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    vegas has deemed the cards 7 point home favorites vs the rams this weekend. last weekend vegas deemed the niners 10.5 home favorites vs the rams. and a few weeks ago seattle was tabbed 7 point favorites @ the rams. in fact this weekend will mark the 8th straight time the rams have been named gameday dogs, ever since opening day when the rams were 3.5 home favorites vs the vikes.

    anyway the cards haven’t exactly manhandled opponents this season despite their 7-1 record, games have been close after 3 quarters. in fact the cards have trailed after 3 quarters in half the games they’ve played, and have led by a td or more just once after 3 quarters, against the hapless raiders.

    however the 4th quarter has been a different story for the cards, that’s when they’ve shined. minus their only loss to the broncos the cards have outscored every opponent they’ve faced in the 4th quarter, to the tune of 70-17, while blanking half of them. all told, arizona’s 4th quarter point differential of +36 is the league’s second best, behind the 5-3 chiefs who are at +37. this might not bode too well for the rams who rank 26th in 4th quarter score margin with a -19 point differential.

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    Rams run defense, last x games.

    Phil 33 – 145
    SF 30 – 89
    Seattle 29 – 171
    KC 33 – 140
    SF 21 – 80

    ttl 146 – 625

    4.28 YPC: 21st in the league…so, no longer 26th in the league x

    125 yards per game: 25th in the league…so, no longer 29th in the league x

    in reply to: B.Arians on confidence #11302
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    For a young defense to do as much as they do, you don’t see it very often. If you do see it, typically you see blown coverages and guys running wide open.

    It’s funny. He is describing the Rams defense while denying he is. Yes it is young, yes it does a lot, and yes you see blown coverages and guys running wide open…which he kind of acted like you DON’T see when we know you do.

    It’s interesting what he nails down here. Young defense doing a lot, usually you don’t see that, usually when you see that they make big mistakes.

    Exactly… Mr. Bruce “The Coy” Arians.

    in reply to: Can Davis rebound #11296
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    And yet there are people who think Austin Davis has reached his ceiling. That he cannot improve.

    That’s because, TD, different people look at this differently, and therefore compare their different views.

    Why is it possible to imagine that he will not improve? Because the VAST majority of qbs drafted after round 3 don’t…no matter how well they started out. That’s just the nature of the league. I can’t do the numbers on UDFAs, but I just did the numbers on qbs drafted after round 3 from 2003-2012, and of all the qbs taken, only 4% ever even ended up becoming consistent journeymen types (it’s Orton, Cassel, and Fitzpatrick). Does the occassional Warner or Bulger or Trent Green come along? Sure, but it’s rare. Like..VERY rare.

    And it’s not just that realistic odds are against him. I see him as declining in how he plays, so that any statistical averages mashing the earlier games in with the recent games strike me as hiding more than they reveal. I think AVERAGE season numbers on him disguise the fact that RECENT numbers on him are very bad.

    And most importantly, my skepticism is based on what I see in his play. He has me very much doubting him. There are a set of “either he has it or he doesn’t” characteristics I look for in qbs, and he is starting to look like he has a list of “doesn’t”s.

    And. You approach the whole thing differently. You see and count different things. Cool.

    So we create neutral zones like this where different opinions are welcome and the fact that people see it entirely differently is just part of good discussion.

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    i think he’s got the physical skills. i think at this point it’s just learning the position. if he can continue to grow into the position he’ll be fine. if not then rams are looking for a new qb.

    I try to be as objective as I can in my first post in this thread.

    BUt this is a complicated issue and I have mixed feelings.

    Personally, I don’t like the idea of this season becoming the “see if Davis can play project.”

    I am very “win now.” They have the future in which to figure out the future. Or to put that more narrowly, they have the off-season to figure out the next season.

    If it were me and he falters again, I would just start Hill. I wouldn;t even hesitate.

    From what I saw of Hill in this offense, he can play, and his strengths as a qb are pretty much the opposite of Davis’s weaknesses.

    It is fair and realistic, I think, to ask if AD can rebound.

    But. My “win now” attitude also has me wary of that. So he doesn’t have too long to prove he can, in my book.

    in reply to: predictions: Rams at Arizona #11263
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    I think this gets down to confidence again.

    Davis made a couple of huge mistakes in the SF game, but the Rams didn’t fold this time like they did with huge mistakes by other players against other teams. That’s IMO because the team believes it’s always “in it” with a West opponent.

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    Rams’ offensive line regrouped against 49ers

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot…cle_d2c60e72-0b41-537b-a0c1-f1d2e265540c.html

    On a day when the Rams’ defense registered its highest sack total in more than two seasons, dropping San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick eight times, coach Jeff Fisher didn’t award a game ball to the front four. Or even any of the six players who combined for those eight sacks.

    No, in the visitors’ locker room at Levi’s Stadium following Sunday’s 13-10 upset victory over San Francisco, Fisher presented the game ball to …

    The offensive line.

    “Just because of what they endured last week,” Fisher explained. “With the changes that took place in the Kansas City game, the fact that we weren’t quite sure as to who was going to be able to come back. … They all came back from last week.”

    After getting flattened in the second half of a 34-7 drubbing by the Chiefs Oct. 26, the offensive line looked decimated. Left tackle Jake Long was lost for the season with a torn ACL in his right knee.

    Center Scott Wells suffered an elbow injury in his right (or snapping) arm, and offensive guard Rodger Saffold suffered yet another shoulder injury.

    “Scott didn’t even snap in the walk-through on Wednesday,” Fisher said. “The first day he snapped was Friday.

    “For Rodger to come back after subluxing the shoulder and playing the way he played (against San Francisco). And then going from whatever number sack total we had at Kansas City to just one, I thought it was a great effort.”

    The Rams yielded a season-high seven sacks against the Chiefs at Arrowhead.

    A shoulder subluxation is a temporary, partial dislocation of the shoulder joint. Saffold will try to get through this season, but may need surgery at the conclusion of the season.

    Fisher said he didn’t get an idea that Wells and Saffold could play until Friday of last week.

    “Then, when we traveled (to San Francisco) and we got treatments at the hotel done, we had a pretty good sense that they were going to be able to go,” Fisher said.

    Besides the uncertainty over the availability of Wells and Saffold, rookie Greg Robinson made his first NFL start at left tackle, and Davin Joseph came off the bench to start for the first time since Game 4 at Philadelphia at right guard.

    All against the league’s second-ranked defense, on the road.

    “They have an excellent defense and that’s a good football team,” Wells said. “So we just tried to take it one play at a time and not make the game bigger than it was. Try to go out there and execute each play as it was called. And learn from the mistakes moving forward to the next play.”

    By the numbers, the offensive results were anything but gaudy: 13 points, 193 yards gained, and 3.4 yards a carry on the ground. But the running game was effective enough to help keep the 49ers’ defense honest. And for the most part, quarterback Austin Davis was kept clean.

    “It’s nice to find a way to win,” Wells said. “It wasn’t pretty. A lot of room for improvement obviously. But to claw and scratch and bite and do whatever we had to do come away with the win, it was huge.”

    That’s right, he said, bite.

    The game-ball gesture by Fisher was much appreciated by the O-line.

    “It’s definitely nice to be able to achieve something like that, and be recognized by Coach for our efforts,” Wells said. “But again, I know there’s a lot of room for improvement. We’re gonna hit that film hard and make the necessary corrections moving forward.”

    The challenge gets no easier this week, with a road game Sunday against Arizona, which at 7-1 has the best record in the league and ranks third in the NFL in rushing defense.

    As for Robinson, his first start at left tackle was relatively uneventful, which is always good news for an offensive lineman.

    “Greg did a nice job out there,” Fisher said. “We struggled at times with some pass-rush ‘games’ (by the 49ers), but most of those things took place on the other side. Greg, for the most part, was what we expected out of him against that defense.”

    Although he didn’t run into the 49ers’ five-time Pro Bowler, Justin Smith, as much as he did when starting at left guard on Oct. 13, Robinson and Smith still ran into each other on several occasions Sunday. Robinson more than held his own.

    There were a few hiccups. For example, San Francisco linebacker Dan Skuta got past Robinson with an inside move to hit Davis late in the opening quarter. But there was no sack; the play resulted in an incomplete pass and the Rams settled for a Greg Zuerlein field goal and their first points of the day three plays later.

    And early in the second quarter, Robinson was called for holding on a drive that ended one play later on Davis’ second interception. But overall, it was a good day for Robinson.

    There was another unexpected bonus from Robinson after that Davis deep ball was picked off by Perrish Cox. Namely, Robinson brought Cox to the ground on the interception return. He did the same after a Ron Parker interception in Kansas City.

    “He’s shown that he’s an outstanding open-field tackler, unfortunately, for two weeks in a row,” Fisher said, smiling. “I may put him on the kickoff cover team.”

    in reply to: 49er game reactions from off the net #11233
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    aeneas1

    here’s a look at the rams td from last weekend…

    davis does a heckuva job keeping his composure and delivering a strike to britt on the crossing route as justin smith stunted through the middle virtually untouched. it was another one of those niners defensive plays, this time wilhoite crashed down on grob’s blindside in an effort to create a rush lane for smith. saffold followed wilhoite, looks like saffold may have even shoved wilhoite to the ground, leaving the middle wide open for smith to come barreling through, hard to tell if benny was supposed to hang back a bit and help out with pass pro, or a chip at least. speaking of benny, he was wide open as well. anyway, great pitch and catch for a score!

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    here are a few highlights of grob’s play vs the niners, the guy is a beast!

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    and here’s a look at a type of defensive play the niners love to run, crash down on an offensive lineman’s blindside in an effort to create a rush lane for a stunting defender. in this case justin smith, who is lined up on saffold’s inside shoulder, crashes down on grob’s blindside at the snap of the ball, while brooks stunts inside, who wells was ready to pick up:

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    in reply to: If Jones is a player I think this is next year's line #11229
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    PS What made Madam Goldberg do such a turnaround on Ramstalk?

    I really don;t know!

    in reply to: 49er game reactions from off the net #11226
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    jrry32

    I have done this for Bradford in the past and I’ve found that some like it, some don’t. Regardless, I’m going to give you my opinion and break things down to the best of my abilities. You don’t have to agree with my conclusions, please, just keep it respectful. I had expressed the opinion that I believed San Francisco’s defense had not played all that well against us and that I felt Austin Davis had just really struggled but that I would check to see if it could be confirmed on Coach’s Film. I did just that and unfortunately, it was confirmed.(in my mind)

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    This is first and 10 just outside the 20 on a drive that ultimately ends in a FG. A completion here is important because it sets us up with manageable 2nd and 3rd downs. On this play, Austin Davis has a choice to make. The linebacker circled is more or less the guy he’s going to read. If the LB crashes down on the drag route with Kendricks, Davis should throw it to Cook down the seam inside of the safety. If the linebacker drops underneath Cook, Davis should hit Kendricks with the cross for a solid gain. Unfortunately, Davis takes too long to make his decision. If he’s going to hit Kendricks, the ball needs to be out now. If he’s going to hit Cook, he can take his hitch step(which he does) and throw it down the seam. Instead, he takes his hitch step and tries to throw to Kendricks. It’s late and the defender is able to defend the pass.

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    This is the same drive as the first picture but it is now 3rd down and 10. Brian Schottenheimer calls up a brilliant play. They may or many not have flagged us for OPI…that’s up in the air but Stedman Bailey(IIRC) is wide open over the middle because the 49ers brought the house. Davis, though, panics and runs himself right into pressure. The free blitzer was coming off the right side. Cunningham actually does a great job of picking up the blitzer on the left side. Davis has the time to stand tall in the pocket and hit a wide open Bailey over the middle. Instead, he flushes out of the pocket too early and is forced to throw the ball away. This is what you have to do to stop teams from blitzing. You stand tall and deliver the pass over the middle to the open WR. If you bail on the pocket, they’re going to keep coming.

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    This is the interception that Davis threw that led to the 49ers TD. Here’s the frustrating thing, Britt was WIDE OPEN the entire time. He ran a crossing route from the opposite side of the field and nobody covered him. Davis locked onto Austin and never looked Britt’s way. But even getting past that, he still could have completed the pass. Here’s the issue, he has to throw the ball now if he is going to throw the comeback route here. Austin is making his break and Bethea isn’t in position to undercut it. However, Davis holds the ball far too long, Bethea drops back to undercut the route and Davis throws it right to him.

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    Davis’s second interception of the day. Kenny Britt is behind the defender. Davis actually does a great job of escaping the pressure on this play and extending the play. Unfortunately, he makes the right read but throws a duck. The ball comes up 5-7 yards short of Britt and ends up right in the DB’s hands. Britt scores easily if Davis gets the ball there on this pass.

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    This is probably my most questionable play in that it’s a tad nitpicky. As you see here, Kenny Britt has gotten behind the CB and Davis actually has a nice pocket to work in. The safety is playing Britt so Davis is going to have to throw this ball towards the sideline or else there’s a risk that Bethea can make a play on it. Still, I think it’s a risk he should have taken. I wonder if the two earlier interceptions made him a bit gun shy. Instead, Davis tries to take off and runs himself into a sack(this was a 3rd down play)

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    Here’s another third down play(3rd and 11) that did not get completed. Davis does a nice job of escaping the blitz which gets sealed inside by the OL. However, he’s completely indecisive once he gets out of the pocket. He has a choice here, he can either hit Britt down the field(Britt will work his way back to the ball) or he can drop it off short to Cook and see if Cook can pick up the first with YAC. I would have dropped it off to Cook because it’s a safer play and I think Cook can get to the first on this play. However, Davis inexplicably doesn’t pull the trigger on either one. Instead, he holds onto the ball until he is forced to throw it away.

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    Here’s my final play and the Rams final offensive play of the game(not counting the kneel down). It’s 3rd down again. This time, the 49ers bring heavy blitz off the right side of the OL but they also fall for our play-action. Kendricks is left completely uncovered and the 49ers have nobody back to stop him from scoring. However, Davis panics when he sees the blitz and does the worst thing possible. He rolls right into the blitz. He has 3 blockers to pick up the 3 blitzers on that side of the OL. If he stays where he is, he has ample time to get the ball to Kendricks. Or if he’s worried, he can slide to his right and the OL will have enough blockers to account for the blitzers. I don’t know if he misread it or what but instead, he flushes out of the pocket to his right which is exactly where the blitzers are going. He is forced to throw it away.

    Don’t take this as meaning Davis didn’t do anything well in this game. He simply made a lot of mistakes. The 49ers defense made some huge mistakes in this game and Davis just didn’t capitalize on them well. I’m really concerned at his tendency to panic and flush when blitzed. The 49ers gave us multiple opportunities to punish them on blitzes and Davis just didn’t do an effective job of capitalizing.

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    “Yes, he is. I had a coach in the film room show me a couple of weeks back how Laurinaitis got the defense out of a bad look for the play that was called and into a different front that stopped the play. I think he does a lot of that.”
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    A lot of us wonder about JL. He’s not a hard-hitter, he doesn’t
    make big plays that often, sometimes he seems outclassed
    on the field — but there’s always been this meme floating around
    out there that he has a great gameday-football-IQ. JT touches on it here.

    I dunno.

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    It’s not the kind of thing we CAN know about. We have no idea what he does out there. We wouldn’t know if his calls matter or not. But the coaches do know, and if they trust him, that speaks well.

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    from off the net

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    Here’s Tavon “stepping out of bounds”:

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    Here’s the supposed “block in the back”:

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    Bates is clearly to the side of the defender.

    (Can’t take credit for the pictures…they aren’t mine)

    in reply to: Weird and Inconsistent Rams #11216
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    So you’re saying the RBs and WRs are consistent.

    Okay. x

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    alyoshamucci

    So, we beat the Niners 2 weeks after beating the Seahawks. To be perfectly honest I can almost be satisfied with this entire year as a result of those wins. Im pretty easy to please though.

    At 3-5 we’d have to get some luck to think about long shot-playoff stuff . . . but if we beat the Cardinals Im down to start doing the math. We were right there with 2 playoff teams (Eagles and Cowboys) and could easily be 5-3 right now . . but . . we’re not so I’m not looking into it too hard.

    The Great

    1) 8 SACKS. The D line showed up like they should have at the beginning of the year. I’m not sure if they are getting the scheme or just getting more confident or what. I don’t care either, they just need to keep it up.

    2) Gaines’ defended pass deserves its own section. He turned his head, kept his speed, no PI, and batted a ball at a pivotal moment. He beat out Tru in that moment.

    The Good

    3) Greg Robinson. If I’m not mistaken the blitzing LB “Skuta” was all up in our business the first go round. Not this time. He needs to get more comfy out there, but it really seems like his “weakness to the inside move” isn’t that much of a weakness because he simply has crazy long arms and can redirect quickly enough to slow the pressure even if the guy gets a step on him. He looks like Pace. Also . . can he play both ways? Love to have him at MLB.

    4) Picking a horse. Mason got the bulk of the carries and I’m a huge fan of that. Bring in Benny situationally and let Mason get his rips at the defense. He’s going to bust one soon. Its time.

    5) Austin Davis recovering from TWO first quarter INTs. Fortitude. He didn’t have his best game, but he didn’t let that stop us.

    6) GZ 2/2, even if they were ugly.

    7) Run defense. Really I’ve been impressed for the last 4-5 games. Bobby Rainey went off on us, as did Demarco, but we’ve been frustrating runners.

    8) Goal line stand.

    9) 3rd Down defense.

    The Bad

    10) I am not happy with the lack of 3-4 creative Austin plays every week. There are ways to design getting someone the ball in space. I have been happy with Schotty’s work of late (particularly the Britt TD route), he just needs to commit himself to 3-4 plays a week for Austin.

    11) Um, so . . . Zac Stacy is . . what? Has he been in since his fumble? Is there some issue that is not being made public? I would expect a couple carries or snaps to keep him warm, even if the split is 15/3/3.

    12) Dropped INTs. C’mon guys. Joyner, I understand you have abs, so wear a cushion on your belly in case it happens again.

    The Ugly

    13) Tru’s PI. This is unacceptable in that situation. You’ve been playing football forever. You just lost your starting gig from my perspective.

    The Draft

    DE, LB and RB this year are the best I’ve seen. Replacing Hayes this draft should be a priority because the value will be there. Don’t have anything against Hayes. He’s a great rotational player. He’s just over 30 and the draft is sooooo strong at DE that it’s irresponsible not to draft one in the top 3-4 rounds. I have my eye on like 15 guys.Unfortunately we don’t need a RB, but we may as well grab one in the 6th or something. The OLB position could be filled in m any different ways as there are many different types of really athletic players. I would expect a run on LBs from the 20-75 area. I have my favorites of course, but there are so many Id rather wait until after I watch them run in shorts. Ive seen them play enough football.
    TE is notably slow and weak this year. CB has no top end talent, but a couple of promising mid-grade type guys. I wouldn’t put a top 20 grade on any CB.
    Interior linemen looks strong this year too. Through round 4 we could plug that hole at OG, but if we want to replace wells I’m going to pitch for Grasu the rest of the year.

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    zn wrote:
    Bates is in there.

    That’s interesting.

    I wonder if Ogletree WASN’T in there.

    ogletree was in there.

    Oh yeah. Goal line. Took out dbs.

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    Nick Wagoner explains why he’s still in a wait and see approach before buying into team’s success

    49ers Linebacker Patrick Willis joins The Fast Lane to talk about the Rams stunner in San Fran.

    How can the Rams continue to bring Davis along as a QB? Jim Fassel talks w/ The Turn

    Steve Wyche tries to instill hope in Rams fan: “you can see some signs, they’re that close”

    in reply to: Monday Night's Jeff Fisher Show–Audio & Video #11194
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    Listen to James Laurinaitis.
    Its a Must listen.

    “we feel confident
    against teams like SF and Seattle”

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    Why do you personally take it as must listen?

    Not arguing that it isn’t. Just wondering why you personally think it is.

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    nice gif ZN thanks for sharing……….. nice job by Brockers to not facemask CK7 on the play.

    Bates is in there.

    That’s interesting.

    I wonder if Ogletree WASN’T in there.

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    Well my question is, is it the same sub-units that are inconsistent? Secondary, OL, etc. Or is it time-wide? Or, conversely, are there any sub-units (DL, etc.) that are MORE consistent?

    in reply to: Trip to the Field of Jeans RAMS vs SF #11184
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    Great post JM.

    Thanks.

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    Great post ! Kap fumbled at least twice, ZN posted a nice Gif of it.

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    Eh, that still should have been a run.

    Judgement call. In fact, I judge it differently–I think it was a brilliant play and Davis screwed it up. We don’t have to debate it. All we will get on either side is opinions. Which is kind of my point. x

    On top of it I doubt that was the coordinator. Maybe the specific play was…and in fact, it’s a signature Schott thing to set up play action that springs a blocking TE (Kendricks or Harkey) for a big gain. But going for the big play instead of the 1 yard is, I think, a Fisher thing. As in “let’s do more than run for the 1”–that would be Fisher. Here’s Fisher on that:

    (On the decision to throw the ball on the team’s final offensive third down)
    “There was 3:30 left and they had two timeouts left and the two-minute warning and I needed a first down. That’s a good defense. I’d do it again. (TE) Lance (Kendricks) was wide open. Austin couldn’t see him. Complete the pass, we kneel on it. The game is over. So, I was trying to win the game.”

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    aeneas1

    caught the rams / niners game at my cafe which is located in the sfo bay area, lots of niners fans glued to the tube in the 4th, all expecting the worst as the clock wound down, but hoping for the best, cursing harbaugh, roman, fangio, kaep and the oline the entire time.

    when the dust finally settled and the guys in horns walked off the field winners, more than a few niners fans were praising fish, the job he’s done with the rams and a 4th string qb, and saying that if niners had him, instead of harbaugh, the niners would be winners this season and would have won at least one super bowl since 2011.

    in fact none of the niners fans were saying that the niners got jobbed, that crabtree scored at the goal line, that kaep didn’t fumble at the goal line, they accepted those calls at face value. instead the consensus was the rams just beat the niners, and that fish outcoached harbaugh. needless to say it was a rather enjoyable post-game reaction for this rams fan, dejected niners fans praising the rams and their head coach!

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    Bradford has done nothing to show he’s superior to Davis. You guys have short fucking memories and anybody who thinks Hill give them a better chance doesn’t know much about QBs.

    Grits

    It’s all different opinions Grits, and ain’t nobody with a monopoly on the truth. Given that, tone it down a bit, okay?

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    At the midway point of the 2014 season, Benny Cunningham leads the NFC in kickoff return average (29.9 yards)

    You know, in advance, I would never have guessed that BC would be a good KR.

    Not only is he a good KR, he’s better than any the Rams have had, since…?

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    just don’t know yet if he has hit his ceiling. That’s really my only argument. It isn’t: can they do better? It’s: Can HE do better?

    I think he hit his ceiling a while back. The question was when opposing defenses will figure him out, and I would say that has already happened.

    Could I be wrong? Sure. But…I don’t see how another 8 games of Davis demonstrating he struggles against the blitz does anyone any good. I don’t see the point in it.

    Look–even if they win two more games this year because of Hill–how does that help them next year?

    Well I think Hill is so much better than Davis that it would be more than 2 games they would win. And my way of thinking is, you don’t use a regular season to hold auditions or see what’s up for next year. You just play to win.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

    PA Ram wrote:
    The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.

    I get that argument but I don’t think it’s realistic. I am much more of a “win now” guy and I think off-season determinations are for the off-season. I think the best thing for Davis’s improvement is to sit and watch for a while and work on sharpening the aspects of his game that he CAN work on, in the off-season.

    I am going to tease you.s

    If they do it your way? I can see the pep speeches now: “Team, give it your best and give it your all. Scoff at injuries, play in pain, throw yourself into it heart body and soul. Give it all of your blood sweat and tears. And here’s why–the staff is in the process of determining whether or not the qb is a future back-up. So…go Rams!”

    The stuff dreams are made of.

    They didn’t throw a first-round pick at Davis and they aren’t in this awkward position where they have to stick by him or admit that the pick was wasted.

    I prefer win-now stuff.

    Then again, twice now Davis was making the same kinds of mistakes and not running the offense the way it should be–which btw a lot of the sacks are on HIM not the OL–and twice now they straightened him out for at least a game or 2.

    So I don’t know what the reality is.

    I just prefer win now. I think “win now” has a way of taking care of things.

    But they DID win–even with his worst performance. And I don’t think you’d pin their 5 losses on Austin Davis.

    Winning is always the most important thing, but who has any idea that Hill gives the Rams the better shot of winning? And if Hill comes in and stinks? How is a QB carousel good for anything?

    Also–there is short and long term thinking, and while players may be invested in the here and now–coaches are long term thinkers as well as short term thinkers.

    Look–even if they win two more games this year because of Hill–how does that help them next year?

    This team shows no carryover from one year to the next. Next year is a whole new thing. There will be changes.

    I’m just suggesting that staying with Davis right now(short of him having a big regression or complete meltdown) offers more long term benefits than tossing in Hill to win a game or two and I’m only saying that because, as I asked in my last post: What is his ceiling?

    That’s where I sit in all of this.

    If the coaching staff believes he has hit his ceiling and this is it, fine–move on.

    If not–continue the experiment a while longer.

    I believe that the things Davis needs to learn are probably best learned in starting reps during practice and game experience.

    And if you pull the plug too soon and Hill does no better, that tells the team you’re lost.

    So–while I am critical of Davis–I would be patient for now.

    Believe me, the thought of pulling him crossed my mind yesterday. Looking back, I’m glad they didn’t.

    Going forward, we’ll see.

    None of this is carved in stone. Everything is subject to change.

    When just looking at qb play my assessment is that they can and absolutely need to do better. Rams can’t keep depending on ref’s calls on last minute fumbles to win. They should have been up by at least 7-10 in that game. Moderately decent, unpanicked qb could have done that.

    in reply to: 49er game reactions from off the net #11093
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    Everybody blames the OC. Nobody credits the opposing defense. That’s probably every message board in sportsdom after a loss.

    I couldn’t agree more.

    in reply to: We need a QB. #11091
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    The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.

    I get that argument but I don’t think it’s realistic. I am much more of a “win now” guy and I think off-season determinations are for the off-season. I think the best thing for Davis’s improvement is to sit and watch for a while and work on sharpening the aspects of his game that he CAN work on, in the off-season.

    I am going to tease you.s

    If they do it your way? I can see the pep speeches now: “Team, give it your best and give it your all. Scoff at injuries, play in pain, throw yourself into it heart body and soul. Give it all of your blood sweat and tears. And here’s why–the staff is in the process of determining whether or not the qb is a future back-up. So…go Rams!”

    The stuff dreams are made of.

    They didn’t throw a first-round pick at Davis and they aren’t in this awkward position where they have to stick by him or admit that the pick was wasted.

    I prefer win-now stuff.

    Then again, twice now Davis was making the same kinds of mistakes and not running the offense the way it should be–which btw a lot of the sacks are on HIM not the OL–and twice now they straightened him out for at least a game or 2.

    So I don’t know what the reality is.

    I just prefer win now. I think “win now” has a way of taking care of things.

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