Zooey wrote:

But it seems apparent that, once again, the Democrats relied mostly on the argument that Trump is terrible

I don’t see that. I saw all kinds of arguments about how to alter the economic situations of ordinary people. Detailed arguments. I saw faaaaaaaaaaaarrrr more of that than anything you’re talking about. None of it was really innovative, it was just common sense centrist stuff. But that’s what I saw.

Biden and Harris just had problems with messaging. Their messages got overwhelmed  by the looming feeling that the economy was bad. Biden did well with his centrist “I’m a manager” style approach in 2020 when there was a huge national sentiment that Trump screwed the economy. But without that, the centrist “I’m just management” style can’t get out the vote.

I am not seeing much on any of this whole issue that is useful from these groups:

• Trumpsters
• we hate the dems style leftists
• mainstream-news type dems

As a leftist myself, I am a little dismayed that #2 in that list is not proving to be that useful. Anyway. The best arguments I have seen so far, and that hold up, are the more “less noise more analysis” types who point out that in both 2020 and 2024, how the economy was perceived drove turnout and drove the elections.

My own “feel” on reading around on this is that the more emotion someone has in trying to find someone to either blame or praise, the less what you get from them actually holds up.

joemad wrote:

anyone know why a flag was thrown on this play?

from https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-rams-rookie-kam-kinchens-000642518.html#:~:text=There%20was%20a%20flag%20thrown,the%20longest%20in%20Rams%20history.

There was a flag thrown on the play for a low block but officials picked it up and ruled there was no penalty.

I didn’t write this. I saw it on the net somewhere.

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it’s all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lover’s Swiss, the police German and it’s all organised by the Italians.

The Rams young DL has been dominant this season pic.twitter.com/yL6Efdw9YZ

— PFF (@PFF) November 7, 2024

wv wrote:

It’ll be interesting to see what McSnead does in the draft.   Where do they see the needs on defense.  Linebacker?  DB?

We’ll need a few more games to really tell so maybe I am getting ahead of myself. But this defense, so far, is IMO much closer than that.  The only draft needs I see for this defense are at corner. The starters at CB are okay now, but they need future starters and CB depth.

This, I am guessing, will be an offensive draft. They are not the same offense without Nacua and Kupp, and those guys have injury issues. They could also use future starters on the OL, believe it or not (Jackson isn’t signed and Hav is getting up there).

Zooey wrote:

Maybe this explains it.

It doesn’t. This is not an issue of the left not being heard, this is an issue of the right getting a very regressive message out to its base, while being backed by big money that has been promised huge gifts in the form of tax relief and drilling rights etc.

So it’s a combination of the rich oligarchy getting even more of what it wants than ever before–and I mean by huge big preposterous bunches more–and prejudiced Magas saving their kids from migrants turning them trans (the latter joke captures a real point).

Among the things threatened? Besides the environment. Social security, FEMA, education, women’s reproductive rights, the safety net and assistance out of poverty….

it goes on and on.

This is the worst in our lifetimes. By far. Make no mistake.

zn wrote:

Because of this analysis, it is Dr. Lichtman’s prediction that Kamala Harris will win the White House in the 2024 Presidential Election.

And so much for that.

Matthew Stafford, Cooper Kupp and Demarcus Robinson break down how the Rams’ game-winning touchdown vs. Seahawks unfolded

Stu Jackson

https://www.therams.com/news/matthew-stafford-cooper-kupp-and-demarcus-robinson-break-down-how-the-rams-game-winning-touchdown-vs-seahawks-unfolded

SEATTLE – Matthew Stafford postgame admitted that, pre-snap, he didn’t know he would be throwing the ball on arguably the most important play of Sunday’s game.

“But sometimes those things happen,” the Rams quarterback said. “You get out clean and D-Rob does a hell of a job winning at the point and then holding him off and then catching it.”

That clean look translated to the game-winning, walk-off touchdown – a 39-yarder to wide receiver Demarcus Robinson to lift the Rams to a 26-20 win over the Seahawks.

Wide receiver Cooper Kupp said the intent of the play is to “be able to get the edge clean for Matthew,” and “give him a chance to make a play and do something sweet.” Kupp sealing the edge was what drove Stafford’s decision to make that throw to Robinson.

“After I see it, I kind of just made myself available,” Kupp said. “That ball is very rarely thrown to that route. D-Rob did a great job off the line of scrimmage, and when he set that angle high, I just couldn’t believe it when I saw Matthew flip his hips. I said, ‘Oh, he’s about to let this thing go.'”

Just as impressive as the pass was Robinson’s one-handed grab at the end, though he wasn’t doing it for style points.

“I was just trying to hold the guy out because he (Seahawks cornerback Riq Woolen) was kind of catching up,” Robinson said. “Woolen’s pretty fast, so he was catching up to the ball. Because, you know, the ball takes a little distance for it to get to me. So he was catching up. So I was like, ‘alright, let me just stick my arm out,’ and he was starting to hold on to my arm, so I only had one arm to try to make a play.”

“When I threw it, you know, the body language from D-Rob, I was like, ‘oh no, I under threw it,’ I thought I might have under thrown a dish from his body language,” Stafford said. “He did such a great job holding him off.”

It was a fitting end to a game-winning drive that began with a pair of explosive completions by Stafford: An impressive 24-yarder to wide receiver Tyler Johnson, followed by a 16-yarder to wide receiver Tutu Atwell. Stafford said Johnson did a good job of getting in front of Woolen, and said he “didn’t have any other options” on that throw, the timing of which narrowly avoided an interception by an incoming Seahawks defender. Stafford also praised Atwell for the great job he did of separating from his defender on that deep comeback route.

It was also a rewarding end for a Los Angeles defense whose 4th-down, redzone stop in overtime launched that drive, after having to make up for some of the challenges endured by the offense in the first half and parts of the second half.

“It’s our turn, man,” Robinson said of the offense’s mindset when it got the ball in overtime after that stop. “The defense did a great job giving us a stop, giving us the ball back. It’s our turn to go put points on the board. It was either score get three points and end the game, or not leave it up to the kicker. So we was trying to just get a touchdown so it could be over with.”

.@RamsNFL @seahawks @beaux_knows_ v @byronmurphy good matchup in the trenches between 2 teams that looked even steven. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/Gw57e4gUNF

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 6, 2024

Zooey wrote:

I agree with all of this. That was either the greatest shitty pass of all time, or the shittiest great pass of all time. Or something. I dunno. But I’ve never seen anything like that before. That was brand new fresh and original. You know, he led Tyler Johnson precisely, and put that ball EXACTLY where it need to be for that to be a catch. And the fact that “Pants-Around-His-Ankles” Worrell tried to deposit that check before it got endorsed just adds to it.

More than that, I don’t think he makes that pass to anyone but Johnson. Johnson is their big, tough, physical, contested catches guy. Nacua has some of that, but Johnson more so.

From what I see in different angle vids is that Johnson was either going to prevent the INT or make the catch. As I see it, the CB was moving toward the ball, he wasn’t just standing there, and Johnson saw it all, the ball in the air and the CB.

Zooey wrote:

I don’t even recognize this Rams front office anymore. Why don’t they go get some actual players?

They know nothing about football. Remember, they’re the guys who let Darren Arnold retire.