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znModeratorI thought this was a pretty good one. These guys actually know the team, which is refreshing for reports like this.
They think the division is too tough for the Rams to break through this year but all arrows point up for them.
znModeratorI know what you mean, I doubt he gets picked up IF (and we don’t know) he gets waived then PS-ed.
However at least this much is true: equal rights means equal opportunity, and he did get his opportunity. If he doesn’t make it, it won’t be because he let himself down in any way. It will be because the Rams are just crazy stocked on the DL, and Westbrooks did extraordinary things coming back from an injury in OTAs to play like a madman. (That is, if that holds up for the next 2 weeks.)
There are many years left for Sam either way…who knows how it all looks next year.
And, we all (I think) believe the Rams will make purely football decisions in all of this. That is actually something to be proud of.
As for this:
there’s absolutely no damn reason he shouldn’t be playing on Sundays and if Sam hits the waiver wire, teams should be lined up to claim him and I sincerely doubt any teams will. Notta one…
Yeah I agree. The Rams gave him a shot, in all likelihood the league won’t. If it plays out that way, then, sad but true.
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znModeratorThanks Mike!
I liked this:
the Rams have blessed themselves with a ton of defensive line talent and they all can’t play here. The decision in the next couple of weeks is less “can he play” than it will be “who do we want to see on another team the least”.
znModeratorwell maybe that’s where james comes in. sure looks ugly when it isn’t being run right.
To be fair, some teams that were running it have dumped it.
znModeratori think there’s something to jimitroutboy’s comments about the wide 9 being a horrible scheme. there were just huge lanes for these running backs to run through yesterday. and even week 1.
or maybe laurinaitis and brockers are just that valuable. we’ll see. a little early. if the rams could upgrade laurinaitis, i’d be all for it. but i also understand what he brings to the table. still would like an intimidator there. rams seem to lack a lot of physicality at the linebacker position. but at this point it might be a lot of nitpicking.
The wide 9 doesn’t work unless the LBs and safeties know what they’re doing, and do it.
znModeratorJL calls shifts too in reaction to different fronts.
And some look at the glass as half full and some see it as broken, shattered, with pieces spread all over the kitchen (don’t let the dog in the kitchen). (That;s just me teasing.)
In the 2nd half of the season last year the run D settled down and in both yards and YPC was 1st in the league. That includes games against Seattle and SF.
You can’t say one thing tells us what they are and the other doesn’t. You have to figure out why it’s both things, last year. Or why it was first one than the other. Cause they are certainly capable of what they did after the Tenn. game.
znModeratorAgamemnon wrote:
zn wrote:
With both Jones and Rhaney down, I am switching to Bradford, center (Wells, Barnes, Person) and Mason.…
What did you think of center?
I thought Bradford looked really good.
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znModeratorI watched Donald, in fact focused on his play and I was not that impressed. Is this guy everyone is raving about in camp?
If so, when is it going to translate to games?Grits
Because what you watched isn’t Donald. What you watched was Donald taking Brockers role in the defense with Brockers out. Donald isn’t Brockers, he wasn’t drafted to play that role, and he wasn’t going to look good doing it.
I thought with Donald last night they just sent him out there to take some hard reps as part of a learning curve.
When they use him the way he was drafted to be used, we will have more to judge him by.
Basically it was like asking Rod Perry to play MLB. Rod Perry not being able to play MLB doesn’t mean he can’t play what he is supposed to play.
znModeratorHave to watch the second half.
Save yourself while you still can.
By the time they are into the 4th quarter it is the worst Rams football I have ever seen, and think how much we have seen.
Mentally it led me to revise the famous John McKay quip.
“What do you think of your team’s execution.”
“Already ordered, done, and over with.”
znModeratormissed the entire first half yesterday thanks to DirecTV. My fancy new receiver told me last week that it could be set to record any Rams game and then didn’t work.
Fwiw (and maybe you know this), according to my channel guide the game will be rebroadcast Weds. at 3 AM.
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znModeratorWell, I am more optimistic than you, but I don’t begrudge you your view. I get where you’re coming from.
However, I do have one small disagreement and it’s more historical than philosophical. I doubt it will make any difference in your view. In fact it verges on pedantry.

YOU: True. Our run D did come back in the 2nd half. After we had fallen out of any sense of meaningful competition. After another lost year had been confirmed.
Actually, the run defense improved in the first half of the season. Up and down, but improved. Once it did get set, it wasn’t just that it was better…it was probably the best run defense in the league.
The first 4 games were decidedly awful, with especially bad outings against Dallas and SF.
They picked it up against Jacksonville, lapsed against Houston, got it back together against Carolina, and then smothered Seattle (25 carries for 44 yards).
From the IND game on, they allowed 519 yards on 181 carries. 74 yards a game and 2.87 a carry across 16 games would have ranked them 1st in the league in yards per game and 1st in the league in yards per attempt (and by significant margins in both cases). And that included a game each against SF (30 for 83) and Seattle (36 for 111).
So it’s not just that they improved–they suddenly became the best rushing defense in the game.
Yet that was the same group that looked just bloody awful against Dallas.
Plus of course I don’t think they would have gone 7-9 last year if Bradford had played the whole season. So I don’t attribute the record to the run D alone.
It really is both things, this bunch. In the final stretch last year they weren’t just good, they were superlative. Yet they are (mostly) the same guys who looked lost against Dallas last year and Green Bay yesterday.
So, there’s something to both views, optimistic and critical.
It shouldn’t be this schizophrenic and it’s hard to say why they are (though I have some ideas on that). I mean, what changed to suddenly make them not just good last year, but the BEST? Again I have some ideas on that but it is a strange thing.
Lots to think about.
August 17, 2014 at 9:41 am in reply to: Jim Thomas, Wagoner, Miklasz, & others, on the Green Bay game #4187
znModeratorFor the day, Bradford went 0 of 12 for 101 yards with a touchdown for a rating of 127.4
Zero of 12 for 101 yards? Man that’s some passing game. Hard for defenders when basically you don’t have any throws–yet gain yards anyway.
Who needs completions. I’ll take the yards and the TD.
znModeratorBTW, Was there any news about the Britt injury?
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Yeah. A stinger. They downplayed it.
FISHER: “He just had a stinger. His was fine.”
August 17, 2014 at 8:43 am in reply to: Fisher; Bradford; Long; Stacy; Joyner – transcripts & vids, 8/16 #4179
znModeratorOn WR Brian Quick catching balls in traffic)
FISHER: It was all anticipation. Sam trusted he was going to be in that spot where he needed to be, he cut the ball loose and he went up and got it.—
This echoes what camp reporters are saying. More trust.
I wonder about this. In 2012 they threw long a lot (over 20 yards) but did not really throw medium. I wonder how much of that was the fact that the main guy SB trusted was Amendola, the short yardage king. Well maybe he can trust some of the 11-20 yard guys.
The pass to Quick btw looked to me to be 22 yards in the air, and then BQ adds some yards running to make it 41.
znModeratorHowdy NR. I fixed the image, which I assume is what you intended.
Here’s how to do images.
First with the image in question, right click it and choose “image info.”
That takes you to a page where you can then copy the image url.
Like so:

What you copy is the blued out part.
Anyway then you come to the post box here, and click “img.” You paste the url in that, and then before posting it will ask you a couple of stupid questions. Check the box, type in any name (I chose “a”) and then post.
znModeratorJim Thomas
… even before Saturday’s preseason contest against Green Bay, they lost center/guard Barrett Jones for an extended period — possibly for the season — with back surgery.
… Fisher confirmed that Jones, a highly-decorated lineman at Alabama and a fourth-round draft pick in 2012, underwent back surgery. Jones experienced lower back issues earlier in training camp, and the Rams tried to see if the back would settle down. But he underwent surgery about a week ago, and now the Rams must decide what to do with him roster-wise. They have a couple of weeks to decide.
They can place him on the injured reserve list ending his season. They can place him on the injured reserve/designated for return list, in which case he would be eligible to return sometime during the second half of the season if healthy. Or they could simply carry him on the 53-man roster.
Jones’ rookie season in 2012 amounted to the NFL version of a redshirt year because of foot surgery that occurred after Alabama’s national championship victory over Notre Dame. He reported to training camp this year with improved upper body strength and less body fat, with the potential to push for playing time at both center and guard.
The back surgery puts all that on hold. Mizzou product Tim Barnes is next in line at center behind starter Scott Wells, who saw his first action of the preseason Saturday.
“Tim’s done well,” Fisher said. “Tim did well last year when Scott was down for a while. He’s had a great camp; a little setback with neck spasms the last couple days but all indications are that he played pretty well (vs. Green Bay).
“We got Scott back in for 15-20 plays,” Fisher said. “And Mike Person got some snaps, too, at center.”
Person started the Green Bay game at left tackle, then switched to left guard, and finished at center. The Rams also have center Demetrius Rhaney, a seventh-round pick from Tennessee State, but Rhaney suffered a knee injury in practice Thursday and it’s not known when he’ll return.
August 17, 2014 at 1:52 am in reply to: From what I saw in this Green Bay game, Sam Bradford looks good #4167
znModeratorHey. I moved a couple of your posts to the Green Bay Game Reactions thread. I think Bradford in that game, ie. this post, merits it’s own discussion thread though.
I agree with you that Bradford has looked good so far. As good as he has looked in his best games over the last couple of years.
To me it’s as if he time travelled straight from the Carolina game, just before the injury.
Here btw is a vid of Bradford’s 2nd drive, the entire thing: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/vid-rams-2nd-drive-v-gb-816/
znModeratorI saw it watching NFL Network when they switched back to the St Louis feed.
They have a highlight of it at espn. Late in the vid.
August 16, 2014 at 11:06 pm in reply to: Fisher; Bradford; Long; Stacy; Joyner – transcripts & vids, 8/16 #4157
znModeratorKendricks interview
Bradford vid (same as transcript above)
Fisher
August 16, 2014 at 11:02 pm in reply to: vids: including Rams entire 2nd drive v. GB, & a couple of highlights #4156
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znModeratorRegarding A. Donald ; I am not sure if it was an experiment, bet they had Donald lined up between the Center and Left Guard on almost every play of the Packers first 2 drives. He essentially was playing Nose Tackle. He was being double teamed by the Center and LG on almost every play. And, next to him, they had Langford playing in the 3-Tech. Langford was singled up on the RG on most plays and didn’t do much. I don’t know why they did this. I thought they should have had LAngford tieing up the C & LG and let Donald go against the single blocker (RG).
Looks like they deliberately did nothing with him and just put him at NG in place of Brockers. Let him sweat out his snaps the hard way.
znModeratorStill watching, but did m Sam play at all?
Yes. Got a sack. But they dropped the feed when switching from the St. Louis to the Green Bay broadcast, I think, and didn’t show it. I heard it discussed.
znModeratorThe question might better be “Can the Rams keep Barksdale after this season.” “Assuming that he isn’t injured and keeps playing well if not better…” I am sure that the Rams would want to keep him around for more years. A bird in the hand is worth more than one in the bush. But the real question is at what price? Barksdale will be a free agent after this year. How much will other teams be willing to pay Barksdale? Will that be more than the Rams will be willing to pay him. Demoff will set a price for Barksdale. If he wants or can get more than that the Rams will let him go.
My view is, unless they lose Long, having up to possibly 4 2nd-or-more contract guys on the same OL is a lot to ask.
With the current starters, Robinson is good for 10 years, Saffold should be good for another 5 or so and is they resign Barksdale he would be good for another 6 or so years. Wells is nearing the end of his career (maybe next year) and Long could have from 2 to 4 years left. That would be a good mix and would allow the Rams time to draft and develop replacements. I really hope that if Barksdale does well this year that the Rams could retain him.
My whole take on this comes from the idea that OL continuity as we used to know it in the 70s and 80s died with free agency and the cap. According to Pasquerelli, teams change starting O-linemen on the avg. of 1.7 a year or at least 3 every 2 years. It becomes cap prohibitive to put that much in terms of cap resources into one unit.
Would Barksdale command a lot on the market? Would he take a Hayes-style lesser deal just to be a Ram? I dunno, but I do know that Boudreau linemen are sought after on the market (see Wms and Smith).
I also know that ROT is easier to replace than LOT.
I see teams these days as keeping 2, MAYBE 3 core linemen and then constantly looking for replacements for the others. So you need an OL coach who can develop them, and who can coach them to be flexible. I think the Rams 2 core linemen for the next few years will be Robinson and Saffold. I see Long, Wells, and Barksdale all dropping off one by one as the next couple of years go by, and having to be replaced.
znModeratorThanks ag.
But, it’s done. We have a chat room.
Thanks to RM.
znModeratorESPN’s Jane McManus reports that the NFL is expected to toughen its standards on domestic violence.
Hmmm. Hard to feel much conviction that they’ll actually do much, but they damn well should.
I can see disciplining performance enhancing drugs, but recreational drugs should be a non-issue for the league unless there are prosecutions and/or convictions.
Meanwhile, they should come down very hard on DUI and domestic violence. The football culture teaches guys to think of women as conveniences, and the league should try to be in the lead in changing that.
A player who beats his wife or girlfriend should be out for half a season at least. Make him feel some sense of consequences.
There;s more on that in the most recent post in this thread.
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ray-rice-2-games/page/2/#post-4032
August 16, 2014 at 10:31 am in reply to: Torry Holt: Tavon Austin’s Biggest Impact Will be on Special Teams #4115
znModeratorand also to add to that. i don’t expect tavon to become more physical this year. to be able to break tackles and be a complete route runner capable of taking on physical cornerbacks.
but i do expect him to become a better route runner. to have more confidence. to think less. and more than anything else to have better hands. those things alone should be enough to make him a significant contributor.
i’m hoping for around 65 catches 700 yards receiving. 30 rushes 300 yards rushing. that combined with punt returns could provide the rams with some explosiveness.
last year he had 569 yards from scrimmage over 13 games. projected to a 16 game season that is 700 yards. so i think 700 receiving and 300 rushing is a realistic goal from year 1 to year 2.
Okay that’s how I see it too, generally speaking.
My own view of this is that TH was just remarking on things he saw Austin doing in camp practices. But, my intuition is that they won’t be using Austin during the season the way they do in camp practices, and that at the same time they are not going to show those plays during camp. I think they will integrate Austin lots of different ways but that it will be gameplan specific, game by game, and not something an observer will see during the summer.
And besides, I have no problem with him being a combined yards weapon and not, strictly speaking, a receiver per se.
Last year he was clearly held back by rookie head-swimming syndrome. I don’t think it had anything to do with Schott. There’s 2 ways to approach that issue. McD just had rookies go out and do what he drew up, regardless. That led to 2 of the surest hands on the team–Kendricks and Pettis–being confused, overthinking rookies with the dropsies. (In fact, so much so, that to this day a few don’t even realize Kendricks is surehanded. That’s how strong an impression his rookie confusions left in some minds.) Or there’s the Schott way, which is don’t ask them to do it if they can’t. If that’s all true (as I think it is) then Schott will be using Austin in more ways this year.
I see over and over, people saying, Schott had to figure Austin out. I doubt that, personally. Well no wait. I am sure that’s true to an extent, but not how the critics are presenting it–as something more than the ordinary. But in principle Schott would be no different in that regard than any other coordinator with a new, head-swimming player. If anything, Schott already had a near-Austin type in New York–Leon Washington. Washington was a back who returned kicks and caught passes, while Austin is a receiver who runs out of the backfield and returns kicks, so they are cousin species. Either way Washington was a multi-purpose weapons guy and heavier than Austin, but still there were similarities, and Schott found all sorts of ways to use Washington. So none of this was extremely new. So to me, it was never a problem of Schott figuring Austin out (that is more than the usual figuring a rookie out thing), it was more of a problem of yet another rookie (almost)receiver struggling SO Schott’s solution was to limit what he did, at first. (Especially since Schott’s offense depends a lot on sight adjustments, and most rookie skill players don’t arrive in the NFL already capable of reading defenses well enough to be comfortable with that.)
Anyway the combined yards thing is fine with me. Even with rookie syndrome and 3 missed games, Austin had 1246 combined yards (or so…that’s from memory), which was on pace for 1530 something.
And, I am more than okay with that.
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znModeratorFrom “The Takeaway: Green Bay Packers vs. Tennessee Titans”
Strong first showing for new look offensive line
Mike McCarthy’s proclamation that the 2014 offensive line could be the best of his Green Bay tenure is looking good so far.
The Packers already knew what to expect from the guard tandem of Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang, and after starting 16 games as a rookie David Bakhtiari appears primed to take a jump in performance as well. The only question marks hovered over oft-injured right tackle Bryan Bulaga and new starting center JC Tretter.
Saturday’s game marked Bulaga’s first non-intrasquad game since November 4, 2012. In the roughly 21 months since, the offensive lineman has endured a significant hip injury as well as a torn ACL. Other than the bulky brace on his left knee, Bulaga looked like the same player who dominated at right tackle in 2011 and ’12. In the three runs to Bulaga’s side, the Packers accrued 18 yards.
JC Tretter, the offensive line’s newest addition, also had a strong 2014 debut. Like Bulaga, Tretter’s last true live snaps came back in November 2012. However, Tretter’s appearance Saturday was his first at center, a position he hadn’t played until coming off the physically unable to perform list midway through last season. Tretter seemed to create a push on nearly every snap with the starting unit. He also landed one of the key second-level blocks on James Starks’ 20-yard touchdown gallop that put the Packers ahead 7-0.
It’s worth noting that the Titans are in the midst of a transition to a 3-4 defense and are experience growing pains because of it. It’s also true that the Packers’ offense only attempted one pass before pulling most of the starters, making it impossible to evaluate the pass protection. That said, Green Bay has to be encouraged by the early returns from its new look offensive line. If the group follows the Tennessee game with another strong performance, they’re going to make their head coach look very smart.
The offensive backfield is already looking crowded
Eddie Lacy spent Saturday night on the sidelines and James Starks was pulled after the opening series, but the Packers have to like what they saw out of their running back depth. DuJuan Harris opened the game with a 40-yard kickoff return. Add in a nifty 11-yard run behind the No. 2 offensive line, and it appears Harris has reclaimed the form that earned him so much praise following the 2012 season. Rajion Neal came into the game with considerably less fanfare, but the undrafted rookie amassed 39 yards on only five carries including a 12-yard touchdown run. Though he left the game with an undisclosed injury, the 5-11 220 lbs. Neal fits the mold of a Packers ball carrier.
Counting fullback, the Packers may retain as few as four backs during the final cut down. With John Kuhn and the aforementioned Lacy and Starks taking up three of those jobs, Harris and Neal find themselves in a heated competition for a roster spot.
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Rodgers didn’t play last week but they could run:


znModeratora media report from off the net
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I heard D. Jeremiah say recently that with the new rules its virtually impossible to defend certain routes and passes, like the back shoulder fade. All you need is an accurate QB, good pass protection and a decent WR and you offense can’t be stopped.
It appears that the only recourse a defense has now is not to let the QB make accurate throws by either getting tremendous pressure or knocking him out of the game somehow. I wonder how that will affect defenses that have better secondaries than DLs. You’d think they will have a harder time.
znModeratorI sat on the Egyptian/Israeli border, half the time on a base camp and half the time on two different outposts, for 6 months in 1988 waiting for the stars and stripes edition that provided 3-4 lines of print about each game so I could feed, even that tiniest bit, my craving for Rams information.
And we have a winner.

Where are you stationed now? Or can you say?
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