CoachO

The Offensive line isn’t as bad as Davis is making them look. He bails at the first sign of pressure, real or imagined. When he takes a 3 or 5 step drop, and has time to set his feet, which he does regularly, he has time to get the ball out “on time”. The issue is, he then doesn’t see where to go, and starts running without seeing the field.

I am not saying that this oline is the second coming of the old Cardiac Cards Oline, (the days of Dierdorf, Dobler, Banks and co.), but IMO, when the QB doesn’t get the ball out on time, it makes the blocking seem a whole lot worse than it is. There was one throw today where I actually thought Davis was decisive, and got the ball out on time, and to the right receiver. It was right after he missed a play, and he came back and completed a 3rd down pass to Cook. I actually thought it was Hill at first, because it was so unlike Davis.

If he would get rid of the ball, much the same way teams have been doing to our dline for much of the first 7 games, then we aren’t talking about how bad the line is. But he just hasn’t shown the ability to do it consistently

He routinely has open receivers, but because he is too busy “keeping the play alive” he doesn’t see them, he cuts the field in half and more often than not, it results in a bad play, or at the very least, a wasted down by throwing it away.

It’s about coaching him to be more careful with the football. That has always been Fisher’s MO, and I for one, agree with it. For every highlight play Davis may make, he usually ends up with 3 negative plays to go along with it. Again, in his 7 1/2 games, there have been THREE he has thrown < 30 passes in. Care to guess which 3 games the Rams have won?

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junkman

I loved that the Rams didn’t give up. All kinds of bad things happened, and they kept fighting

Two early picks of Davis

The gift TD to Boldin by Roberson

The “forward momentum stopped” fumble that should have been a Rams TD by Laurinaitis.

The Tavon Austin punt return TD that was called back

A few (?) first downs to given to 49ers on Rams D penalties when they would have been stopped (why don’t they ever give those calls to the Rams O?!? Like.. EVER?)

Defense on the field like all day! (from ineffective offense)

Obvious unnecessary roughness suplex body slam by Borland in a critical situation, not called. C’mon guys, are you going to enforce the rules or not??

Deep pass interference on Tru Jo followed by the defensive holding on Tru Jo

This was the kind of grit it out win we’ve been wanting from the Rams and just haven’t gotten.

Hacksaw

WHAT 49er FANS ARE SAYING

Yorks are laughing their fat a**es all the way to the bank with this awful team. Shame!!!

Stop. He was awful. The line was awful but it’s not like he was making the best out of a bad situation. He was absolutely terrible. Gregg Williams took advantage of Kap’s nonexistent football iq.

f**k this stupid worthless a** team

Dude, don’t blame the refs. We suck, you saw it for your own eyes. Don’t blame the others

Not been a 49ers fan long, this is the worst feeling, so many things wrong today, but the way it finished was cruel. If we lost the game in our own half I would have been gutted, but this is devastating.

Stop blaming the refs. The coaching staff and QB have gone down the toilet.

Good lord kaepernick is terrible!

Lol.not this year boys

Nice CB play. Why can’t Culliver cover like that?

refs suck

Wow NFL really does hate us.

Escaping with a win. Pretty lucky!
Seriously? kap sucks.
Kap ruined it. Wow.

Please fire Greg Roman. Horrible play calling!

Kap ruined it. Wow. Something about the dude just says “loser”. he can’t get it done.

im done with football

Please fire Greg Roman. Horrible play calling!

HE DIDNT FUMBLE THE BALL JESUS. Roman isn’t that good but come on

It’s not like we signed Kaep to 18 per year, so we’re all good. Oh wait…

Yeah. No idea how that was called on the field but Kap did fumble so oh well.
Because a ram came out of the pile with the ball

I don’t argue that at all. I do believe, though, that he is NOT a franchise QB, and the search must be on.

As a football fan for 28 years I’m at a point that I might be done with football.

I just canceled Redzone and won’t by any NFL merchandise again until they get refs that know what they are doing.

Wow. Now terrible defense. This is f****** horrible.

We can’t even dominate the freakin Rams at home. This team annoys me

Trey Mason looks like a steal.

cgsuddeath wrote:

Does anyone know why the Rams don’t run screen plays?

A fair question.

I think it’s because the Rams are above all that merely obvious stuff.

Kidding.

I dunno.

wv wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>
How many of the starters in Arz were there before Arians?
Pretty much their entire defense, right?
The defense that started against Phil avgs. 5-6 years experience. Maybe more like 7.
Rams D avgs. 3 or so.

Stuff like that matters IMO.

I dunno. Three years seems like
enough time to build a defense to me.
Especially when you start off with
Quinn and Long and Laurinaitis.

I do think youth is a big factor,
but some coaching and personnel decisions
have also been factors. They went
with Dunbar, Finnegan, JJ, Ogletree, Greg Williams, etc.
I dunno if those were the right choices
anymore.

w
v

Okay, but, these things can take twists and turns. For one, I would absolutely expect a veteran good defense (like in SF or ARZ) to do better…it would be surprising if they didn’t do better. So what are the twists and turns? You suggest coaching, which is always an obvious culprit. I don’t see coaching as the culprit though. This team makes monumental game-killing errors, and then gets into a funk. That’s not coaching, that’s execution. So why did execution collapse this year? I think there are a lot of reasons but they’re all of the kind that afflict young teams, not veteran established teams.

wv wrote:

I dunno guys. I dunno.
I look at that Bruce Arians team,
and i wonder why the Rams dont look
that good. Its been three years.

w
v

How many of the starters in Arz were there before Arians?

Pretty much their entire defense, right?

The defense that started against Phil avgs. 5-6 years experience. Maybe more like 7.

Rams D avgs. 3 or so.

Stuff like that matters IMO.

joemad wrote:

i will be entering the field of jeans today as the enemy.

Enjoy.

Immediately after the Kansas City game, quarterback Austin Davis said he thought the Chiefs took some things away in the second half. But after he studied the film over the next day or two, he came to the conclusion that that wasn’t really the case.

“We’re getting guys open; the run game’s been good. We’ve just got to stay the course and continue to do what we do.”

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Interesting stuff.

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cgsuddeath wrote:

I have watched all the games this year.The game that I found so difficult to watch was the KC game.After the KO return I just walked out of the room and didn’t watch the rest of the game.

A lot of people say they don’t sit through blow-outs. I am the same. I go in and out…I will leave and do chores and come back or vacuum the room where the game is on etc. That kind of thing. I will turn every game on at the start and sit through close ones, but when it;s a blow-out I allow myself to get distracted.

It’s not the score. I don’t like watching the team when it has lost heart.

Margo is our tivo monitor, meaning, she’s the one who now and then says “should I delete this?” She keeps her eye on the “free” percentage…how much space is left on tivo. Over the years, when it’s a blow-out, she knows to ask. “That was a blow-out, right? Should I delete it?” And I will sound reluctant but still say “yeah…I guess….”

InvaderRam wrote:

i know. just joking. but moving forward. i’m looking for improvement from robinson, bailey, austin, mason, davis, donald, brockers, ogletree, gaines, mcdonald…

also we got barron now. so excited to see what he looks like.

I have to say, there’s more of THAT (interesting promising players) this bad season, than in previous bad seasons.

HighPlainsDrifter wrote:

Most of the internet sites seem to be riddled with pop up ads that never stop and are considered a risk to my computer that I am not willing to take.

Fwiw, if you sift through this thread, people have found how to evade those risks. Up to you of course.

http://theramshuddle.com/topic/who-knows-how-internet-tv-works-this-year/

Kiper’s mid season rookie ratings

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11787828/nfl-baltimore-ravens-cj-mosley-tops-mel-kiper-midseason-rookie-rankings

1. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Baltimore Ravens
(Midseason defensive rookie of the year)

The temptation here is to push Mosley down a bit because he’s playing a position that, at least traditionally, has been one where guys have the chance to transition quickly and succeed if you put enough talent in front of them and keep blockers occupied. But Mosley has been even better than good. I think he’s been in the neighborhood of Luke Kuechly, Patrick Willis, Bobby Wagner — in other words, playing his position as well as anybody in the NFL plays his position. He leads all rookies in tackles, and leads his team. He also has a pair of interceptions.

2. Zack Martin, OG, Dallas Cowboys
(Midseason offensive rookie of the year)

Although the Dallas rushing game has been a huge part of the team’s success this season, Martin hasn’t just been good in creating a push there; he’s also been good in providing protection in the passing game. The former Notre Dame tackle has adjusted with ease to the move to guard, and I’ve seen enough failures in that move over the years to simply pass it off as an easy adjustment. He’s been great, and it has directly affected the fortunes of his team.

3. Khalil Mack, OLB, Oakland Raiders

I know I’m going to hear arguments that I have Mack too low, which shows just how good he’s been. Although he has delivered plenty of pressure, I’ll be a little old-school and dock him just slightly for not yet having a sack to his name; but other than that, it’s hard to have any complaints. Where Mack has really been fantastic is against the run. When I go through Oakland games on a play-to-play basis, I’m seeing the most consistent player on that defense.

4. Joel Bitonio, OG, Cleveland Browns

He’s already one of the better run-blocking guards in the NFL, and I don’t think the fact that Cleveland’s rushing average per carry has dipped this season has anything to do with him. The loss of Alex Mack has hurt, and minus Josh Gordon — and with a green QB — teams are simply stacking the box. Bitonio has been great, and he should continue on this path.

5. Sammy Watkins, WR, Buffalo Bills

I realize there are other rookies in this class who have more catches (Brandin Cooks) or just as many touchdowns (Kelvin Benjamin). But I have Watkins a tick ahead of both because he’s leading the rookie class in receiving yards and has 16 more targets than any other player on his team — which is now a 5-3 team. He also has fewer drops than Benjamin, who’s in a similar argument for alpha-receiver status in his team’s offense. Watkins has had ups and downs, but he also has made huge plays, and those have helped Buffalo win.

6. Jason Verrett, CB, San Diego Chargers

Snap count matters, and the fact that Verrett’s is now down from the last time we did these rankings is reflected in his drop. He’s been outstanding when he’s on the field, showing the chops of a veteran, but he’s under 250 total snaps for the season, and could dip here further as he works through a shoulder injury. That said, when he plays, Verrett hasn’t been far off a Pro Bowl level.

7. Aaron Donald, DT, St. Louis Rams

It was only a matter of time for Donald. Through five weeks, he hadn’t played more than 30 snaps in a game, and I wrote a few weeks ago that, if he was simply on the field more, the production would accelerate. He has 2.0 sacks and already leads the team in tackles for loss. What I think is really notable is how he clearly occupies defenders and frees things up for others. He’s a force and could be at the top of this list by season’s end.

8. Anthony Barr, OLB, Minnesota Vikings

Anybody who watched the NFL last week saw Barr’s overtime play that got Minnesota the win: a strip of Austin Seferian-Jenkins that Barr picked up and returned for a touchdown in overtime. Although that might have been a welcome moment for some, Barr has been good all year in what’s been a fantastic performance because he has had to adjust to a different role — playing 4-3 OLB instead of doing the pass rushing he was at UCLA.

9. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Carolina Panthers

Benjamin is similar to Watkins in that he’s been both inconsistent and absolutely essential to his team. The Panthers drafted him and asked him to step in and be a No. 1 right away, and he has led them in targets and is second only to veteran tight end Greg Olsen in receptions. He also has nine receptions of 20-plus yards, providing Cam Newton the downfield threat he needs.

10. Corey Linsley, C, Green Bay Packers

He’s been on the field every snap of the season and has been solid taking over at center for the Packers. Although I wouldn’t say he’s been dominant, what’s impressive about Linsley is that he looks as if he’s been playing for a handful of years and, aside from Josh Sitton, is as dependable as anybody the Packers have up front. He is looking like a steal, having been selected in the fifth round.

11. Preston Brown, OLB, Buffalo Bills

Not only does he lead the Bills in tackles, with 60, but he’s been flying around in coverage.

12. Brandin Cooks, WR, New Orleans Saints

He doesn’t have the yardage so far, but Cooks is a main target of Drew Brees — he has 52 targets, next to Jimmy Graham’s 54.

13. E.J. Gaines, CB, St. Louis Rams

He leads the Rams in passes defensed and is an every-down player at this point. He could keep rising.

14. Kyle Fuller, CB, Chicago Bears

He has dropped because he’s not playing as many snaps as he had, but the Bears’ secondary problems go beyond him — mainly to safety.

15. Derek Carr, QB, Oakland Raiders

Given what’s going on with the Jets and Jaguars, you could argue Carr is no longer a QB who could start for only one team. The Raiders aren’t consistently competitive, but he’s been decent.

Notables in the mix, in no particular order
• Taylor Lewan, OT, Tennessee Titans: He has played full snaps the past few weeks and has played well. Moving up.

• Bashaud Breeland, CB, Washington Redskins: Was outstanding in defending Dez Bryant on Monday night. Lots of natural talent.

• Allen Robinson, WR, Jacksonville Jaguars: Has 39 receptions; nobody else on the Jags has more than 23.

• Branden Oliver, RB, San Diego Chargers: A tremendous two-week stretch when called upon, he has proved he can stick around.

• Jerick McKinnon, RB, Minnesota Vikings: Maybe the best overall athlete in the entire draft; he won’t disappoint when he’s a true No. 1.

• Mike Evans, WR, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Quietly, he has just one fewer reception than Vincent Jackson.

• Chandler Catanzaro, K, Arizona Cardinals: Hasn’t missed a kick, including going 6-for-6 from beyond 40 yards.

• Bradley Roby, CB, Denver Broncos: Hasn’t been great the past couple of weeks, but he has had a solid start to his career.

• Calvin Pryor, S, New York Jets: Will get better in coverage, but he’s not afraid to come downhill.

• Avery Williamson, ILB, Tennessee Titans: Didn’t play to start the season, but now is a guy the Titans rely upon.

• Deone Bucannon, S, Arizona Cardinals: He has had a couple of stinkers, but the guy will lay a hit and is going to be pretty good in coverage. He makes plays.

• Aaron Lynch, OLB, San Francisco 49ers: Has flashed as a pass-rusher. Bright future.

• John Brown, WR, Arizona Cardinals: Just 22 catches so far, but his role is expanding. More big plays to come.

• Jack Mewhort, OG, Indianapolis Colts: Effective if not outstanding when he’s been on the field.

• Davante Adams, WR, Green Bay Packers: With him now third on the Packers in receptions, you can see Aaron Rodgers’ chemistry with him improving.

• Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Minnesota Vikings: A big-time drive got the Vikings a tie in a game they ultimately won Sunday. He’s getting close to really being comfortable.

• Jordan Matthews, WR, Philadelphia Eagles: Now has 29 receptions, and could more than double that with his second-half tally.

• Ja’Wuan James, OT, Miami Dolphins: Has had some ups and downs, but I think the Dolphins are pleased with his performance so far.

• Jace Amaro, TE, New York Jets: Who knows what he’ll see in terms of targets, given the QB situation, but it’s clear he’ll be on the field.

• Lamarcus Joyner, CB, St. Louis Rams: He was a versatile player in college, and provides value to the Rams’ defense even as he’s getting adjusted.

bump

it’s a relevant issue I think.