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znModeratorzn wrote:
Impossible to tell
just watching live, WV.Maybe Undead-ram
will know.Anyway, do you think the Rams
will win the Super Bowl now?w
vI think they already have.
BTW our question about Barron got answered in another thread:
Nick Wagoner @nwagoner
In the new additions category: Mark Barron played 7 snaps and Damian Williams played five, all on special teams for both..
znModeratorImpossible to tell just watching live, WV.
They say he got a few snaps on special teams.
znModeratorKap is still a “one read and run” QB.
It’s funny isn’t it that Alex Smith is programmed to perform well against the Rams D and Kap isn’t.
znModeratorQB discussion generates a lot of heat.
But anyway, yesterday I was calling for Hill.
znModeratorRams defense — best game in a while, in spite of the adventure at cornerback.
Some stuff:
When Hayes went out, since Westrooks was not active, they were down to Quinn and Sims as they’re only 2 DEs…who played the rest of the game by themselves.
9ers were 3-12 on 3rd downs.
CK was sacked 8 times and their YPA was held to 4.5.
9ers were held to 263 total yards and in spite of keeping the ball for 32:26 scored just 10 points.
9ers lost 2 fumbles.
Gore got 49 yards on 14 carries (3.5) and total the 9ers running game averaged 3.8 a carry.
Robert Quinn is credited with defensing one pass.
znModeratorMamaRama re-formatted this, which is why it could be copied & re-posted
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RAMS REPORT CARD – WEEK 8: Rams D-Line excels, other units not so muchMost of the Rams units get bad grades despite their victory over San Francisco.
Quarterback: D
Austin Davis had a few good moments in San Francisco, including his 21-yard TD pass to Kenny Britt breaking wide over the middle of the field. But Davis suffered two ugly interceptions rolling to his right and finished just 13 for 24 for 105 yards and a 44.6 passer rating. His epic struggle forced the Rams to become timid offensively. But unlike 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, he didn’t turn the ball over late.Running Back: C
Speedy rookie Tre Mason emerged as the feature back, but aside from a 21-yard run he struggled. His other 18 carries netted just 44 yards and his only catch went for an eight-yard loss. Benny Cunningham didn’t run well (10 yards on four carries), but he did catch three passes for 38 yards when the Rams were desperate for positive yardage. Rookie Trey Watts had a nice little catch coming out of the backfield and former starter Zac Stacy did, well, nothing.Wide Receivers: C
Aside from Britt’s TD catch, this group did almost nothing during this feckless offensive performance. Tavon Austin’s four touches (two runs, two receptions) earned a grand total of 18 yards—although he did make a nice catch for a critical late first down. Davis targeted his WRs just 10 times in this game. Brian Quick is missed.Tight Ends: D
Lance Kendricks broke free for what would have been the game-clinching TD late in the fourth quarter, but the Rams didn’t pass block and Davis had to throw away his play-action pass. Davis targeted the trio of Kendricks, Jared Cook and Cory Harkey eight times and got just three completions for 19 yards. The TEs had a less-than-memorable blocking performance, too.Offensive Line: D
LT Greg Robinson and C Scott Wells each earned costly holding penalties on running plays. The unit suffered some breakdowns in protection—forcing Davis to take off and/or throw balls away—and it failed to muster a consistent push in the running game. When the Rams needed to control the ball and eat clock, they couldn’t.Defensive Line: A+
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Sack City! The major, DE Robert Quinn, finally cut the ribbon and put the line in business for real. Quinn had two sacks, including one that forced a fumble. Des William Hayes and Eugene Sims earned sacks, as did DTs Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers. Kaepernick went down eight times and became skittish as a result. Oh, and the defensive front finally throttled RB Frank Gore, too.Linebackers: A
The game ended with MLB James Laurinaitis holding the football in the Rams end zone. How he got it was a bit murky, but it was a fitting (though chaotic) ending to a defensive-oriented game. Laurinaitis also had a sack. Accident-prone OLB Alec Ogletree had one really nice good pass defense and got through the game without making a gigantic mistake.Secondary: C
It got scary at the end when CB Trumaine Johnson was forced to hang on for dear life in the final moments of the game. But it’s better to be called for pass interference and holding penalties than to give up TDs—as rookie CB Marcus Roberson did when he turned Anquan Boldin loose for a 27-yard scoring catch. This game was another learning experience for the young CBs.Special Teams: B
There was some high comedy, such as Daren Bates’ spectacular penalty for hurdling the line before the snap while going for a kick block. And Tavon Austin nearly finished the first half with a safety, running out of the end zone with a missed field goal try… and then running back into it to get tackled. But P Johnny Hekker was as good as always and PK Greg Zuerlein bounced back with two field goals, including the game-winner.Coaching: A
It seems the 49ers have a terrible offensive line. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams exploited that weakness while hitting on a lot of his blitz calls. He kept dialing up pressure until the end, leaving his CBs to fend for themselves a lot. It almost backfired. But it didn’t—and the Rams learned a monstrous road victory despite getting almost nothing from their offense. This wasn’t a season-saving victory, but the upset made a strong case for staying the current course.znModeratorCoachO
The Offensive line isn’t as bad as Davis is making them look. He bails at the first sign of pressure, real or imagined. When he takes a 3 or 5 step drop, and has time to set his feet, which he does regularly, he has time to get the ball out “on time”. The issue is, he then doesn’t see where to go, and starts running without seeing the field.
I am not saying that this oline is the second coming of the old Cardiac Cards Oline, (the days of Dierdorf, Dobler, Banks and co.), but IMO, when the QB doesn’t get the ball out on time, it makes the blocking seem a whole lot worse than it is. There was one throw today where I actually thought Davis was decisive, and got the ball out on time, and to the right receiver. It was right after he missed a play, and he came back and completed a 3rd down pass to Cook. I actually thought it was Hill at first, because it was so unlike Davis.
If he would get rid of the ball, much the same way teams have been doing to our dline for much of the first 7 games, then we aren’t talking about how bad the line is. But he just hasn’t shown the ability to do it consistently
He routinely has open receivers, but because he is too busy “keeping the play alive” he doesn’t see them, he cuts the field in half and more often than not, it results in a bad play, or at the very least, a wasted down by throwing it away.
It’s about coaching him to be more careful with the football. That has always been Fisher’s MO, and I for one, agree with it. For every highlight play Davis may make, he usually ends up with 3 negative plays to go along with it. Again, in his 7 1/2 games, there have been THREE he has thrown < 30 passes in. Care to guess which 3 games the Rams have won?
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I loved that the Rams didn’t give up. All kinds of bad things happened, and they kept fighting
Two early picks of Davis
The gift TD to Boldin by Roberson
The “forward momentum stopped” fumble that should have been a Rams TD by Laurinaitis.
The Tavon Austin punt return TD that was called back
A few (?) first downs to given to 49ers on Rams D penalties when they would have been stopped (why don’t they ever give those calls to the Rams O?!? Like.. EVER?)
Defense on the field like all day! (from ineffective offense)
Obvious unnecessary roughness suplex body slam by Borland in a critical situation, not called. C’mon guys, are you going to enforce the rules or not??
Deep pass interference on Tru Jo followed by the defensive holding on Tru Jo
This was the kind of grit it out win we’ve been wanting from the Rams and just haven’t gotten.
znModeratorso. what do people think of robinson’s performance today?
I really didn’t focus on it. So I got zip.
What did you think?
znModeratorHacksaw
WHAT 49er FANS ARE SAYING
Yorks are laughing their fat a**es all the way to the bank with this awful team. Shame!!!
Stop. He was awful. The line was awful but it’s not like he was making the best out of a bad situation. He was absolutely terrible. Gregg Williams took advantage of Kap’s nonexistent football iq.
f**k this stupid worthless a** team
Dude, don’t blame the refs. We suck, you saw it for your own eyes. Don’t blame the others
Not been a 49ers fan long, this is the worst feeling, so many things wrong today, but the way it finished was cruel. If we lost the game in our own half I would have been gutted, but this is devastating.
Stop blaming the refs. The coaching staff and QB have gone down the toilet.
Good lord kaepernick is terrible!
Lol.not this year boys
Nice CB play. Why can’t Culliver cover like that?
refs suck
Wow NFL really does hate us.
Escaping with a win. Pretty lucky!
Seriously? kap sucks.
Kap ruined it. Wow.Please fire Greg Roman. Horrible play calling!
Kap ruined it. Wow. Something about the dude just says “loser”. he can’t get it done.
im done with football
Please fire Greg Roman. Horrible play calling!
HE DIDNT FUMBLE THE BALL JESUS. Roman isn’t that good but come on
It’s not like we signed Kaep to 18 per year, so we’re all good. Oh wait…
Yeah. No idea how that was called on the field but Kap did fumble so oh well.
Because a ram came out of the pile with the ballI don’t argue that at all. I do believe, though, that he is NOT a franchise QB, and the search must be on.
As a football fan for 28 years I’m at a point that I might be done with football.
I just canceled Redzone and won’t by any NFL merchandise again until they get refs that know what they are doing.
Wow. Now terrible defense. This is f****** horrible.
We can’t even dominate the freakin Rams at home. This team annoys me
Trey Mason looks like a steal.
znModeratorWOW GREAT GAME DEFENSE!
defense. What a tremendous performance.
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Rams Win!!!!!!!!!
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WOOHOO!!!
I really feel sorry for the 49er fans, losing that way. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
znModeratorDoes anyone know why the Rams don’t run screen plays?
A fair question.
I think it’s because the Rams are above all that merely obvious stuff.
Kidding.
I dunno.
znModeratorzn wrote:
Hey, TD, don’t use language like that okay? It’s just not what we’re about here. We’re a community with lots of guys, lots of views, and they’re all good people. I don’t begrudge you your view of the team, or the desire to bail when the criticism gets thick. But no name-calling. Fair enough?Actually, I did not call anybody names. I was talking about future events for which I cannot know who will be an offender. But I still don’t intend to view that sort of ****. I just think very poorly of such **** people. I consider their intelligence level to be very low.
BTW: I expected that “turd” would be blanked out. I really didn’t expect it to appear since **** is blanked out.
We don’t want name-calling. Not for a person or some stated category or persons that post here. The rule:
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/board-rules-policies/
avoid, in tone and language, being antagonistic, confrontational, or argumentative.
Name-calling types of people who show up in the chat or on the board who are, in your opinion, too negative, fits that rule.
I respect your opinions and look forward to seeing you in the chat, but, folks here shouldn’t get into certain kinds of more name-cally posts. No big deal, it’s just a thing I have to comment on given the letter and spirit of the rule.
I will see you in the chat, and go Rams.
znModerator<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>
How many of the starters in Arz were there before Arians?
Pretty much their entire defense, right?
The defense that started against Phil avgs. 5-6 years experience. Maybe more like 7.
Rams D avgs. 3 or so.Stuff like that matters IMO.
I dunno. Three years seems like
enough time to build a defense to me.
Especially when you start off with
Quinn and Long and Laurinaitis.I do think youth is a big factor,
but some coaching and personnel decisions
have also been factors. They went
with Dunbar, Finnegan, JJ, Ogletree, Greg Williams, etc.
I dunno if those were the right choices
anymore.w
vOkay, but, these things can take twists and turns. For one, I would absolutely expect a veteran good defense (like in SF or ARZ) to do better…it would be surprising if they didn’t do better. So what are the twists and turns? You suggest coaching, which is always an obvious culprit. I don’t see coaching as the culprit though. This team makes monumental game-killing errors, and then gets into a funk. That’s not coaching, that’s execution. So why did execution collapse this year? I think there are a lot of reasons but they’re all of the kind that afflict young teams, not veteran established teams.
znModeratorBut I will bail again if some turd starts in about how bad the Rams are and doesn’t post anything related to today’s game.
Hey, TD, don’t use language like that okay? It’s just not what we’re about here. We’re a community with lots of guys, lots of views, and they’re all good people. I don’t begrudge you your view of the team, or the desire to bail when the criticism gets thick. But no name-calling. Fair enough?
znModeratorI dunno guys. I dunno.
I look at that Bruce Arians team,
and i wonder why the Rams dont look
that good. Its been three years.w
vHow many of the starters in Arz were there before Arians?
Pretty much their entire defense, right?
The defense that started against Phil avgs. 5-6 years experience. Maybe more like 7.
Rams D avgs. 3 or so.
Stuff like that matters IMO.
znModeratorKeep us updated.
Though to be fair, Mr. Dick is Mr. Dick. He’s an individual. I know people who came from catholic schools who do not have his issues.
I went to a jesuit prep school myself. So I think that factor has less explanatory weight than you seem to be giving it.
znModeratori will be entering the field of jeans today as the enemy.
Enjoy.
znModeratori will be entering the field of jeans today as the enemy.
Enjoy.
znModeratorImmediately after the Kansas City game, quarterback Austin Davis said he thought the Chiefs took some things away in the second half. But after he studied the film over the next day or two, he came to the conclusion that that wasn’t really the case.
“I think in watching the tape, they don’t take as much away as you think they do,” Davis said. “I felt at times that I’ve gotten kind of thrown off a little bit and missed some things. They cover one thing, then all of a sudden you think they’re covering everything but they’re really not.
“We’re getting guys open; the run game’s been good. We’ve just got to stay the course and continue to do what we do.”
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Interesting stuff.
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znModeratorIs it true the Donald is not playing?
We don’t know yet but he probably isn’t. He has a shoulder issue. He is listed as questionable. That probably means he’s not playing, but he hasn’t been officially ruled out yet.
znModeratorI have watched all the games this year.The game that I found so difficult to watch was the KC game.After the KO return I just walked out of the room and didn’t watch the rest of the game.
A lot of people say they don’t sit through blow-outs. I am the same. I go in and out…I will leave and do chores and come back or vacuum the room where the game is on etc. That kind of thing. I will turn every game on at the start and sit through close ones, but when it;s a blow-out I allow myself to get distracted.
It’s not the score. I don’t like watching the team when it has lost heart.
Margo is our tivo monitor, meaning, she’s the one who now and then says “should I delete this?” She keeps her eye on the “free” percentage…how much space is left on tivo. Over the years, when it’s a blow-out, she knows to ask. “That was a blow-out, right? Should I delete it?” And I will sound reluctant but still say “yeah…I guess….”
November 1, 2014 at 5:03 pm in reply to: Rams Restructure Jared Cook's Contract to gain some space #10976znModeratorThe restructuring of Cook’s contract involved converting $1.2 million of base salary to a signing (or prorated) bonus.
In case this needs reiteration…this kind of thing right here, is why the Rams are never REALLY tight against the cap…even when they look like they are.
They frontload. A lot of the frontloading is salary plus roster bonuses. Any time they want to, however, all they have to do is convert a bit of that to a signing bonus. So all they have to do is reduce the cap by the little bit that they need.
Whenever people think they LOOK tight against the cap, then, guess again. This is all deliberate policy. Any time they want, they can tweak their way out of any cap issue.
znModeratori know. just joking. but moving forward. i’m looking for improvement from robinson, bailey, austin, mason, davis, donald, brockers, ogletree, gaines, mcdonald…
also we got barron now. so excited to see what he looks like.
I have to say, there’s more of THAT (interesting promising players) this bad season, than in previous bad seasons.
znModeratorwell i will look for any kind of improvement. anything would do. really. anything. even if it just means zuerlein actually making his field goals.
or losing by less points…
IMO there’s improvement and promising players showing through. It’s just not adding up to a coherent whole yet.
So…for example…Donald, Robinson, Quick, Mason. Britt. Cook got better. Barksdale. Gaines.
There’s some stuff. Scattered around.
November 1, 2014 at 9:50 am in reply to: Bernie: Another Rams coaching change not a good idea #10956znModeratorGreg Williams Guinta-fied the defense.
Just to be extry extry clear…to “Guinta-fy” means to make it more complicated. That’s what Giunta did in 2000 after the defense played well in 99. He complexified it, and the same players were kind of lost in it.
I also think Brockers either still has the ankle injury going or losing weight hurt him or both.
Plus I think this young defense bought a lot of its own press in the off-season and lost an edge. So they went from being way too chippy in 2013 to being hangdog every time they make a huge mistake in 2014.
November 1, 2014 at 8:44 am in reply to: Bernie: Another Rams coaching change not a good idea #10946znModeratorBut did Fisher inherit a mess? The team seems to be exactly what it was when he took it over…..a .500 team with massive injuries and an Ill timed coordinater change with a massively bad impact…..he has built the team to that exact point it was when he took it over.
I don’t agree with that. For one, injuries are not the fault of the “builder.” If you mean they are still losing, well yeah. But then, you can have a good team (in terms of overall talent) that has a bad year. Depends on the reasons. In terms of the talent level…Spags inherited nothing. Just plain zip. Fisher inherited what Spags added and then added to that.
I just think this team had its heart taken out when they lost Bradford AGAIN and if you go back to when it happened, everyone was saying they expected a lot from him this year.
To me the big story of 2014 is making huge unbelievable mistakes and then collapsing in their aftermath. To me more than anything, this is the “psych 101 season.” When you watch them you can see them lose momentum.
At the same time, if you cancelled the 2014 Rams and let all their players go, there would be a long list of them who would get picked up by other teams. That’s not as true of the 2011 team.
Jenkins is a good example of this. Jenkins played well this year…but people remember the one big boneheaded, (as it turns out) game-costing error. And. Now he’s hurt.
In terms of the future, look at Robinson and Donald. You know what Greg Cosell said about Robinson? He wasn’t as pro ready as Matthews, but that once he got up to speed as a pro player, he would be in the conversation for the best tackles to ever play the game. Not best in the 2014 draft class, one of the best ever.
So I am frustrated by 2014, but I also see that 2014 is as talented a team as we have seen for years. They’re also massively mistake prone and easily put into a funk by those mistakes. That’s all (to me) a confidence thing.
And I actually agree with some of Miklasz’s points:
I do think Fisher’s program should be further along by now, and I won’t defend him on that. I haven’t hesitated to criticize Fisher. But some reconstruction projects take longer than others. Especially when the roster has been torn up by injuries.
• Stability — and giving Fisher a chance at a fourth season — is preferable to another regime change, and another roster turnover, and another round of chaos. Fisher is the team’s third head coach since 2006
6th, actually, if you go back to 2005 and count Martz plus count 2 interim coaches (Vitt and Haslett).
znModeratorMost of the internet sites seem to be riddled with pop up ads that never stop and are considered a risk to my computer that I am not willing to take.
Fwiw, if you sift through this thread, people have found how to evade those risks. Up to you of course.
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/who-knows-how-internet-tv-works-this-year/
znModeratorRamBill
Rams rookie Greg Robinson talks with Casey Phillips about preparing to start at left tackle.
http://www.rams-news.com/rams-ot-greg-robinson-im-working-on-getting-my-kick-back-video/
znModeratorCornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee) was the only player not practicing on Friday.
znModeratorRams appear healthier than expected for Niners
By Joe Lyons
The Rams split Friday’s practice at Rams Park, starting with a walk-through outside before moving inside due to heavy winds. The majority of the workout was indoors.
The team, which made 18 roster moves early in the week to deal with injuries, seemed to get healthier through the week as it prepared for Sunday’s 3:05 p.m. game against the 49ers at Levi’s Stadium.
Cornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee) was the only player not practicing on Friday. Jenkins, a third-year starter, was hurt in the victory over Seattle but returned to finish the game. He sat out last weekend’s game in Kansas City and did not practice at all this this week. He’s listed as questionable, as were safety Rodney McLeod (knee), linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar (toe) and Aaron Donald (shoulder).
All were limited in practice Friday.
“I can’t say with precision who could play right now and who can’t,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said following Thursday’s workout. “We may even have some pregame warm-up decisions early Sunday.”
Listed as probable after going through full workouts on Friday were defensive end William Hayes (foot), guard Rodger Saffold (shoulder), centers Scott Wells (elbow) and Tim Barnes (shoulder), wide receiver Kenny Britt (hip), safety Cody Davis (concussion), defensive back Lamarcus Joyner (hip) and cornerbacks Marcus Roberson (ankle) and Trumaine Johnson (knee).
It appears Johnson, a third-year pro and a returning starter, could be in line for his first action of the season. He suffered a sprained MCL early in the Rams’ preseason win over the Browns in Cleveland on Aug. 23.
And it’s possible the starting offensive line against the 49ers could be without just one starter _ left tackle Jake Long.
For San Francisco, which is coming off its bye week, linebacker Patrick Willis (toe) and cornerback Tramaine Brock (toe) were limited on Friday and listed questionable while safety Jimmie Ward (quadriceps) and cornerback Chris Culliver (hamstring) are probable after going through full workouts on Friday.
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