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znModeratori think he could play in any system and be successful.
The issue is not the system, it’s the situation.
Brees is a better qb than Wilson at this point, but then the Saints defense is 31st in the league.
Seattle is in the playoffs, not the Saints, because they have the #1 defense in the league.
You think if we switched Brees and Wilson, that the Brees-quarterbacked Seahawks don’t do as well? (Obviously they do as well.) You think the Wilson-quarterbacked Saints do better?
Yet the Saints are 2nd in passing attempts, 3rd in passing yards…while Seattle is 32nd in passing attempts, and 27th in yards.
No one says Wilson isn’t good or that he’s just average. But c’mon. They’re 1st on defense and 32nd in passing attempts. He has an ideal situation and isn’t asked to carry the team. I think that Seattle gets the same results with more than a dozen different qbs.
znModeratorThat’s a good DV interview.
znModeratorWilson is definitely a top 4 QB. They don’t ask more of him because they emphasize the run. Wilson can do it all.
Well we differ on that. I see nothing that tells me that he can do it all, at the level of a Luck. I see a lot of evidence that he’s a good fit for a running team with a top defense. I also think that you could put about 12-15 different qbs on the Seahawks and the result would be the same if not in some cases better.
January 12, 2015 at 7:21 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16378
znModeratorI can’t believe someone is posting that Shane Gray crap here.
Let’s be respectful…anyone can post anything, it’s all grist for the mill. Now Gray’s ARGUMENT, you can say what you like about that.
January 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16370
znModeratorand on top of that the cash flow will be even greater than at st louis considering the non football retail space.
We know the cash will increase. That was never in dispute. It’s a given.
The question was, whether or not that revenue will ever equal his expenses for moving, which I estimated conservatively at 2.5 billion. To get that back in ten years his NEW revenue must be 250 M a year, and it’s not going to be that.
So what that tells ME anyway is that the revenue can’t be the motive, it must be the value of the franchise. It’s worth more in LA.
But that’s not cash flow. But then I don’t think he cares about that as much.
January 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16366
znModeratorExcept I don’t see a guy like Kroenke keeping that $2 billion windfall on paper, well on paper. He would use it.
Well … for what? He doesn’t need the money. Even then that means he pays interest. I just don’t think his main thing is revenues in any way, shape or form.
I agree with Zooey at this point.
It’s value, and [owning] a big, bold, shiny thing. He gets to host Super Bowls and Olympics and World Cups and Stuff.
January 12, 2015 at 12:23 pm in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16354
znModeratorThere’s uncertainty at QB and a woeful offensive line.
Injured.
It’s different.
Replacing 2 interior linemen is not this huge challenge.
In fact, as a study I posted once shows, since 93 and the era of the cap and free agency, every NFL team changes OL starters at the rate of 3.5 every 2 years.
In that environment replacing 2 is nothing.
January 12, 2015 at 12:09 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16350
znModeratorI see it as a wash.
Then that gets me back to my original point.
I was just claiming that he is not moving FOR revenue. That’s not the motive. It can’t be. In terms of just generating revenue, his intake will never equal his expenses in his lifetime.
If it’s a wash, then we agree, the issue is not revenue.
The motive must just therefore be value. The franchise goes up in value, and plus is brighter and shinier. That’s what he cares about. That’s his thing.
Nothing else makes sense cause he’s not going to be making money off this, personally.
Whether or not he could afford to do that is beside the point. Yeah he can afford to pursue something with the sole purpose of increasing the on-paper value of his property. But see not everyone would do that. You do that if on-paper value is your holy grail.
January 12, 2015 at 11:42 am in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16344
znModeratorzn wrote:
I think his main thing is just the value of the franchise itself, which of course is not the same as cash flow.On paper value true except that he will be able to borrow against that increased value for an extremely low interest rate. It is the only guaranteed positive to come from a move to LA. Everything else is pure conjecture. In effect Kroenke will have created an instant $1.5-$2 billion credit line while not risking a dime of his own money. Simply put he keeps his personal $6 billion while getting up to an additional $2 billion in credit.
Well he bought the land, the stadium is privately financed, and he presumbly would owe a relocation fee.
Like I said that’s probably around 2.5 B out of his own pocked.
My point was simply that he won’t realize any cash flow that will = 2.5 B.
Meaning, he would not be moving to MAKE money. He’s SPENDING money to move.
His real issue IMO is just increasing the value of his investment.
Plus of course having a brighter shinier thing.
znModerator
Completed catch origins
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15382/morning-ram-blings-completed-catch-origins
Much of the discussion coming out of the NFL divisional playoff rounds this morning will center on the fourth-and-2 catch and subsequent non-catch by Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant in the closing moments of their loss to the Green Bay Packers.
For the few who might have missed it, the ruling on the field was that Bryant made the catch and was down at the 1-yard line. But Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy challenged the ruling with the idea that Bryant did not control the ball all the way through his landing on the ground. Indeed, the replay showed the ball hitting the ground as Bryant came down.
A huge play was overturned and the Packers ran out the clock to seal the win.
Of course, there was immediately plenty of outrage about the call and whether you agree with it or not, the debate isn’t so much about the call as it is the rule. Our resident officiating expert is NFL Nation columnist Kevin Seifert, who immediately filed some thoughts on the call.
No matter what side of the fence you fall on that debate, there’s no doubt that it will bring plenty of scrutiny to a rule that actually dates to the St. Louis Rams’ run to the Super Bowl XXXIV championship back in 1999-2000.
In that NFC Championship Game, the Rams were on the ropes against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As Tampa tried to drive for the potential winning points, an apparent 13-yard completion to receiver Bert Emanuel would have given the Bucs a first down at the Rams’ 22. But a review came down from the replay booth and it was determined that the nose of the ball touched the ground.
The call was overturned and the Bucs never got closer to the end zone as the Rams advanced to the Super Bowl. After the season, the NFL took steps to clarify what constitutes a catch, which has since been deemed the “Bert Emanuel rule.”
There have been plenty of other questionable calls similar to that play since, namely the Calvin Johnson catch against Chicago that was changed to an incompletion in 2010.
Some will argue that the Cowboys were the victims of karma for benefiting from a call last week against Detroit. Either way, it’s probably wise to expect the debate on what constitutes a catch to begin anew.
January 12, 2015 at 10:01 am in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16339
znModeratorYou mean he will enrich himself by more than a billion dollars, and not have to pay taxes on it because of the way the numbers look on paper?
I don’t know about any of that. But, I assume he has to pay a relocation fee (which is stiff) and of course there was buying the land, building the stadium, and moving the team. I am guessing that’s around 2.5 billion at least, all told.
I don’t think that any any revenue he gets annually from the facilities, the gate, the luxury boxes, and the “retail park” will add up to 2.5 billion in his lifetime.
I think his main thing is just the value of the franchise itself, which of course is not the same as cash flow.
znModeratorobody and I mean nobody in St Louis is trumpeting the ugly edifice that is Peacock’s proposal. Most telling is that the Governor and the Mayor didn’t bother to show either
Yes some are. It;s out there. There are of course clashing opinions on this too; yours and others.
znModeratorA poster that works hard on scouting, from Ram Stalk. They use blue font.
Except there, blue font is code for “while I am mildly puzzled, I am also a bit intrigued.”
I think.
znModeratorI don’t think that’s a catch.
January 11, 2015 at 5:28 pm in reply to: According to NFL.com Rex Ryan to coach the Buffalo Bills & Roman goes with him #16297
znModeratorIt’s interesting that Ryan and Fisher seem to prefer the same kinds of coordinatators.
What people say is true, though…Rex needs a qb.
znModeratorMy apology to Mack. I couldn’t delete the post so maybe a moderator can for me? Thanks.
Do you still want it deleted? (If so specify which post.) My feeling, though, is that you don’t have to worry about it. I think you made a simple misread and those just happen…among friends, like here, that’s just shrugged off. I will do as you wish but there’s no harm in just letting it sit, too. Up to you.
znModeratorTexts to sideline raise questions
The NFL is investigating whether text messages were sent to the Cleveland Browns’ sideline during games, league spokesman Michael Signora told ESPN.com on Friday.
Texting would be a violation of the NFL’s rules prohibiting electronic communication during games.
Signora did not elaborate except to say the league is looking into the matter.
“We are reviewing internally and will fully cooperate with the NFL on this matter,” the Browns said in a statement.
Though it’s not clear who sent the messages and who received them, a team source said the messages were subject of discussion among some players and coaches late in the season.
Cleveland.com originally reported the text messages were sent and said it was one issue in former offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan leaving the team. He perceived it as interference from the front office regarding coaching decisions.
Though no texts have become public, the messages regarded personnel decisions and play calls, the source said.
The league’s electronic devices rule states:
“This prohibition … applies to the use of any electronic communication devices, including but not limited to a cell phone, smart phone, tablet device, or any type of computer, whether online or stand-alone, including laptop and hand-held computers, in the coaches’ booths, on the sidelines, in the locker room (after kickoff), or in any other club-controlled area on game day beginning ninety (90) minutes prior to kickoff and continuing through the end of the game, including halftime (with the exception of League-issued tablets used for coaches’ still photos).
“Team doctors and members of the athletic training staff are permitted to use tablet devices, cell phones, smart phones, or similar devices within the bench area and locker room to communicate player injury information, but may not communicate competitive or strategic information.
“Club football operations staff members are permitted to use cell phones outside the coaches’ booths, bench areas, and locker rooms only when handling non-competitive and/or non-strategic communication.”
znModeratorHere’s my big insight from the Packers game.
That Aaron Rodgers guy, he’s pretty good.
I don’t get why Snisher didn’t draft him.
znModeratorThe 2015 list presents them with no issues.
How about 2016?
In 2016 they have right now about half the cap free, based on the estimate that 2016 cap space will be around 150 M. That doesn’t count 2 draft classes (2015 and 2016) or Wilson. I list only UFAs. I took Wilson off the list cause they’re obviously extending him. I also bolded the guys I think will be important priorities.
Russell Okung LT Seahawks UFA $8,083,333
Marshawn Lynch RB Seahawks UFA $7,500,000
Brandon Mebane DT Seahawks UFA $5,000,000
Zach Miller TE Seahawks UFA $3,000,000
Tony McDaniel DT Seahawks UFA $2,875,000
Bruce Irvin 43DE Seahawks Option $2,335,550
Jon Ryan P Seahawks UFA $1,516,667
Bobby Wagner ILB Seahawks UFA $1,076,950
Robert Turbin RB Seahawks UFA $639,114
Jeremy Lane CB Seahawks UFA $556,279
J.R. Sweezy OG Seahawks UFA $539,212The impression I get is that they handled the cap well and the Wilson contract will not bite them if they continue to draft at a high level.
The year they have to watch out for is 2017, when virtually their entire secondary (Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor) is up.
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znModeratorIt’ll be interesting to see how long Seattle keeps that D together, once they have to pay Wilson a real salary.
And I believe Seattle’s DC is leaving soon.
Well one DC has already left. This guy came in last year to replace Bradley (who went to coach the Jagz).
But the cap hit thing could be interesting.
I will look sometime and see who will be up in the next couple of years.
znModeratorMueller report criticizes NFL’s handling of Rice incident
Associated Press
Thursday, January 8, 2015
NEW YORK — The long-awaited Mueller report was released Thursday with no unexpected findings: the NFL initially botched the Ray Rice case and had a weak domestic abuse policy, but investigators found no evidence league officials saw tape of Rice hitting his fiancee before it was released.
Owners and executives were quick to say the league had learned from its mistakes and is solidly behind Commissioner Roger Goodell and changes he has made.
The report from a former FBI director hired to investigate said the league’s investigative system relied too much on information from law enforcement after the former Ravens running back knocked out his fiancee in an elevator at the Revel Casino Hotel in Atlantic City, N.J.
The 96-page report by Robert S. Mueller III said NFL employees might have been able to view the video of Rice hitting Janay Palmer before handing down the suspension had they tried harder.
“The NFL should have done more with the information it had and should have taken additional steps to obtain all available information about the Feb. 15 incident,” Mueller said in a statement.
The report said a review of league phone records and e-mails showed no evidence that employees had seen the video before it hit the Internet in September.
A law enforcement official showed the Associated Press videos of the incident and said he mailed a DVD to NFL headquarters in April. The officer played a 12-second voice mail from an NFL office number dated April 9, in which a woman verifies receipt of the DVD and says: “You’re right, it’s terrible.”
The league’s private investigation, without subpoena power, did not contact that law enforcement official. The official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to share the evidence, said Thursday he didn’t speak with NFL investigators.
Mueller found the NFL’s deference to the law enforcement process involving Rice “led to deficiencies in the league’s collection and analysis of information during its investigation,” essentially a de-emphasis on understanding precisely what happened.
“League investigators did not contact any of the police officers who investigated the incident, the Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office, or the Revel to attempt to obtain or view the in-elevator video or to obtain other information,” the report said.
znModeratorAlot of people are counting out Carolina in Seattle which in no surprise but Carolina matches up well with Seattle.
So much for that.
Another bold prediction flattened by reality.
January 11, 2015 at 1:32 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16270
znModeratorwell forget about the gate money. what about the rest of the property, and the money he stands to gain from that? restaurants, shops, concerts, other sporting events besides the nfl.
i don’t know. i think there’s way more potential for him. not the nfl but for him. than in st. louis. a lot of tech companies sprouting up around that area and that means money money money…
I do not know if the proceeds from having a “retail park” even balances the costs of moving, in his lifetime.
January 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16266
znModeratorIt’s not about what he can afford. It’s about return on investment. The St. Louis deal would cost less of Stan’s money, but the return isn’t as great either. The value of the Rams doesn’t go up anywhere near as much, and he wouldn’t control the revenue streams that come from the use of the facility.
Well, you only get so much of the revenue stream–the NFL shares its gate money. And it even shares the luxury box money. So, while there will probably be an increase in both, it’s not like it will even balance out the costs of moving in SK’s lifetime.
And the value thing is interesting.
SK personally realizes no financial gain in his lifetime from the increased value. Unless he sells in 4 years when he’s 66.
The allure is simply the value itself.
Which is weird.
To me that’s a compulsion. To overlook any other consideration BECAUSE he has a chance to increase the on-paper value of his property? It just looks like a guy who is driven by that consideration alone, at the expense of other considerations.
In other words, it’s like he trades up for Park Place but doesn’t get rent from it. It’s just owning Park Place that gets him off.
January 11, 2015 at 12:46 pm in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16265
znModeratorwv wrote:
Well in any of Fisher’s gazillion years
in Tennessee, did he use a predominantly zone blocking scheme?…i wonder if he thinks that ZBS fits Tre Mason better.
w
vI don’t think it makes much difference. It seems all the teams use parts of different things. Nothing is pure anymore. 4-3 3-4, zone power, west coast not west coast, they all seems to include parts of each other. It is more about philosophy. imo
Well that’s not really the case though with the Shanahan/Kubiak circle. They use predominantly zone schemes, far more than anyone else. It’s not the “mixed bag” you see with most teams. And the Rams under Schott were predominantly a power blocking scheme.
There would be a marked difference. The Shan/Kub circle just runs zone blocking far more than other teams–it’s their thing. It’s their signature.
znModeratorUm…what “sources” would tell a reporter that the seahawks
are gonna make Wilson the highest paid QB ?I doubt he gets more than Rogers got.
w
vWell it will be easy enough to see that when the deal is done.
First the basics. 2nd contracts for qbs work this way…they get more or less the avg. of OTHER starting qbs in their 2nd contract. That avg. goes up across time.
So it depends heavily on the year they come up. So far that avg. is around 19 M…based on the most recent deals.
In 2013 Rodgers got a deal that avgs. 22 M. That’s the highest yearly avg. amount so far, though of course that wasn’t a 2nd contract. (It still contributes to the overall avg,. though).
Now is it possible that the avg. in 2015 is higher? Sure, yeah, it is possible. But of course until someone signs, we don’t know yet.
What DOESN’T happen with these deals is that someone says, you are worth or have earned this amount. It’s not value. It’s the market. The market decides the average and the market goes up a bit each year.
znModeratorWhy Pygmies Aren’t Scared By The ‘Psycho’ Theme
In many ways, music and emotion almost seem interchangeable.
Try listening to the Star Wars’ Cantina Band song without smiling, or to the Psycho soundtrack without feeling a little tense.
But what if you had never heard Western music before. Would these songs still make you feel the same way?
Scientists at McGill University and the University of Montreal got the rare opportunity to answer that question. Their findings, published Wednesday in Frontiers in Psychology, suggest that music isn’t always a universal language.
Deep in the rain forest of the Democratic Republic of Congo, a group of Pygmies lives in near isolation from Western culture. The Mbenzele Pygmies don’t have electricity, radios or cellphones. Many have never heard a note of Brahms or the beat of Beyonce.
On a trip to Congo, anthropologist Nathalie Fernando of the University of Montreal played 11 excerpts of Western songs to 40 Pygmies. Some songs, such as “Cantina,” trigger positive feelings in Westerners. Others, like the Psycho theme or Richard Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde, trigger negative or sad feelings in Westerners.
But the Pygmies didn’t hear the music that way.
The emotional cues in songs, which Westerners pick up on, didn’t mean the same to the Pygmies: They didn’t hear the shrieking strings of the Psycho theme as stressful or the minor chords in Wagner’s Tristan as sad.
“The emotional response to this music was all over the map,” says neuroscientist Stephen McAdams of McGill University, who co-authored the study with Fernando. “The idea of music being a universal language, I don’t really buy it. Some aspects of the emotional response are very specific to that culture.”
Next Fernando had the Pygmies rate their own culture’s music for its emotional quality. Across the board, the Pygmies said all their songs made them feel good — even a song composed for a funeral.
“All of their music is generally upbeat, playful,” says McAdams. The culture just doesn’t have sad songs, he says.
“In the West, we expect to have negative emotions sometimes. We even seek them sometimes,” McAdams says. “When I’m feeling sad, and I really want to enhance it, I’ll put on some sad music.”
But in the Pygmy culture, sad feelings aren’t accepted. “They generally try to get rid of negative emotions by singing happy music,” McAdams says. “One of the main roles of music in their culture is to evacuate bad feelings.”
The Mbenzele Pygmies are known for their rich, complex music. Everyone in the community is a musician, McAdams says. They sing, dance and play instruments, starting at a young age.
“How they think about music is very different from how Westerners think about music,” Fernando said in an email to Goats and Soda. “The Pygmies do not use music to express emotions. It’s not sentimental.”
As hunter-gatherers, the Pygmies depend on the forest for their livelihood. “They feel they have an unwavering relationship with the forest,” Fernando says. “Music is the vital force that links them to the forest, like an umbilical cord.”
That’s why songs must be upbeat, joyful, she says: “Positive energy is used to maintain relations with the spirits that live in the forest. So music should inspire positive energy.”
The Pygmies use music — and positive energy — to help accomplish tasks and overcome problems, Fernando says. “There’s music for each of the daily activities: hunting, fishing, gathering, mourning,” Fernando writes. If there’s a disagreement in the community, music is brought in to fix it.
So are Pygmies always in a good mood?
“They can cry, but not while singing,” Fernando says. “They sing to pass through the tears.”
January 11, 2015 at 12:53 am in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16225
znModeratorfrom off the net
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jrry32
Schotty was better here than he was given credit for and he’ll probably do extremely well at UGA and end up with a head coaching gig. Look at how Cam Cameron is doing in college…and he was a 10x worse NFL OC than Schotty. Schotty is no Sean Payton but he’ll be successful at the college level.
Some guys just aren’t rational when it comes to Schotty. Lets also not forget that Schotty was the QB Coach in San Diego while Brees and Rivers were there. Bradford’s mechanics, pocket presence, and pocket movement all improved under Schotty. And his stats have been on the upswing since Schotty arrived.(TD to Int ratio improved dramatically over each of Bradford’s first three 8 week periods with Schotty/Cignetti).
I would like the Kyle Shanahan hire. If it’s not Shanahan, it’s Boras IMO.
Top 10 offense in Houston with Schaub. Top 5 offense in Washington with RGIII. And Cleveland’s offense looked somewhat decent this year with nothing until Hoyer turned to garbage.
Although, I’m not sure how the blocking scheme will work seeing as Boudreau is more of a PBS guy and Shanny is a ZBS guy.
Just requires guys with lateral agility that can cut. Auburn ran some zone in college. Robinson fits either scheme. Saffold fits either scheme as well. Plenty of athleticism. Saffold was destroying people while pulling last year. He’s a former LT. He has the feet to play in a ZBS at OG. But if we go to a zone heavy scheme, Barksdale, I’m not sure he fits. But the other two both have the feet, imo, to handle a ZBS.
znModeratorMy guess is that he ends up someplace.
He may be too old to do that. Lebeau is 78.
To give you some sense of how old that is, he played at Ohio State for Woody Hayes. He was drafted by the NFL in 1959. He went on to play for Detroit, where he was in the same secondary with Night Train Lane.
He be old.
znModeratorYeah, I agree. I think Schotty was under-appreciated. He was a good coach. Note how the Rams offense often got off to a quick start. For example they ranked among the best in the league at scoring on their first possession. I think that speaks to Schotty’s understanding of how to dissect and attack a defense. However, despite adjustments, in the second half they would begin to fade. The third string QB, the reshuffled o-line, the lack of experience and inconsistency at receiver – eventually that will catch up with you. Especially when you are facing the murderers’ row of defenses the Rams faced…Seattle, San Fran, Arizona, etc…
Yes, it’s more like once the defense figured the offense out, the Rams had only so many counters, especially after the Chiefs game, which is the game where their OL got all banged up to hell.
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