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  • #2089
    zn
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    Get ready for the Legion of Boom rule

    by Mike Florio on July 21, 2014

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/21/get-ready-for-the-legion-of-boom-rule/

    A decade ago, the NFL made illegal contact and defensive holding a point of emphasis based in part on complaints from former Colts G.M. Bill Polian that Patriots defensive backs were manhandling Peyton Manning’s pass-catchers. Now, the NFL is re-emphasizing the point of emphasis.

    As explained by FOX’s Mike Pereira on Twitter, a former NFL V.P. of officiating, illegal contact and defensive holding will be a point of emphasis in 2014.

    As a practical matter, it’s the Legion of Boom rule. In 2013, the Seahawks brazenly committed illegal contact and holding, knowing that, if illegal contact happens on every play, the officials won’t throw a flag on every play. In an intriguing segment that aired on NBCSN’s NFL Turning Point, Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman was displaying to a teammate on the practice field techniques for concealing illegal contact.

    This year, the officials may be far more inclined to throw flags. Per Pereira, the 2004 push to stop defensive backs from pushing and tugging and shoving receivers resulted in an increase in illegal contact fouls from 79 to 191.

    That will lead to more intriguing comments from Sherman, especially in light of what he said in January.

    “The game was allowed to be played physical, and that’s why you had so many run games,” Sherman said regarding the way the NFL used to be. “That’s an old school brand of football. I don’t know how old the rules are, but since these rules have come, you look up and every receiver, every play they could drop a wide-open pass and turn around and look for a flag. I think that kind of ruins the game. That kind of ruins the intensity, the whole DNA of football and what it is if you see flags every single play.”

    Pereira notes that the Legion of Boom rule will be offset by an emphasis on offensive pass interference. “Not an even trade in my opinion,” Pereira notes.

    Despite Sherman’s and Pereira’s desire for the current state of affairs to remain in place, the Seahawks will stop committing so much strategic illegal contact if the flags fly often enough to get the message to the defensive backs that the officials will indeed risk slowing the game to a crawl if the Seahawks hope to take advantage of the reluctance to make a game last much longer than it should.

    Of course, telling the officials to throw the flag more often in a conference room won’t necessarily result in more flags being thrown during games. But it worked in 2004 — it could work again in 2014, making it harder for the Seahawks to repeat.

    The good news for Seattle is that, a decade ago, the Patriots won the Super Bowl for a second straight year, even with the renewed emphasis on mugging Manning’s teammates.

    #2155
    wv
    Participant

    It would be ironic if the Seahawks adjusted to this new policy
    and it was teams like the Rams, who played a lot of soft coverage
    last year, who got penalized more.

    Interesting stuff, btw.

    w
    v

    #2214
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Bout damn time.

    Sherman’s very smart. He (and I’m sure his coaches) recognized that the league values the “TV contract” more than the rules of the game…otherwise offensive holding by OL would be called on nearly every play. It’s not, for several reasons. Same with cut/chop blocks that injure both OL and DL and used to make defenses HATE any offense that used “zone blocking” techniques like Denver used to because it meant going after guy’s knees.

    Same shit New England did in SB36.

    I really hope they enforce this rule.

    A lot.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #2238
    wv
    Participant

    Bout damn time.

    Sherman’s very smart. He (and I’m sure his coaches) recognized that the league values the “TV contract” more than the rules of the game…otherwise offensive holding by OL would be called on nearly every play. It’s not, for several reasons. Same with cut/chop blocks that injure both OL and DL and used to make defenses HATE any offense that used “zone blocking” techniques like Denver used to because it meant going after guy’s knees.

    Same shit New England did in SB36.

    I really hope they enforce this rule.

    A lot.

    Well, i doubt they enforce it in the playoffs.
    Maybe the regular season, but they
    wont call penalties in the playoffs.

    w
    v

    #2252
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    I dunno, wv. The league’s actually been doing at least a BETTER job of calling the playoffs closer to the regular season officiating than they used to. Part of it is that with so many pregame hours, the networks and various sports media outlets have to keep churning out “content” and thus officiating will always be part of the story. As such, the old way of “let them play” which severely affected the outcome of games and was very controversial has become less tolerated by fans and pundits alike and the league simply wants to put out a non-controversial product that sells.

    So, I would expect that while we may still see a teensy bit of “let them play”, I would be surprised if we see the Legion of Boom style allowed to be repeated in the 2014 playoffs.

    Very surprised, actually.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #2642
    zn
    Moderator

    jemach

    I don’t know if many if you heard about former ref and Fox analyst Mike Pereira talk to John Clayton but the illegal contact rules are going to be enforced big time. Grabbing a jersey…at all…will be called. This, I think, hurts a team like the Seahawks, who play very physical.

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    John Clayton

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11239782/nfl-more-plays-more-defensive-penalties-trending-john-clayton-mailbag

    On defense, the trend is trying to adjust technique in pass coverage. Word came out of the officials’ camp in Dallas on Friday that the league is going to put an emphasis on calling more penalties in pass coverage. Former vice president of officiating Mike Pereira tweeted Friday that officials are being asked to call more interference, holding and illegal contact penalties.

    The number of illegal contact penalties has been dropping from 72 in 2011 to 63 in 2012 to just 38 last season.

    Officials haven’t been gun-shy about throwing defensive interference flags. More than 200 have been called in each of the past three years.

    Teams such as the Seattle Seahawks and Patriots, among others, will have to adjust. The Steelers were among the league leaders in defensive coverage penalties because they play tight coverage. The Patriots signed Brandon Browner and Darrelle Revis to do the same.

    The idea is to create more offense. Scoring is already at an all-time high, but the NFL doesn’t want scoring and offensive production to drop off. The Seahawks won the Super Bowl with their “Legion of Boom” defense. While it was fun to see defense back on the podium, the NFL doesn’t want to see the sport go the way of baseball, which is dominated by pitching and low-scoring games.

    #2646
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    We’ll see. The physical style of coverage (also known as holding) by DBs is really the only way left to slow down great QBs with good receivers. A good pass rush is still a solid tactic, but hitting the QB risks a flag, unless you’ve got the aim of a Marine Sniper.

    The owners want more points, and more big plays on offense. The owners are the league. The rules committee, the commissioner, the refs, they’ll do what they’re told. Advertising $$$ make most decisions in the NFL.

    I’d say there’s a good chance we’ll see more defensive holding calls.

    #2647
    zn
    Moderator

    I’d say there’s a good chance we’ll see more defensive holding calls.

    I don;t know how far into the camp reports you;ve read. You know about the tennis balls?

    Wagoner

    During one-on-one passing drills, the coaches are putting an emphasis on getting the defensive backs to cover without using their hands as much. So defensive quality control coach Dennard Wilson gave the corners a pair of tennis balls before each play. When the ball was thrown, the defensive backs were allowed to drop the balls to make a play on the football. Clearly, the Rams are hoping to cut down on defensive pass interference and illegal contact in 2014.

    #2648
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    Hmm… Good to know the Rams are working on it. Fisher is still on the rules committee, right?

    I think the last superbowl was a disaster for the league. To have a HOF QB, and 4 very good receivers, completely shut down for 3 hours is bad for business. IMO the owners don’t want Seattle’s “style” of D to be replicated by other teams. That’s boring football. And boring doesn’t sell.

    #2997
    zn
    Moderator

    Expect more defensive holding, illegal contact flags this year

    Michael David Smith
    August 1, 2014

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/01/expect-more-defensive-holding-illegal-contact-flags-this-year/

    NFL rules have already done plenty to favor the passing game, but this year may be the biggest passing season yet.

    That’s because, as explained by veteran referee Ed Hochuli, NFL officials are planning to emphasize defensive holding and illegal contact this season. Hochuli said that early in the year, when defensive backs haven’t yet learned how strictly the officials are going to call the penalties, the flags will fly frequently.

    “I would expect there may be more fouls called in the first preseason game and the first regular-season game,” Hochuli told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “The big one is holding. We’ve also tightened up the rule on illegal contact. We’ve always given a little leeway on that.

    Opposing offenses complained last season that the Super Bowl champion Seahawks were grabbing and holding and not getting flagged for it. This year the Seahawks may have to adjust their style. And offenses across the league may put up even bigger numbers than ever before.

    #3003
    wv
    Participant

    “…as explained by veteran referee Ed Hochuli, NFL officials are planning to emphasize defensive holding and illegal contact this season. Hochuli said that early in the year, when defensive backs haven’t yet learned how strictly the officials are going to call the penalties, the flags will fly frequently…”

    The key here, is ‘early in the year’
    they’ll call penalties.

    I’ll be surprised if it happens
    in the playoffs.

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    v

    #3004
    zn
    Moderator

    “…as explained by veteran referee Ed Hochuli, NFL officials are planning to emphasize defensive holding and illegal contact this season. Hochuli said that early in the year, when defensive backs haven’t yet learned how strictly the officials are going to call the penalties, the flags will fly frequently…”

    The key here, is ‘early in the year’
    they’ll call penalties.

    I’ll be surprised if it happens
    in the playoffs.

    w
    v

    I think he meant they will HAVE TO early in the year until players catch on and then after that they won’t have to call as many.

    I didn’t take him as saying they would just stop calling it as much.

    #3005
    wv
    Participant

    “…as explained by veteran referee Ed Hochuli, NFL officials are planning to emphasize defensive holding and illegal contact this season. Hochuli said that early in the year, when defensive backs haven’t yet learned how strictly the officials are going to call the penalties, the flags will fly frequently…”

    The key here, is ‘early in the year’
    they’ll call penalties.

    I’ll be surprised if it happens
    in the playoffs.

    w
    v

    I think he meant they will HAVE TO early in the year until players catch on and then after that they won’t have to call as many.

    I didn’t take him as saying they would just stop calling it as much.

    Yes, your interpretation is what he meant,
    but I’m saying i bet the dont call them
    in the playoffs cause thats just how pro sports iz –
    Refs dont call penalties in the playoffs. They
    just let’em play. They are not gonna
    want a penalty-filled super-bowl game.

    Its not black and white though. I’m sure
    they are indeed trying to nudge the game
    away from the muggings by the DBs,
    but still, i think for the most part
    come playoff time — they’ll “let’em play”.

    w
    v

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    #3008
    zn
    Moderator

    Yes, your interpretation is what he meant,
    but I’m saying i bet the dont call them
    in the playoffs cause thats just how pro sports iz –

    Ah. I see. Somehow, you made me misread you. I apologize for letting you make me misread you.

    #3012
    SunTzu_vs_Camus
    Participant

    Juat as long as they call more flagrant OL holding on our DL(Quinn especially)….
    cuz THAT’s what I find is is more egregious during a game.

    "I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
    Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."
    #4081
    zn
    Moderator

    a media report from off the net

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    max

    I heard D. Jeremiah say recently that with the new rules its virtually impossible to defend certain routes and passes, like the back shoulder fade. All you need is an accurate QB, good pass protection and a decent WR and you offense can’t be stopped.

    It appears that the only recourse a defense has now is not to let the QB make accurate throws by either getting tremendous pressure or knocking him out of the game somehow. I wonder how that will affect defenses that have better secondaries than DLs. You’d think they will have a harder time.

    #4088
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    I’ve watched a lot of preseason games, and so far the refs are calling a lot of defensive holding on the DBs. Especially on slants and double moves when a WR runs by his guy. If the DB gets “grabby” at that point, he gets a flag.

    I’m not certain how all of this is gonna play out. It could have a huge impact on the game. So many DBs grab guys on slants and quick look-in routes. If the refs keep throwing flags at this rate, they’re gonna break some kind of record.

    I’m also seeing a lot of “hands to the face” calls against the D-lineman. Even if the hands just go to the helmet for a second, they’re getting a flag.

    #4095
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    max

    It appears that the only recourse a defense has now is not to let the QB make accurate throws by either getting tremendous pressure or knocking him out of the game somehow. I wonder how that will affect defenses that have better secondaries than DLs. You’d think they will have a harder time.

    There could be an unintended and unwanted consequence of this rule change. If getting pressure on the QB becomes even more important then you will see more blitzing which will result in QB’s getting hit more which could lead to more QB injuries.

    #4096
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I’ve watched a lot of preseason games, and so far the refs are calling a lot of defensive holding on the DBs. Especially on slants and double moves when a WR runs by his guy. If the DB gets “grabby” at that point, he gets a flag.

    I’m not certain how all of this is gonna play out. It could have a huge impact on the game. So many DBs grab guys on slants and quick look-in routes. If the refs keep throwing flags at this rate, they’re gonna break some kind of record.

    I’m also seeing a lot of “hands to the face” calls against the D-lineman. Even if the hands just go to the helmet for a second, they’re getting a flag.

    I watched a few plays from the Seahawks/Chargers game yesterday and maybe they were just sending a message to the Seahawks but if some of those calls were illegal contact then the DB simply has no chance. There will be a LOT more TDs this year. Also–I noticed that “hands to the face” call a lot, and they called that during the Rams game a few times.

    If they make these calls during the regular season fans will be screaming and games will take 6 hours to play.

    They may call them more now–and even a little more during the season, but I don’t see what’s happening now happening then.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #4097
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    *When* it’s called is gonna be a huge factor. It’s only a 5 yard penalty, but it’s an auto first down. So when it’s 3rd and 17, and a DB grabs for a second and gets called… ouch.

    #4105
    sdram
    Participant

    “As a practical matter, it’s the Legion of Boom rule. In 2013, the Seahawks brazenly committed illegal contact and holding, knowing that, if illegal contact happens on every play, the officials won’t throw a flag on every play. In an intriguing segment that aired on NBCSN’s NFL Turning Point, Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman was displaying to a teammate on the practice field techniques for concealing illegal contact.”

    I watched a couple of preseason games this week on the lack of D NFL Network – Bears and Eagles from last week and the Jags last night. They did call it almost every pass play. It was ridiculously easy for any receiver to simply run into a DB who’s more than 5 yards past the LOS and out would come the flag. So, the play of the night was run into a DB and draw a flag for a FD. That said, it was a preseason game so we’ll see how far it goes once the regular season starts. If they’re looking for more scoring – this is one way to enhance that. Simply look at last night’s NFL preseason scores.

    The jersey grabbing, pushing, pulling, bumping stuff has been going on for decades. Many times, it goes both ways. After all the emphasis on illegal hits and injury producing head hunting the past few seasons, this would really make it much harder on any defense to slow down any NFL passing attack. I prefer balance and a defensive game isnt’ a bad game in my opinion.

    #4109
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    “As a practical matter, it’s the Legion of Boom rule. In 2013, the Seahawks brazenly committed illegal contact and holding, knowing that, if illegal contact happens on every play, the officials won’t throw a flag on every play. In an intriguing segment that aired on NBCSN’s NFL Turning Point, Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman was displaying to a teammate on the practice field techniques for concealing illegal contact.”

    I watched a couple of preseason games this week on the lack of D NFL Network – Bears and Eagles from last week and the Jags last night. They did call it almost every pass play. It was ridiculously easy for any receiver to simply run into a DB who’s more than 5 yards past the LOS and out would come the flag. So, the play of the night was run into a DB and draw a flag for a FD. That said, it was a preseason game so we’ll see how far it goes once the regular season starts. If they’re looking for more scoring – this is one way to enhance that. Simply look at last night’s NFL preseason scores.

    The jersey grabbing, pushing, pulling, bumping stuff has been going on for decades. Many times, it goes both ways. After all the emphasis on illegal hits and injury producing head hunting the past few seasons, this would really make it much harder on any defense to slow down any NFL passing attack. I prefer balance and a defensive game isnt’ a bad game in my opinion.

    Yep. I saw a few of the *running into a DB plays*. The WR just ran downfield, 5 yards past the LOS, straight into the DB, and if the DB did anything other than get out of the way, out came a flag. I doubt they call it like that in the regular season, because a team could score almost every time they had a possession.

    This is going to be interesting to watch. Enforcing it is going to be tricky. My guess is, like all judgement calls, it will depend on which officiating crew is working the game. Some will call it often, some will let’em play.

    #4659
    zn
    Moderator

    You know I don’t think Seattle has been called much for this. I think they adjusted. That’s just an impression. I didn’t do no detailed study using science foundation grant money or anything. I just sort of watched Chicago self-destruct against them yesterday, and in the middle of shaking my head at Chicago’s various flawed efforts to imitate football, I sort of vaguely noticed that the Seahawks didn’t get many calls like this. One or 2?

    #4662
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    I think Seattle got dinged for one pass interference call, but no illegal contact or defensive holding.

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