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znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_LongHaving grown together through the NFL’s toughest opening month, now the@RamsNFL are home for three… and for the first time in 336 days, Matthew Stafford & Cooper Kupp will be on the field together.
znModeratorDonald teleporting past the slide to his side pic.twitter.com/HJvTTgpHE6
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) October 7, 2023
znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121the rams d ranks:2nd best in 3rd down conversions allowed
2nd best in completion % allowed
7th best in pass yards per attempt allowed
8th best in qb rating allowedthe eagles d has been stout vs the run but not the pass, will the rams come out passing?
the rams rank #7 in offensive scoring, the eagles #5 – both offenses also rank top 10 in third down conversion rate, scoring per drive, field goals per drive and offense epa, while being very close in yards gained per play.
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We need a good TOP and chunk plays. We’ve got 21 – 20 yd plays and have allowed 15. Indy had 7 of them. But we had 8. We had 6 against Seattle and Cincinnati, allowing just 3 combined. The game we had only 1, vs SF (who had 5), we still won the TOP with 33:11. So that alone won’t cut it. We have to control the ball AND get chunk plays. And hopefully prevent them.
Our defense hasn’t allowed 250 yards passing yet. In fact, only once over 206. Philly is averaging 226. We did have 2 bad games vs. the run though. 159 vs SF and 133 last week. So really only 1 bad game. McCaffrey had 20 for 116 (5.8). Richardson ran for 56 of the 133, leaving RBs with 21 for 77 (3.6). Now we face a good RB (Swift) and a good running QB. But Hurts has carried 40 times for only 134 (3.3).
znModerator#FlyEaglesFly v #RamsHouse! @gregcosell breaks down how the Rams’ motion and route concepts have created voids against zone defense. Stafford’s timing, anticipation and arm talent have helped Puka Nacua and Tutu Atwell flourish early on.@DariusJButler | @PlaybooKFoley pic.twitter.com/bRcA9cCihW
— NFL Matchup on ESPN (@NFLMatchup) October 6, 2023
znModeratorQuick: How many of you can name a defensive player for the Rams other than Aaron Donald?
Eagles are going to be challenged by McVay’s better than expected Rams.
Ross Report game prediction presented by @FOCOusa: pic.twitter.com/nrqTyFH1QF
— Ross Tucker (@RossTuckerNFL) October 6, 2023
znModeratorThe @49ers have the 2nd-most yards on offense in the NFL this season, while the @dallascowboys have allowed the 2nd-fewest yards on defense. 🔥
What do you expect to see when these two teams face off on Sunday? pic.twitter.com/rgltI5WUPQ
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) October 6, 2023
znModeratorThe best big-play receivers through Week 4 🔥 pic.twitter.com/Sx6ySJFDqN
— PFF (@PFF) October 6, 2023
znModeratorLos Angeles Rams PR@TheLARamsPRLB Ernest Jones is 10th in the NFL in tackles (38) and tied for 5th in tackles for loss (5).
znModeratorHe does the Rams at 3:17 in.
znModeratorWithout question, this is my favorite NFL Films Dick Butkus segment of them all
The best testimonials, the one I feel best captures the essence of the iconic #Bears middle linebacker
Worth your time
RIP🙏 pic.twitter.com/j2C4Nfo1vJ
— Kevin Gallagher (@KevG163) October 6, 2023
znModeratorRams have put WR Tutu Atwell in same side fast motion on 40 pass plays this year, most among NFL WRs by 30 (!!) plays.
it's been a blend of inside and fast out motions, a nice new wrinkle in Sean McVay's offense pic.twitter.com/JYKgL3AwLn
— Anthony Treash (@PFF_Anthony) October 6, 2023
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilvaSean McVay told reporters that Cooper Kupp will make his season debut on Sunday “unless something different happens in the next 48 hours” Ochaun Mathis is also being activated off IR
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTST
No Joe Noteboom and no Alaric Jackson practicing yesterday for the Rams.The stability at the LT position is the primary cause of concern on the Rams offensive line.
If Jackson/Noteboom can’t go, it will be 3/5 games Rams have had to make a change at that spot.
If the Rams don’t have a starting LT on Sunday and have to go with Thomas/McClendon, it’s going to be very difficult for them to function how they want vs. PHI.
This is a game where you need to be able to line up in empty and spread the defense out. Need protection to do that.
znModeratorAs we hit the halfway mark on my list of eight consecutive 1,000-yard rushing seasons, we come upon another challenging one, 2008. #tbt
Out of the gate, things weren't clicking for us in the run game, and after three games, I was sitting at just over 150 yards, and we were 0-3,… pic.twitter.com/hPqcbV2Tbs
— Steven Jackson (@sj39) October 5, 2023
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTST
Interesting stat via The Athletic Football Show… The Rams lead the NFL is throws between the hashes with 25. Meanwhile, the Eagles defense ranks 30th in EPA on defending throws between the hashes.
znModeratorAJ Schulte@AJSchulteFBMike LaFleur deserves a lot of credit. Easy to see his influence over the Rams offense. Perhaps the most interesting development is less screens. Rams are 31st in screen rate this year, per SIS. Thru 4 games last year they were 5th; 1st in 2021.
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znModeratorOld, new, and borrowed: How Sean McVay’s Rams offense is evolving once again
By Jourdan Rodrigue and Ted Nguyen.When Los Angeles Rams head coach Sean McVay assumed control over the team in 2017, he took an already widely recognized concept — motion — and utilized it at a higher frequency than any coach in the NFL at that time.
The early years of that offense utilized motion to create advantages for outside zone, play action and screens. This helped his overall system — from the pass to the run game — become as quarterback-friendly as possible. When McVay and the Rams traded for veteran quarterback Matthew Stafford in 2021, their philosophy shifted toward the dropback passing game.
This season, the Rams are back among NFL teams deploying the highest frequency of motion concepts — but now, their motions look a little different as McVay’s philosophy has evolved. They’ve used motion on 65 percent of plays through four weeks (No. 4 in the NFL, according to Sports Info Solutions), but rather than largely using it to create favorable angles in the run game (and they still do), they’re also using it to create significant advantages for the passing game.McVay’s evolution has not stopped there.
The Rams have also transitioned into a predominantly gap scheme running game, a far departure from McVay’s outside zone roots. They currently lead the league in gap scheme run usage and rank at the bottom of the league in zone run percentage. This is, in part, a reaction to the light box and odd front schemes that have taken over the NFL — which, ironically, has been partially due to McVay’s offensive success.
“When you do get to those gap schemes, you do get a little bit more downhill physicality out of it — rather than what we’ve primarily been in the past, of a wide-zone/mid-zone team where it’s stretch and cut, stretch and cut,” right tackle Rob Havenstein said last month. “We still obviously do a lot of that, but it’s definitely good flavor especially with some of the size that we have up front.”McVay entered the 2023 season with a directive to his young, half-overhauled Rams roster: to ingrain a new level of physicality throughout his team, starting with the run game.
“Coach said in our meetings, ‘We’re gonna be a gap scheme team this year,’” running back Kyren Williams said. “I love those gap schemes, because it’s a whole lot of movement — but if you understand it, it makes it a lot easier and makes it clearer when the holes are supposed to hit and where you’re supposed to go.”
The 2023 Rams’ base run is DUO, a gap scheme run that is designed to create physical, vertical double teams at the point of attack:Week 1, 9:32 remaining in the third quarter, second-and-7
The 2023 Rams often use speed motion to quickly get blockers on the side of the run before the defense can react. Here, they lined up in a bunch to the offensive right with a tight end to the left. This put the passing strength away from the running strength, which made it difficult on the defense. Receiver Puka Nacua (17) was sent in motion to block the corner to the run side.
Week 4, :59 remaining in the second quarter, third-and-1
Here, receiver/fullback Ben Skowronek (18) lined up outside of Nacua and motioned away from the run side. Nacua had to fold inside to block nickel Kenny Moore (23).
Moore knifed into the backfield aggressively, but Nacua quickly reacted, got in front of him, and pancaked him.
The Rams have at times been able to disguise some of their DUO concepts using their motion rules. They have sent tight end Tyler Higbee in motion, often from a simple pre-snap look on the back side of a formation to a pre- or at-snap “escort”-style motion to the front side. This can sometimes look like a sift block, or in a power concept, a “blast.”
“Tyler’s a psycho,” Havenstein said. “He’s a guy who loves that contact … now he’s doing a lot of stuff where he’s on the front side of things. In the past, he’d be on the back side taking those shots. But now, it’s getting him movement.”
A phrase often attached to McVay’s passing schemes over the years is “illusion of complexity” — running a variety of concepts out of very simple, often identical pre-snap looks. By implementing more disguises into their run game, they are aiming to similarly infuse the illusion of complexity into that phase.
This is aided by receivers who are above-average blockers in the run game. One of the reasons the Rams’ early McVay offenses were so prolific with receivers Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods was because they were highly effective in all of their blocking surfaces.The Rams have always majored in 11 personnel (three-receiver sets) but early in McVay’s tenure some joked that what they really ran was “11.5 personnel,” because Kupp and Woods could also run 12 personnel concepts (two tight ends) and more out of 11 personnel pre-snap looks — in part because of their effectiveness as run blockers.
Nacua still needs development as a blocker, but his willingness to do so sticks out.
“His size and his physicality, that’s what allows him to be able to throw down those run blocks, you see he’s filling the gap and he’s taking on safeties and linebackers,” former Rams star receiver and Hall of Fame semifinalist Torry Holt said. “That’s what Robert Woods had done really well, that’s what Cooper Kupp does really well. Puka is just continuing that trend.”
Nacua joked this week that his job in the run game might get “easier” once Kupp returns to the field from a hamstring injury, which could happen as early as this Sunday in Philadelphia. His implication was that the extra attention Kupp draws as a receiver may mean opposing defenses will be tempted to drop more players into “shell” coverages, which means fewer players blocking up front.The plays the receivers make away from the ball can help hold the disguise of play-action concepts, because if executed effectively teams don’t know whether they will be blocking down into the run game or coming off the line in the pass game.
“(McVay) likes the plays to look the same, and then all the sudden you see Puka motioning down, you see Kupp motioning down — they’re acting like they are blocking, but all of the sudden they’re up in a route,” Holt said. “They are able to marry the run game with the passing game.”
Though the Rams’ offense isn’t as reliant on play action as they once were, Stafford is still using play action on about 21 percent of his dropbacks this season.The Rams’ run game is now deployed out of under center and shotgun looks. As a result, so is their play-action game.
According to TruMedia, Stafford is 11-of-23 when running play action from under center, for 233 yards (10.6 yards per attempt) and 0.23 EPA/dropback. He is 10-of-15 when running play action from shotgun, for 146 yards (11.2 yards per attempt) and 0.45 EPA/dropback. McVay strictly used to run play action from under center, but the threat of a run possibly coming from a shotgun alignment can help alleviate pressure in otherwise known passing situations. McVay started adjusting the play-action diversity when Stafford initially got to Los Angeles (and its frequency dipped dramatically), but now the Rams have also increased their play selection of runs and passes out of either look.
“Obviously when you’re in third down and in obvious pass situations, you’re mostly in the gun,” offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur said. “Being able to have a variety (of run and pass concepts) as opposed to just dropping back and maybe mixing it in one run here and there, I think that was something that Sean wanted to add to this offense and I think us as a staff have put together a menu to allow that to happen and make it so it’s not, ‘Hey, Matthew’s back there, it’s going to be dropback and the defense is pinning their ears back.’”
A play in the Rams’ Week 4 overtime win in Indianapolis demonstrated the Rams’ evolving deployment of motion within their play-action pass (disguised run) game:
Week 4, 9:05 remaining in the second quarter, first-and-10
Here, Nacua motioned inside like he was going to block DUO but instead of blocking, he ran through the C-gap to run a dig route.
Stafford faked DUO, which caused the nickel to step toward the line of scrimmage.
Nacua ran to the second window and Stafford hit him with a dart downfield. Nacua didn’t seem to mind that he ran a “gasser” on the play, Stafford chuckled this week, essentially a semi-circle to get to a spot on the field about 15 yards directly ahead of where he originally stood pre-motion.
“There’s some plays where we put our guys in some gasser situations before the ball is even snapped,” Stafford said. “But I bet if you asked him if he wanted a 30-yard catch on it, he’d say, ‘I’ll do it every time.’ It’s a sacrifice those guys make but I think on the back end it gets them a little bit better access — so they’ll take it.”Like many other coaches in 2023 (not so coincidentally, several come from the same coaching “family”), McVay also uses short motions, which are built to get the receiver running full speed before the snap. Short motions can have variants that include running a few steps toward the middle of the field, or to the sideline.
Teams often use speed players for this type of motion. The Dolphins deploy it for Tyreek Hill with great effectiveness (the Dolphins, Packers and 49ers and now even the Bengals all run the “jogging start” motion), and the Rams often deploy the short motion for third-year receiver Tutu Atwell. Atwell was also the first Rams player to run the jogging start motion that Nacua ran in the above concept, in Week 1 against Seattle for a 44-yard gain.
The new motions the Rams are using for Atwell aren’t just beneficial in helping to move defenders or showing a quarterback “tells” pre-snap about how the defense will react to certain plays. They also get Atwell a “wind-up” of sorts. He is a smaller-framed receiver who should not be attempting to get off the line of scrimmage straight into a hit or jam from a defender. Instead, Atwell gets moving in space before the snap and can click into his second or third gears much earlier in the play progression post-snap — and often in doing so, avoids the contact off the line that would slow him down.
“It’s a couple different things that you can see (the defense doing when a player goes in motion) to help the quarterback gain information,” Bengals coach Zac Taylor said last month when speaking about the Rams’ 2023 offense. “Oftentimes, they do call two plays at the line of scrimmage. So the quarterback’s job is to take (that) information and get to the best play possible. They do a great job with Tutu, motioning him to create releases — you see that a lot in Miami, you’re seeing that a lot in L.A. too. Motioning to utilize that speed, to complement different routes.”
Week 2, 6:27 remaining in the first quarter, first-and-10
On this play, the Rams had Atwell — the player they mostly put in the short-out motion — run a dig.
Week 2, 13:17 remaining in the second quarter, third-and-4

Here, Atwell was put in short motion to get to full speed while running a crosser, as Nacua ran a shallow cross on the opposite side of the field.
On the play, the 49ers’ defense was in Cover 1 (man-to-man with a deep safety and robber). Safety Talanoa Hufanga was the robber. His job was to help on short to intermediate in-breaking routes. With Atwell running full speed at him, Hufanga had to help cover him.
This left the middle of the field wide open for Nacua, who was also aided by a rub.
Week 4, 15:00 remaining in the first quarter, first-and-10
On this play, Atwell was put in a short-out motion to the left of the quarterback, while Nacua ran a dig on the opposite side.
Three defenders slid over to the left when Atwell went in motion, including Moore, who was lined up inside of Nacua.
The two linebackers ran toward Atwell but Moore got good depth in his drop.
Stafford saw Moore, but he was still able to get the ball over him. Nacua made a remarkable catch, tipping the ball to himself, but he had space to do that because the other defenders were occupied by the motion.
Meanwhile, Stafford opened the season healthier than he has in years, and as a result is playing some of the best football of his career. He’s made some of the highest-level throws of the NFL season through the first four weeks. His basic statistics — 103 completions in 166 attempts (62 percent complete), three touchdowns and five interceptions — don’t reflect the overall level at which he is playing.
Stafford is seeing opportunities that many other quarterbacks aren’t, and he has the arm talent to make throws that many other quarterbacks can’t.
“He’s always been able to make amazing throws,” McVay said, after a Week 1 win at Seattle. “I think (he is) getting the opportunity to be able to continue to fine-tune what’s been a rare skill set.”
With a healthy and productive Stafford, the progression of the run game and the new layers and motions building into the pass game, McVay’s offense continues to evolve — while still keeping some elements of the things Stafford likes, such as the dropback game and plays out of shotgun.
But the offense still isn’t done growing, because it has been missing Kupp.
When Kupp returns, Nacua can play the “Woods role” — meaning he can play inside and outside and be a threat on the layered crossers McVay loves to call, while doing a bit of everything else including run blocking.
“When we’ve been at our best from that receiver position, (we’ve had) players that can do multiple things — run after the catch, (have) aggressive hands through contact, digging out (with) force and competing in the run game,” McVay said, “all of which Cooper has done for us, all of which (former WR) Robert Woods has done for us when he’s been at a really high level. I think it’s easy to say, OK, this guy’s a ‘Z’, this guy’s an ‘X’, this guy’s an ‘F’, but there’s nuanced things. There’s certain skill sets that each guy possesses. … What you’re seeing is two guys (who) can do a lot of different things with the ball and without the ball and both stay grounded through the catch. Both are very good after the catch. Both are tough in contested situations.”
Meanwhile, Atwell could be the speed threat who creates space for other players, and can help force defenses to continue to stay in zone/shell concepts to prevent explosive plays — even as the temptation for many teams could be to play more situational man concepts after watching tape of four weeks of zone-beaters from Stafford and Nacua. While he had a little more of an under-the-radar start to the season than Nacua’s, Atwell can play all of the Rams’ receiver positions and has especially become a spatial threat as McVay’s “motion man.”
“Multiple guys are (now) trusted who can get the ball,” Holt said. “For defenses, it’s like, ‘OK, now who do we stop? Do we stop Cooper Kupp, now Puka Nacua, Tutu Atwell, Van Jefferson (are) getting some one-on-one opportunities? Do we take away Puka Nacua?’
“It can become a situation where it’s picking your poison, more so than whether there will be enough balls to go around.”
However, everything hinges upon the Rams getting consistent protection for Stafford week over week, especially now that he’ll be playing through a hip contusion suffered Sunday.
They’ll also have to continue their efficiency in running the ball. Sunday’s 164-yard afternoon marked their first notable rushing performance of the season, although the theory behind what they’ve been trying to do in the run game has been apparent.
“Just the work in training camp, the time under tension of getting in, getting the reps (and) making sure everything is hitting the right way, making sure everyone is seeing it the same way — it’s still a work in progress,” Havenstein said. “But I think it’s something a lot of guys have put a lot of time into.”
znModeratorRams Wire@TheRamsWireFor the 2nd time this season, Puka Nacua has been voted the NFL’s Rookie of the Week following his 163-yard day against the Colts.
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersStafford vs. Hurts comparison –Stafford has the higher QBR, is doing more with less, and is 4-1 against the Eagles lifetime with 10 TD’s and 1 pick. And to re-iterate on the hip, it’s literally a bruise.
znModeratorThe 2023 Rams offense is a living timeline of Sean McVay’s past ideas, blended with borrowed wrinkles and new innovations and playmakers
I posted that whole article. It’s the newest in this thread: The Rams they are a-changin… w/ a big 10/5 update
znModeratorWell, we have no idea if Kupp is gonna be Kupp. Or half-Kupp. w v
I say their Kupp runneth over.
The Eagles.
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRamsRams OC Mike LaFleur on the throws QB Matthew Stafford has made so far this season: “He has every club in the bag.”
znModeratorArizona public school parents warned of the voucher scheme back in 2018.
Last year, that same voucher scheme blew a 900M hole in the state budget. Vouchers fail taxpayers in every state because they are designed to funnel your money to private hands. https://t.co/iOyNIUs0uX
— Jess Piper (@piper4missouri) October 5, 2023
znModeratorsuper bowl era
must rushing yards in a game by a ram vs the eagles – marshall faulk, 159 yards, 2001 championship round.
beat the eagles! pic.twitter.com/Rrv3EvyJzL
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) October 5, 2023
znModeratorTeams with the highest red zone TD % this season…
Ravens – 80.0%
Dolphins – 77.8%
Colts – 72.7%
Packers – 69.2%
Chargers – 68.8%Teams with the lowest…
Steelers – 40.0%
Titans – 38.5%
Cowboys – 36.8%
Texans – 35.7%
Saints – 33.3%— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) October 5, 2023
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Rams are currently ranked 10th at this, at 61.54%. They were ranked 2nd after 2 games but the Bengals game completely screwed that up. That stat is here: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct
This is an old problem area for the McV Rams, but (aside from the Bengals game this year) one that appears to be fixed in 2023, finally.
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimeskleinIn portion of practice open to reporters, primarily individual drills, Rams star receiver Cooper Kupp appeared to be going full speed without any limitations.
znModeratorThe Rams put the dagger in Philadelphia with this 4th quarter scoring drive in 2020.
A explosive 40 yard run by @DarrellH8 set Jared Goff up for a 28 yard play action TD to Tyler Higbee. It was the career high 3rd TD for @Ty_Higs19 on the day pic.twitter.com/c26dHSbK7v
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) October 5, 2023
znModeratorUs: "they're going to ban birth control. The right wing goal is to return women to subjugation. It was never about kids"
The media: "no way, you're being crazy. They'd never do that."
Them: "We're going to ban birth control. Our goal is to return women to subjugation." https://t.co/IZ3fnDDSmR
— Kyle Garner (@KyleGarnerMO) October 5, 2023
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