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znModeratoralso doesn’t sound like speights is the starter. at least not immediately.
True
i’m perplexed.
There has to be more to this story. I suppose maybe it’s the combination of Jones asking for an extension while also being out and not contributing. Could it be that that rubbed McV the wrong way? Not defending it (if that’s what happened) or criticizing it, just speculating.
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znModeratorAndrew Siciliano@AndrewSicilianoSean McVay on Ernest Jones trade: “Football decision. What we felt was best for the football team. Amazing guy. He was great for us for a few years. But we felt that this was best for our football team.”.McVay says the Rams won’t add a veteran ILB: “You guys are all shocked. But we feel really good about our football team.”znModeratordoes anyone mind if I mentally pronounce our new MLB’s name as Omar Spatz?
znModeratorWould they have got a 6th rounder for him anyway? Or something?
yeah. that’s what i want to know. cuz that would piss me off even more. even if speights is better than jones. then start both or keep one for depth. i want to understand why.
Wouldn’t they have received a comp pick based on his new salary with his new team? That means it could have been as high as a 3rd. I think a 4th was doable for a starting linebacker, on the cusp of being a pro bowler. At least a 5th. Oh, well. Hopefully, Jourdan will have some insights soon enough.
Jones while good at his role as a 2 down ILB, was a 2 down ILB. He really isn’t a cover guy and Shula has indicated he’s going to keep putting safeties in LB spots depending on the downs, as the Rams have before.
I wanted to see Speights at the other ILB spot alongside Jones, which (assuming he’s a good as he has looked so far) would fix a weakness in the front 7. Now they have Speights at the primary ILB spot and still have the weakness at the other ILB spot.
znModeratorfrom Here is the Rams’ initial 53-man roster for 2024: https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-roster-cuts-tracker-moves-injuries-practice-squad/?taid=66cde6232e4e7e000109ad35&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Quarterback
Matthew Stafford
Stetson BennettRunning back
Kyren Williams
Blake Corum
Ronnie RiversWide receiver
Cooper Kupp
Puka Nacua
Demarcus Robinson
Tutu Atwell
Jordan Whittington
Tyler JohnsonTight end
Colby Parkinson
Davis Allen
Hunter LongOffensive tackle
Rob Havenstein
Joe Noteboom
Warren McClendon Jr.
Conor McDermottGuard
Jonah Jackson
Kevin Dotson
Logan BrussCenter
Steve Avila
Beaux LimmerDefensive line
Kobie Turner
Bobby Brown III
Braden Fiske
Tyler Davis
Desjuan Johnson
Cory DurdenEdge rusher
Byron Young
Jared Verse
Michael Hoecht
Brennan Jackson
Nick HamptonInside linebacker
Christian Rozeboom
Troy Reeder
Omar Speights
Jacob Hummel
Elias NealCornerback
Darious Williams
Tre’Davious White
Cobie Durant
Josh Wallace
Charles WoodsSafety
Kamren Curl
Quentin Lake
John Johnson III
Russ Yeast
Kamren Kinchens
Jaylen McColloughSpecial teams
K Joshua Karty
P Ethan Evans
LS Alex WardznModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRams cuts. UDFA CBs Charles Woods and Josh Wallace make the 53, as does Jaylen McCollough. OL Logan Bruss does as well, and UDFA ILB Omar Speights. All five players had really strong camps/preseasons. Rams also keeping 3 RBs. Jordan Whittington a factor here not as an RB butznModeratorAndrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
Rams keep FIVE undrafted rookies, all on defense.DB Josh Wallace
DB Charles Woods
DB Jaylen McCullough
LB Omar Speights
LB Elias NealznModeratorso which is it? are the rams actively trying to trade him or is jones’ camp seeking a trade. or we just don’t know at this point?
According to Rodrigue, letting him know he can seek a trade is their response to Jones wanting an extension. That is, Jones is able to do that if he wants to, which is not the same as the Rams deciding that they will trade him and so as a team are actively seeking trade partners. BTW Jones deleted the post saying he didn’t ask to be traded.
Everything I said there is probably wrong.
Update:
Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFLI had heard Atlanta had inquired, but there’s some bad reporting out there on all that. Jones never asked for a trade. The Rams just took some calls.August 27, 2024 at 1:10 pm in reply to: Just a thread for different kindsa interesting things #151887znModeratorznModeratorznModeratorLooks like this game will have 2 subs at OT, which considering it’s Detroit (tough DL) and on the road, does not look promising at first glance.
Where is Greg Robinson when you need him.
Oh wait yeah that’s right, he was put on 5 years probation in 2020 for possessing 150 pounds of weed while crossing an American border checkpoint coming from Mexico, and then arrested again in 2022 in Louisiana with $120 thousand in illegal drugs in his possession.
So he’s probably not available either.
znModeratorfrom https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/8/26/24229016/rams-cuts-injury-update-rob-havenstein-roster
.In Sean McVay’s latest update on injured players on Monday, the Rams head coach expressed optimism that guard Jonah Jackson and cornerback Darious Williams are both expected to be ready for Week 1, as is receiver Puka Nacua. However, on the topic of Rob Havenstein, McVay was less sure of his Week 1 availability after suffering an ankle injury at the beginning of August, calling it a “possibility” that the Rams would be without their right tackle.
That news is doubly-bad based on left tackle A.J. Jackson’s two-game suspension to start the season. However, if Havenstein is expected to miss multiple games, it could be in L.A.’s best interest to put him on IR before final cuts are made on Tuesday.
In the past, teams had to keep players on the 53-man roster before putting them on injured reserve, but a new rule allows teams to put up to two players on IR before the 53-man roster cutdown. This means that if the Rams have two players who need to go on IR, they will be able to keep additional two players during final cuts.
It’s a rule change that should be expected to have a significant impact on decisions made on Tuesday and Havenstein would seem to be the Rams player who could be closest to having it apply to his status.</p>
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue
McVay also addressed starting left tackle Alaric Jackson’s two-game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy, though declined to share many details about the situation. McVay did allude to the team’s previous awareness of a situation involving Jackson that “could fall under” the league’s personal conduct policy, though was alerted to the suspension itself last week. McVay also said that there was not a legal process involved in Jackson’s suspension.
Jackson, who is also recovering from an ankle injury, participated in the portion of practice media was allowed to watch. The Rams could potentially be without both starting tackles in Detroit, because Rob Havenstein (ankle) may not return by Week 1, McVay said.
“There’s a possibility (he is back for the opener), there is a possibility that he misses it,” McVay said. “So we’ve got to be able to plan accordingly.” Warren McClendon and Joe Noteboom have been rotating in Havenstein’s place.Havenstein is not an injured reserve candidate, said McVay — this would require missing four games.
Starting guard Jonah Jackson (shoulder) practiced, and is expected to be ready for Week 1. So will receiver Puka Nacua (knee) and cornerback Darious Williams (hamstring), who were partial participants Monday.
znModeratorFrom Rams coach Sean McVay addresses possible Ernest Jones trade
Jourdan Rodrigue
LOS ANGELES — Starting inside linebacker Ernest Jones was not present at Monday’s practice, a day after the Los Angeles Rams alerted him to the possibility that he could be traded.
McVay did not say whether he believed Jones would return to the team, only that the Rams are “working through some different things.”
McVay, addressing an ESPN report from Sunday morning that the Rams had given Jones “permission to seek a trade” (thus implying it had been requested), said specifically that Jones did not ask the Rams to move him.
“We never said that he requested a trade,” McVay added, “we’ve had communication with his representation.”
As The Athletic reported Sunday, the Rams let Jones know that he could be traded as they had conversations on the matter with other teams. Jones, a team captain and starter, was expected to play on the final year of his rookie contract after general manager Les Snead said in the spring that the Rams did not intend to extend him. McVay said Jones has handled the situation like a “pro.”
“These are parts of the profession,” he said, “they are not fun parts but they are real parts that you have to acknowledge. Ernest is a pro in every sense of the word. We’re just kind of dealing with it a day at a time.”
Potentially motivating the Rams’ openness to move Jones is the emergence of rookie Omar Speights, who Snead said will make their game day roster — in tandem with the reality that Jones will not receive an extension in Los Angeles.
znModeratorPFF LA Rams@PFF_RamsHighest-graded Ram in the preseason finale:AJ Arcuri – 93.7znModeratorSean McVay & Les Snead’s In-Game Interviews vs. Texans | Coach Cam.znModeratorznModeratorboston scott? whoa. that’s a bit of a surprise no?
Agree. I thought he looked better than Evans this summer. With any luck no one will pick him up and he will be out there if the Rams ever need to add a back. Well, that would be Rams luck, not necessarily luck for Scott, but you know what I mean.
znModeratorJAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGEN#Rams LT AJ Arcuri finished his 2024 preseason as the 3rd overall graded offensive lineman per PFF. Heck of a leap for the three-year man out of Michigan State. Logan Bruss finished 4th overall for what it’s worth as well.…me, from moi.com: the showing of the Rams preseason OL IMO speaks very well of the OL coach, which I’ve said before…but fwiw a better witness than me says the same thing:.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
the fact that the Rams reserve OL looks pretty solid with so many starters dealing with injuries is a credit to position coach Ryan Wendell in just his second season, and to asst. OL coach Zak Kromer + consultant Mike Munchak.znModeratorso which is it? are the rams actively trying to trade him or is jones’ camp seeking a trade. or we just don’t know at this point?
According to Rodrigue, letting him know he can seek a trade is their response to Jones wanting an extension. That is, Jones is able to do that if he wants to, which is not the same as the Rams deciding that they will trade him and so as a team are actively seeking trade partners.
BTW Jones deleted the post saying he didn’t ask to be traded.
znModeratorFrom https://nfltraderumors.co/rams-cut-12-players/
Rams Cut 12 Players
According to the league transaction report, the Rams cut twelve players as they have started to trim their roster down to 53 players ahead of the regular season.
The following is a full list of players being released by the team:
RB Boston Scott
OT Matt Kaskey
DE Carlos Watkins
LB Olakunle Fatukasi
WR J.J. Laap
OT Blake Larson
C Alec Lindstrom
LB Ochaun Mathis
DB Cameron McCutcheon
G Grant Miller
QB Dresser Winn
RB SaRodorick ThompsonznModeratorErnest Jones@ernestjones53I never asked for a trade.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue The Rams have let starting ILB and team captain Ernest Jones know they are open to trading him, per source. Jones has started since his rookie year, but now enters his fourth season without a contract extension after Rams halted talks in the spring. There’s a difference between a team making it known to a player that they are open to the possibility of trading him, and that player or his camp specifically asking permission to seek a trade.With Jones seeking a new contract, it’s possible the Rams are simply sending him a message by telling him he can see if there’s another team out there willing to meet his asking price. If so, the Rams would be willing to deal him for the right compensation.
znModeratorErnest Jones@ernestjones53I never asked for a trade.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
The Rams have let starting ILB and team captain Ernest Jones know they are open to trading him, per source. Jones has started since his rookie year, but now enters his fourth season without a contract extension after Rams halted talks in the spring.There’s a difference between a team making it known to a player that they are open to the possibility of trading him, and that player or his camp specifically asking permission to seek a trade.
znModeratorErnest Jones@ernestjones53I never asked for a trade…me: that was posted at 3:36 et on 8/25znModeratorDefense in the ring year had, what?, Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Jalen Ramsey… This year….?
Well to me the simple answer is…we don’t know yet.
I don’t know how deep it goes or how real it is yet, but although I liked Morris, what I saw this preseason was an especially well-coached defense that played fast because it was very keyed in on what it was doing. And that was just the 2s.
I think the secret ingredient this year is Shula. Or, rather, what Shula can do coaching up a young front 7 plus a veteran secondary.
That’s a hunch of course. I have nothing to base it on. Or, just shadowy indications, nothing more.
znModeratorAri Meirov@MySportsUpdate.Jordan Schultz@Schultz_Report.Me (at moi.com): I thought Scott looked good. I liked him better than Evans. Once again, the Rams don’t listen to me. And I ask you–what good has it ever done them to ignore my takes on things? Hmm?znModeratorMaybe the Rams would be more interested in extending him if they didn’t have Hacksaw Speights in their back pocket.
There’s a difference though in how Reynolds and Speights got that name.
Reynolds sawed a jeep in half to express his frustration at a loss.
Speights cut a cell phone in half. Of the 2 it was seen as the greater, more symbolically distinguished sacrifice.
znModeratorTurns out Limmer didn’t play I don’t know who it was but the Rams are suddenly deep very deep on the OL.
Ah. Thanks for the info.
znModeratorApparently it stands this way: Jones wants an early extension, the Rams aren’t willing to do that. The logic being I suppose that you can only extend so many guys, and the Rams…to date…have tended not to extend ILBs and safeties.
That’s what it looks like. But, of course, they used to have Aaron Donald in the middle which meant dominant ILBs was not a need. Even so, it seems sound strategy to me – given the rules favoring the passing game – that the defensive priorities would be LOS/Edge, and versatile coverage guys. I like Jones, but he may be a luxury after his rookie deal is over.
Yeah I don;t know how I feel about it. On the one hand, as you say it makes sense. On the other hand, if this Ram administration regularly screws anything up, it’s extensions. I like Jones. Is it a case where the stone cold hard line should prevail? Or is it worth it to keep Jones? Either way, Jones is good but at the same time he’s not London Fletcher.
znModeratorApparently it stands this way: Jones wants an early extension, the Rams aren’t willing to do that. The logic being I suppose that you can only extend so many guys, and the Rams…to date…have tended not to extend ILBs and safeties.
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