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znModeratorA couple of formerly prominent Rams coaches headed to the Giants. Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator, Tim Walton as secondary coach.
And I bet both do well.
znModeratorThe Story of Algebra, Part 1. What is Algebra?
znModeratorFwiw, Gase runs the same system McD does. The Earhardt-Perkins.
So unless they dig up an obscure 4th system, chances are, the offense they run in 2015 will be a system they’ve already run. 1 of the big 3 systems common in the NFL: WC0, Earhardt-Perkins, Coryell.
znModeratorDo they need a right tackle?
Maybe they will. Depends on Joe B.
But if they DO, put me down as nervous about the idea of fielding a rookie right tackle and a sophomore left tackle.
znModeratorZN has assured us that OL ain’t a hard fix.
Well, no…OLs ARE hard to fix.
Usually. What I said was that if Saffold returns, and they keep Barksdale, filling in a guard and a center are not hard to do. There are any number of ways to do it.
But in GENERAL yes an OL is hard to fix.
I was just saying that THIS PARTICULAR FIX (assuming all they need is a guard and a center) is not hard.
In terms of Saffold’s shoulder, all this came out last summer when he returned to the Rams after being rejected by Oakland. At the time the Rams said that as was, his shoulder condition was known and was fine. He did re-injure it, but that was not something predictable. In other words, it was not inevitable that he would suffer a collision or trauma that would re-injure it. As I said, that was all out there in the open last summer.
znModeratorCardale not entering the Draft
http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/ohio-state-qb-cardale-jones-announces-hes-returning
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Ohio State QB Cardale Jones says 2015 NFL Draft was ‘out of the question’ for him after 3 career starts
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/ohio_state_qb_cardale_jones_de.html
After just three career starts, Cardale Jones will not enter the 2015 NFL Draft, the Ohio State quarterback announced on Thursday from Cleveland Ginn Academy, where he attended high school.
Prior to his announcement, which aired live on ESPN, the third-year sophomore referred to it as a “life changing decision” on his Twitter account.
Many thought the 6-foot-5, 250-pound dual-threat would try to become one of the least experienced quarterbacks to ever be drafted.
Matt Cassel, of the Minnesota Vikings, is the only quarterback to ever be drafted with fewer starts than Jones, according to ESPN.
The seventh round pick never started a game for USC, as he spent his entire college career playing behind Heisman Trophy winners Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart.
Jones began the 2014 season as Ohio State’s third-string quarterback. It was not until Heisman candidates Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett each suffered injuries that Jones was thrust into action.
Making his first start last month, the Cleveland native led the Buckeyes to a Big Ten Championship with a 59-0 win over Wisconsin.
He followed that up by taking down then-top-ranked Alabama, 42-35, in the Rose Bowl semifinal.
Jones completed his redshirt sophomore season as a national champion, as Ohio State beat Oregon, 42-20, to claim its first title since 2002.
January 15, 2015 at 4:29 pm in reply to: Rams led all teams w/3 players selected to Pro Football Writers all-rookie team #16593znModeratorEpic Draft – good job!
Yeah. Purrty amazing really.
And we don’t know the full extent of it yet.
znModeratorRams seek interview with Adam Gase
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/
EARTH CITY, Mo. — After a last-minute change of heart by the San Francisco 49ers left Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase without their head-coaching position, he’s quickly become one of the hottest commodities on the coaching market.
And the St. Louis Rams apparently moved quickly to express interest Thursday morning, as ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported the Rams have requested an offensive coordinator interview with Gase.
Gase would obviously have plenty of appeal for the Rams, and they are absolutely doing the right thing by seeking an interview with him. While some like to solely credit Peyton Manning for Denver’s offensive success, Manning often points to Gase as one of his favorite coaches and speaks highly of Gase at every turn. With Gase in charge of the offense, the Broncos set NFL offensive records in 2013 and finished second in the league in scoring and fourth in total offense in 2014.
The question isn’t whether Gase would be a good hire so much as it is whether the Rams can land him. In that regard, there is no shortage of competition.
The 49ers reached out to Gase to make him offensive coordinator after passing him over for the head-coaching job, and the Broncos spent time with Gase on Wednesday discussing their head-coaching job. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Oakland Raiders have also expressed at least some level of interest in Gase for their offensive coordinator openings.
And it’s the Atlanta Falcons that seem to loom largest in this. The Falcons have already interviewed Gase for their head-coaching job, and though it appears they prefer either Detroit defensive coordinator Teryl Austin or Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn for that job, both coaches have expressed interest in bringing in Gase as offensive coordinator. To that end, the Falcons are expected to put in a formal interview request with Gase for the offensive coordinator position.
Clearly, that might just be a matter of housekeeping since Atlanta has already talked to him and knows him from the interview for the head-coaching job. With a quarterback in Matt Ryan and other talented young pieces like receiver Julio Jones and offensive lineman Jake Matthews in place in Atlanta — combined with the Rams’ potential relocation hovering over the franchise to go with a coaching staff that needs to win in 2015 — the Falcons would seem to be the more appealing job.
Of course, if the Rams’ re-hiring of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams last year taught us anything about the coaching carousel, it’s to never rule anything out. Things can always change, so we can’t categorically say the Rams won’t be a player here.
But where things stand now, it would seem things will indeed have to change for the Rams to have a chance to land Gase
January 15, 2015 at 3:53 pm in reply to: 101, 1/14… John Clayton, Roland Williams, Mark Schlereth #16581znModeratorRoland The Headless Thompson Gunner?
I think I met him.
znModeratori thought elway fired fox due to a personality conflict?
I haven’t heard too much about that. What’s the story?
znModeratorI would have liked Stanley.
znModeratorBad-Bernie gives us the “Heads need to Roll!” schtick.
I thought it had a certain “n’est pas” to it, ya know?
A kind of “aburrido terquedad” if you will.
znModeratorThat was a good read.
Btw look at the chart. Anything odd, anything
dont quite fit ?
—————————Year/Team PPG No.2 PPG Avg. PPG
’14 Seahawks 15.9 17.6 22.6
’13 Seahawks* 14.4 15.1 23.4
’08 Steelers* 13.9 14.6 22.0
’02 Bucs* 12.3 15.1 21.7
’00 Ravens* 10.3 11.9 20.7
’85 Bears* 12.4 16.4 21.5
’77 Falcons 9.2 10.4 17.1
’76 Steelers 9.9 12.6 19.2
’75 Rams 9.6 11.6 20.6
’71 Vikings 9.9 10.0 19.3*Won Super Bowl ^NFL record
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com
——————77 Falcons? WTF? Nobody ever
mentions them in “Greatest Defenses”
conversations. And yet look who has the best
numbers.w
vYep. That was the year of the Grits Blitz.
znModeratorI don’t agree. Wilson fits a scheme. He gets to qb a team that is 32nd in passing attempts and 27th in passing yards, but 1st in defense and 4th in rushing attempts.
Subtract Lynch from that offense and make it a decent and not great defense, and Wilson is far more exposed.
I can name 7-8 better and it’s not splitting hairs, they’re better.
Brady
Luck
Rogers – give u those guys.I feel the next tier (Brees, Rivers, Rothlisberger, Flacco, P. Manning (at his age) are all very even if not under Rusty Wilson. Debatable. Course there is always the wonder boy A. Davis…
All this is of course IMO, as is the nature of value judgements. Anyway I think those other guys you list (all of them) make their offenses go by throwing the ball.
Wilson complements his offense and defense, and has nowhere near the pressure to come through pass by pass those guys do.
znModeratorWilson makes that O go. You could argue Lynch, but I think Wilson is the man is Seattle – we will find out more over the next two weeks and next season when Lynch is likely gone. Dude makes plays when things break down – is the BEST running QB in the league and a great passer – reminds me of Steve Young. He is a top 5 QB. Name 5 better and its splitting hairs.
I don’t agree. Wilson fits a scheme. He gets to qb a team that is 32nd in passing attempts and 27th in passing yards, but 1st in defense and 4th in rushing attempts.
Subtract Lynch from that offense and make it a decent and not great defense, and Wilson is far more exposed.
I can name 7-8 better and it’s not splitting hairs, they’re better.
znModeratorSitting their hands is more of a guarantee of losing IMO. Who is out there that is less of a risk? Cutler? Some journeyman? More Hill or Davis? No thanks.
You have less of a chance of getting a qb by reaching.
At least if you don’t reach in the draft, you get to use that pick on something else, something good.
Meanwhile, honestly, you have a better statistical chance of winning games with a journeyman like Hill than you have with a qb you get by reaching in the draft.
znModeratorI would rather they roll the dice at 10 than trade picks or mortgage the future to move up. Sick of losing.
Except reaching for a qb is more or less a guarantee of losing.
znModeratorBut the Rams don’t have a lot of choice really.
Yeah they do.
They can not reach for a qb.
That way, they can end up 7-9 with a more talented team while waiting to find a qb, ASSUMING Bradford does not work out.
Or they can end up 7-9 with a LESS talented team having reached for a qb, ASSUMING Bradford does not work out.
The chances of REACHING for a qb out of need? The odds against that are just so great it’s not worth contemplating.
So yeah they have a choice.
January 14, 2015 at 9:36 am in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16482znModeratorArticle Launched: 07/16/2007 10:49:19 PM PDT
Hey CL. Articles posted here need links. I searched the net and found a link I inserted via edit.
znModeratorI think this kid is a perfect fit for the Rams situation. He sits behind Sam till Sam gets hurt. I’d take him at 10 – OL/BPA rest of the way. Weird situation with this kid – he likely rides the pine at OSU yet he has the physical make-up to be a stud. He might as well make bank for his family and sit on the Ram’s bench (wherever that may be). Raw as hell but an impressive 3 game run. I would jump on him – seems like a Fisher type QB. I bet he has really strong pinkies too.
Not so sure. Too little info about him. They say he may not even be the starter at OSU next year if he stays. The negative on him: he might be a system qb and it’s hard enough to tell that after a lot of games let alone 3. And they say he has maturity issues,and no one knows yet if he’s a natural worker. So far he hasn’t earned anything, he got there because of injuries.
January 13, 2015 at 11:56 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16469znModeratorto me that’s still significant. and it’s definitely a factor. and i still think it’s a conservative estimate.
Board wars like this one are always so tragic.
znModeratorHe can be stopped. Rather readily, if you can hold up to that running game. So, to me, he remains a 2nd tier QB.
But all this is academic. ON A GOOD TEAM–such as his Hawks–Wilson can win, and win, and win. And it’s hard to argue against that.
I think that was all well put. You sum up this view pretty well I think.
January 13, 2015 at 11:15 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16465znModeratormaybe he could make 50 million more in revenue with a los angeles team compared to a st. louis team. and i think that’s being conservative. so over 10 years that would be 500 million. plus 500 million he could raise in psls.
so maybe 1 billion dollars in ten years. again being very conservative.
But then the move and all associated expenses plus building the stadium etc. is about 2.5 billion, at least.
January 13, 2015 at 10:22 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16458znModeratori don’t know. i have no idea.
Well just using speculative guess-timates, that’s how much revenue he would have to draw in (after expenses) to make back what he spends to build and move. That is, make it back within 10 years.
znModeratorNot everyone dispised Georgia. I didn’t.
January 13, 2015 at 9:58 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16454znModeratori don’t think we have any idea what kind of revenues he can get from building this. thing.
i still think it’s an issue. i think the potential for revenue compared to st. louis is a lot higher than we can imagine. it’s not just nfl games.
it’s concerts. it’s other sporting events. corporate sponsorships. i know st. louis said it’s got plenty of corporate partners in st. louis, but it’ll be nothing like what’s available in los angeles.
i don’t think it’s JUST about the value of the franchise.
Do you think he will make 250 M a year from all those things combined?
January 13, 2015 at 9:26 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16452znModeratorno. if he gets the psl’s he’s expecting. it might essentially pay for the move. AND the value of the team increases. AND he gets increased revenue.
so he does get his money back. with the psl’s, it’s possible he doesn’t have to pay any of that relocation fee or building of the stadium out of his own pocket.
No I did the math on that. It would not pay for the move. But see he doesn’t care about paying for the move so it;s just not an issue.
The relocation fee is its own issue. If the league waives it, the costs of moving and building are still greater than what he would get in new revenues. It would take YEARS to get back the money he would spend to build there and get the team there. So obviously he does not care about that part of it.
January 13, 2015 at 9:03 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16450znModeratorwell there ya go.
that’s how he would make his money back.
st. louis is in a real bind here. the only way i see the rams staying at this point is if the broncos do go on sale this year, and kroenke is inclined to sell the rams quick.
also.
With a new TV contract that started this year and runs through 2021, the league won’t see much immediate financial impact from a move of any team to Los Angeles.
is that what owners are waiting for? would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract? well. all the more reason the league wants a team or two there.
I.R. he gets that money anyway, whether he moves or not. Same as all owners.
That has nothing to do with the revenue v. team value issue.
That issue is simple. It costs X amount to move and build a new stadium and pay the league relocation fee. No increase in revenue from moving will pay him back that X amount in his lifetime. All that’s just true. But I then suggested that the fact that LA revenues will never re-pay the X amount for moving means he does not care about that part of it. What he cares about is having his franchise be worth more, on paper.
And so he does not care about getting his money back. He cares about his team having a higher value. Why? Pride thing. Biggest fish caught on the fishing trip. That kind of thing.
Every team gets tv revenue, it’s not related to the moving issue.
Looking at it this way means he doesn’t care if he makes back the money he spends to relocate. It’s just not the real issue for him.
would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract?
Well probably not. Everyone in LA who wants to watch pro football, already DOES. Moving a team there changes nothing in that respect.
The league does not really make more money just cause a team is in LA. There may be a couple of million more per team from the gate, and that’s chicken feed and besides it is not certain that would be true. So “making more money” has nothing to do with any of this as far as the league is concerned. Not from the tv contract, not from the gate, nothing. None of this does anything significant to change how much money the league makes.
January 13, 2015 at 7:37 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16440znModeratorJerry Jones on the Rams and L.A.
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Earlier Tuesday, we opened the Morning Ram-blings in this space with a look at a story from the SportsBusiness Journal citing unnamed sources in the San Diego Chargers’ organization offering thoughts on St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke relocating his team to Los Angeles.
But that wasn’t the only story citing a higher-up in a team in the league discussing the move. In fact, there was one of the highest of higher-ups with his name attached to a New York Times story posted Monday evening. In this case, it was Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones speaking to the New York Times. (The part with Jones and the Rams is about halfway down).
Fans hoping the Rams will stay in St. Louis probably won’t like what Jones had to say. Speaking to reporter Ken Belson, Jones made it clear he believes Kroenke and the Rams can and will relocate if that’s truly what they want to do, even if the league’s preference would be for them to stay.
“As it would turn out now, apart from the league saying no, you can move there,” Jones told the New York Times. “Keep in mind that teams have moved without the permission of the league. They just have.”
Jones went on to add that Kroenke can move even if the league says he can’t and that “there are just certain things that clubs can do.”
Jones would know better than most that there are certain things that clubs can do. Way back in 1995, Jones drew the ire of the league for signing a 10-year deal to make Pepsi the official soft drink of Texas Stadium even though Coca-Cola was the official league drink at the time. The move led to the league suing Jones for $300 million for violation of the league’s revenue sharing model and he counter-sued for $750 million.
Neither suit made it far as the league and its owners actually realized Jones’ plan was a good way for teams to add revenue. Jones was simply ahead of his time.
Having Jones come out and make such statements guarantees nothing but it’s certainly worth noting any time one of the league’s biggest power brokers speaks up. While St. Louis now has a stadium plan on the table and Kroenke has one in Los Angeles, much of what happens next could fall into the league’s hands. But Kroenke will have a major say in the matter as well.
I’ve seen it written or heard it said that no team has ever left an NFL city with an accepted stadium proposal on the table in its current place. But that doesn’t mean much if Kroenke turns down the proposal here. The St. Louis plan asks him to pay about $450 million ($200 million of which would come in the form of a loan but have to be paid back via revenue from premium seating ). The NFL can’t force Kroenke to pay that money here or anywhere. If he turns down the St. Louis offer, there is no “accepted” stadium proposal.
One of the biggest questions in this whole thing is where the league will ultimately stand on the Rams’ future. The NFL does have a little leverage should it or nine owners decide to challenge a potential move because Kroenke is still in violation of cross ownership rules. And there are possible penalties for an owner who decides to move without league permission such as withholding of shares of league revenue. For what it’s worth Dave Peacock and the St. Louis group believes the NFL will enforce its guidelines on relocation before allowing a Kroenke move.
But as Jones pointed out, if Kroenke wants his end game to be a move to Los Angeles, there are ways to make it happen even if the league isn’t on board.
January 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm in reply to: Rams led all teams w/3 players selected to Pro Football Writers all-rookie team #16439znModeratorAaron Donald named PFWA Defensive Rookie of the Year
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The honors and awards that Aaron Donald became so accustomed to during his senior year at Pittsburgh continue to roll in after his first NFL season.
On Tuesday, the Pro Football Writers of America named Donald the 2014 Defensive Rookie of the Year and a member of the All-Rookie team. Donald has already earned similar honors from Pro Football Focus, Sports Illustrated and elsewhere and is considered a strong favorite to take home the “official” award from the Associated Press at the NFL honors presentation on Jan. 31.
Donald led all rookies with nine sacks this past season, a total that ranked second amongst all defensive tackles only behind Buffalo’s Marcell Dareus and the sixth most by a rookie defensive tackle since sacks became an official statistic in 1982.
Donald wasn’t the only Rams rookie to garner some love from the PFWA on Tuesday. Cornerback E.J. Gaines and running back Tre Mason also earned spots on the All-Rookie team.
Gaines was a bit of a revelation for the Rams after stepping into the starting lineup because of preseason injuries. He never relinquished that spot until a concussion put him on the sidelines in the final week. Before that, he led the Rams with 14 passes defended and posted two interceptions and two fumble recoveries all while vacillating between outside and nickel corner.
Mason emerged as the starter at running back in the middle of the season and likely won’t give the job back. He rushed for 765 yards and his five touchdowns were tied for most on the team.
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