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znModeratorIf the Democrats put up such a crappy candidate that she can’t even beat Donald Trump, they don’t deserve to win.
See this is all rhetoric, which is why I always prefer focus.
You can easily turn that statement around. THat is the reason a Hillary would lose to someone as bad as Trump is because of people voting against the dems and then blaming the dems for it. I see no “truths” there just spin.
I get no consolation out of that particular spin. It just means there are a lot of people who are not calculating how much worse Trump will be.
I am a pragmatist not a purist. Worse is worse. Once I see that clearly—that worse is worse—all the rest is rhetoric to me.
I have never LOVED or APPROVED OF anyone I have ever voted for in my life, and I don’t care about that.
If Trump gets elected things will be so fucked. That’s all I know or care about. You may be able to wrangle around with some folks on this but I;m a lost cause when it comes to that. To me worse is worse and all the rest is just whistling past the graveyard.
Chances are I won’t be able to talk anyone into thing, so really I am not even trying, but on the other side, don’t expect me to patiently listen to anything that ignores “worse is really really genuinely worse.” That’s my focus. All the rest to ME, personally, is just words.
znModeratorI’ll blame them. Shrug. Not that anyone should or will care if I do.
If you are a progressive Trump is clearly worse than the Clinton. That is if you look at policies. And by worse, it’s significantly worse. Not 6 of one half a dozen of the other– worse.
That’s even at the level of economic policies.
And this is not “opinion.” An objective comparison of policies shows the difference.
And I might add, the ones who will be the most screwed over by Trump do not include anyone posting here.
I can’t remember your take on this, ZN. Did you blame Nader for Bush in 2000? I’m guessing you didn’t, but am not sure.
From my research, the folks who did just don’t have a case. First off, our electoral system doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t allow for one state to ever be definitive. It works on cumulative totals, obviously. Bush won 30 states. Gore won 20. Bush doesn’t get to the 271 without all of them. No one state can be definitive, just as a last-second field goal doesn’t actually “win” the game. All the things leading up to that count, too.
Second: even if we go by the premise that Florida was definitive — it can’t be — some 308,000 registered Dems voted directly for Bush. So Nader’s 24,000 votes from likely Dems is dwarfed by that, obviously. And, again, all 50 states have their variables as well. Counterfactuals can’t be cherry-picked and still have some chance at mattering.
Anyway . . . . if the choice is between Clinton and Trump, I hope Trump loses. But I’m not happy with those choices, at all.
I don’t care about the minutia of prior elections. To me that’s just trying to find a dubious “truth” to generalize with. I generally don’t get into that stuff and I fuzz out when people go there. To me it’s never illuminating. And so honestly, you can do and believe what you want about that. It’s just never persuasive to me.
My one thing is this. Trump is clearly worse, on every single level. That’s all that matters to me. It’s a “stand.”
To me, this is a kind of Weimar moment, to use an analogy. Yes the status quo needs change and reforming. I’m a lifelong leftist, so no need to preach to the choir. But…let’s not pretend that if the wrong guy wins, it won’t make any difference. It just so obviously will. On many levels but to use just one example…the supreme court. Fuck that up and we will all go to our graves before it’s ever fixed. All the rest to me is fine print.
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znModeratorI see an impasse on the “you have to have children/no you don’t” thing.
I just see it as a surreptitious way to be personal. W was wrong to introduce it. As a rule, you don’t contribute to good political debate by searching for personal reasons to see yourself as the voice of truth and others as automatically discountable. That move always just introduces friction
So an impasse is an impasse. It’s nothing but “no you can’t/yes I can” being repeated. Over a generalization no one could ever prove or disprove either way. Doesn’t matter what individuals BELIEVE, when you have a strong opinion impasse that’s what it is, can’t dress it up.
Short version: move on now? Thanks.
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znModeratorI’ll blame them. Shrug. Not that anyone should or will care if I do.
If you are a progressive Trump is clearly worse than the Clinton. That is if you look at policies. And by worse, it’s significantly worse. Not 6 of one half a dozen of the other– worse.
That’s even at the level of economic policies.
And this is not “opinion.” An objective comparison of policies shows the difference.
And I might add, the ones who will be the most screwed over by Trump do not include anyone posting here.
znModeratorShould Cowboys look into Nick Foles?
Todd Archer
ESPN Staff Writerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4752135/should-cowboys-look-into-nick-foles
OXNARD, Calif. — Nick Foles skipped the offseason workouts at the River Ridge practice fields with the Los Angeles Rams in the spring. Could he be on those fields this summer with the Dallas Cowboys?
The Rams released Foles on Wednesday, creating an opportunity for the Cowboys to potentially upgrade their backup quarterback spot behind Tony Romo.
Will they? Foles was on the Cowboys’ list of potential candidates earlier in the offseason, knowing the potential of his release. The Cowboys did not go after the higher-priced backups, such as Chase Daniel or Colt McCoy, when free agency began. They met with Matt Moore, but he opted to remain with the Miami Dolphins.
Nick Foles has more starting experience and more NFL success than current Cowboys backup QB Kellen Moore. L.G. Patterson/AP
They worked out all of the top quarterbacks entering the draft, and the Cowboys nearly traded back into the first round to take Paxton Lynch but opted against it. They ended up taking Dak Prescott in the fourth round, but he is not a candidate to be the backup just yet.As the Cowboys get on the plane for Oxnard, California, on Thursday, they do so with Kellen Moore as Romo’s backup. He played in three games last year, starting two, and had four touchdown passes and six interceptions.
Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan has been Moore’s biggest backer. They worked together with the Detroit Lions. Linehan was a big reason why Moore ended up joining the Cowboys’ practice squad after the final cuts last September.
The Cowboys love his smarts and intangibles, but he’s just 5-foot-10, 200 pounds and does not possess a big arm.
Foles is 6-5, 244. He was a third-round pick of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2012. He has a 19-16 career record with 53 touchdown passes and 27 interceptions. The trade to the Rams in 2015 did not work out, even though he received a two-year extension worth $24.5 million. He had a 4-7 record with seven touchdowns and 10 interceptions and lost his job. When the Rams moved up to the No. 1 spot in the draft, his time with the Rams was through. The Rams took Jared Goff No. 1 overall to be their quarterback.
In 2013, Foles had 27 touchdown passes and two interceptions and made the Pro Bowl. He beat the Cowboys in a Week 17 winner-take-all meeting with Romo out because of back surgery.
The Cowboys went 1-11 without Romo last year. Brandon Weeden, Matt Cassel and Moore were not part of the solution.
While they said the backup quarterback position was a priority for them in the offseason, they did nothing to truly address it.
After current head coach Jason Garrett became offensive coordinator in 2007, the Cowboys stocked their backup position mostly with veterans — Brad Johnson, Jon Kitna and Kyle Orton. The last two years, however, they went the relatively inexperienced route with Weeden, who was eventually released last season.
So far they are going with inexperience again in Moore, which many view as odd considering Romo’s recent injury history.
The Rams’ release of Foles, who would offer up more experience at a good age (he’s just 27) gives the Cowboys another opportunity to address the backup position.
znModeratorKeenum and Goff kept busy during the break between the end of OTAs in June and their arrival at camp, practicing with receivers and tight ends.
“We thought we’d try to work a little bit — not just sit around on the couch and eat Cheez-Its all summer,” Keenum said. “I think we made a jump.”
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/keenum-and-goff/#post-49616
This is of course what you want to hear.
Keenum made the jump from an Air Raid system to a pro style system before Goff and is a film junkie style self-maximizer, so is probably a good mentor for The Goff.
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znModerator"Goff has made significant improvements… he's making the NFL caliber throws."
–@wyche89 on Goff's progress pic.twitter.com/AD6Ky9ZOCZ
— NFL Total Access (@NFLTotalAccess) July 28, 2016
znModeratorDani Klupenger @daniklup
Keenum says he saw every receiver & every tight end in this offseason for throwing sessions. Says they took a step up in this off time.===
Here's what Rams GM Les Snead said about releasing QB Nick Foles on @nflnetwork Wednesday pic.twitter.com/1c6IvXysVz
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) July 28, 2016
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Kurt Warner, the only Rams QB to win the Super Bowl, made the argument for patience with Jared Goff, on @nflnetwork pic.twitter.com/Nj5VLvmKZl
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) July 28, 2016
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Here's what Warner saw during his trip to Rams' OTAs in Oxnard and how it shaped his opinion: pic.twitter.com/zmQdDOecVi
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) July 28, 2016
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hint that McDonald wasn’t listed in starting lineup because he has to earn place back after missing OTAs.July 28, 2016 at 11:06 pm in reply to: Case Keenum and other Rams veterans report to training camp #49609
znModeratorArriving for camp atop Rams’ depth chart, Case Keenum not looking over shoulder
Steve Dilbeck
IRVINE, Calif. — He is the Los Angeles Rams’ No. 1 quarterback. Proclaimed right there on the team’s depth chart, in ink and everything.
But Case Keenum understands his situation as well as anyone, and everyone understands it clearly: The Rams made a dramatic swap of draft picks in order to select Cal quarterback Jared Goff in April as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.
The next day, Rams coach Jeff Fisher flat-out called Goff their franchise quarterback.
But as Rams veterans began checking in Thursday at training camp, Keenum remained atop the depth chart. It’s the first time in his career he’s gone into camp listed at No. 1.
“Never done that before,” Keenum said. “A lot of firsts. The first time cameras have followed me into my dorm when I’m checking in at training camp.”
The attention is a mix of Keenum being the Rams’ current starting quarterback, the team’s historic move back to Los Angeles, and HBO selecting the team for its “Hard Knocks” documentary series.
Keenum’s hold on the starting spot is more tenuous than teenage confidence. No one is certain when Goff will become the starter, only that given everything the Rams gave up to get him, at some point it will happen.
“There’s a lot of scenarios,” Keenum said. “That’s kind of training camp. It’s a time to compete. Time to compete against your position group, time to compete against the defense.”
Through early workouts, Keenum has already developed a relationship with Goff, if not an admiration.
“He’s a great guy,” he said. “I really like Jared. He’s a great football player, but a great person too. I’m excited to see what he brings to the team, to the quarterback room.
“He’s very, very talented. He came in that way. I’m excited to see where he’s going to grow and what he’s going to be able to accomplish. He’s going to play for a long time.”
In the interim comes the NFL’s summer grind. Drills and reps and near-daily practice. And daily competition, whether it’s to start the season opener or more.
Keenum sounds convinced that competition with Goff will not sour their relationship.
“I don’t think so,” the 28-year-old said. “When it’s good people, it really makes it a lot easier. And he’s good people. We’re trying to make each other better. The way I’ve always seen it, I don’t want him to do bad. I want him to do good. When I’m competing against somebody, I want my best to be better than his.
“Anytime anybody is doing well, it’s exciting for our team. It makes our team better. He’s doing well, it pushes me. I’m doing well, it pushes him. That’s what competition is about. Making each other better and, in turn, making the team better.”
Keenum was an undrafted 6-foot-1 quarterback out of the University of Houston who signed as a free agent with the Houston Texans in 2012. He started eight games the next season and lost them all.
He was traded to the Rams prior to last season to back up quarterback Nick Foles. When Foles struggled, Keenum took over. He went 3-2 as a starter, completed 60.8 percent of his passes, and threw four touchdowns to one interception. At the team’s season-ending press conference, Fisher said Keenum would enter the offseason as the team’s No. 1 quarterback.
Which is where he remains today, even if his name at the top of the depth chart should be written in careful pencil.
Foles, well-aware of the Rams’ quarterback landscape, asked for his release and was given it Wednesday.
“A great player and an even better person,” Keenum said of Foles. “I wish him nothing but the best. I know whatever team he lands with is going to land a really good quarterback and a great teammate. I know it’s been kind of a weird situation for him. But it’s a business and you have to handle a lot of that stuff before you go play.”
Just as Keenum is trying to handle it now.
znModeratorAndy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1m1 minute ago
#Rams notes: really eager to see how Ogletree does at MLB. Freak athlete now playing position that demands more awareness and patience.
my Note my biggest concern has been his inability to ever take on blockers he could run around blockers playing outside but agree how Ogltetree does at mlb is maybe the most fascinating thing to watch in preseason /b]Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1m1 minute ago
#Rams notes: loss of McLeod created enormous hole at FS. Will that give Gregg Williams pause on some of his blitz calls?Rams notes: Trumaine Johnson one of best route squatters and jumpers in NFL. Smart to choose him over J. Jenkins.
note agree outstanding zone cb. Jenkins did the heavy lifting man stuff for Williams…Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1m1 minute ago
#Rams notes: T.J. McDonald coming off somewhat quiet season. Still has foundation to be a top tier SS.note 1 ff and 12 pd in 3 years and 62nd best safety last year per pff…not sure about his foundations
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 11s11 seconds ago
#Rams notes: Barron a much better attacker than reactor. Why a better LB than S, and why he’s better under G. Williams than Lovie.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 13s14 seconds ago
#Rams notes: Barron a key, KEY piece in a scheme like Gregg Williams. Versatile blitzer, aggressive chase run defender and can cover TE’s.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 5m5 minutes ago
#Rams notes: Starting nose shade on Unsung Hero Team is Michael Brockers. Great mechanics, burst and through-the-whistle strength.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 36s36 seconds ago
#Rams notes: Critical that Robert Quinn stay healthy. Swiftest, most flexible 4-3 DE in league. Different D when he’s out.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 10m10 minutes ago
#Rams notes: Mild concern with Donald: tendency to go under blocks on running downs. That’s a risky way to play.Rams notes: Aaron Donald most explosive 3-tech in NFL. Whoever is 2nd is not even in his hemisphere.
#Rams notes: with putrid receiving options, Rams passing game reliant on play-action and winning through leverage-creating formations.
#Rams notes: This offense doesn’t have 1 WR who scares teams. Austin small, a gadget guy. Britt stiff, has limited route tree.
Rams notes: Gurley also very good at setting up blocks (advantage of body control) and finishing runs (advantage of size).
#Rams notes: Gurley chance to become NFL’s best RB. Unbelievably smooth, nuanced change-of-direction ability.
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1h1 hour ago
#Rams notes: Coaching staff likes TE Kendricks more than you’d guess. Good strong lower body as a blocker.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 3h3 hours ago
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1h1 hour ago
Andy Benoit Retweeted Jaya T
Rams a much more limited passing game style (to account for iffy protection), so sack numbers skewed.
@Andy_Benoit Is the pass protection that bad? Statistically had the lowest sacks per dropback in the league, though that stat surprised me.note Rams were 16th in pressures allowed last year running that limited passing game style
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 1h1 hour ago
#Rams notes: C Barnes also a big concern along OL. Really struggles in run game against quality nose shade tackles.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 2h2 hours ago
#Rams notes: if Robinson can learn to play to his size, he’ll have a chance. Big decisive yr for him.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 2h2 hours ago
#Rams notes: the one bust LT that nobody talks about is Greg Robinson. Very bad mechanics and lower body in pass pro.
10 retweets 9 likesAndy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 2h2 hours ago
#Rams notes: OL is a major, major concern – especially with rookie QB. Youth did not improve last yr, and athletic limitations in spots.ndy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 2h2 hours ago
#Rams notes: Goff will have a lot to learn in presnap phase. Rams run a simple run-based offense though.Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit 2h2 hours ago
#Rams must start Goff. No point in hiding Keenum in the scheme for a yr. Goff survived beating as frosh at Cal. Let him learn under fire.
znModeratorStatement from @RamsNFL head coach Jeff Fisher on the release of QB Nick Foles. pic.twitter.com/7CPtivgmG1
— Myles Simmons (@MylesASimmons) July 27, 2016
July 28, 2016 at 5:23 pm in reply to: Reich vs. Hedges debate as to who should Bernie voters support now, + Chomsky #49583
znModeratorLOL.
You already posted it, huh? I don’t know how I missed it. Not like we’re producing 18 topics a day.
Good discussion, huh?
Yes, good discussion. Hedges got a little impassioned sputtery for my taste, but then, there’s nothing rare about that.
People double post a lot. Which is no big deal…usually when that happens I delete my original, that is if mine is the original, and let the new one stand (which is why people don’t realize it happens a lot). But this board will be picking up steam and so I thought, maybe do it this way once or twice as a kind of gentle reminder.

znModeratorThey even cheered on those rare occasions when the Rams did something right.
You won’t have that problem in Foxboro.
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znModeratoroff the net from OntarioRam
Tavon Austin might not be anything more than a mediocre pure wide-out for a variety of reasons – small catch radius, average route running, average hands. But Austin only being a mediocre conventional WR is fine with me because he is an extremely valuable *football player*.
For starters, he is one of the best punt returners in the game. If not the best. Perhaps nobody in the NFL is kicked away from as much as Tavon Austin. That’s pretty telling. Seattle tried kicking to Austin in week 1 this past season. He promptly returned it for a highlight reel TD. That was the end of teams kicking to Austin in 2015-16. The rare times he does get the ball on punt returns, the defensive coverage is often strong due to the hang time punters put on it vs. Austin. But Tavon still routinely makes something out of nothing. Or, when he gets a strong block or two, takes it to the house or damn near it.
On offense, he’s a threat to score every time he touches the ball. He had 9 offensive touchdowns last year on how many snaps? His TD numberss were comparable to Gurley’s despite a fraction of the touches.
Even though Austin is small in stature, he’s also a good blocker, which is not a quality to be overlooked in an offensive skill player. Especially in a power offence like ours (there is a reason Brian Quick might yet make this team again!). Austin’s speed allows him to get to his man in the blink of an eye. And he is not at all shy about using every ounce of his undersized body. Just ask Pierre Desir, Tavon absolutely trucked him last year to spring Gurley vs Cleveland.
His mere presence keeps defenses honest. Plus, more unique to the Rams offense, he is the perfect compliment to Gurley. The misdirection the Rams run with Austin and Gurley is a mutually beneficial set up, but neither player will see that value they contribute reflected in their individual stats. At least not directly…
Despite his average receiving ability – again, small catch radius etc – he can still be a deadly weapon as a WR if used correctly and a QB is accurate enough to hit him in stride or fit the ball in tight windows (see: Foles to Austin against Arizona). Goff and his accuracy has the potential to see Austin’s game catapult.
Austin is also a huge threat as a RB.
And is there any player better in open space? There was a stat published about teams breaking tackles / making players miss recently where the Rams were near the very top of the league. Austin, unsurprisingly, was leading that charge (along with Benny Cunningham).
Some people will see Tavon listed as a WR, see that he isn’t overly impressive as a conventional WR, and then get frustrated. People have to stop thinking of Austin in pure wide-out terms. He’s listed as a WR only because you have to list him as *something*…. in reality he is a gadget player that defies being boxed in by any one positional label. Some people say that like it’s a bad thing. I think it’s a huge compliment. Austin is a true swiss army knife – he can do it all.
znModeratorGeorge Will thinks Trump won’t release his records because they will show financial ties with Russia. Others speculate that Trump is hiding tax fraud.
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Honore de Balzac (1799-1850): “Behind every great fortune is a crime.”w
vMe: that’s a metaphor Mr. Balzac. Not an applicable excuse in this case.
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Well, my own interpretation of Balzac-Ram’s comment is different.
I dont think he was ‘excusing’ anything — i think he was ‘accusing’.w
vYes and I don’t think it applies.
Using that quotation in this context amounts to saying that yeah Trump has done bad shit but what rich people haven’t.
No, he’s worse.
His worseness, IMO, cannot be excused or written off or diminished or rationalized or downplayed.
To me people doing that come in 2 types. (1) Trump advocates, and (2) people who don’t realize yet HOW bad he is.
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July 28, 2016 at 10:04 am in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49545
znModeratorBut Hillary is Keenum. Trump though is Manziel. I would prefer Goff but anything is better than Manziel.
Well, we could have had Montana but Keenum’s party conspired against him.
Bernie’s own press secretary came out and said it’s nonsense they lost because of what was in those emails. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tweetstorm-bernie-sanders-former-press-secretary-amazing
The real story to me is that we knew all about all of that a long time ago. We knew Sanders was fighting an entrenched right-centrist party apparatus. And he still did well.
And I would vote for both former president Bushes over Trump.
I will contribute to democratic party reform and/or building a real and viable 3rd party the day after the election.

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July 28, 2016 at 9:51 am in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49542
znModeratorThere is nothing good about Trump, at all. No redeeming quality that makes the unsavory stuff palatable.
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Agree. There is nothing good about Trump.
I would argue there is nothing good about Hillary, either.So, thats where we disagree. We agree on Trump. Not on Hillary.
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vI would argue 2 things.
1. Yes there are good things about Hillary.
2. The bad in Trump is especially bad stuff. Really, really bad stuff.
The 2 are not equivalent.
If given my own druthers there would be someone better than Hillary, at the policy level as well in terms of being a political personality.
But Hillary is Keenum. Trump though is Manziel. I would prefer Goff but anything is better than Manziel.
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znModeratorGeorge Will thinks Trump won’t release his records because they will show financial ties with Russia. Others speculate that Trump is hiding tax fraud.
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Honore de Balzac (1799-1850): “Behind every great fortune is a crime.”w
vMe: that’s a metaphor Mr. Balzac. Not an applicable excuse in this case.
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July 28, 2016 at 9:33 am in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49537
znModeratorWhy should i get upset about the (shocking 🙂 notion that other nations
might do it here, or that a politician would make an off the cuff remark
about it.Well in this case it’s a simple matter of consistency. We are against intervention in foreign internal affairs, like elections. We can’t then shrug it off if a presidential candidate recommends a foreign power intervene in OUR elections.
If we are going to be in favor of democracy, then we need to at least be in favor of our own.

I mean unless you think the guy who wouldn’t mind if Putin intervened in OUR election, is going to make the world safe for democracy in other countries.
There is nothing good about Trump, at all. No redeeming quality that makes the unsavory stuff palatable. The stuff on trade for example is nonsense. His own actions as a businessman have already demonstrated that the “stuff on trade” was just a talking point to do well in the rust belt. He has never acted like someone who favors labor-supportive trade policies. He has always actively done the opposite.
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znModeratorBenjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL
Several teams have interest in Nick Foles. Jets, Dallas, Miami among them.====
Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports the Bills, Vikings, and Cowboys are free agent Nick Foles’ three likeliest destinations.
Cole also reports the Jets showed interest in Foles, which may have played a role in Ryan Fitzpatrick re-signing with New York. Dallas would make a lot of sense as a Foles landing spot. Kellen Moore was out of his depth as a 2015 spot starter, and fourth-round rookie Dak Prescott isn’t ready to play in the NFL. Jul 28 – 12:57 AM
Source: Jason Cole on Twitterhttp://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7475/nick-foles
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Traveling, unsure if this is out there: 1. Source said Foles likely to #Vikings, #Bills or #Cowboys. 2. #Jets expressed interest in Foles
— Jason Cole (@JasonColeBR) July 28, 2016
znModeratorNick Foles, LA Rams do each other a favor
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20160727/nick-foles-la-rams-do-each-other-a-favor
IRVINE >> The Rams cut quarterback Nick Foles on Wednesday in a move that, apparently, can be considered an act of mercy.
Oh, no, not for Foles, who reportedly asked for his release. Rather, the team evidently was looking out for the rest of us, the Rams already showing how deeply they care about their new fans.
Even before the veterans officially began checking in for the start of training camp here, the team sliced its roster by one, slicing being among the most effective ways to remove a wart.
Personally, I have only limited knowledge of how Foles played last season, since last season for the Rams happened in St. Louis.
But Kevin Patra, who writes for the NFL’s website, had a better view, and he definitely didn’t like what he saw.
In his report on the Foles transaction, Patra detailed how inaccurate the quarterback was in 2015, how Foles struggled reading defenses and how he “made mind-numbingly terrible decisions and was annoyingly obnoxious to watch.”
And I ask you, would a responsible professional sports franchise subject an otherwise wholesome market to such offensive images?
The Rams, more than six weeks before their first real game, should receive some sort of civic services award.
Patra concluded his story by predicting that, given the NFL’s lack of quality quarterbacks, “even Foles’ terrible game tape won’t stop him from finding work.”
Though it wasn’t specifically noted, I think we can safely assume that Patra then vomited on his laptop.
As a columnist, I have to admit I’m a little saddened by the Rams’ latest personnel decision. Sounds like Foles could have provided fodder for a season’s worth of epic rip jobs.
I’m not sure I’ve ever had the chance to describe someone was being “annoyingly obnoxious to watch,” and I witnessed nearly every one of Josh Hamilton’s at-bats with the Angels.
Of course, Foles wasn’t likely to play for the Rams this season, coach Jeff Fisher having benched him last year and the team using the No. 1 pick in the draft on Jared Goff.
In an ideal world, Goff will emerge this summer as the Rams starter, lead the team to an undefeated season and then win the Super Bowl by throwing for 600 yards and eight touchdowns, a performance made all the more amazing by the fact that, en route to being named the title game’s MVP, Goff never stopped playing Pokemon Go.
Naturally, things are unlikely to unfold so ideally for the Rams, although the questions about the pressure to succeed immediately arrived at training camp this week only minutes after the players did.
It was the second question, to be precise, to the first player the team made available to the media on Tuesday afternoon, when the Rams’ rookies reported to UC Irvine.
“This is my (first) year, so I can’t really say too much about all that,” wide receiver Pharoh Cooper explained. “We’re just going to go out there and try to win as many games as we can.”
I love this parochially charming notion that the Rams, by moving from St. Louis to Southern California, somehow now face the burden of immensely increased expectations.
Yeah, around here we never would stand for the Dodgers going without a World Series title since 1988. Or the Lakers being worse than they’ve ever been. Or the Angels having their poorest season in years.
Or the Clippers never advancing beyond the second round of the playoffs. Or the Ducks annually failing to win a Game 7 at home.
In St. Louis, the Rams only had to worry about being compared to the NHL’s Blues and baseball’s Cardinals, a franchise that hardly ever wins in the postseason, particularly against the Dodgers.
Yet, win-now will be a popular theme for the Rams with the local media, just like the suggestion that — with this being glitzy, star-driven L.A. — Goff absolutely has to be the starter sooner than later.
See, we’re entirely too sophisticated and demanding to accept faceless, boring Case Keenum as our quarterback, an idea that conveniently forgets that, the last time the Rams played locally, their starter was Chris Miller.
As it is, at least one of the Rams is entering training camp talking like a potential glitzy star. Rookie wide receiver Mike Thomas certainly didn’t sound like a sixth-round pick this week.
“I’m very confident, 100-percent confident,” he said. “You gotta be 100-percent confident in this game. If you don’t have enough confidence, you’re going to play like you have no confidence.”
Or, maybe even worse, you’re going to play like Nick Foles, whose “mind-numbingly terrible decisions” are mercifully and rightly someone else’s problems now.
This is Southern California, you know, where, whenever necessary, anything lacking can be surgically enhanced. Even our expectations.
July 28, 2016 at 1:30 am in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49511
znModeratorme? i’m voting for president camacho.
znModeratorCountdown to Camp 2016 – Defensive Line
Myles Simmons
We’re down to three days in our Countdown to Camp series and today we’re taking a look at Los Angeles’ defensive line. If you’ve got a question about our next position group, running backs, be sure to submit it via Twitter, Facebook, or in the comments below.
DEFENSIVE LINE
Newcomers: Quinton Coples, Dominique Easley, Cam Thomas, Morgan Fox, Ian Seau
The Rams’ defensive line is home to a man quickly emerging as one of the league’s most impactful players in Aaron Donald. While there have been some departures in the club’s D-line rotation, Los Angeles has reloaded its depth in order to continue to have one of the most ferocious lines in the league.
Donald’s 2015 campaign was, in a word, outstanding. He led all defensive tackles with 11.0 sacks — just a half-sack away from tying the Rams’ DT franchise record. He also led the team with 49 QB pressures and 29 QB hits. His first step is arguably faster than anyone else, which allows him to make so many plays behind the line of scrimmage. Expectations for Donald’s third year probably couldn’t be much higher, but he still has a chance to exceed them.
Defensive end Robert Quinn will look to bounce back from an injury-plagued 2015, finishing the season on IR. Despite issues with his hip and back, Quinn recorded 5.0 sacks in just eight games. He mainly did work on the side and in individual drills during OTAs. Los Angeles may continue to bring him along slowly to ensure there are not setbacks before Week 1.
Michael Brockers often does the dirty work along the interior of the line by taking up double teams, freeing up Donald next to him and the linebackers behind him to make plays on the ball. Because of that, much of Brockers’ value as a defensive tackle can’t necessarily be seen in box scores. Still, Brockers has 14.5 career sacks, including 3.0 last year.
At age 31, William Hayes is one of the oldest Rams — one of the few over the age of 30. Los Angeles re-signed the defensive end to a three-year deal in March. While he’s been a key rotational piece in the past, he’s started 21 games over the last two years, including the final 11 in 2015. Hayes was the most productive defensive lineman not named Donald last year with 5.5 sacks, 41 quarterback pressures, and two forced fumbles. He was particularly a force in the Week 16 victory at Seattle, in which he racked up two full and two half-sacks.
Eugene Sims filled in admirably for Quinn in 2015, starting nine games. He totaled 45 tackles, 1.5 sacks, two passes defensed, and an interception in Week 17 at San Francisco. If Quinn is healthy, Sims slides back into being a key rotational piece for the defensive line, helping keep everyone fresh.
Two years after making the team as an undrafted free agent, Ethan Westbrooks returns for his third season with the Rams. He appeared in 13 games in 2015, registering 33 tackles and 2.0 sacks.
Defensive end Matt Longacre signed on with the Rams’ practice squad following the roster reduction at the end of the preseason, and was promoted to the active roster prior to the Rams’ Nov. 18 contest at Minnesota. He made 28 total tackles with six quarterback pressures and five QB hits.
Los Angeles signed three unrestricted free agents to bolster the depth along the line, two of whom are former first-round picks. In March, the Rams signed defensive end Quinton Coples, who spent his first few seasons with the Jets. New York selected him No. 16 overall in 2012, but cut Coples midway through 2015, and Miami claimed him. He’s registered 16.5 career sacks.
The Patriots cut 2014 first-round pick Dominique Easley in mid-April, and the Rams signed him about a month later. Easley has faced his share of injuries early on in his career, as he finished the season on IR for both his rookie and sophomore campaigns. But if he’s healthy, Easley can be a strong pass rushing force as a defensive tackle.
L.A. brought in defensive tackle Cam Thomas midway through OTAs on June 6. Originally selected by the Chargers in the fifth round in 2010, Thomas spent the past two years with the Steelers. He’s best described as a very large human — he’s listed at 6-foot-4 and 335 pounds — and looks like someone who can have success taking up double teams.
As for this year’s class of undrafted free agents, the Rams added Morgan Fox and Ian Seau to compete for roster spots. And while Louis Trinca-Pasat was on the practice squad last year, he was placed on IR during OTAs with a season-ending knee injury.
QUESTION OF THE DAY
@MylesASimmons Who will have the most sacks this year? Donald, Quinn, or even Hayes?
— Bruce Boyer (@pboss100) July 27, 2016
For the purposes of this hypothetical, let’s assume Quinn is completely healthy heading into the season.It’s been a few years since Quinn recorded 19.0 sacks and seven forced fumbles. But because of his position, I’d say he’s the one poised to have the most sacks this year. What I mean by that is he’s someone who has the special skills to beat O-linemen and go after quarterbacks from the outside. Going against left tackles in one-on-one situations like he often does puts him at an advantage.
Now, Donald’s unique skill set makes this a legitimate question. He racked up 11.0 sacks from the inside, and that was largely without Quinn on the outside to garner attention from opposing offenses. Donald is so fast off the line and so good at using his leverage to split double teams that he can easily get in the face of quarterbacks before they’re ready to throw. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has also made a concerted effort to put Donald in more one-on-one pass-rushing situations. So while Quinn is probably best poised, Donald’s talent and work ethic mean there’s definitely a competition there.
As for Hayes, he can get after the passer, too. Last year, he was second on the team with 41 quarterback pressures and 5.5 sacks. The advantage of having a healthy Quinn and Donald would be that teams must focus on preventing those two from wreaking havoc in the backfield. And when that happens, then Hayes should get more opportunities to go one-on-one with offensive linemen. And many times, Hayes can win those matchups to get sacks.
It’s should be fun to watch Williams juggle the many pass rushers on his unit to get the most out of them.
znModeratorIn NFL Network interview, Rams GM Les Snead indicated TJ McDonald will be good to go for training camp: pic.twitter.com/f1hcwHuDD6
— Rich Hammond (@Rich_Hammond) July 27, 2016
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I don’t know what if anything this means.
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Nick Foles agreed to accept a lower guaranteed salary from the #Rams in 2016 to win his release and be free to sign with any team
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) July 27, 2016
July 27, 2016 at 7:09 pm in reply to: Media won't ask Chelsea about her father's treatment of women but asks Ivanka #49486
znModeratorBill Clinton’s mutually consensual affairs don’t bother me but the allegations of sexual assault do. But here’s the thing…unlike Trump, Bill Clinton isn’t running for president.
It’s fast emerging as a pattern. Hey, nobody accuses Clinton of being a fascist! To which we respond, it’s wrong to be a fascist. If you’re concerned about fascism don’t just speak up when your partisan choice gets criticized.
Like the people who are only interested in race when Trump is criticized about it. And then it’s hey the other side is racist too. In other words, racism isn’t bad, but it’s bad to say someone is racist.
July 27, 2016 at 6:45 pm in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49483
znModeratorMy experience is that those that have families with children and grandchildren and who are democrats appear to be far more intense and fearful about Trump than others. You are an example. From reading your posts on this subject you appear to have little interest in the guy and have placed yourself in the “I dunno” category believing there really isn’t that much difference. I don’t know you personally but I suspect you are neither married nor have children.
I know some “leftists” who are single with no kids and to a person they really don’t see Trump as that onerous. I know other “leftists” who are married with children who are so concerned they have already signed up to our groups to do everything necessary to prevent this guy from winning. To a person their concern revolves around their kids and their kids.
W, try not to generalize about other posters that way. The pysch 101 bit.
For the record I know leftists without children and their views on this are about as all over the map as everyone elses.
If you make it individually about posters, you go against the spirit of what we;re trying to do. Wouldn’t it have been more effective just to argue that for you opposing Trump matters a great deal? And then say why?
I didn’t say this to debate it btw. Don’t make it about posters and your own personal views of their psyches. It’s outside the lines.
znModeratorYou might ask yourself that, W, after the garbage you pulled in the other thread, saying that people with children care more about future generations than those without them. That’s bullshit and it’s also no way to have an honest, adult debate. It’s deeply insulting and actually just passive-aggressive nonsense.
You should apologize.
Enough? Doesn’t matter who thinks who started what.
Remember the golden rule–do unto others but no board wars.
znModeratorWhat are the ‘swing states’ btw? Ohio, Florida….what else?
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vDelaware. I think. Or…maybe it’s Puerto Rico?
znModeratorRams S T.J. McDonald, who did not partake in offseason workouts because of personal issues, is back with the team.
— Steve Wyche (@wyche89) July 27, 2016
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