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You can really tell it is a slow period for NFL writers.
How many of Wagoner’s “time for xxxxx to produce” pieces have we had now?
I think Wagoner feels he has to produce.
Though…it is a young team, and there are a lot of questions. Jenkins, Johnson, McGee, Joyner, Gaines, Alexander, McCleod, McDonald, Ogletree, Brockers, Donald, Robinson, Jones, Bradford, Quick, Givens, Austin, Bailey, Stacy, Mason, Pead…who did I leave out?
So Wagoner can mine this vein for weeks if he wants.
July 18, 2014 at 3:41 pm in reply to: 101, Timmerman on Warner/Favre, Bruce on Vermeil/99, Farr on RR Armstrong #1960znModeratorFarr on the Wms defense: “it’s a safety-making defense.” Safeties are set up to do well in this D.
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znModeratorRemember, that’s inside LBs, 3/4 & 4/3 combined. Off the top of my head I think there are 15 3/4 defenses in the league, so that’s around 47 starting inside LBs in the league.
znModeratorRockRam
Bradford is not soft physically or mentally.
However he doesn’t exhibit an ability to improvise much.I think Bradford’s demeanor is not to take many risks, and to operate squarely in the middle of the system.
When the play breaks down, he doesn’t exhibit much ability to make lemonade from lemons.That said, that doesn’t mean that he is soft or incapable of taking the Rams to the Superbowl.
It means that the system MUST revolve around what he does best, and avoid what he can’t do.He needs a pretty clean pocket, because he is a pocket QB.
He needs WRs to get open, because his conservative nature doesn’t allow him to throw it up for grabs (although, if he had a guy who won most 50/50 balls he might).
He needs a strong running game, and an oline that can keep his feet clean.
He needs to be able to step UP into the pocket.
He needs to only have to throw on average 20 times per game.
He needs a play action pass scheme.
He needs very good WRs who can get open and hang onto the ball; if he only has 1 who is reliable, that’s who he’ll look for first every time (Danny Amendola and before him Clayton).He CAN roll out, either way, but because he’s conservative whenever he rolls out he’ll only throw to that side of the field and not across his body to the opposite side.
He CAN audible the Rams out of bad plays.
He CAN move the ball down the field fast in a fast pace, when asked to.
He CAN make accurate throws at every distance.
He CAN make every throw because he has the arm strength.
He CAN read defenses.
He CAN translate an offensive game plan to the field.
He CAN have patience and not get flustered.
He CAN get rid the ball quickly (fast release).He can NOT win a game with his feet.
He can NOT improvise.
He can NOT throw a guy open.
He can NOT move around in the pocket very well or buy time.
He can NOT be a fiery vocal leader.
He can NOT carry himself with a swagger and challenge his opponent that way.
He can NOT throw 35 times per game, in a past first offense, and survive let alone win consistently.
He can NOT elevate the team by himself ala Rogers, Brady, P. Manning.
He can NOT be a gunslinger who can throw 4 or 5 INTs ala Favre, and maintain a “what the hell” persona and a true personal confidence.This is who Sam is, what he needs, and what he can and cannot do.
If Schotty will design an offense for this, and he has the players to support him, he can lead us to the playoffs.
znModeratorGrits–as per my custom, I am going to collect all of the Rams to LA posts into one thread. That is, rather than a few different threads on the same issue, it’s better to have one that keeps getting added to. I won’t do it though till I hear from you. Do you have a title you want to give that thread? Thanks…zn
znModeratorSo we have a former player saying Bradford is “soft”
and a former NFL QB saying Bradford lacks ‘courage’.w
vHere’s my response. Would anyone think either thing if they had not heard those words from 2 guys?
In this vid, watch Bradford on the throw to Cook starting at 5:55 in. That’s against Houston, which ended the season as a top 7 defense and before the Rams game was ranked 2nd.
znModeratorSays Bradford seems to lack courage.
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znModeratorThere you go.
I detect a theme.
znModeratorPesci1108
So, about Bradford being soft… and subsequent talk about his “leadership style” got me to thinking.
To me, Leaders come in all shapes… and sizes… and with different demeanors…
I think they just have a certain aura about them… others around them pick up on it and “feel” a certain sense that the person can guide them to success.
Kurt Warner was a pretty reserved guy IIRC. But he gave off that aura that had the rest of the team believing.
But, think about those championship teams the Rams had back then. It wasn’t all laid on Warner’s doorstep to lead. They had multiple leaders.. Faulk, Holt, Bruce… and others.
Now, think about today’s Rams.
Are there any true leaders on this team? Anything that approaches the names above? Not just on offense… defense too.
Then, I got to thinking… is it because they are such a young team? None of them feel comfotable enough yet to break out as the leader? Heck, most of them are still trying to learn the NFL game.
So… who are the leaders on this team?
I can only come up with a couple names…
On offense, Jake Long?
On defense, maybe Chris Long? Maybe Lauriniaitis?znModeratorRunning backs coach Ben Sirmans told the Post-Dispatch, “Sometimes you wish you would’ve figured out what you had a little earlier. Based off Zac’s success at Vanderbilt in the top conference in college football, we knew he had talent. But he was a little banged up in camp, and we had Daryl and Isaiah getting the bulk of the reps. They were the guys we’d seen, guys who had actually played in the NFL.
In response to the above:
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Torry Holt said that is exactly what Fisher told him as well
znModeratorI kind of feel like RB, QB, and to a less confident degree, the OL, will be considered real strengths.
Hey I just found out that if you use your cursor to blue out part of a previous text then hit quote, it quotes only the selected text.
But anyway on to less serious matters.
Yes, I agree that those 3 things are possible, myself. It’s a bold statement on your part. I assume though that you are still in good with the football gods?
July 17, 2014 at 4:01 pm in reply to: Nick Wagoner: three biggest issues facing the Rams heading into training camp #1907znModeratorYeah that’s a pretty good “reduce it to 3 issues” way to approach it.
Plus I like how Wagoner puts this:
The Rams have clearly abandoned the spread approach they were installing this time last year, but they will almost certainly be more balanced than they were after Bradford’s injury in 2013.
Fwiw the Pass/run ratio with Clemens was 26.8 P to 39.2 R
That’s 40.6% passing.
I’ve said before that I think they will be around 58% passing with Bradford.
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znModeratorPrometheus Faulk
The team lacked a true running threat in the first 4 of 7 games last year because Stacy was still working on some things and couldn’t get on the field (when I went to TC, it looked to me he had some issues with ball security, I’d suspect that may have been the culprit).
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So, why did it take as long as it did for him to get his opportunity? Running backs coach Ben Sirmans told the Post-Dispatch, “Sometimes you wish you would’ve figured out what you had a little earlier. Based off Zac’s success at Vanderbilt in the top conference in college football, we knew he had talent. But he was a little banged up in camp, and we had Daryl and Isaiah getting the bulk of the reps. They were the guys we’d seen, guys who had actually played in the NFL.
“It can be really difficult to get a true indication of what you have in a player until you see him in live situations.”
====================Makes sense. Lotta things happened. Richardson hurt the toe in game one. SF and Dallas defenses
played really well. Neither Pead or Bennie C really stepped up. I think Bennie was hurt too, maybe.
And then Stacy gets to start against the Worst (by far) team in the NFL at that time.I think Stacey is a topnotch back when he’s healthy. Very impressed with him.
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vPlus this is about the time Pead got doghoused, apparently or reportedly.
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znModeratorWagoner: Time for Chris Givens to produce
Again.
I have to admit I don’t have high hopes.
I would be content if he turned out to be a decent role player.
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znModeratorEdwinRams2
That Arthur Ash award to Michael Sam was pretty cool.
They did this long segment on Michael Sam’s life that was pretty cool. When they showed the Rams part that was really cool! Also when they showed the arch that was awesome. Fisher and Snead were sitting right behind him. You get this feeling that the Rams are gonna be awesome this year! Go Rams!
Huge Akmann
Very cool, indeed. Michael’s speech was heartfelt and inspirational, especially when he mentioned talking his friend’s gay sister out of committing suicide. I think Arthur Ashe would have been very proud that Sam received the award tonight. Mizzou and the Rams deserve to be proud too.
znModeratorHistorically, Bradford hasn’t done well against Seattle. The Rams are 2-4 against them with him playing qb. He has more INTs against them than TDs (4 T, 6 I). He has a completion percentage (avg) of around 55%, and a qb rating (avg) of around 64.3.
znModeratorYeah I am ahead of you. Look back at the post just before yours. I already said later on in the thread that though at first I thought he meant Bradford, the 2nd time around when I did the transcript, I realized he probably meant Austin.
I wonder if he means ‘mentally’ soft, like he can be intimidated — or does he mean, Bradford’s body
is easily taken-out.w
vI couldn’t quite figure out what he meant. He seems to say both things. One is that he kind of looks “soft,” meaning his demeanor or his look, or something. Another is that they can jam his receivers and blitz him and it throws his game off. Or maybe he meant both things.
znModerator<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>
On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”
He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.
That’s misreported. Listen to the vid in the original post. He doesn’t quite say that and he says more than that (that’s positive). He ends by saying when the game slows down for him a bit, his career will take off.
The vid is a bit different from how the article represents it.
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I think he was talking about Tavon. When the game slows down for Tavon his career will take off.
He wasn’t talking about Bradford at that point.Ryan Van Bibber said something about this being ‘trash talk’ btw. I dont see Robinson’s view
as ‘trash talk’ at all. He really does simply think Bradford is a bit soft.w
vYeah I am ahead of you. Look back at the post just before yours. I already said later on in the thread that though at first I thought he meant Bradford, the 2nd time around when I did the transcript, I realized he probably meant Austin.
znModeratorI was wrong earlier when I say that Robinson’s words were misreported. When I first heart it I thought the “slow the game down in his brain” remark referred to Bradford, but now I think it refers to Austin.
znModeratorNFL guys going against St. Louis…what do you think of Sam Bradford?
I’ll give it to you straight…a little soft. I said it even when he was coming into the league, I don’t know, maybe it’s his look or his body … just a little soft… we know that we can send the dogs after him and he’ll throw us the ball… we understand that if we can move him off his spot and jam his receivers … the guy Austin is an awesome playmaker …he needs to slow the game down in his brain a little bit though
znModeratorOn the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”
He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.
That’s misreported. Listen to the vid in the original post. He doesn’t quite say that and he says more than that (that’s positive). He ends by saying when the game slows down for him a bit, his career will take off.
The vid is a bit different from how the article represents it.
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znModeratorMichael Robinson calls Sam Bradford ‘soft’
By Ryan Van Bibber
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/7/16/5909299/michael-robinson-calls-sam-bradford-soft
The former Seahawks fullback had some nice things to say about the St. Louis Rams … just not their quarterback.
Former Seattle Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson was on ESPN’s First Take on Wednesday morning. Yes, it’s that awful show with Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith, so you probably didn’t watch it. A few people did, and they heard what Robinson had to say about the St. Louis Rams and their quarterback Sam Bradford.
Robinson picked the Rams as his surprise team in the NFC West. That’s a positive. The Rams are starting to get some respect from their peers around the league, and it’s been a long time since we’ve seen that.
On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”
He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.
We’re working to get video of Robinson’s comments now.
Take it for what it is, player trash talk. If nothing else, it’s a good way to fired up for a pair of game against the Seahawks this season.
znModeratorajhicks11
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 pm
On First Take earlier today they had former Seahawk Michael Robinson on the show. He said he thinks the Hawks can win the West again but said “You heard it here first. Watch out for the Rams!”
znModeratorAre the Rams flying under the radar? Clayton: I don’t think they’re getting the respect they should. If you read around how the players are rated, many writers seem to miss the fact that the Rams have drafted very well over the last couple of years. … Rams not being appreciated the way they should … they need a big play, a confidence builder, something to get them up and going… with a good young franchise one big confidence boost like that can make everything fall into place.
znModeratorThat’s what we’ve heard so far
znModeratorI think he was talking about Tre Mason
So you’re saying it’s my fault.
Well…maybe it is.
But then, which one of you was the one who MADE ME misread?
Hmm?
(Kidding. Sry ER I just brain glitched is all.)
July 16, 2014 at 11:53 am in reply to: position breakdown on average number of plays per injury #1809znModeratorI would actually like to see that done per snaps played. I am not sure what “plays” means in that chart…is it on the field snaps, or actually plays (run, catch, tackle, etc.)
znModeratorMason will apply stress as well.
Hi ER. Either you meant Austin, not Mason, or you are making a joke about ex-Titans receivers?
So the Rams have Cook, Britt, and a Still Undead Derrick Mason
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