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    i often dream of a seattle-type scenario where goff is surrounded by a strong running game and a cohesive offensive line. and then he just throws these accurate darts around the field to all the different receivers.

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    OTAs start Tuesday

    Fisher said he’s already noticed growth for the receivers under Groh, specifically mentioning Brian Quick. The head coach expects the new-look offense to significantly increase wide receiver Tavon Austin’s production.

    “When it’s all said and done, we’ll be able to look back and, I think, see Tavon maybe double in catches over what he had last year,” Fisher said. “And that’s the most important thing, is just get the chunks down the field.”

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    Rams Begin OTAs in Oxnard

    By Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Rams-Begin-OTAs-in-Oxnard/653a9709-2c92-4298-913b-29d389d1720b

    The Rams have officially reached Phase III of the offseason program, as they held their first of nine OTAs on Tuesday afternoon.

    “It’s really exciting to get everybody together,” head coach Jeff Fisher told therams.com following practice. “For those who don’t know, it’s the first time where we could interact with offense and defense. So we’ve been on the field off and on for the last month, but they’re in great shape.”

    Per the NFL rules set in the latest collective bargaining agreement, there are three phases of the offseason program. The first consists of only strength and conditioning work on the field, though coaches may discuss Xs and Os in the classroom. In Phase II, coaches may interact with players on the field, but must keep the offense and defense completely separate. Now, the Rams may have both offense and defense on the same field at the same time.

    That fact brings about plenty of competition, and on Tuesday L.A. harnessed that energy through one-on-one drills. In one such activity, position groups went against one another with a simple objective. For the quarterback and receiver: complete the pass. For the defender: force an incompletion.

    With the season so far away, it’s a time where the best will go up against the best — like linebacker Alec Ogletree and running back Todd Gurley. Or cornerback Trumaine Johnson and wide receiver Tavon Austin.

    Aside from that type of competition, Fisher said the plan for Phase III is to go through the second of three playbook installation processes.

    “We’ve already done that once,” Fisher said. “You do it before OTAs, then during OTAs, then once again in training camp. So we’re just going back. And then we’re going to put them in a lot of different situations — in two-minute stuff, and some hurry up.”

    While the defense should look similar in its third year under coordinator Gregg Williams, the Rams have changed many elements of their offense. After taking over with four games to go in 2015, Rob Boras remains at offensive coordinator. Plus, the team hired Mike Groh to be its passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.

    Fisher said he’s already noticed growth for the receivers under Groh, specifically mentioning Brian Quick. The head coach expects the new-look offense to significantly increase wide receiver Tavon Austin’s production.

    “When it’s all said and done, we’ll be able to look back and, I think, see Tavon maybe double in catches over what he had last year,” Fisher said. “And that’s the most important thing, is just get the chunks down the field.”

    As for who will be throwing Austin those passes, quarterback Case Keenum was the first to take snaps under center on Tuesday. Fisher said Keenum received between 60 to 70 percent of the Day 1 reps. And while that situation will likely change sooner than later with rookie Jared Goff’s expected development, Fisher isn’t concerned about the sense of competition between the QBs.

    “The room’s not an issue because all of them are professional,” Fisher said. “But they also understand that the reps are going to change. And as soon as Jared comes along in becoming more familiar with things, then we’ll start increasing his reps. So there’s a lot of reps to go around.”

    According to the head coach, the No. 1 overall pick handled his first reps of OTAs well, just as expected.

    “I’ve watched him throw a lot of balls, and he did fine,” Fisher said. “He’s accurate. He knows where to put it. He knows what shoulder to put it on. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. Today was good for him because he got to go up against a defense — a defense that was running full speed that’s somewhat sophisticated.”

    While Goff didn’t take reps with the unit today, Fisher said he’ll mix in Goff with the first-team offense sooner than later.

    “As soon as Jared comes along in becoming more familiar with things, then we’ll start increasing his reps,” Fisher said. “I want to make sure he gets “one” reps at least two, three, or four days through the OTAs.”

    And so with Day 1 in the books, Fisher said the team is off to a good start for Phase III.

    “Everybody we expected to be here was here,” Fisher said, “and I felt we got in a lot of good work for the first day.”

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    If you hate Gandhi so much, maybe you should
    just stop eating Indian food.

    I eat Indian food to spite him.

    in reply to: could all these things happen at the same time? #45146
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    1. tavon austin becomes more than just a multipurpose weapon and develops as a wide receiver.
    2. todd gurley’s knee is one year healthier and stronger and he becomes that much more explosive.
    3. robert quinn come back healthy.
    4. alec ogletree comes back healthy and shows leadership at the middle linebacker position.
    5. greg robinson finally puts it all together and becomes a good to very good left tackle.
    6. rob havenstein builds off his rookie year and becomes a very good to great right tackle.
    7. rodger saffold stays healthy.
    8. one of higbee, cooper, or thomas has a surprise rookie year and can contribute 700-800 yards receiving.
    9. ej gaines comes back healthy and shows the consistency that jenkins wasn’t always capable of.
    10. rams find a sleeper among the udfa’s to become the rams’ starting free safety.
    11. goff, having help in the backfield in the form of gurley as well as a stable offensive line, shows enough ability as a rookie to spread the ball around and keep defenses from keying in on gurley.

    is this too much to ask?

    A lot of those are very plausible.

    The ones I take as less plausible are numbers 7 and 10.

    7 doesn’t matter because they have 4 guards (Reynolds, Saffold, Brown, Wichman).

    10? I can’t see GW putting the FS duties on a rookie. But they do have more veteran candidates ahead of the rookies anyway…and it’s helped by the fact that a GW free safety isn’t a classic centerfielder. He’s more of a deep last line of defense and has to read and tackle. They have possibly 4 candidates for that: Bryant, Alexander, C.Davis, and Joyner.

    IMO if Randolph comes through (and I wouldn’t bet against it) it will be next year. I like him as much as you do btw.

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    Well, I’m sure somewhere in the deep-mystery of the Universe,
    your wife wants to kick your ass for thinking that you ‘failed her’.

    You did everything you could, given what you knew, and the circumstances.

    I have to echo that.

    Well said and true.

    I read that entire story, ozone, as a moving memorial and a testimony to your devotion, love, and care.

    My only inevitably inadequate response is that I am honored you posted that for us.

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    BS. Japan freed India from British rule by degrading their military and holdings in Asia. Ghandi sat around and got lucky he wasn’t in a french colony.

    Well…we will just have to disagree on that one.

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    Well said.

    Except it was all ironic! Gandhi DID fight for freedom and independence from a foreign imperial system.

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    avon is what he is. a multipurpose weapon. a better version of danny woodhead or darren sproles.

    which isn’t bad. i think he could even get 1000+ yards from scrimmage this year and double digit tds this year (he had 9 tds last year).

    but i think it’s gonna have to be one of higbee, cooper, or thomas to break out as a receiver. or maybe even britt.

    Yeah I agree with that.

    He ain’t a pure receiver.

    But that don’t mean he’s ineffective as a weapon.

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    Tavon Austin poised to have a big year in L.A.

    Keith Rivas

    https://lasportshub.com/2016/05/29/tavon-austin-poised-to-have-a-big-year-in-l-a/

    We could see Tavon Austin develop into something special in Los Angeles.

    The new change of scenario is great for the Rams franchise, and the idea of getting a fresh start on the offensive end isn’t a bad place for the team to be either.

    That in mind, wide receiver Tavon Austin has to go into this next season with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, despite the reality of lofty expectations for the former top-ten pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

    Developing other weapons on offense like running back Todd Gurley and rookie quarterback Jared Goff will be crucial in Austin’s further development and role with the team.

    As a report from SB Nation’s Turf Show Times explains, the emphasis for this next season is on how Los Angeles uses Austin, as that will make all the difference on the field.

    Expectations for Austin are only going to increase now that the Rams added two receiving threats in Pharoh Cooper and Michael Thomas.

    Austin was practically ineffective during the 2014-15 season, scoring no touchdowns on 31 catches, 44 targets, and 15 games played in his sophomore year in the NFL.

    Compared to last year, however, Austin’s vision on the field, explosiveness, and ability to weave in, around, and even through defenses is getting better with more experience.

    And the numbers speak for themselves.

    While Austin has only gotten nine touchdowns during his tenure in the league, five of them came from the chaotic Rams offense of a year ago.

    If Los Angeles can provide stability at the quarterback position throughout at least the majority of the season, Austin should do just fine if he’s continually given the opportunity to perform.

    The Rams can get the help they need from Austin, he just needs this season to go out and prove himself on the field away from the lofty goals he failed to reach in St. Louis.

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    Canada- My sources are two Canadian widows from a couple of FB support groups.

    Well I am Canadian originally and have family there.

    The wait time thing is on elective procedures only, and that was a deliberate policy choice—keep costs down when it comes to elective procedures.

    Either way, here is one advantage of single-payer over private insurance: with private insurance, billions upon billions of dollars go to things like advertizing, executive salaries, lobbying (they are one of the biggest in spending on lobbying), and campaign donations. That doesn’t happen with public health insurance.

    There’s also administrative costs that have an effect on all health care costs. These are costs that exist solely because medical providers must deal with multiple insurance companies, while insurance companies must all pay clerks etc to handle all those transactions on their side. With public insurance this is all cut down on both sides to be much more efficient and much less costly.

    http://fortune.com/2014/10/20/health-insurance-future/

    In 1991, Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, two Harvard doctors with an interest in health policy, published a paper in The New England Journal of Medicine in which they estimated that health care administration constituted somewhere between 19% and 24% of total spending on health care, an amount that was 117% higher than what it was in Canada and much more than in the U.K.

    Their updated estimate, once again published in The New England Journal of Medicine, found that administration accounted for about 31% of health care spending and that more than 27% of all of the people employed in health care worked in administrative and clerical occupations.

    This large administrative expense is not surprising. It costs money for health care providers to deal with multiple insurers, each with its own protocols, forms, and requirements. And it costs money for insurers to be able to transact with multiple providers and to furnish the oversight—which many would consider more annoying than helpful—of health care delivery.

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    Wagoner mailbag, 5/29…part 2

    I have talked to a few people in the Rams organization about this topic [the 2016 UDFAs] and there have been a few names that have popped up. The Rams are high on some of the receivers they brought in as rookie free agents, specifically the likes of Paul McRoberts, Nelson Spruce, Marquez North and Duke Williams. They hope that at least one of those players can show enough to stick around. Beyond that, a few other names to file away are safety Brian Randolph, cornerback Jabriel Washington, offensive lineman Jordan Swindle and running back Aaron Green. My way-too-early pick to emerge is Randolph (though again, it’s way too early to project). His combination of ability on special teams and track record in the SEC plus the team’s need at safety would seem to make him a contender for a roster spot. But let’s also be clear: The “biggest impact” from this group probably isn’t going to mean starting and playing a lot right away.

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    Jared Goff takes center stage as Rams begin OTAs today

    Darin Gantt

    Jared Goff takes center stage as Rams begin OTAs today

    The Rams are the last team in the league to start their OTAs, so it’s time to see the first pick in the draft.

    So while it’s effectively the first day of class, it’s still an important test for quarterback Jared Goff, as he leads the entire team onto the field today.

    “Just kind of stay low and gain their respect,” Goff said of his goal this week, via Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times.

    Of course, keeping a low profile is harder when your team makes such a dramatic move to get you, as the Rams did trading up to the No. 1 overall pick this year.

    Goff has been through some degree of positional work and has a rookie minicamp under his belt, but today will be the first real glimpse of him with the team, and there’s a natural curiosity among them, to see if he can be the quarterback they need to become something other than 7-9

    “I’m excited for him,” cornerback Trumaine Johnson said. “He’s going to go out there and make plays — and he’s going to make mistakes. That’s what a rookie quarterback does.

    “But we drafted him for a reason, to come in here and win games. And I feel like we can win games with him.”

    Of course, the Rams may trot Case Keenum out there first in the quarterback line for show, but the team is obviously in Goff’s hands, and he gets a chance to show what he can do with it today.

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    Jared Goff plans to ‘stay low’ at Rams OTAs

    Bob Hille

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/jared-goff-rams-otas-los-angeles-nick-foles-case-keenum/5uc019puc3ld177eghk0t5gvr

    After five weeks of mostly position-group work, the Rams on Tuesday were set to begin organized team activities at their temporary training base in Oxnard, Calif.

    It marks the day No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff starts to try and show the entire team what all the NFL Draft hubbub was about.

    Goff has said he intends to keep his head down, work hard and lead by his actions, not words, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    “Just kind of stay low and gain their respect,” he said.

    Case Keenum, Nick Foles and Sean Mannion are the other QBs on the Rams’ roster as coach Jeff Fisher and his staff will oversee six noncontact practices that will be closed to the public. (Media will get a peek during four.)

    But all eyes will be on one.

    “We drafted him for a reason, to come in here and win games. And I feel like we can win games with him,” veteran cornerback Trumaine Johnson said.

    Goff began developing relationships with first-year players early this month at rookie orientation and minicamp. Now he’ll work on building a rapport with veterans — all while trying to soak up a new offense and transitioning from Cal’s “Bear Raid” spread offense that had him playing almost exclusively out of the shotgun.

    According to ESPN.com, the Rams will likely sprinkle in shotgun concepts in OTAs to help ease the transition, but they also will work on getting him comfortable under center. And then there’s another on-field adjustment: the speed he’s going to see on defense.

    “His head is probably spinning trying to get the playbook down pat,” left tackle Greg Robinson, the No. 2 pick in 2014, told the Times, recalling his first OTAs. “No. 1. That’s a lot of pressure. … He’s the man, so I can just imagine what he’s going through.”

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    He says screw the vast
    field of research, bombing civilians is always wrong.

    Yeah well Gandhi is free to say that because of all the brave american men and women who bombed Tokyo for a living during the war.

    If not for that he would be living under some kind of foreign imperial system without national independence.

    In other words he would actually have to fight for his freedom himself, as opposed to blithely criticizing those who did it for him.

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    Sorry to hear your story ozone.

    On Italy. Italy is not a single-payer public insurance system. The medical industry itself is part public, which is technically called socialized medicine (although in this case it is a mixed system). Socialized medicine and single-payer insurance systems are different. In contrast to Italy, for example, in the Canadian single-payer system, the medical industry is private and only the insurance is public.

    In Italy:

    …healthcare is provided to all citizens and residents by a mixed public-private system. The public part is the national health service, Sistema sanitario nazionale (SSN), which is organized under the Ministry of Health and is administered on a regional basis.

    Family doctors are entirely paid by the SSN, must offer visiting time at least five days a week and have a limit of 1500 patients. Patients can choose and change their GP, subjected to availability.

    On, however, single payer and wait times in Canada:

    http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/single-payer-does-not-equal-increased-wait-times/

    Now it’s possible that single payer systems can lead to increased wait times. In Canada, they keep spending far below what we put out. They do so partially by spacing out visits for elective procedures and such. That’s a conscious decision, and it leads to some people waiting for elective care. But that’s an outcome of their financial conservatism, not the single payer system. Other countries (think France) don’t have the same issues with elective procedures because they spend more money. Our single payer system (Medicare) has far fewer spending restraints, and does not suffer from the wait time problem

    That is, the decision to have longer wait times for elective procedures in Canada is a deliberate Canadian fiscally conservartive policy, not a direct result of a single-payer system.

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    Rams last to begin OTAs with plenty of work to do

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/29548/rams-last-to-begin-otas-with-plenty-of-work-to-do

    OXNARD, Calif. — The Los Angeles Rams are set to begin organized team activities Tuesday as the last team in the NFL to embark on the final stage of the offseason program.

    That the Rams are the last to begin is mostly inconsequential. The decision to begin later actually comes with a reason. Coach Jeff Fisher has long been a believer in getting his rookie class acclimated to the team before throwing them in with the veterans for the closest thing the offseason program offers to a regular-season practice.

    “We want them to go out and condition and be prepared to go into the drills,” Fisher said. “Our offseason program is this, we can’t come together until June, until the OTAs. So that’s when the offense and defense come together and compete, so we’re separate, so they’ll just be drilling. That’s an excellent opportunity to get them up. Once they come together in the OTAs in June, then they’ll be able to compete.

    “So it works out good — you get more out of the vets, the ‘rooks’ get to see it. Once we get to OTAs, everything will be good.”

    Well, we are now to OTAs with practices this week set for Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. Over the following two weeks, the Rams are also scheduled to have OTAs on June 7, 8 and 10, with a mandatory minicamp set for June 14-16. In past years, Fisher has eschewed that final minicamp so long as his team has strong participation in the offseason program to that point. With only six OTAs on the schedule and teams allowed up to 10, it’s possible minicamp could be canceled and more OTA dates added that final week.

    Regardless of how the schedule plays out, there’s still plenty of work to do over the next three weeks. Last week, we asked five questions that need answers during OTAs.

    Here’s a look at some of the things the Rams would like to accomplish in the coming days and weeks:

    Get the offense down — It’s unlikely the Rams will install a drastically different offense than what they’ve run in the past, but it’s also safe to say there will be some tweaks now that Rob Boras is settled in as offensive coordinator full time. Boras and passing game coordinator Mike Groh will attempt to get the offense installed during OTAs so the team, especially quarterback Jared Goff, has a solid working knowledge of it when the Rams come back for training camp in July.

    Fill holes on defense — The Rams still have plenty of talent on defense, but some of that has been reconfigured because of the free-agent departures of cornerback Janoris Jenkins and safety Rodney McLeod, and the release of end Chris Long and linebacker James Laurinaitis. The Rams plan to lean on in-house options such as cornerback E.J. Gaines, linebacker Alec Ogletree and end William Hayes to fill the void. As for McLeod’s spot, that’s something we’ll truly get a feel for during these OTAs as players such as Maurice Alexander, Cody Davis, Christian Bryant and even Lamarcus Joyner could get a look there.

    Mix in the rookies — As mentioned above, the Rams haven’t been quick to put the rookies in with the veterans but will do it in a practice setting for the first time during these OTAs. It’s natural that the rookies will have a lot of catching up to do, but the question is how much? Goff, in particular, will be an interesting case. The Rams have made it clear they don’t intend to rush Goff, but they can at least give him his first look at an NFL defense and see where he stands as he adjusts to a pro-style offense

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    (It works the same for other interpretations too.)

    That works both ways.

    Yeah I know…and I said as much.

    That’s one reason why I said it is a debate that cannot be won.

    Another reason is that there is a vast amount to consider in even discussing it.

    I didn’t say anything btw about anyone being simplisitc, in case that was aimed at me. I tried to stress that:

    People just have to make an honest effort to be informed, and then out of the myriad of slippery factors, make a choice that suits them and that they can stand behind.

    Which I think everyone in this thread has done.

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    bnw,

    We’ll never agree on this one. I think the evidence shows that it was absolutely unnecessary

    Some evidence viewed a certain way can lead to that interpretation

    I have never shared that interpretation myself, for a lot reasons.

    Either way that’s all it is. An interpretation. An argument. I find that people who tend to advocate the “not militarily necessary” interpretation are strongly pre-disposed to that interpretation to begin with. (It works the same for other interpretations too.) But if you survey the vast field of research on this, and I mean all of it from every angle, it never appears that simple.

    This is a debate that can never be “won.” People just have to make an honest effort to be informed, and then out of the myriad of slippery factors, make a choice that suits them and that they can stand behind.

    Which I think everyone in this thread has done.

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    . This month, the Baltimore Ravens lost three of their allowed 10 OTA periods and received a fine. Why? Because they allowed players to wear pads during rookie minicamp, reportedly during a drill that lasted five minutes.

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    It’s time for Rams to get serious about football with final stage of OTAs set to begin.

    RICH HAMMOND

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-717653-otas-players.html

    Welcome to the final stage of OTAs, which now transition from summer camp to training camp.

    Sure, the Rams have been working in Oxnard since mid-April. There’s been weightlifting, running, drills and meetings on top of meetings. But now, as the major offseason work draws to a close, it’s time for the Rams to get serious about football.

    Beginning Tuesday afternoon, the Rams will be on the field three times a week, for two hours a day, until late June. It’s not quite a practice – there’s no full-speed hitting and tackling – but it’s also not two-hand touch in the park.

    Organized team activities, commonly known as OTAs, provide NFL players and coaches to get together in the summer and improve. Players can meet new teammates and coaches. Rookies mix with veterans for the first time. Updated playbooks are distributed. The sessions don’t necessarily translate to improvement in the fall, but they certainly don’t hurt.

    The OTAs are particularly important for the Rams, because the presumption is that recent No. 1 overall draft pick Jared Goff will win the starting quarterback job in August. These sessions give Goff the chance to build chemistry with his new linemen and receivers.

    The Rams have a different attitude about OTAs than some teams. The sessions are strictly optional for players, but teams have the right to hold one mandatory mini-camp for veterans in June. Rams coach Jeff Fisher has something of a wink-nod agreement with his veterans: show up for OTAs, and there won’t be a mandatory camp. So the Rams expect good attendance this week.

    Don’t look for an influx of Rams at the airport this morning, though, because this is the culmination of weeks’ worth of OTAs, a phenomenon that has grown since the NFL was last in Southern California in 1994.

    This is the third and final stage of OTAs. Players first convened in mid-April, mostly for conditioning work. In the second phase, players were allowed on the field, but offensive and defensive players were not allowed to do drills together. The team also held a three-day mini-camp for rookies, who were not allowed to work out with veterans.

    The NFL is not casual about this stuff. This month, the Baltimore Ravens lost three of their allowed 10 OTA periods and received a fine. Why? Because they allowed players to wear pads during rookie minicamp, reportedly during a drill that lasted five minutes.

    So the Rams won’t want to mess around, but they’ll be happy to get to work. Goff can work with Fisher and newly installed permanent offensive coordinator Rob Boras, and the Rams can run through mock-game scenarios. This is the last time players and coaches will be allowed to work together before the start of training camp in late July in Irvine.

    It’s also a chance for players’ stock to rise or recede, and not just high-profile guys. Yes, all eyes will be on Goff, but given that teams can (and often do) make roster cuts and additions during the summer, performance in OTAs might make a difference between an NFL job and the Arena Football League.

    The OTA sessions are not open to the public, and media members are not allowed to watch until Wednesday, but here are five players who have a lot to gain or lose during the next three weeks.

    • Dominique Easley, DT: Easley was a first-round draft pick of New England in 2014 and a defensive-line starter at the beginning of last season, but he has been unable to stay healthy, a reputation he first earned in his college days at Florida.

    The Patriots released Easley in April and the Rams signed him in May. It’s unlikely that Easley would supplant either Aaron Donald or Michael Brockers as a starting defensive tackle, but he certainly could play his way into the rotation.

    • E.J. Gaines, CB: Gaines was set to be a starter for the Rams in 2015, but suffered a major foot injury in training camp and was lost for the season. Now the Rams need a replacement for Janoris Jenkins, who signed a big free-agent contract with the New York Giants.

    Gaines should have the first chance to play opposite Trumaine Johnson, but the Rams also brought in free-agent cornerback Coty Sensabaugh.

    • Lance Kendricks, TE: When the Rams released starting tight end Jared Cook in February, it opened an opportunity for Kendricks, who had played a supplemental role to Cook for the past three seasons. Things got more complicated in April, when the Rams used draft picks on tight ends Tyler Higbee and Temarrick Hemingway.

    That’s not a very strong endorsement for Kendricks, a former second-round pick whose catch totals have dropped in each of the past three seasons. He needs to show the Rams he can handle a bigger role.

    • Duke Williams, WR: Williams once described himself as a player with first-round talent but “my character is a seventh-round pick.” That’s a fair self-assessment for a talented receiver who went undrafted this year after he was kicked off Auburn’s team last season.

    Williams, listed at 6-foot-2, 229 pounds, certainly would be a nice big target and possession receiver for Goff, but must prove that he can be a good citizen off the field.

    • Greg Zuerlein, K: Once hailed as “Legatron,” Zuerlein struggled last season and fell out of favor with the Rams. They re-signed him this spring, but declared that he will face competition for his job.

    Of particular concern is Zuerlein’s mid-range accuracy. Last season, he made only 5 of 8 attempts from 40-49 yards. In his first three seasons, Zuerlein was 17 of 19 from that range. The only other kicker in OTAs is undrafted free agent Taylor Bertolet from Texas A&M.

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    The Rams are holding their third and final period of organized team activities (OTAs) starting Tuesday. Players and coaches will be on the field, running through plays and scenarios, but the sessions are less intense than regular-season practices.

    Where: River Ridge Fields, Oxnard

    Who: All veterans and rookies are invited to participate, and while the sessions are optional, the Rams expect strong attendance.

    When: Three times a week, starting Tuesday, but the two-hour on-field sessions are not open to the public.

    Why: Think of it as the NFL’s version of college football’s spring practice. The Rams haven’t been together since mid-January, so OTAs present them an opportunity to sharpen their skills together before the start of training camp in late July.

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    Jets and Ryan Fitzpatrick Mess Reaching New Levels

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/jets-ryan-fitzpatrick-mess-reaching-164632709.html

    If you were looking for a nice relaxing Memorial Day weekend, you probably should have avoided anything having to do with the Jets. It was a battle for the hearts and minds of the Jets fanbase being waged via media reports and headlines. After the smoke cleared (if it even has really), we are left with the notion that the front office is low balling Ryan Fitzpatrick with a deal that would pay him backup level money. Let’s sift through this mess and find a potential solution.

    Jets Willing to Offer Multiple Years

    Initial reports had us believing that the Jets were only interested in Fitzpatrick at a one year deal. Couple that with the team taking Penn State’s Christian Hackenberg in the 2nd Round of the draft and the Jets’ plan seems fairly obvious. Sign Fitzpatrick to a short, one year deal to bridge to Hackenberg. Yet the current offer on the table, according to Fitz’s camp, has the Jets offering him a three year, front loaded deal. Both the Jets and Fitz must realize that he is not in the long term plans, so why offer him anything that involves money in a second or third year? And does Fitzpatrick really have any other team offering him any money at all, let alone guaranteed money?
    Fitzpatrick Wants More Guaranteed Money

    The aforementioned three year offer had a $12,000,000 salary in year one along with $8,000,000 per year in the following two seasons. Presumably, this structure would have most, if not all, of the guaranteed money in the first season. Again, Fitz’s replacement is already on the roster. For the Jets to make any offer in the seven digit range I would only hope does not involve affecting the 2017 salary cap. Fitz has rejected this reported three year deal, essentially telling the Jets he wants both more money and more years. For a player with no other interested party, who has never played in a playoff game, Fitz is going all out in his demands. For the record, I only like the idea of resigning Fitzpatrick at a one year deal with not a penny more than $8,000,000 guaranteed. He is not part of the Jets long-term plans and his body of work tells us that he is not worth any more than that.
    Too Much Bad Blood to Move Forward?

    My biggest take away from all of the back and forth of the last few days is how nasty the negotiations are being perceived. There is an obvious disconnect between both parties and considering June is already upon us, is there too much bad blood to get a deal done? The Jets are already leaking stories about how strong Geno Smith has looked in early offseason work. Contrast to that, fan favorites Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker are publicly siding with Fitzpatrick. For a team that is stock full of veterans that needs to win this season, there is way too much turmoil for my liking. I see so many talking heads just assume a deal will get done, but all I see are two sides drifting further apart.

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    ZN,

    But the point of recent historical research is that it (dropping the bombs) didn’t bring an end to war.

    I did not read that as recent historical research supplanting other positions. I read it as one possible interpretation among others, and not, to me, a complete or completely historically grounded one. I actually don’t buy the argument.

    This issue is an old discussion and has swirled in many directions at once over the years.

    That’s fine. We disagree on this one. But doesn’t it at least give you pause that so many generals (and admirals) said it wasn’t necessary at all, including Ike and Nimitz? I listed some of their quotes. They said it wasn’t needed to end the war. That Japan would have surrendered months earlier if we hadn’t been so adamant about “unconditional” surrender. And their only “condition” was to keep their emperor as figure-head. An extremely small price to pay to really, truly “save countless lives.”

    Dropping the bombs obviously didn’t save any. It cost at least 300,000 civilian deaths that first year. Who knows how many have died since that first year, due to radiation, etc.?

    Anyway, I’m more than convinced by the arguments from others I presented (going back to the start of the thread), and do see them “well-ground” historically. I also see them as brave. Very brave. It’s all but “sacred ground” to argue against WWII policies and our sense of the “greatest generation.” I’ve seen this among conservatives and right-libertarians, especially. The same folks who believe in all kinds of “false flag” ops and basically consider our government evil, simply will not accept that dropping the bomb was wrong — strategically or morally. They draw the line there. Obama is supposedly purposely trying to destroy America, but no way could Truman have gone in a different direction.

    Oh, well. I just want peace. Won’t live to see it. But I want it for the youth of the world, at least.

    No, I have to say that gives me no pause at all. None of this is new. You can pull up articles on this issue going back to the 80s and sometimes even the 40s (archive material) and the internal american debate is not new.

    Plus I have read countless nuanced, fact-rich debates asking whether or not the Potsdam declarations even threatened the emperor. Plus in the wake of the surrender the emperor did renounce his divinity, which is one reason most non-japanese could even name the present japanese emperor (Akihito) let alone tell you if they had one.

    One key for me is that Hirohito himself stated in his speech advocating surrender that with the bomb japan faced extinction as a people. It allowed him to make the most face-saving move possible. Meanwhile one argument for Hirohito advocating surrender is that giving in because of the bomb saved him from having to give in due to internal popular rebellion against the war. (That was a real consideration.) Meanwhile strong military factions within the country were so resistant to surrender that close allies of Hirohito’s had to hide the recording of his surrender speech before it was broadcast to keep it out of the hands of diehards who wanted to destroy it. (In fact there was a coup and the leaders of the coup did search for the recording in order to destroy it.)

    So I have seen sentiment go back and forth on this over the years, but as of right now, this is my position. I don’t see the “new” arguments as new, I just see them as a trend. There is a swing in sentiment. I also don’t buy them. In fact if anything they tend to shift the ground away from Japan toward internal american debate. There is a ton of nuance, contradiction, and detail on the japanese side of it. In face the governing japanese Council that debated the surrender had to meet with only the key members present because they knew they had to discuss at least the possibility of surrender and they also knew whoever advocated it faced the possibility of assassination by diehards (in the night of the coup I just mentioned, there were in fact attempted assassinations.)

    So, duh, none of this is simple.

    I don’t see those arguments as brave, either. Nor as the opposite of brave. I just see them as more people doing now what people have always done before over this—wrestle with it. It was the same when I was 17.

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    ZN,

    But the point of recent historical research is that it (dropping the bombs) didn’t bring an end to war.

    I did not read that as recent historical research supplanting other positions. I read it as one possible interpretation among others, and not, to me, a complete or completely historically grounded one. I actually don’t buy the argument.

    This issue is an old discussion and has swirled in many directions at once over the years.

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    I’ve read a lot of military history about WW 2 including about the japanese surrender.

    BNW, I have to say, I didn’t like that article much.

    First, I am not against the use of nukes in WW2. I also believe Truman acted out of the desire to bring the war to an end and reduce future casualties (on both sides).

    But the reason I don’t like that article is because it’s not a serious discussion of the issues. It’s more of a conservative blogger trying to pick on (very cherry picked) arguments…

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    Why aren’t you against the use of Atom bombs in WW II ?

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    Partly I criticize it…but maybe not for the reasons most do.

    I do see the N-bombings as serving a beneficial purpose. Japan actually really was stalling on unconditional surrender. They weren’t willing to disarm, to allow war crimes trials, to allow an occupation, etc. The problem is, Japan at that time was basically ruled by the military police (the infamous Kempeitai). And Japanese war crimes were beyond description (reading about the medical experiments alone would freeze your blood, and that was just part of it). And so on. Part of my response has to do with the fact that, ironically, given that he was in essence an egotistical bastard, MacArthur’s occupation was not only benign it was beneficial. Without the occupation the (for lack of a better term) fascist elements controlling that society would not have been so easily displaced. MacArthur left behind him a modern democracy.

    In terms of the atomic bombs themselves, they were merely the more dramatic form of what the USA and Britain had already been doing for years—mass bombing against civilian targets. Dresden, Berlin…and read up on the fire bombing of Tokyo some time. They deliberate dropped thousands of incendiary bombs on a city that was mostly made of wood. More than 15 square miles of the city was destroyed and 100,000 or more people (mostly civilians) were killed.

    In most respects the difference between Dresden and Tokyo on one hand and Hiroshima on the other hand is that the latter was just one bomb. But its psychological force was such that it ended the war…Dresden and Tokyo didn’t end the war.

    So I find myself critical of the mass bombing of civilian targets in general and that policy actually was central to the allied effort in WW 2. The only distinction I make is that N-bombing could and did force surrender while the years worth of mass civilian bomb that came before that–and which was in every other respect no different—could not end the war.

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    I’ve read a lot of military history about WW 2 including about the japanese surrender.

    BNW, I have to say, I didn’t like that article much.

    First, I am not against the use of nukes in WW2. I also believe Truman acted out of the desire to bring the war to an end and reduce future casualties (on both sides).

    But the reason I don’t like that article is because it’s not a serious discussion of the issues. It’s more of a conservative blogger trying to pick on (very cherry picked) arguments from whatever it is he imagines “the left” is. It’s basically just Rush Limbaugh level superficial and polemical. It’s flag-waving for like minded people…and therefore not very serious.

    The REAL history is much more interesting than that.

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    First something ag posted, then somethin new on that:

    from 2016 NFL Draft: The Aftermath

    2016 NFL Draft: The Aftermath

    Michael Jordan — I think by now everyone knows I wanted to see Jordan in the horns. I’m very high on this kid. And his name alone will make him an absolute star on Hard Knocks. He wore 23 in college, and with Rodney McLeod departing for the Eagles, the number 23 is available. It will only add to the story if he gets it. Aside from being destined for his 15 minutes of fame come august, Jordan is a damn good football player. The magic number is 74! Yes that’s right 74, it’s the number total plays where Jordan touched the ball in some form, preventing the catch. He finished his four year career with 16 interceptions and 58 passes broken up. Those are insane numbers for ball production. And technically it puts his ball skills up there with the absolute best players in the draft. Then again he was a former wide receiver, as he came to Missouri Western labeled as an athlete. He can play both corner and safety and his versatility and ball skills will make him a hard man for Fisher to move on from as those are two things he loves. The only area he needs to really show well in which to date has not been apart of his game, is physicality. Despite his size at 6’1″ 200 lbs, he doesn’t bring it as much as one would assume. That will have to change in this Gregg Williams ran defense…

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    Los Angeles Rams undrafted gem: DB Mike Jordan

    Sayre Bedinger

    link: http://nflmocks.com/2016/05/21/los-angeles-rams-undrafted-gem-db-mike-jordan/

    The Los Angeles Rams had the top pick in the draft, but what kind of gem did they find when the draft concluded? Here’s a look at DB Mike Jordan…

    The Los Angeles Rams came away from this year’s draft with a significantly improved offense, at least on paper, but what about the defensive side of the ball?

    The only draft selection used on that side of the ball was for sixth rounder Josh Forrest, so they would have to take to the crop of undrafted players to get some potential impact on that side of the ball from the class of 2016.

    One player that could make an impact is Missouri Western defensive back Mike Jordan, a consensus first-team All-American and one of the top D2 players in the country regardless of position. At 6-0, 200 pounds with a 4.60 40-yard dash, Jordan is a well-built DB prospect with good enough speed to play inside at nickel or as a safety, and showed that he has the ability to also play outside at the cornerback position, and play it really well…

    With a 37-inch vertical and a broad jump of 10’7″, it’s clear that Jordan’s 40-time is not indicative of his overall athletic ability.

    The Rams currently have a really interesting situation at safety with T.J. McDonald and Mark Barron, though Barron plays some linebacker as well and they don’t have a true free safety with Rodney McLeod departed for the Philadelphia Eagles.

    This past season, Jordan put together some impressive numbers, picking off five passes while breaking up 17 more. The year prior, he had four interceptions and 12 more pass breakups. His ability to play the ball makes him a really interesting candidate to see some snaps at free safety this year for the Rams.

    He was a starter as a freshman and was named conference freshman of the year in 2012, and has been increasing in productivity ever since. I don’t know if he fell out of the draft because of a 4.6 40-time or not, but the Rams got a steal here and someone who might take some time to develop and adjust to the speed of the NFL, but he is a player that looks like he can make an impact sooner rather than later.

    Jordan said after the draft that he first heard from the Rams in the sixth round, even though they decided not to draft him there. The coaching staff was excited for the opportunity to get him, so the recruiting pitch began there in a sense.

    To get him after the draft is basically like stealing an additional day three pick. He has as much upside as you will find in anyone picked in the 5th round or later, which is why he’s my undrafted gem for the Rams.

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    from: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/29/carolina-panthers-ron-rivera-nfl-super-bowl-return

    Las Vegas Raiders?

    Commissioner Roger Goodell called the Raiders-to-Vegas talk “very premature” at the NFL’s quarterly league meeting last week in Charlotte, and that’s true. The potential move wasn’t an official agenda item at the meeting, because much is still TBD. The Nevada state legislature would need to approve any amount of public financing for a new stadium ($750 million has been proposed), and team owner Mark Davis said the Raiders are just beginning market research to see if the city of about 600,000 can support a local fan base.

    That research usually takes a couple months to complete. But there was plenty of chatter on the matter in Charlotte. Davis billed Las Vegas as a venue that could unite the Raiders’ Northern and Southern California fan bases, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones continued stumping for the entertainment appeal of the city over the league’s traditional aversion to having any ties to gambling. Since NFL bylaws require 24 of 32 owners to vote “yes” to approve any relocation bid, I polled a handful of owners, asking each the question: If everything lines up, would you vote to put a team in Vegas?

    John Mara, Giants: “I’m open-minded. I would want to hear a presentation about it and the pros and cons, and obviously there are some concerns, but I am not going to rule it out. The gambling, is the market deep enough to support an NFL team, what kind of stadium would be there, what kind of support are they going to get from the community? Those would be the concerns.”

    Do you think attitudes have changed within the league re:gambling?

    “You might be right. But until there is actually a presentation with all the pros and cons, I wouldn’t bet one way or the other at this point.”

    Bob McNair, Texans: “I would look favorably at it. I would like to hear all the arguments, make sure we are not overlooking something. But you have gambling all around you now, lotteries on every street corner. I don’t think it is the issue we viewed it to be 20 years ago. We want Oakland to get a good facility, and have stability with their franchise, and if this is an opportunity to do that, then I think it is something we need to seriously consider.”

    Jeffrey Lurie, Eagles: “I’d be open to it. My only question is, is it a really good NFL market? I’m not totally worried about a lot of other things. I am more worried, is it a great market for the NFL? I don’t know enough about that. I never thought about it much before. It has to support 70,000 every weekend. It is not an NBA team, like say the Thunder, which does an incredible job of supporting their smaller market. We have got to make sure it really will support a team if a team goes there, but I am open to it.”

    Jed York, 49ers: “I will wait to see, but if there is something that provides all the resources necessary, they go through all the steps and it is a project that works, I’d be supportive of the Raiders getting a new stadium anywhere. I know the Raiders have worked tirelessly to try to get a stadium done. It’s been difficult trying to move and have much progress in Oakland. They have been very upfront that they would like to stay, and if not, they need to make sure that they find a long-term home and long-term solution. … I think the stigma about Las Vegas is much different today than where it was in the past.”

    Woody Johnson, Jets: “Las Vegas is a very exciting market. Nevada is a very good place from a tax standpoint, very low taxes and no income tax. It depends what the deal is with the stadium, and with operating it, and what the league and Mark [Davis] feel are the opportunities there—if he feels he can fill up the stadium and get enough economic traction there with sponsors and all that. … I don’t know if [gambling] is as dominant an issue now as it was 10 years ago.”

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    L.A. Rams Quarterback, Fellow NFL Rookies Undergo Hollywood-Style Media Training

    Rebecca Sun

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/la-rams-quarterback-fellow-nfl-896859

    Every offseason for 22 years, NFL rookies quietly have hit L.A. for Hollywood-style media training. “It’s mentally exhausting,” says new Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott of the NFL Players Association Rookie Premiere, which took place May 19 to 21 at the Loews Hollywood Hotel. “You don’t want to look like an idiot off the field.”

    The annual event has traditionally been held to orient the rookies to their new job’s off-field demands (and lucrative opportunities), meeting sponsors and being shot for their official trading cards and Madden video-game avatars. This year, the Rookie Premiere involved more content capture than ever before, thanks to the presence of ACE Media, the NFLPA-owned content company that was launched last September.

    Eight months in, ACE Media has developed more than 300 pieces of content featuring more than 275 NFL players, and additionally has about 25 projects in varying stages of development. At the Rookie Premiere, Houston Texans wide receiver Braxton Miller filmed a sketch for Branding U, an upcoming webseries that’s the result of a new partnership between ACE and Lorne Michaels’ similarly-nascent sports comedy platform The Kicker. Despite his lack of acting experience, Miller took direction well, ad-libbing with the comedian who plays the show’s self-described sports marketing guru.

    “Athletes often are very coachable,” The Kicker general manager Grant Jones tells The Hollywood Reporter. “And they’re so competitive that they always want to be good at whatever they’re doing – which in this case is comedy.”

    Other ACE Media partners unveiled at the Rookie Premiere include the mobile video app 120 Sports, which hosted a steady stream of players sitting down for interviews and showcasing their surprising talents (Seattle Seahawks running back Alex Collins demonstrated his Irish jig), and Spotify. THR can exclusively reveal that ACE Media is one of the streaming music giant’s inaugural partners in its foray into video, teaming up for the series Trading Playlists, which features two NFL players sharing their musical tastes for a day and discovering more about one another in the process.

    “We want to showcase these players in a different way,” ACE Media CEO Scott Langerman tells THR. “Despite the incredible popularity of the NFL, even the most diehard fans really only know about a handful of guys beyond statistics and highlights. There are guys who never get seen without their helmet, and you might not know that one’s a classical musician, or an artist, or a cook, so that’s a big part of why we’re here: to take the helmets off.”

    Langerman acknowledged that not every player is comfortable or interested in off-field endeavors. One of them may well be the Los Angeles Rams’ quarterback Jared Goff, the top pick in April’s NFL draft. But although he has vowed to avoid the hype of the L.A. scene – “it’s as big a distraction as you make it,” he tells THR – the NFLPA considers him a likely top merchandise seller. Fortunately, the union feels the same way about the Cowboys’ Elliott, a charismatic player who already turned heads with his formal half-shirt at the draft. Taking in all that the Rookie Premiere had to offer, he joked that he’s eyeing a specific apparel line: “I’m looking for a company that’s gonna embrace my crop top.”

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    Rams Go Back to School

    The Rams teach the 2016 Rookie Class how to have success on and off the field through their Rookie Orientation program.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Rams-Go-Back-to-School/a33acec6-8d31-43ca-a988-4418979acf13

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    Thank you, all.

    52 years young (don’t feel a day over 51 99/100’s…).

    When I feel old, I just think of my dad. He is 93 and is in an Assisted Living facility. They are recognizing him tomorrow for being a vet. My son and I will go there tomorrow for the 10AM service.

    Thank you all for being here to talk with. Although I have never met any of you in person, I consider you all friends in spirit and partners in crime.

    Sto Lat!

    Well spoken TSRF, good sentiments. Hope you had a good birthday.

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