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ZooeyModeratorThis other one came up with it, and it’s well worth it, too.
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ZooeyModeratorOMG.
You will not leave my mind until I hear you are okay.
ZooeyModeratorAt the risk of offending the old timers on here, I have to admit that I really like the new helmet.
It’s a banana, and you are a poopy pants.
ZooeyModeratorWho’s kicking? The Rams lost whatshisface, right? The guy who was going to nail them from 70 yards all the time, but never did.
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ZooeyModeratorNo violence or destruction since the Feds left Portland.
And…I think this entire argument is going to be eclipsed by what happens next anyway.
Between now and November, each week is going to be an Eternity. And the next thing to come – that is going to wipe out concerns about Portland – is evictions. Business failures. Covid outbreaks in the schools that think science doesn’t matter.
The next 6 months will be worse, and will dwarf what’s happened so far.
ZooeyModeratorBefore this is over Trump will have convinced the “deplorables” and those on the lower end of the brain stem that only his law and order will prevent those leftist thugs from breaking into your home, stealing your guns, raping your wife, and killing all your kids.
Why even give him that path.
Well…you give him that path because taking a stand against the police acting as unlawful executioners of black people is the RIGHT THING TO DO.
And even if the protesters all went home to deny Trump that angle, he would make up some other shit to stoke his base. It doesn’t matter. I mean…Caravan. Muslims. Socialists. Emails.
It doesn’t matter. They will make some shit up, and fire up the base.
So stick to doing what is right. Take a stand. Push back. I agree with zn anyway; I think he lost this round. He will be back, but he lost the battle in Portland to moms and vets and kids.
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ZooeyModeratorMy sympathies, Waterfield. I think that’s the worst personal Covid story I’ve heard. FWIW, I wouldn’t go, either. I would probably write a heartfelt letter, though, that focuses on your friend (and not the issue of Covid). You shouldn’t miss out on the “closure,” either.
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ZooeyModeratorPosted by a resident of Portland, OR
While I’ve been sort of following the ongoing events in Portland, I was floored by the information I recently received from my father-in-law, Alden Roberts. It is incredibly important that people know what is happening in Portland, because it is very scary and has very real implications for our entire country.
By way of context, Alden is a general surgeon, retired as the Chief Medical Officer of a hospital in Vancouver, Washington, and just finished his term as the Chairman of the Washington Medical Commission (the state agency that licenses and oversees all doctors in the state). I share this information to emphasize that he is a community leader, a very smart, educated, and informed person, and is not one to exaggerate or spread misinformation.
Here’s what he has observed in Portland over the past few days:“1. The protests are confined to a 2 block radius around the courthouse, and if you’re 4 blocks away, you can’t tell anything has been happening. There is nothing going on outside of that region, and Portland is functioning as normally as the Pandemic will allow. It is not burning, nor is it out of control.
2. The protesters are absolutely peaceful at the Protests that I have been part of, and with the exception of graffiti, are completely within their constitutional rights to protest. The protests involve singing, chanting, and have used “white walls” to block whites who are trying to disrupt or corrupt the protests. Yes, cursing is rather commonplace. More than ½ of the protesters are white. All are protesting for Black Lives Matter, although the entrance of the federal paramilitary force has brought out a lot of people, including myself, who are incensed at the use of unregulated federal force against law abiding citizen and against the will of the state and local governments.
3. ALL of the protesters are wearing masks to minimize transmission of CoV-2. However, as at times there are 1000 or more of us, it is hard (though not impossible) to maintain social distancing. When the federal paramilitary force is deployed, it becomes impossible.
4. The Police responded unprovoked and were brutal, but nothing like the paramilitary force. There is a court order that forbids the police to use teargas. I was not there when it was just the police.
5. At the protests I have attended, I did not witness any unlawfulness on the part of the protesters. Each time, the federal paramilitary personnel launched an apparently unprovoked attack. There have been no “riots.” The federal paramilitary force has had no training in crowd control, has no oversight, was not invited to Portland by local leadership, does not have any form of identification do not wear name badges, and wears military camo. They are heavily armed with flash-bang grenades, less-lethal bullets, pepper bullets, pepper spray and tear gas. They will pull goggles off of protesters and spray pepper spray into their eyes. They used a baton to beat a US Navy vet, broke his hand and sprayed pepper spray in his eyes because he asked why they weren’t honoring their vow to protect the constitution. During the assault, he stood still and did not resist until blinded by the pepper spray, he turned around and walked away. The “line of mothers” on Sunday was gassed and shot with less-lethal bullets for chanting Black Lives Matter. At least one was pregnant. A protester holding a sign up with both hands was shot in the head with a “non-lethal” bullet and will likely have permanent brain damage. While I have not personally seen this, there are videos of people being kidnapped into unmarked vans by the federal paramilitaries as they left the protests, held for a couple of days, interrogated, then released without charges or explanation. At this time, re-read my first two points. The protests are no threat to Portland and only encompass a 2 block area. They have been peaceful, with graffiti as the only illegal activity. They are well controlled and supported by a cross section of Portlanders. There is no reason for the federal government to be involved, and the excessive force being used appears to be nothing more than a political show of force against US Citizens by the Trump administration.
6. About 3000 protesters showed up last night (July 21); all with masks, very well behaved. Certainly no chaos, no violence on the part of the protesters. I left at 10:30, the paramilitary attacked at 12:30. I spent an hour talking to the medics. They say they are being targeted by the paramilitary personnel. They are often the first to be shot at and tear gassed. When they try to help an injured protester, the paramilitary personnel throw flash-bangs and tear gas at them (they carry gas masks). One of them was beaten, dragged away from the injured person they were treating and arrested. They are from OHSU as well as Portland Fire.
7. The Elk statue was taken down by the Police to “protect” it, but the Elk statue was a favorite of the protesters because it was uncontroversial; so they got a blow-up elk and put it where the real statue used to stand. It’s sort of a rallying point.”
This should concern, if not terrify, all of us. This is an unidentified and unaccountable federal police presence attacking American citizens who are not violating any federal laws. This is literally how the “secret police” in other authoritarian regimes began. The comparison to the early stages of Nazi Germany is NOT AN EXAGGERATION anymore.
ZooeyModeratorIn Portland, the Hockey Stick Brigade is now in force, smacking tear gas canisters back in the direction they came from: the illegal occupying army.
Photo by Nathan Howard

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ZooeyModeratorI liked Platoon a lot. Didn’t see many of the others.
Wonder if he will do a Trump movie.
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Print this out, soak it in vinegar, and bake it in the oven for an hour.

ZooeyModeratorOkay. Well. Thank you. I guess.
Now do New Zealand.
ZooeyModeratorI have added Vietnam to my list of countries to look at seriously. I skimmed over some article praising VN the other day. They’re not letting Americans in right now, though.
ZooeyModeratorBiden is not Hillary. Thats his best political-attribute.
Older voters like him. (His dementia is endearing, not a flaw to them. Kinda like Bush/Reagan’s stupidity was endearing to many Reps.)
But yeah, the question is will young people, minorities, progressives turn out, and vote for Biden.
And Covid is the X factor.
And Rep-Vote-Supression tactics are the Y factor.
And will Trump start a war with Iran. Or Portland.
And will Trump’s “Law And Order” card play well with the middle-class. It has played well all through history, in many countries. The bourgeoisie loves stability and order.
I dunno.
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vThis is amazing. I mean…Biden could very well win this election without ever really showing up. Why isn’t he LEADING the Democrat coronavirus response? There should be a covid plan with his name on it. I can’t stand the Democrat party. They are just so useless. Just like Biden is supposed to get our vote because “He’s not Trump,” the Democrats are supposed to get all our votes because “We’re not Republicans.”
What are they fucking DOING? There is a pandemic going on without any leadership, and riot police are storm-trooping their way around largely peaceful protests creating most of the violence, and the economy is about to crash and where are the Democrats? Where the hell ARE THEY?
The time is ripe for action. This is what I’m saying. And…like that tweet zn posted the other day…the Democrats plan is to put identification on the federal officers and their vans. That’s their counter proposal. Their big principled stand. Fuck me, man.
And they have completely thrown the country overboard on fighting the virus, and on protecting the American people from the coming economic collapse. Jesus, the GOP is coming for Social Security as we speak. Where the FUCK is Joe Biden? Where are the Democrats?
Anyway. I was going to respond to the content of your post, and I got sidetracked. I agree with everything you said. I think on the Law & Order thing, that’s really all Trump’s got to run on. His handling of the coronavirus has been devastating to him, so he has to run on the Tough Guy crap, but so far, that doesn’t appear to be working. The crowds in Portland have grown larger in response to this, and that strongly suggests support for the protest, and opposition to Trump. You are right that Law & Order has appeal in this country, but that has so far been a two-edged sword for Trump. Not everybody sees him as the right guy to establish L & O, and he is seen, in fact, as partly responsible for the disruption. He’s failing to deliver the Law & Order he stands for.
I think election comes down to voter suppression, and I think there will be significant legal battles. I mean…both sides have drawn up battle plans already. The Democrats are revving up for that, and Trump is going to throw gas on the fire. You know he is. So we’re going to have an exciting few months here, what with the economy about to collapse, corona partying up the place, stormtroopers doing a national tour with each stop bigger and better than the previous one, and the nastiest election fight we will have ever seen.
Good times.
Still waiting for my passport. Not that any country will let me in. Turkey will. I have a friend in Istanbul, but Turkey isn’t much better, is it?
ZooeyModeratorI saw that article yesterday, and I don’t think much of Romney’s argument. It’s really so flimsy, I wonder what he is up to in publishing it.
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ZooeyModeratorI agree with all that, Billy.
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