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znModeratorPeople will always remember this day as being the end of the Foles Era.
July 27, 2016 at 2:19 pm in reply to: Trump is toast. He just called for Russian cyberattacks against Clinton. #49443
znModeratorDonald Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s e-mails
DORAL, Fla. — Donald Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially encouraging an adversarial foreign power’s cyberspying on a secretary of state’s correspondence.
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said, staring directly into the cameras. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Trump’s call was an extraordinary moment at a time when Russia is being accused of meddling in the U.S. presidential election. His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which researchers have concluded was likely the work of two Russian intelligence agencies.
Later in the news conference, when asked if he was really urging a foreign nation to hack into the private email server of Clinton, or at least meddle in the nation’s elections, he dismissed the question.
“That’s up to the president,” Trump said, before finally saying “be quiet” to the female questioner. “Let the president talk to them.”
The Clinton campaign immediately accused Trump of both encouraging Russian espionage against the United States and meddling in domestic politics.
“This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent.”
Mike Pence appears to differ from Trump on Russia, e-mails
Gingrich says Trump was joking about Clinton’s e-mails“This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent,” said Jake Sullivan, Clinton’s chief foreign policy adviser. “This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”
Trump has largely dismissed assertions that Russia was behind the Democratic committee breach as conspiracy theories — a view he reiterated again when he said the hack “is probably not Russia.”
But at the news conference at one of his Florida golf courses, as the third day of the Democratic National Convention was set to begin in Philadelphia, the Republican presidential nominee refused to unequivocally call on Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, to not meddle in the U.S. presidential election.
“I’m not going to tell Putin what to do,” Trump said. “Why should I tell Putin what to do?”
He added that if Russia, or any foreign government, is, in fact, behind the hack, it simply shows just how little respect other nations have for the current administration.
“President Trump would be so much better for U.S.-Russian relations” than a President Clinton, Trump said. “I don’t think he respects Clinton.”
As an avalanche of criticism poured over Trump, some Republicans defended his comments as a worthy attack on Clinton. Former Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Trump was right to keep hammering Clinton on the subject of her private emails.
Hoekstra said he was untroubled by Trump’s goading on of a foreign power.
“Trump is bringing up a fairly valid point: Hillary Clinton with her personal email at the State Department, has put the Russians in a very enviable position,” Hoekstra said. “Most likely the Russians already have all that info on Hillary.”
Trump’s running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, said any hacking by Russia should not be tolerated, but he also faulted the Democrats.
“The FBI will get to the bottom of who is behind the hacking. If it is Russia and they are interfering in our elections, I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences,” he said, adding, “That said, the Democrats singularly focusing on who might be behind it and not addressing the basic fact that they’ve been exposed as a party who not only rigs the government, but rigs elections while literally accepting cash for federal appointments is outrageous.
znModeratorbnw you’re still stuck in the outdated and (here especially) inappropriate mindset that identifies the DNC with “the left.”
Just telling you. It’s as if you were asking around for a diesel engine specialist to help you with your cell phone.
That’s setting aside the point that when righties complain about the racism of DNC party types, we just notice that they never complain about the racism of the republicans. So it just comes across as partisan barbs, and isn’t taken seriously.
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znModeratorSemantic debate?
“Discovered” is the conventional word because it means brought to our attention when previously we were in ignorance.
Like, you discovered that there’s a mole in your garden.
The word refers to and only means “came to our awareness and attention.” Doesn’t mean you suddenly invented moles who therefore now exist for the first time in the history of the earth.
znModeratorRams training camp opens with rookies reporting to UC Irvine
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-723582-rookies-goff.html

Crawford Field at UCI has been transformed into a temporary practice facility for the Rams. Rookies are scheduled to report Tuesday and begin practicing Wednesday.It’s back-to-school time for the Rams’ rookies, and the syllabus appears rather daunting.
Just a few months after most of them left college, the Rams’ 27 rookies will move into UC Irvine campus housing Tuesday, then hit the field Wednesday for the first of their two practices before veterans arrive.
The big man on campus, naturally, will be quarterback Jared Goff, who made his name at another University of California school, the flagship in Berkeley. Goff, the No. 1 overall pick in April’s NFL draft, has a secure roster spot but will attempt to win the starting job during camp.
The Rams last camped at UC Irvine in August 1994. Two months later, Goff was born, and in April 1995, the team moved to St. Louis. Now, 22 years later, the Rams have returned for five weeks of practice.
The rookies check in Tuesday and get a two-day head start on the veterans, who arrive Thursday in advance of the first full-team workout on Saturday. The youngsters will need to utilize every practice in order to show coaches they deserve to deserve a spot on the 53-man roster in early September.
Many of the rookies – six draft picks and 21 undrafted free agents – won’t survive the Aug. 30 first round of cuts, which will take the roster from 90 players to 75. Another 18 cuts will come Sept. 3, but that’s when the Rams can establish a 10-player practice squad and keep alive the NFL dreams of some rookies.
The vetting process already has begun. Most of these rookies were on the field in Oxnard, in May for a mini-camp and in June for full-team optional workouts. Some stood out while others made little impact.
The most intriguing battles might be at receiver and tight end, positions critical to Goff’s development.
Only five or six receivers are likely to be on the roster, and fourth-round pick Pharoh Cooper, a standout in OTA practices, looks like a good bet to earn a spot with veterans Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt.
That leaves two spots, and the question of whether returning receivers such as Brian Quick and Bradley Marquez can hold off rookies such as sixth-round pick Mike Thomas and undrafted free agents Marquez North, Nelson Spruce, Duke Williams and Paul McRoberts.
The Rams, who typically carry only three tight ends, drafted Tyler Higbee and Temarrick Hemingway this year, and already have Lance Kendricks and Cory Harkey, who fills a fullback-tight end hybrid role. Higbee and Hemingway missed OTAs with injuries and need to make an early impact.
It will be a week of renewal for the Rams, who camped in Irvine from 1990-92, then again in 1994 (plus stops at Compton College, Loyola Marymount, University of Redlands, Chapman, Cal State Fullerton and Long Beach State).
Practices on Wednesday and Thursday are closed to fans and reporters. Saturday’s 3:30 p.m. session is the first one open to the public and will be followed by an autograph session.
July 27, 2016 at 12:49 am in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49410
znModeratoroff the net from wik
My wife, son and I had a blast. From the Kashmir fueled introductions, to the smiles on the players and the fans, to the proceeds going to #80’s charity. It was a loud crowd for only 11,000. And Kurt and Mark can both still sling it. Big Game Holt can still make a one handed grab and stretch the field. The donut brothers have really slimmed down. Nice seeing the Bob ‘n Weave on display…all afternoon long. Cool HoF ceremony for the Big O at halftime who seemed moved to tears. Only disappointment was no Faulk, or even SJ39. Prior commitments for both…Arlen Harris was the only RB, on either the Blue or White team. Still, the best $60 I’ve spent in a long time! Emotional at the very end for a lot of us as the seconds ticked off and an era came to an final end. That being said, it was an appropriate end, a healing conclusion. A parting gift from the players, and no one else, to the community and to the STL fans, for our support. Thanks for the GSOT, boys. The banners can come down, the trophies can be moved, but all those memories our family shared in the stands in section 111 over the years will remain forever.
Of course I’ll still root for the team. I’ve lived in Indy for the past 8 years due to the nature of my work but even though I sold the PSLs when we relocated, I still made it home for 3-4 games a year (and we go back for at least that many Cardinal and Blues games as well). If they have to vacate my hometown, I’m actually “happy” the Rams are headed to an area I like to visit, as my wife and I try to get to SoCal once or twice each year for vacations, and have contemplated purchase of a retirement property in the Palm Desert/Rancho Mirage area in the next 6-8 years. I hope the fan base will be cordial when I wear my STL Rams gear to games in Inglewood, with pride.
I’ve concluded that we come together as RAMS FANS to all cheer for the Horns, not for lines drawn on a map. For me, it has very little to do with geography. It has nothing to do with ownership or the league administration. It has everything to do with the players, coaches and the team. And those beautiful helmets.
znModeratorIt’s back-to-school day as Rams rookies report for training camp at UC Irvine
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-rookies-20160726-snap-story.html
As they arrived at UC Irvine on Tuesday afternoon, Rams rookies could not help finding reminders of college.
They are pros now, preparing for their first NFL training camp, but the dorm-style apartments and campus buildings took them back to university experiences that ended several months ago.
“I thought I left college,” tight end Temarrick Hemingway, a sixth-round draft pick from South Carolina State, said while laughing, “but it seems like we’re right back at it.
“So I guess I need my textbooks and should start studying for my chemistry test.”
Hemingway and other rookies said they mainly had been studying their playbooks in preparation for the start of camp, which includes rookie walk-throughs and practices in the days leading up to Saturday’s first full-squad public workout.
Quarterback Jared Goff, the No. 1 pick in the draft, was not made available to the media Tuesday. He arrived about 45 minutes before other rookies and was greeted by a crew from the “Hard Knocks” television show as he checked in, a team employee said.
The campus residential facilities do not include air-conditioned suites. Goff purchased fans for all of the offensive players and coaches, a team spokesman said, as the Rams hunker down for about six weeks of camp at a campus that last hosted the franchise in 1994.
Some veteran players were present but most are scheduled to arrive Thursday or Friday for a training camp that will feature 16 practices open to the public.
The Rams also will hold an open scrimmage Aug. 6 at the Coliseum.
UC Irvine does not field a football team but the campus’ Crawford Field has served as a training site for the Rams, USC and other college and pro teams.
The facility for this year’s training camp features two fields surrounded on three sides by bleachers capable of seating about 6,000 fans.
The Rams have set up their locker room and training room facilities next to the campus aquatics complex, only a short walk from the practice fields.
Fans can park at a structure just beyond the right-field fence of the baseball stadium, and then walk to the practice fields. (Parking fees and information: http://www.parking.uci.edu/rams/parkingpasses.cfm).
Receiver Pharoh Cooper and tight end Tyler Higbee said they were among a group of players who had been training the last few weeks with Goff and veteran quarterback Case Keenum in Westlake Village, where Nelson Spruce, an undrafted receiver from Colorado, played in high school.
Cooper, a fourth-round pick from South Carolina, impressed coaches and teammates during organized team activities in June.
Asked to rate his anxiety level heading into training camp, he chuckled and said “10 out of 10.”
But Cooper sounded as if he were ready to pick up where he left off.
“This is the real deal right here,” he said, adding, “OTAs, you kind of go in there nervous, coming right out of college, trying not to mess up.
“Now it’s training camp. The confidence level is high, you know the playbook. You know you can start running full speed, get the pads on and start being physical with it.”
Notes
A limited number of single-game tickets for Rams home games at the Coliseum will go on sale Thursday at 10 a.m. via Ticketmaster, the team announced. The Rams have said they sold 70,000 season tickets. They play exhibition games at home against the Dallas Cowboys and Kansas City Chiefs. Their regular-season home games are against the Seattle Seahawks, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons, San Francisco 49ers and Arizona Cardinals. They are the home team for an Oct. 23 game against the New York Giants in London.
znModeratorRams rookies arrive at UC Irvine for 1st training camp
Greg Beacham, Associated Press
IRVINE — Jared Goff showed up to the UC Irvine dorms a bit ahead of his fellow rookies Tuesday, getting a quick start on his first training camp with the Los Angeles Rams.
In truth, the Rams’ quarterback of the future has been trying to get a head start since shortly after the team wrapped up offseason workouts a month ago.
The No. 1 draft pick has been working out at a Westlake High near the Rams’ new home base at Cal Lutheran alongside fellow quarterback Case Keenum, rookie receivers Pharoh Cooper and Westlake High graduate Nelson Spruce and several others. They don’t want to waste a moment in their quest to make the Rams’ homecoming season a success.
“We were out there … just running our routes and getting our chemistry down,” Cooper said. “I had to get into the playbook, myself. (Goff) was calling plays, and I forgot some of them. I went to Jared’s house a couple of times and hit the playbook with him.”
The Rams decided not to make Goff available to the large contingent of media watching the rookies’ arrival at camp Tuesday. Several cameras, including the crew from HBO’s “Hard Knocks” series, shadowed the rookies’ every move, and they’ll do the same to the veterans on Thursday.
Keeping expectations at a manageable level will be a major task for coach Jeff Fisher and the Rams, who don’t want their prize passer to carry any more burdens than the expectations and responsibilities already heaped on his shoulders. The Rams say they won’t be concerned whether Goff or Keenum starts their season opener at San Francisco in early September.
“We’re going to coach (Goff) to be successful, and we’re not going to put him in with a chance to fail,” Fisher said last month after the Rams’ final practice. “That’s the most important thing in developing a young quarterback.”
Goff has several weeks and four preseason games to get ready, and he’ll have plenty of help from the youngsters making the journey with hi.
When Cooper rolled up to campus in a new Porsche with cameras following his every move, his fancy wheels and broad grin couldn’t hide his level of excited anxiety about the weeks ahead.
“About a 10 out of 10,” Cooper said to describe his level of nervousness.
The Rams eased into their first offseason back in California by spending the past six months headquartered at a fully functional training complex at the River Ridge fields in Oxnard. That complex is the Dallas Cowboys’ annual home for training camp, which officially starts Satirday, so the Rams had to pack up and move more than 100 miles southeast to Orange County for their own camp.
The players will share dormitories at UC Irvine for the next five weeks or so — longer than most teams stay in residency at training camp — because the Rams are still putting the finishing touches on their new in-season training complex at Cal Lutheran. The Rams aren’t exactly roughing it on UC Irvine’s beautiful campus, and the players hope this extended trip back to school will build their chemistry.
“I thought I left college, but it seems like we’re right back at it,” rookie tight end Temarrick Hemingway said. “I guess I’ll get my textbooks and start studying for my chemistry test tomorrow.”
The rookies get a few extra workouts before the veterans report, and the Rams hope they’ll make an impact. All but one of Los Angeles’ draftees are offensive players, addressing the obvious needs of the NFL’s worst passing offense last season.
“It’s exciting to be back,” Cooper said. “I’m looking forward to having fun, competing and just making plays out here again.”
znModeratoroff the net from Saguaro
TA’s 10 TD’s and how they affected Ram games in 2015.
Game 1: With the Rams scoreless in the 1st Q, and trailing the Seahawks 7-0, Austin opens the 2nd Q with a 16 yard TD run for the Rams’ first score of the game and of the year. TA takes a run designed to go up the middle, sidesteps a defender in the backfield, cuts left and then just makes 3 Seahawk defenders look silly with his superior speed and maneuverability as he easily glides through them and into the endzone. Crowd goes wild and the Rams are back in it after a shaky start. Later in the game, 4:40 to go in the 3rd, Rams leading only by 4, Tavon receives a punt, follows two blockers left, then a fake to the middle that freezes the Seahawk defenders, cuts back left and following blocks, tightropes down the sideline for a 75 yard TD. In a game that went to OT, TA’s electrifying touchdowns were a winning factor.
Game 4: At the Cardinals, another big divisional rival game, and Austin again opens the scoring for the Rams with a nice cut and catch across the middle for a 12 yard TD. This puts the Rams up 7-0, and with the defense denying the Cardinals the endzone, it provided a nice cushion of confidence for the Rams, who never trailed in this pivotal road game. But with only 3:41 left in the 4th Q, the Rams were clinging to a 17-15 lead when Foles pump fakes and then hits a laid out flat Austin just as he sails across the goal line. A beautiful catch for 12 yards and the winning TD. The Cards scored again late, but it wasn’t enough thanks to Austin’s heroics.
Game 5: At GB, Tavon Austin scores the Rams’ only TD of the day, despite Gurley’s yards on the ground, in a frustrating loss.
Game 7: Rams win 27-6 over the 49ers. An easy laugher, right? Not when it was a defensive struggle at 13-6 late in the 2nd Q. Tavon takes an end around left to right and uses pure speed to race past two unblocked 49ers and stretches just enough for the pylon to get his first TD of the game. More offensive struggles ensue in the 2nd half until Tavon gathers in a short screen pass, squirts through 2 defenders and turns it into a 66 yard TD. Austin gets the Rams’ only score of the half, the last two of the game, and nails the 9er coffin shut.
Game 11: A bad day for the Rams, with TA’s 5 yard rushing TD the only score they could manage. It’s the same end around he ran against SF, and Cincinnati knew it was coming, but his speed to the corner was just too much for them on that play.
Game 14: Once again, TA opens the scoring for the Rams and for the game, taking a screen down the middle of the field through befuddled Buccaneers for a TD and a quick 7-0 start. The Bucs would never recover. In the 2nd half he added another 21 yard rushing TD, taking an end around to the right and cutting through multiple defenders to the end zone. This was another of those plays that few players besides Austin could have finished.
What do we see here? Austin gets the Rams going when the offense is stalled. They’re able to get TD’s out of him in close quarters or long, due to his speed and his elusiveness even when the redzone is crowded. TA had double TD’s in 4 games, and the Rams won all of those games. That’s 4 of their 7 wins, 3 of them against division rivals.
When the Rams get the ball into Austin’s hands, he can produce points that lead to wins.
Others have mentioned his decoy value, but I’d like to point out that on more than one occasion he made great downfield blocks for Gurley as well.
More touches, Jeff! More touches!
znModeratorWell, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.
But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.
If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.
Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.
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Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.w
vI posted stuff about the trade thing. It’s misleading. It’s being taken for something it isn’t.
Link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/trade/
From that thread:
Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.
Donald Trump’s anti-trade rhetoric amounts to little more than bandwagon bluster and textbook hypocrisy. He knows the TPP is unpopular in the states he needs to win so he pretends to care about lost jobs and shuttered factories.
If you want to know Trump’s true position on the current corporate trade model, all you have to do is follow the money. Trump has consistently sent American jobs overseas to line his own pockets. He personally profited from the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).
You’ll have to forgive our skepticism that Donald Trump is actually a friend of working people. He said our wages are too high. Really, he did. Trump wants to destroy labor unions. His position on wage-suppressing right-to-work laws is “100%”, and he has routinely moved union jobs to right-to-work states.
July 26, 2016 at 7:06 pm in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49394
znModeratoroff the net from ramithard
Weekend at the Legends game
We arrived in town on Friday morning and checked into Lumiere Hotel/Casino…..went down to my favorite bars in La Clede’s Landing….Showme’s and Sundeckers….both closed:banghead…..walked to Big Daddy’s and bartender there said those bars have been closed for a year….also Jakes Steaks and about 4 others are shut down….very sad…
Everyone is at Ball Park Village now……we Ubered there and hung out at Brewhouse….lots of Dodger fans in the house….went up to our seats on Rooftop deck of Brewhouse…..great view and Cardinal fans were nice……this is the game we lost in the 16th inning….I went back to Big Daddy’s after 8th inning ,pretty drunk, thinking we had a win….my son stayed until the 14th inning….but I k new I wanted to get up early to get in line at Dome.
I walked over there with my items for signing at 8 AM .. hung over………doors were opening at 10
: 30……I was second in line, behind a guy and his Dad from Florida…it was there first time ever in STL…..the line started forming behind us by 9 o’clock….by 10 , there were about 500 in line …my girl and son showed up with the other things I had for signatures.Doors opened and they took us down to the tunnel that Rams come out of onto field……the lobby filled up and they had to arrange 3 or 4 seperate lines…..trying to figure which people were ahead of who…. I heard some people complaining they got screwed…..but I was second, and they said they were going to send in 50 people at a time…..We were told that there were 4 players per table and to follow path around stadium, and not to cut across the field…..they let us in at 11:15 and I went straight to Bruce….he signed 5 things and I shook his hand…..I skipped a table that had Vermeil but he wasn’t there…went straight to Kurt…..he had just sat down and we were second to get to him….he signed five items and we told him we were from LA and he loved it….i asked him ” are you gunna win the game today against Bulger?….He said….” I don’t know, we shall see “…..I said ” What ? is the game rigged like the WWE?” he got a big laugh outta that..
Went to other tables and we were first at each….got autos from Proehl, Holt, Wilkins, Martz, Vermeil, Coady, MCCullom, Timmerman, Zgonnia, Bly, etc….was awesome…
At noon lines were crazy….probably 250 in the Warner line alone……..they had a running clock and once it hit 0:00… it was shut down ….and people were pissed….I heard a guy sitting behind me say he bought 4 of the $ 100 tickets…and he only got Warner’s auto on one item…he got there toooo late and he was pissed….
Game was fun…..but it was sad seeing all the former season ticket holders wearing their old Ram jerseys and knowing it was over….I felt bad….people were spread out around the Dome and I know they were season ticket holders , just sitting in their seats for the last time…it was also amazing to see the stuff they brought to get autographed….I’m talking full size 4′ x 5′ framed pictures, posters, Jerseys, footballs, everything with 99 Superbowl Champs you can imagine….you could tell they had this stuff hanging on their walls and wanted a special souvenir from a team that has gone…..talked to many fans, and when they found out we were from LA , they were very nice and wished us good luck…
…..I wore my LA Rams hat and shirt a few times and got a few double takes ….but people just laughed….wore them everywhere except to the Dome game…..one guy at the Arch said ” You’re sure trying to stir the pot ,huh “….and he laughed…
Didn’t have the energy to go to the Dodger game on Saturday night….nor the $$$$$…..got up Sunday and went to Caleco’s for lunch….then one last trip to the Arch….ended up getting drunk Sunday night at Joey B’s and Big Daddy’s……very emotional final walk back to the hotel….
Over 20 years and 22 visits later, it was over….Hard to believe…..love the STL.
znModeratorWell, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.
But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.
If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.
Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.
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znModeratorFeelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.Talking-feeling-monkeys.
Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?w
vThe talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.
How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.
For starters.

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No argument from me.But then, the Hillary list could be longer too
w
vThe length of course is not as pertinent as what’s on it.
Yes Hillary represents the unenlightened coporatacratic status quo.
And..as paradoxical and ironic and dark humorish as it sounds, Trump represents a big regression from that. That will also still include that anyway.
So it;s like this.
A: We have 2 choices.
B: What’s the 1st choice.
A: Well we stay with the Roman empire and its hierarchical socio-economic system.
B: I see. What’s the 2nd choice.
A: The empire is overthrown and all its institutions destroyed by burnt earth hordes who practice human sacrifice and treat all outsiders as pagans to be tortured and slain.
B: Can I just join a monastery?
A: The hordes take particular delight in tormenting monasteries.
B: Hmm. Okay Let me think….
znModeratorNFL’S TRE MASON
COPS CALLED, BIZARRE BEHAVIORhttp://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports?adid=TMZ_Web_Nav_TMZSports
More troubling news about L.A. Rams RB Tre Mason — who’s been at the center of 5 different incidents involving cops in the past 4 months, TMZ Sports has learned … and his family is extremely concerned.
The latest incident occurred on Saturday — multiple units responded to Mason’s family home in Florida in the middle of the afternoon. We know Mason was NOT arrested — but there seems to be a bigger problem.
Mason’s family is concerned about his mental health — citing a string of bizarre behavior and angry outbursts … and they’re worried for his personal safety.
The Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Dept. has been called to the home 5 times since March 28th — and at least once, Mason agreed to check into a facility to resolve the situation.
From the info we’ve gathered, Mason has NEVER been accused of hurting anyone. However, on one occasion, a family member told cops she didn’t want Tre to leave the house because he hadn’t slept in days and she was worried “he will get hurt.”
Before the issues at his home, Mason was arrested in Hollywood, FL on March 5th after he was pulled over for speeding — and was tased when he refused to get out of the car.
It’s clear, Tre’s family is concerned and wants to help him.
We reached out to Mason’s agent for comment — so far, no word back.
znModerator#Rams: No statement on Tre Mason until Saturday at earliest https://t.co/9fs6awzbPr
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) July 26, 2016
znModeratorFeelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.Talking-feeling-monkeys.
Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?w
vThe talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.
How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.
For starters.

znModeratorPolice visit Tre Mason’s home five times in four months
Police visit Tre Mason’s home five times in four months
In early March, Rams running back Tre Mason had a bizarre incident with police, resulting in his arrest on various charges. He then failed to appear in court, before eventually doing so.
Since then, police reportedly have been called to his house on five different occasions. According to TMZ, the most recent incident happened on Saturday.
Per the report, Mason’s family is concerned about his mental health. During one of the police visits, he agreed to check into a facility. He apparently didn’t.
Mason has not yet been accused of assaulting family members. On one occasion, a family member told police that Mason hadn’t slept in days, and that the family member was concerned if Mason left the house “he will get hurt.”
Mason didn’t participate in OTAs this year, excused from the voluntary sessions for “personal reasons.” The next question for the Rams is whether Mason, a third-round pick in 2014, will be welcomed to training camp — and whether he’ll even show up for it.
znModeratorLOOK: Tavon Austin is working with the best WR in the NFL
Tavon Austin is putting in work with Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown, according to his Instagram account. Austin has been seen all over social media consistently working out and trying to develop as a more pure wide receiver. This is one of many steps in the right direction.
Austin has a new coach, Rams passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach Mike Groh, who is ready to help him just like he helped players from the Chicago Bears and Alabama Crimson Tide. Austin, sooner or later, is going to be a stellar wide receiver that teams fear and not just a Swiss army knife.
Spending time with the All-Pro WR Brown will hopefully rub off on the 5-foot-8 speedster. He could learn a thing or two off of Brown’s illustrious route running.
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znModeratorFurther problems could arise depending on the status of starting strong safety T.J. McDonald, who was arrested in May on suspicion of driving under the influence of a substance other than alcohol.
As of this week, McDonald had not been charged with a crime, so he is likely to participate in camp, but should the situation change, add another potential training-camp battle to the mix.
Link: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-723448-camp-goff.html
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znModeratornot everyone thinks Trump would be that much worse than Hillary.
IMO? Yes he would be THAT much worse.
That’s my honest opinion of it.
FWIW I don’t disagree with you. But I think a lot of leftists, Greens and ‘anti-insider’ types don’t see it that way.
Then to me? Many of those…not all because I know a lot of people who are wrestling with that…are just a different kind of party purist. That’s what I believe (and I may draw flack for it too.)
DT = a lot worse.
znModeratornot everyone thinks Trump would be that much worse than Hillary.
IMO? Yes he would be THAT much worse.
That’s my honest opinion of it.
July 25, 2016 at 11:11 am in reply to: huddle board exclusive–we set up a board chat with the football gods #49343
znModeratorIf Rodger Saffold is at his own 25 yard line and is running at a speed of 8.0 yards/sec and a defender at the 50 yard line is approaching Rodger Saffold at a speed of 9.5 yards/sec, how many seconds will elapse before Rodger Saffold is injured?
I was sent this response.
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Football God 1: why is it that good men, and good players, like Roger Saffold, get injured constantly, while assholes like Steve Smith make it through unscathed and become stars?
Football God 2: Yes, why? Why?
Football God 3: Actually we did that.
[pause]
All: Group laughter.

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znModeratorAldon Smith Allegedly Persicopes Himself Smoking Weed
In the video provided by CSN Bay Area, Smith is heard talking on camera saying it is a fire up session and telling a woman not to worry because they don’t have a lot of followers.
You would think all athletes should know it only takes one person watching for it to go viral.
Here is the transcript of the convo provided by CSN Bay Area.
Female: (Expletive deleted), I’m not (messing) with you.
Male: I don’t give a (care). Ain’t nobody (messing) with us. We’ve got zero followers. Where is the ashtray at?( to audience) This is what you call a fire up session.
Female: (Expletive deleted), you shouldn’t even be posting that.
Male: (coughing) (Expletive deleted), do you see my face?
Female: No, but what if…
Male: They don’t have my name. This is just a fire up session.
Female: So, if you just put it on there…it’s just doing it? It’s live? That’s hella stupid.
Male: Shut up. You hella stupid. You trying to smoke, fam? Is this the ashtray?
Female: Yeah. You ain’t using it no more, right?
Male: I’m using it.
Female: Oh, that’s a (expletive deleted) (inaudible)? Oh, a (inaudible)?
Male: You’re stupid. You’re tripping. (Expletive deleted), they don’t know it’s me. It’s not like I put “Aldon Smith”…
Smith is currently indefinitely suspended from the NFL for violating the substance abuse policy and various run ins with the law.
Flip the page to watch the video..
znModeratorI went ahead and edited the image into your post.
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znModeratorClimate Change exists four times each year where I live. Inequality exists too as Hildabeast getting a pass on her email crimes proves.
bnw, do you think man-made climate change is happening? And do you think we have a serious problem of economic inequality? Politics aside. Politicians aside. Do you think these things exist as serious issues in their own right?
Of course climate change is happening four times each year where I live. But ‘climate change’ is used by those to obscure the fraud of ‘global warming’ that despite all the money and data manipulation and data destruction and endless propaganda hurled upon humankind the earth is cooling not warming.
Yes the economic inequality here is so bad that people from around the world still try to make their way here any way they can legally and illegally. If I knew how to post pictures I could show some exceptional Cuban efforts.
For the record, I think denying climate change discredits the person doing it.
Immigration has nothing to do with the internal structures of american economic inequality. We can have failed policies that do nothing but put money in the pockets of the 1% and therefore destablize the american middle class, and it could still be comparatively attractive to immigrants. The one has nothing to do with the other.
You are free to advocate any candidate or position you are drawn to. And you’re a passionate committed rightie. But I find most passionate committed righties to be lacking when it comes to the major issues. So I defend your right to speak here (within the rules) but I personally don’t find your political statements to be credible. I get that you believe them, but I think you believe a lot of nonsense.
Unlike BT and WV I don’t see any point in trying to debate it, either. There’s no “winning” discussions like that. You go your way, I’ll go mine.
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July 24, 2016 at 10:59 am in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49290
znModeratorFinally, a happy day for Rams fans at Legends game
Jose de Jesus Ortiz
Still bitter about the Rams’ move to Los Angeles, Greg Gebert initially didn’t want to attend the Legends of the Dome game. The more he thought about it, though, the more he realized he couldn’t pass up a chance to see the superstars who brought him so much joy.
Gebert eventually bought a pair of tickets and made the drive east from Wentzville with his 4-year-old son, Tyler. Then as the clock ticked closer to kickoff for the flag football game Saturday afternoon, he saw Kurt Warner on the surface where the legendary quarterback once led the Greatest Show on Turf.
Gebert cradled his son, rushed toward Warner and asked if he would take a selfie with him.
“Sure,” Warner said with a gentle, patient smile as fans crowded him even though he had already signed hundreds of autographs during a VIP reception.
The Geberts were like most of the 10,600 fans who attended the Legends of the Dome charity flag football game, which benefited the Isaac Bruce Foundation.
Many of the greatest names from the Rams’ 21 years in St. Louis — including several of the men who won Super Bowl XXXIV — returned to the Dome at America’s Center. Warner, Bruce, Hall of Famers Aeneas Williams and Orlando Pace, wide receiver Torry Holt and former coaches Dick Vermeil and Mike Martz were among the biggest names in town for the flag football game.
“In 1999 I was just graduating high school and we went from a team that wasn’t that exciting to all of a sudden just exploding on the scene and completely dominating every game,” Gebert said. “I think it was an uplift for the city. You got football back after the Cardinals left and you kind of do something that’s magical that probably had not been done before and probably will never be done again.”
It’s unclear if the NFL will ever return to St. Louis. If the NFL does put another franchise in the Gateway to the West it won’t be anytime soon.
But even despised Rams owner Stan Kroenke cannot rob the St. Louis fans of their fond memories.
Fittingly, Warner connected with Bruce on a beautiful long touchdown pass to open the scoring for the Blue squad, which eventually lost 56-49 to the White squad led by Pace and Vermeil.
“It was awesome,” Bruce said. “We came out with the mindset of just making the fans happy and having them come out and having a good time. Mission accomplished.
“In two words, thank you. That’s basically what we wanted to come out here and say.”
Mission accomplished indeed.
“Hopefully we gave that love back out tonight to the fans,” Pace said. “And hopefully some of those guys that may be a little bitter (about the Rams’ departure) got a chance to smile a little bit and reminisce on the old times of when we played in here for real.
“To give this Dome its proper shutdown is really special also. We had a great time here. Hopefully they loved the time we spent here. The special thing about it is we gave this city a championship. That’s something nobody could ever take away.”
The intimate crowd had such a good time they didn’t offer the familiar “Kroenke Sucks” chant until the third quarter.
Cancer survivor Gail Johnson, 53, wore a faded blue Rams hat and a white T-shirt honoring her late cousin Steve Willis, who was a fixture at Rams home games.
With a small portable oxygen tank hanging from her shoulder and feeding her oxygen through a nasal tube, Johnson once again cheered on her Rams.
“My cousin died three years ago of heart disease,” Johnson said. “Man, right there on 7th and Cole streets he and my sister faithfully tailgated through all kind of weather. I love this team because to me personally I saw they had big hearts.
“People like Isaac Bruce and Aeneas Williams have big hearts. It was more than just about winning Super Bowls or playoffs. They also gave back to the community. … Those things mean something.”
The players and coaches also enjoyed the opportunity to see each other again. Vermeil even wore his Super Bowl championship ring.
Many of the players got their teammates to sign their jerseys before, during and after the game.
“I don’t wear it very often; it’s so big,” Vermeil said of his championship ring. “But it was nice to be able to put it on with the people who put it on for me. They’re the people that won it and earned it. To be able to share a day like this with them is really fun.”
The players were asked to autograph several pieces of memorabilia.
Gerard Oscko, 58, arrived at the game with a framed copy of the special section the Post-Dispatch put out after Warner led the Rams to the Super Bowl title.
“I’m getting signatures on the back side (of the frame)” Oscko said. “It’s been hanging on the wall for 16 years. It brings back memories of how special this team was and how great they were and what it meant to the city and the enthusiasm that they brought to it.”
Many fans are still bitter that Kroenke moved the Rams back to Los Angeles, but it’s clear they don’t hold the move against the former players.
“I wouldn’t have been surprised if nobody showed up being a little bit vindictive or a little mad with the Rams organization,” Vermeil said. “But in knowing the St. Louis people like I got to know them over three years, this is really what I expected for them to come and support and show class. I think they enjoyed seeing all these guys again, too.”
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Shrug.
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