cities.

    Birch says the Facebook group Union Members for #JusticeForGeorgeFloyd is organizing a coalition of union members to attend a protest in Minneapolis on Saturday.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115428
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    I tried adding to that thread twice and my posts simply vaporized.

    I got em back, right?

    Yeah, both items are there: the video and the tweet. Now if you would restore the Rams’ dominance, that would be cool.

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    And I had seen that story about the umbrella guy and his violence. It’s still not quite definitive enough as a story for me yet, but I am far from automatically doubting it.

    Yeah, at this point, the only thing I can really say about it is that it wouldn’t surprise me. But it is not definitive. Not that it matters to me, really. Either way, it will just be used by one side to change the subject.

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    Not sure what just happened. Do links to FB just go up in flames?

    Found it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJR_FJcg1c

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115410
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    Oh, and a CNN reporter got arrested and Floyd’s killer(s) haven’t been.

    Yeah I got stuff on that, in here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/police-v-demonstrators-protesting-killing-of-george-floyd/

    I tried adding to that thread twice and my posts simply vaporized.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115408
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    Oh, and a CNN reporter got arrested and Floyd’s killer(s) haven’t been.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115400
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    I am just so fucking angry right now.

    That’s my meme. Or maybe Tweet. Maybe this should go in the Tweet thread.

    Fuck.

    Floyd?

    Yeah, Floyd. Floyd. Yeah. And Aubery, and Cooper.

    And the fact we are in the beginning of a terrible economic crisis, the 3rd one since 20ish years, and each time the government has used the occasion to transfer wealth to the richest people. We have a global pandemic and the president is blocking the CDC from issuing guidelines to navigate the worst disease outbreak in a century while encouraging people to protest minor inconveniences that limit the scope and duration of the damage. And the president is engaging in vengeance against social media companies for finally calling bullshit on his egregious lies. And Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi have no serious interest in fixing any of this.

    And hurricane season, and wildfire season are about to start.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #115389
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    I am just so fucking angry right now.

    That’s my meme. Or maybe Tweet. Maybe this should go in the Tweet thread.

    Fuck.

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