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znModeratorWeek 13 brings a trip to the desert. 10 years ago the Rams played in Arizona in the same week on the schedule and @sj39 led the Rams to victory with his 100 yard rushing performance pic.twitter.com/ibNQDYcnPm
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) December 3, 2020
znModeratorSean McVay wasn't thrilled with how Rams' O-line played vs. 49ers https://t.co/kVFTz0SmDS
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 3, 2020
znModeratorLowest completion % allowed by CBs:
1. Xavier Rhodes – 43.8
2. Casey Hayward Jr. – 45.6
3. Darious Williams – 48.1
4. Xavien Howard – 48.5 pic.twitter.com/s7PoIEghx3— PFF (@PFF) December 3, 2020
znModeratorBest defenses per PFF WAR:
šø Steelers
šø Rams
šø Broncos
šø Saints pic.twitter.com/0YD63RBQhR— PFF (@PFF) December 3, 2020
znModeratorIn updated balloting released this morning, Rams DT Aaron Donald (132,687) and P Johnny Hekker (74,386) remain the leading #ProBowl vote-getters at their respective positions in the NFC.
To continue voting for them and other Rams players, visit https://t.co/HWSuc1kU98
— Stu Jackson (@StuJRams) December 3, 2020
znModerator5 key matchups to watch in Rams-Cardinals this weekend.
You can probably guess what No. 1 is š„ https://t.co/F4sHnAod71
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 3, 2020
znModeratorHoly Shit. Florida GOPer caught on tape telling fellow FL GOPers to make false voter registrations in Georgia so they could vote to save Loeffler and Perdue. He in fact DID register in Georgia and is now under investigation. https://t.co/SUEtGKGR7M
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 3, 2020
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Rams have the No. 2 defense. Cardinals have the No. 2 offense.Jalen Ramsey. DeAndre Hopkins.
Sean McVay. Kliff Kingsbury.
Brandon Thorn@BrandonThornNFL
Dante Fowler & Leonard Floyd have had career years over the last two seasons + Clay Matthews had a resurgence last year, all on the Rams. Fowler has fell off this year after leaving the Rams while Floyd has emerged since joining the team.
znModeratorGregg Rosenthal@greggrosenthal
impromptu CB power rankings:1. Ramsey
2. Xavien Howard
3. J. Alexander
4. Bradberry
5. Ward
6. HumphreyLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
āItās like a road runner,ā – Rams S John Johnson on Cardinals QB Kyler MurrayJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Johnson says that backup QB Wolford also kind of runs like Kyler Murray (a bit slower)and so they feel like heās a perfect scout team QB to practice for this matchup. He says to defend the quick pitter-patter of Murrayās steps, as a defender you kind of have to imitate those steps instead of taking your natural long strides to contain.
Gary Klein@LATimesklein
Sean McVay joked that it would be about 15 years before Rams had new facility. āIāll be age 50 by then.ā
znModeratorWV and Zooey.
A heads up on quoting posts that have color codes in them.
I have to clean those posts up.
If there’s color in a post–like me red-bolding a poster’s name or ag posting in blue print–never hit “quote.”
Blue out the portion you want to quote and THEN hit quote.
It;s the difference between getting this, which I have to clean up:
<strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”><span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: #FF0000″>Rampage2K</span>
Or this, which is clean.
Rampage2K
We’ll call it “ag quoting.”
In honor of ag of the blue font.
znModeratorRampage2K
Kurt Warner was on NFL Network today and was asked about Goff and his struggles…..he said Goff is a very solid starter in the NFL who has already proven he can be very good, but people got to stop trying to compare him to other QB’s who could carry a team to a Super Bowl….he said there is only a handful of them that could do that throughout the history of the NFL
znModeratorāItās important we never forget who the deniers wereā ā as it took the folks at Fox & Friends 10 months and 270,000 dead Americans to realize that masks work in combating Coronavirus.
Brian Williams for the win…pic.twitter.com/V1kDaTlP5Z
— Rex Chapmanšš¼ (@RexChapman) December 2, 2020
znModeratorāi donāt know how i got covid! i only eat at small restaurants and i didnāt go see family for thanksgiving, i just went to see an old college friendā – dude on zoom this morning as he coughed the nastiest, deepest cough (guess what state heās from thatās right florida)
— mike taddow (@taddmike) December 2, 2020
znModeratorAndrew Whitworth shares rehab update, is already walking again https://t.co/5093O6zkqL
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 2, 2020
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znModeratorAll-22: @Andy_Benoit breaks down the Rams defensive front. pic.twitter.com/hvynpqMZlD
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) December 2, 2020
znModeratorGot into a bad car accident today and this man in the video tried to flag the police down to help us instead they hopped out and tased bro no capš¤·āāļøš¤¦āāļø pic.twitter.com/dYEKdtgVei
— SLANG (@Dopeslangjr_) December 1, 2020
znModeratorLARK@LARams520
Had a doctors appointment yesterday. My doc told me in the next two weeks COVID cases will be the worst theyāve ever been. Asked me if weāve had cases at work and if we havenāt, we will.Stay safe everyone, please.
znModeratorAxel Kopun@FV_Mylia_Lynn
Except for at LT, this is a mediocre pass blocking O-line. When teams know the Rams are passing, watch out. McVay knows this – that’s why all the quick passes & shorter throws. Means not many deep shots and also why we see so many screens on 3rd & long.SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
Sad, but true. This is not the same level of play that we saw in 2018 with Whit, Saffold, And even SullySosa K@QBsMVP
Don’t look now, but John Johnson is now @PFF’s third-highest graded safety (84.9) in the NFL.What a player. JJ3 is really blossoming into a star right before our eyes.
znModeratorSean McVay never considered benching Jared Goff vs. 49ers or Dolphins https://t.co/YnTUJYwHHq
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 1, 2020
znModeratorThis happens against a 3-man rush.
Havenstein blocking nobody.
Corbett getting beat.
Higbee with a bum elbow holding his down solo. https://t.co/xQOGQLNX4d— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) December 2, 2020
znModeratorI meanā¦thatās how I see Goff right now.
You rate him higher. Why?
I am proud of this board and how we discuss this!
Yay huddle.

znModeratorWhat I think is meaningless is the statistic of # of game winning drives, as a pure number or % frequency. Certain QBs are just presented with fewer opportunities to come from behind
Oh I agree on just the number. That’s not a valid comparative stat. If Goff has 8 and Wilson has 11, those numbers in themselves don’t tell you much.
In terms of percentage, yes that does tell you something. If Rodgers is in comeback situations 10 times and they only win 2, that very likely means he does not have the traits you value in that situation. Whereas if Wilson is in that situation 10 times and wins 7, that very likely means he does have the traits that are displayed in that situation.
However nobody does percentage of wins in that situation as a stat. So it’s hard to do a valid comparison. That would mean going through every qb’s gamelogs for a few years. And, no one is going to do that.
What we do when we hear about Goff’s comebacks is recall the situations. So for example winning on the road in New Orleans after coming back from 3 points down to tie in the final 15 seconds, and then to win in overtime…an ordinary game manager scrub can’t do that.
Same thing displayed in the comeback from a tie win against Tampa 2 weeks ago. So whatever he displayed in New Orleans is still there.
I like to think that knowing things like that can balance the discussion. Which is especially important when the qb lost a game that has everyone angry. My first impulse when everyone is angry at a player, is to drift to balance. Doesn’t mean the person drifting toward balance is right, but, I think it contributes to fuller discussion.
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znModeratorI think I see Goffās problem. Heās trying to bounce off hurdles instead of jumping over them.

znModeratorPregame "hip thing" limited Rams CB Jalen Ramsey to 50 of 72 snaps vs. 49ers https://t.co/k3g5oqWHzL
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 1, 2020
znModeratorThatās a thought that ought to inspire everyone, liberals most of all. Imagine slightly different circumstances, in which, say, a conservative governor of a red state had used pandemic concerns last summer to impose draconian limits on public protests,
Faulty logic. There is no evidence protests led to any surge in infections. They say that’s because they were outdoors in the open air and people kept moving and many participants wore masks.
What needs to be restricted is indoor gatherings with many people and not a lot of open air circulation with the outside.
And so no one DID try to restrict protests because of covid.
Meanwhile there are churches all over the country WERE covid super spreaders. Here’s a local example:
More than 40 coronavirus cases linked to Maine church that held fellowship rally
“Based on what we know right now, we expect the number of cases associated with this outbreak to increase, perhaps significantly,” the Maine CDC director said..
znModeratorAn interesting opinion article in the N.Y. Times on the recent decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold religious right against pandemic restrictions in the State of New York.
Thank You, Justice Gorsuch
Liberals will one day cite and celebrate this defense of religious liberty.Bret Stephens
It may take a terrorist attack, a war or some other national emergency, but America will one day thank Justice Neil Gorsuch for his stirring words last week in Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo. āGovernment,ā he wrote in a concurrence to the 5-4 majority opinion, āis not free to disregard the First Amendment in times of crisis.ā
The case arises from restrictions Andrew Cuomo imposed by executive order in October that sharply limit attendance at houses of worship in zones designated by the New York governor as pandemic hot spots. In so-called orange zones, attendance is capped at 25 people; in red zones, at 10. That goes for churches and synagogues that can seat hundreds and that were already limiting attendance, barring singing, practicing social distancing and taking other precautions.
The Catholic diocese, along with Agudath Israel of America and affiliated entities, sued, arguing the restrictions amounted to religious discrimination. The crux of the matter was that businesses in orange and red zones, ranging from liquor stores to bike shops to acupuncturists, were subject to no such restrictions because the governor had deemed them āessential.ā
āSo, at least according to the governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians,ā Gorsuch wrote. āWho knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience?ā
The Supreme Courtās decision only temporarily prevents Cuomo from enforcing his executive order, pending a decision by a U.S. Court of Appeals. But it marks an important departure from similar cases earlier this year, when the court deferred to the judgment of governors for how best to handle the pandemic. It also rejects the view (argued by New York State) that Cuomo treats houses of worship in red zones more favorably than he does, say, movie theaters. The right to the free exercise of religion, even if subject to regulation, deserves greater deference than the right to attend your local cineplex.
What changed? Most obviously, the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her replacement by Amy Coney Barrett.
But other factors clearly weighed on Gorsuch and the four other conservative justices who voted with him. (Chief Justice John Roberts dissented.) One was time. It was one thing for courts to defer to executive authority in the early days of the crisis. But how long can governors override fundamental rights? āEven if the Constitution has taken a holiday during this pandemic, it cannot become a sabbatical,ā Gorsuch wrote.
Another was the game of Hot Zone Whac-a-Mole that Cuomo tried to play with the court as the case was working its way through the legal system, by switching the affected areasā designations back to āyellow.ā That was enough to persuade Roberts and other dissenters that they could leave well enough alone, at least for now. But, as Gorsuch noted, one also has to be modest about judicial modesty: āWe may not shelter in place when the Constitution is under attack. Things never go well when we do.ā
Thatās a thought that ought to inspire everyone, liberals most of all. Imagine slightly different circumstances, in which, say, a conservative governor of a red state had used pandemic concerns last summer to impose draconian limits on public protests, and that he had done so using color-coded maps that focused on denser urban areas and that seemed to apply most restrictively to predominantly Black neighborhoods.
Now imagine this governor had, at the same time, loosened restrictions on large gatherings such as motorcycle rallies, business conventions and football games ā on the grounds that these were essential to the economic well-being of the state. Any objections?
The point here isnāt that the interests of public safety and respect for executive authority must always and fully give way to the assertion of constitutional rights. They shouldnāt and donāt. Nor is the point that the behavior of religious communities during the pandemic has been beyond reproach, or beyond the reach of justifiable legal sanction. It hasnāt.
The point is there are no second-class rights ā and the right to the free exercise of religion is every bit as important to the Constitution as the right to assemble peaceably, petition government for redress and speak and publish freely. That goes in circumstances both ordinary and extraordinary. As Justice Samuel Alito put it in a speech this month that caused some gnashing of teeth: āAll sorts of things can be called an emergency or disaster of major proportions. Simply slapping on that label cannot provide the ground for abrogating our most fundamental rights.ā
There is a perennial danger that rights denied or abridged during one emergency for one class of people will ultimately be denied during another emergency for another class. The reverse is also true. The victory for conservatives in last weekās ruling will be a victory for liberals somewhere down the road. The precedent set by the ruling, and the power of Gorsuchās concurrence, will make the victory sweeter.
znModeratorAlso, on the Game Winning drive front I am not sure its a measurable/meaningful stat, because the context of does your team get behind in the first place is important.
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. š
Rich, I don’t agree with your take on close games and what the ability to win them means. Good teams play other good teams and many decisive games are close near the end. For example, the 99 GSOT Rams did not pull ahead in the championship game against Tampa until the Proehl TD in the last 4-something minutes, and the superbowl winning TD to Bruce came after the 2 minute warning. And the GSOT Rams set a record for scoring, so sometimes even a prolific offense ends up in a close game.
To be a qb in a team trying to finalize a win in a close game or to come from behind, the qb has to play effectively under time duress and more often than not with the wide-open expectation that they have to pass to win. If a qb is effective under those conditions it says a lot about him. If a team believes in the qb under those conditions it also says a lot about him.
And often it’s the case that the defense is allowing the other team to score so the game is close because the offense has to keep answering. So it matters that in the 2nd SF game in 2019, the Rams offense had to come from behind to tie the game late in the 4th (and then the defense blew the game on consecutive third and longs).
Just watching those games you saw a focused qb who was always capable of developing into something more in time.
I looked at GWD/comeback wins over the last 2 1/2 years, and Goff has 8 in those 46 games. But all the number of them does is tell you that he did them. You actually have to remember the games themselves to decide what qualities Goff demonstrated in those situations.
But the sheer number doesn’t matter as much, other than what it generally indicates about the qb IF that is you remember the specific games and what the qb did in them. As opposed to just the sheer number taken in itself, the real stat, which we don’t have, tells you the percentage of wins a qb has in that situation. But no one provides that stat. (For example, and this surprises a lot of people, Rodgers has not won a high percentage of close games in comeback situations.)
Either way the upshot is that I am still a Goff advocate in general and unless what happened Sunday is a trend over the next games, I will just say that all qbs have bad games in their 5th year, or at least I have not found any who didn’t.
I also don’t put all of last Sunday on Goff. For that matter I don’t put any of the 3 bad games in 2020 entirely on Goff. In all 3 cases, there was the eerie 2018 superbowl effect of watching the team be outcoached, or struggle against a defensive gameplan the playcalling couldn’t crack. But that doesn’t have me giving up on McVay, either. I think he too will develop when it comes to that.
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