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May 18, 2024 at 9:13 am in reply to: Rams off-season assessments & rankings & early previews #150971
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Rams in top 15 of ESPN’s post-draft NFL power rankings (ramswire)
“In ESPN’s post-draft power rankings last year, the Rams were slotted in at No. 25. Coming out of the 2024 draft, the Rams are 14th in ESPN’s poll, the same position they were in after free agency.
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ESPN picked the Rams’ most improved unit as the secondary, which isn’t wrong; the additions of Kamren Curl, Darious Williams, Tre’Davious White and even Kamren Kinchens will make a big difference in the defensive backfield.
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The Rams did a lot to improve their defensive front in the draft, but they still had Aaron Donald on their roster at the end of the 2023 season. Last season, Los Angeles had 10 interceptions — tied for 23rd in the NFL. Improving the secondary was a focus during free agency and the draft, with the Rams signing cornerbacks Tre’Davious White and Darious Williams and safety Kamren Curl and selecting safety Kamren Kinchens in the fifth round.
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The only NFC West team ranked higher than the Rams is the 49ers, who are No. 2 behind the top-ranked Chiefs. Of the teams in the top 10, the Rams will face six of them in 2024, which shows how difficult their schedule will be.”</p>
znModeratorFrom How Los Angeles Rams’ busy first round led to Jared Verse, their definition of ‘defense’
By Jourdan Rodrigue
Apr 26, 2024https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5447864/2024/04/26/jared-verse-los-angeles-rams-nfl-draft-pick/
HERMOSA BEACH, Calif. — As pick after pick came off the board, Los Angeles Rams outside linebackers coach Joe Coniglio, initially sitting on a low couch in front of the television broadcast in the lower level of the team’s draft house, got up and began to pace.
The first round of the 2024 NFL Draft featured a unique opening run on offensive players. That left top pass rushers Jared Verse and Dallas Turner on the board as the Rams’ pick inched closer.
Suddenly, Minnesota traded up to No. 17. Coniglio speed-walked up two levels of stairs and into the war room where coach Sean McVay, general manager Les Snead and others held operations. The Vikings selected Turner, and the Rams — after an anxious few moments as the Cincinnati Bengals picked at No. 18 — sent their pick in for Verse at No. 19. Coniglio and defensive coordinator Chris Shula walked back downstairs, shouting, fist-pumping and back-slapping other coaches.
Verse’s energy matched theirs.
“This is a dream come true, a dream come true, woo!” Verse said, speaking with reporters shortly after the pick. “It’s time to work. It’s time to show them they ain’t make a mistake, it’s time to show them what we do. I’m excited (to) get to work. … I’m ready for it.”
Verse, who excelled with back-to-back nine-sack seasons in 2022 and 2023 at Florida State, is the Rams’ first opening-round draft pick since they selected Jared Goff in 2016.
To the Rams, Verse — their highest defensive draft pick since retired star Aaron Donald was selected at No. 13 in 2014 — filled the combination of best player available and biggest need. He is expected to start immediately opposite second-year pass rusher Byron Young and with second-year defensive lineman Kobie Turner on the interior. Turner already reached out to Verse.
“Kobie was the first one, real quick. He texted me to let him know if I needed anything,” he said. “He reached out to me, ‘Don’t hesitate.’ And I’m going to take him up on that offer. He’s gonna regret saying that to me.”
Verse met privately with the Rams this week (he did not have any formal meetings or workouts with the team, which Snead said was intentional to keep their interest under the radar). Team sources said he was one of their top overall prospects. On Thursday, the Rams called multiple teams to gather intel on what the prices would be to trade up or down, including a conversation with a team in the top 10 that could have led to selecting an offensive player.
Los Angeles Rams draft Jared Verse: How he fits, pick grade and scouting intel
Team and league sources believed those costs to be too high, especially with multiple other teams trying to trade into that group and therefore driving up the cost. The Rams did not get on the phones as the last few picks of the top 10 unfolded, a source said.
“Offense definitely pushed defense our way,” Snead said. “We always felt like Jared had a chance to get there, but there was definitely a chance for him to go right before us depending on how that whole thing shook out. I think that heavy offensive, six QBs going, helped Jared get to us.”
As the board fell in rare fashion — 14 offensive players were selected before a single defensive player, including six quarterbacks — the Rams prepared to possibly trade back from No. 19. Having two of the top pass rushers clustered so closely motivated them to stay put, and they were rewarded with Verse.
Verse immediately will lend size, power and high-end energy to a pass rush that was woefully incomplete last season. One scout compared Verse’s attacking, ceaseless play style to former Rams outside linebacker Leonard Floyd, although Verse has more bulk around his frame, and the scout believed Verse’s power will complement Young’s speed.
Verse initially will play edge/outside linebacker, but McVay noted Verse eventually could play over a guard.
“You can tell he cares about football, he has fun playing football, and oh, by the way, he’s pretty disruptive and violent,” Snead said. “You think ‘defense,’ the way he plays is next to the word in the dictionary.”
znModeratorRams’ 2024 Schedule: Instant Reaction
J.B. Long
It’s my favorite day of the offseason, and we’re coming in hot.
At long last, the schedule is real – and it’s amazing. I’m absolutely thrilled with it and hope you are, too.
Let’s check the basics, and we’ll start by ripping the Band-Aid.
The bye lands in Week 6, and that’s brutally early. Earliest since returning to Los Angeles, in fact. 2015 was the last time the Rams had an open date this high on the slate.
Thursday Night Football lands in Week 8 at home against the Minnesota Vikings. That’s not bad… Except for the fact that there’s a second TNF, this time at San Francisco in Week 15.
There’s nothing good about having to double up. It’s easily the worst part of the hand the 2024 Rams have been dealt. But if we’re looking for silver linings, at least the first Thursday is versus a team from the central time zone, potentially with a rookie starting quarterback. And the second is a short flight up to the Bay Area for the rematch with the 49ers, perhaps streamlining the short week of preparation?
Also, if you’re somehow intact after that Week 15 trip to Santa Clara, and especially if you come away victorious on Thursday, December 12, then you’re teed up for a closing kick with a de facto “mini-bye” leading into the three-game finish at New York and home to Arizona, Seattle.
On to objectively better news.
There’s only one true road back-to-back and it’s right out of the gates, at Detroit and at Arizona in the first two weeks. Technically, the Rams also play back-to-back road games in December, but those are separated by 10 days (at Santa Clara on a Thursday, followed by a flight to New Jersey the following week).
The best home schedule I’ve been a part of opens against the rival San Francisco 49ers in Week 3. Wouldn’t want it any other way.
And that brings us to long homestands. For numerous reasons, it’s best to avoid three consecutive home games, if possible. And the Rams have essentially done that in 2024 – a definite boon for a nine-game home schedule.
While the Rams won’t get on a plane in October, the bye week breaks up their month-long SoFi Stadium residency.
As it turns out, the Rams only leave the state twice in the final seven weeks of the season. Four of their final five games are in California, including the big finish – hosting Arizona and Seattle to close out the regular season.
Follow the Formula
As we’ve done in the past, let’s get a quick refresher on the league’s scheduling formula.
The home or away nature of assignments is all predetermined on a rotating basis, such that every NFC team hosts and travels to all the other NFC opponents at least once every four years, and likewise for every AFC opponent at least once every eight seasons.
Thus, we’ve known the Rams opponents since early January; we just didn’t know the dates, times, or television assignments until now.
The Rams always play their NFC West rivals, home and away – those are the core six games.
They’ll also take on the entirety of two daunting divisions in 2024: the NFC North and AFC East – there are another eight games.
The Rams are matched with like-place finishers in the remaining NFC divisions, in this case the 2023 runners-up from the South (New Orleans… yes, for the umpteenth year in a row) and East (Philadelphia) – those games bring us to 16.
And lastly, when the schedule escalated to 17 games, the NFL also instituted a like-place-finisher inter-conference battle. The Rams’ 17th game in 2024 is a home date with Las Vegas, after the Raiders finished second in the AFC West last year.
Sainthood, Confirmed
As an aside, the Rams will face the Saints for the eighth time in the past nine years when they head to the Superdome on the first day of December.
Guess what? They host the Saints again next year, too.
Nonetheless, sign me up for a bonus trip to the Big Easy in February, if necessary.
Feast or Famine?
The longest Thanksgiving drought in the NFL continues, as the Rams head to Detroit to open the season on Sunday Night Football rather than on November 28, as some had hoped.
In fact, the Rams dodge all holiday games this year – no Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Black Friday. (You’ll never hear the radio guy complain.)
Respect on their name?
Prime time assignments this year: five, most since 2020.
That’s more like it after just two last regular season – one Monday, one Thursday.
Also in 2023, the Rams were placed in five early-window regional kickoffs. This time around, they’re on track to play at 10 a.m. on only three occasions – Week 4 at Chicago, Week 11 at New England, and Week 16 at New York (flex potential here!).
Green Bay in LA
The Rams have traveled to Green Bay four straight seasons, losing each time.
It is worth noting that Matthew Stafford has only played in one of those games, however.
The playoff trip following the 2020 season was Jared Goff’s last game as a Ram before the trade. Stafford’s trip in 2021 was the final gut-punch of a winless November (that became undefeated December and eventually a Super Bowl). The last two years, the Rams have been quarterbacked by Baker Mayfield and Brett Rypien at Lambeau.
So, yes, it will be a welcome change to host the Cheeseheads, especially if Stafford is starting in Week 5.
Strength in Numbers
I think Warren Sharp’s methodology makes the most sense, especially this time of year, when it comes to weighing strength of schedule.
Before the sequencing of the schedule was made known, he had the Rams essentially right at league average. Of particular interest, he has the NFC West teams ranked consecutively, 15th through 18th.
So that’s a nice data point and some peace of mind that the playing field is roughly level within the division.
Watch Out For the West
Here’s what the market may be mispricing, though: Everyone’s going in on the North being the best NFC division. I see the West as better. (And we’ll find out in 2024 with 16 head-to-head games.)
The 49ers had won 12 straight NFC West games until the Rams beat them in Santa Clara last January. And the Niners are still the Niners. However, I think the division is rising to the challenge to dethrone them.
Seattle’s roster is in a great place, and the Seahawks feel like they won the coaching cycle.
And I truly believe the Cardinals are ready to make the leap. They’ve stacked multiple high-value drafts. Their staff had them playing appreciably better in 2023. By the end of last season, their running game was electric. And I’ve been banging this drum for years now – Aaron Donald was Kyler Murray’s kryptonite. Without him on the field, Murray’s flashed MVP potential. So beware in Week 2 (and beyond).
I’d love to be completely wrong about this. But going 5-1 against the NFC West, like the Rams did a year ago, may not be realistic.
Which is fine. 6-0 is the goal, anyway.
First Timer?
The Rams are scheduled to face five of the first 10 picks from the 2024 Draft, including the three quarterbacks.
Caleb Williams will be starting Day One in Chicago, and presumably in Week 4 when the Rams visit.
We’ll see about Drake Maye in New England, but you would assume by November he’ll be at the controls for the Patriots.
Getting J.J. McCarthy and the Vikings at SoFi Stadium in October (on a short week) could be a favorable draw for the Rams defense.
Some other first-round storylines I’m looking forward to…
The first receiver off the board is going to be a twice-a-year chore – Marvin Harrison, Jr. changes the math against Arizona.
You’ll notice the retooled Rams secondary runs the gauntlet right out of the chute – Lions, Cardinals, 49ers, Bears, Packers. We’ll have a grasp of what rush and cover life after Aaron Donald (and under new defensive coordinator Chris Shula) looks like right away.
Brock Bowers was clearly coveted by many, but wound up in Las Vegas at 13 overall. The first tight end selected will bring the Silver and Black to Inglewood in Week 7.
The Rams were in the market for defensive tackles, and the first went to Seattle, Byron Murphy II. Both matchups with him and the Seahawks land in the back-half of the schedule.
The Vikings also traded up to get Alabama’s Dallas Turner at 17, two picks in front of the Rams, who took their edge rusher in Jared Verse.
Los Angeles preferred Verse to Chop Robinson, another outside backer, who comes to town for Monday Night Football in Week 10 with Jalen Ramsey, Odell Beckham, Jr. and the Dolphins.
And then one bonus theme, from early in Round Two: The Eagles thought the Rams were jumping them for Cooper DeJean. Instead, they paid a king’s ransom to get Braden Fiske at 39 and Philadelphia was able to take their defensive back at 40. That might be mentioned on Sunday Night Football in Week 12.
Balancing Act
Finally, you may recall the Rams playing four opponents coming off their bye weeks last season. It might’ve been the understatement of 2023 to say that was a competitive disadvantage. LA went 1-3 in those contests against the Steelers and Cowboys (back-to-back), Ravens and Commanders (also back-to-back).
As of this writing, we don’t have visibility into the calendars of the Rams foes, yet. But as soon as they are public, we’ll follow up in the hopes of avoiding such imbalance in 2024.
znModeratorLimmer’s 36.5-inch vertical was tied for second among all offensive linemen. He also showcased his strength with 39 reps on the bench press. That was seven more reps that any other offensive lineman and the most for any participant at any position. As The Athletic’s Dane Brugler noted in “The Beast”, Limmer was considered the strongest player on the team by teammates. According to his strength coach, he squatted 700-pounds last July and could have done more had they let him.
Somehow, despite a 9.8 Relative Athletic Score that athletically compared him to an all-pro player in Joe Thuney, Limmer continued to slide under the radar. And he didn’t just slide under the radar, he slid until the sixth round.
This was one of the more experienced interior offensive linemen in the draft who made 36 consecutive starts in the SEC. Limmer finished his career with 41 starts that included 28 at right guard, 12 at center, and one at left guard. For the Rams to be able to get a player of Limmer’s caliber and experience in the sixth-round is a steal and great value.
In his draft profile of Limmer, Brandon Thorn of the Trench Warfare substack and Bleacher Report said,
“Overall, Limmer is a very athletic, lean, nimble blocker with wiry strength who can strain to finish blocks. His extensive guard experience should at least help him cross-train across the interior as a swing backup in the NFL right away.”
znModeratorMay 17, 2024 at 1:43 pm in reply to: Stafford. You know, that Mark Stafford guy, the quarterback #150953
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znModeratorWSU defensive end Brennan Jackson… had three touchdowns on four fumble recoveries in his final season in Pullman. Jackson had 20 sacks over his career at WSU.
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I heard an interview on a pod from one of the organizers of the senior bowl. They had to move Fiske the day of the game to the other team due to injuries to the DL. That was the one guy the orgnaizer knew wouldnt freak out if he had to tell him that. Also said if you got to watch the game film of the Senior Bowl to determine MVP of the game, Fiske would have won it.
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"Braden Fiske was the MVP for this game" 🍢 pic.twitter.com/DBcre5yFfQ
— Ashley Reamer (@Ashley_Caroline) February 3, 2024
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February 3, 2024…from https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/03/nfl-draft-braden-fiske-shines-senior-bowl/
Braden Fiske’s NFL draft stock keeps climbing. In a recent article, I highlighted his compelling performance throughout the Senior Bowl practice week, particularly noting his dynamic presence in practice sessions and one-on-one reps. His prowess, characterized by a unique blend of speed, power, and aggression, established him as a standout force on the line.
Despite facing challenges in a few reps against Miami’s Javion Cohen, Fiske’s overall dominance, especially in team exercises, underscored his ability to disrupt plays and command the line of scrimmage. Even with a relatively lighter frame, his explosive talent shone through, unequivocally affirming his readiness for the NFL stage. He simply gets off the ball like he was shot out of a cannon at 6’4 295 lbs.
This readiness was further validated during the Senior Bowl game, where Fiske’s performance silenced any lingering doubts about his capability to excel at a higher level. His relentless drive resulted in a constant presence in the backfield, a fact that did not go unnoticed. The game’s commentators frequently mentioned his name, at times dedicating minutes to laud his substantial impact on the game, particularly during the third quarter. NFL analysts Charles Davis and Brian Baldinger both raved about his performance postgame.
Fiske’s performance in the game speaks volumes: a sack, numerous stops in the backfield, and consistent pressure on the offense whenever he was on the field. His initial burst, among the fastest I’ve observed from an ACC interior lineman in recent years, was a persistent nightmare for the opposition. His exceptional play even sparked discussions among spectators and analysts about him being a deserving candidate for the game’s MVP, a remarkable consideration given that he switched teams at the last minute due to roster requirements.
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znModeratorGeneral manager Les Snead, whose stepson is a long snapper at Texas (Whittington’s alma mater), gushed about the receiver and said everybody in the building referred to him as the Longhorns’ “heartbeat.”
I take that pretty seriously, and that’s encouraging insight. And…on another note, I look at the CB depth chart, and it occurs to me that the Rams must like the look of that. Also encouraging. Because there were guys they could have drafted, but didn’t. Their safeties are suddenly looking pretty damn good with the additions of Curl and Kinchens, and their versatility is important. If they get competent work from Williams and White, any growth Durant and Kendrick show will be bonus.
Whittington strikes me as being a great pick. Not for his WR skills alone–he’s not fast and he’s not quick though he does break tackles at a high rate and has what looks to be excellent open field vision on runs after the catch. A 3rd or 4th WR type who doesn’t challenge the defense on his own but makes clutch plays when he’s out there with other WRs drawing the attention. Kind of what everyone thought Proehl was (though truth is Proehl was actually a very good receiver in his own right.)
But beyond all that, everything you hear about him indicates 2 things that are of value.
* He’s a poster-child of team culture intangibles. Leadership and positivity everywhere. Not just on the team–he reportedly became the team’s representative figure for the entire campus. Pretty much everyone who assessed him talked about his high football IQ. It’s as if he is a future coach who already knows how to “build culture.”
* He has all the signs of being a special teams ace. On every unit. He can do returns; he’s known for his blocking; he’s famously ready and willing to do whatever dirty work that needs to be done; and he seems to be heady, physical, and aggressive when he needs to tackle someone. So he would potentially shine in pretty much every single special teams unit that can use someone of his body type–including a blocker on the LOS for on punts and kicks, a blocker downfield for returns on punts and kickoffs, and a gunner type making tackles in coverage on both punts and kickoffs.
May 17, 2024 at 12:08 am in reply to: Rams off-season assessments & rankings & early previews #150938
znModeratorfrom PFF, 2024 offseason grades for all 32 NFL teams: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-offseason-grades-for-all-32-nfl-teams#LAR
LOS ANGELES RAMS: A-
Aaron Donald’s retirement makes the Rams’ roster look worse, but they don’t get dinged for it in this offseason grade. Instead, let’s look at who they brought in.
Darious Williams, Jonah Jackson and Kamren Curl are all impactful signings. They also brought back Kevin Dotson. In the draft, they selected potential starters in Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Blake Corum and Kamren Kinchens. Plus, they might have had my favorite Day 3 draft haul of any team.
It was a positive offseason for the Rams, even with the Donald loss.
ARIZONA CARDINALS: B+
The Cardinals entered the second year of their roster rebuild with a new regime. They added Jonah Williams and Sean Murphy-Bunting in free agency to supplement some of their more glaring needs and were able to draft a long list of new culture fits, including a WR1 in Marvin Harrison Jr.
The key to this grade being a high B or low A is how well Darius Robinson and Max Melton pan out, but the offseason approach was solid.
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: C+
The Niners didn’t make a huge splash in free agency but signed some core players in Leonard Floyd, Yetur Gross-Matos and Jordan Elliott. They lost Arik Armstead and Javon Kinlaw from their defensive line but have the aforementioned new bodies to try to make up for it.
Ultimately, San Francisco needs better offensive line play in 2024, and the only significant addition the team made there was third-round pick Dominick Puni.
It doesn’t feel like San Francisco got better this offseason.
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS: B+
The Seahawks moving on from head coach Pete Carroll was a shock. However, replacing him with Mike Macdonald, one of the best defensive minds in the game, was one of the few ways they could come out on top.
They lost bigger names than they added, as Bobby Wagner, Jordyn Brooks and Damien Lewis are all elsewhere, but they did re-sign Leonard Williams.
Seattle in the draft secured needed impact players in the trenches, selecting Byron Murphy II and Christian Haynes, though their lack of edge defender additions could be an oversight.
znModeratorSean McVay had all the jokes about the Rams' "temporary" office and being a new dad 😅 pic.twitter.com/xPlzUIhfpI
— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) May 16, 2024
znModeratorThe first draft pick in Les Snead's #Rams GM tenure, Michael Brockers played 11 NFL seasons. The longtime Aaron Donald sidekick, who finished his run with the #Lions, is retiring two months after his former teammate https://t.co/iQdV06aIdE
— Pro Football Rumors (@pfrumors) May 16, 2024
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRamsOne interesting note from this year’s schedule: The Rams’ Week 10 home game against the Dolphins will mark their first Monday Night Football played at SoFi Stadium in front of their fans. Hosted Bears in Week 7 in 2020, but no fans in stands due to COVID rules..Rams played on Monday Night Football 5 times from 2021-23 (2x in 21 and 22, 1x in 23), all were on the road.
znModeratorIf you watch one thing today, watch Sean McVay run through his @RamsNFL memory palace with @JB_Long.pic.twitter.com/drvfYLIk9t
— Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano) May 16, 2024
znModeratorThe Rams have a tough opening five games, but the back half of the schedule should set them up for a strong playoff push.
10 takeaways from the Rams 2024 schedule release. https://t.co/rNeEVrd3UD
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) May 16, 2024
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znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_LongLast year, the Rams faced 4 opponents coming off a bye. In 2024, the Saints are the only opponent with an open date before facing LA.
znModeratorThe NBA. Is that the sport where Sandy Koufax was a great goalie? I’m afraid all I know is the NFL.
Yeah I hear ya on the “no talk injuries” routine. Though that doesn’t explain why Stafford wasn’t as good in 2022.
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znModeratorI don't have a problem with Butker praising his wife for being a great homemaker.
BUT he's talking to women who just got done paying $35K/yr (Benedictine tuition) to get a degree and presumably enter the workforce. These are women with career aspirations.
Know your audience https://t.co/IHaIJrwXIn— Jason Cole (@JasonCole62) May 15, 2024
znModeratorThis got me fired up.
The look between RB coach Ron Gould and Kyren Williams (plus the Ronnie Rivers smirk) in the first @RamsNFL team meeting of 2024, as Sean McVay puts on the film of newly-signed Pro Bowl guard Jonah Jackson. pic.twitter.com/p76rt5IEsi
— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) May 15, 2024
znModerator.@MikeSilver on the Sean McVay/Kyle Shanahan rivalry and how McVay's relationship with Jared Goff went south. pic.twitter.com/vX4roCIee4
— Jim Rome (@jimrome) May 14, 2024
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znModeratorrare that a trade works out this well for both players traded 2021 Rams trade Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford
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The Jared Goff/Matthew Stafford trade might have been the most equal trade in NFL history 😳#OnePride #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/XI6DH8Xpk8
— 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔇𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬𝔦𝔱 𝔗𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 📰 (@BrandNewDET) May 14, 2024
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"Goff and Stafford are a much closer comp than Goff and Dak."
Agree with @ColinCowherd? pic.twitter.com/xzNpNv8vXr
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) May 14, 2024
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znModeratorYeah, i imagine purty-much every QB who signed a contract three years-or-so ago is unhappy at this point. w v
QB contracts go up every year. Just how it works.
znModerator1. Braden Fiske, DT, Los Angeles Rams (No. 39)
The Rams had an Aaron Donald-sized hole to (try to) fill at defensive tackle, and Fiske should help fill that void immediately. He lives behind the line of scrimmage as a disruptive force, cruising to six sacks over his final five college games and then crushing the pre-draft process. The Rams’ confidence in his skill set was confirmed by trading up via a package that included a 2025 second-round pick.
znModeratorJoel Corry@corryjoelMatthew Stafford reportedly has been unhappy with his contract. Jared Goff’s new deal won’t help. The Rams did essentially rip up Aaron Donald’s contract in 2022 when he had three years left, like Stafford has now. Expect that to be pointed out to the Rams by Stafford’s camp.
znModeratorThe numbers are incredible https://t.co/mHed73HSbP
— trey wingo (@wingoz) May 14, 2024
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