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Some positional drills were done on this side of the field but all of the 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 were on the far field. And, with the crowd being so large, it made it difficult to get up & move. I waited patiently for some of the scrimmaging to be moved back to the near field but it never happened.
A short list of things I noticed in no particular order:
– Quentin Coples is a big DE. However, I was surprised that he did not move gracefully like the other DE’s. He kind of lumbers as he moves across the LOS. It made me understand better why maybe the Jets had him playing DE in their 3-4 system. But, this only a few positional drills. I will get to see go him against the O-line this coming week (Tues & Wed)
– DB positional drills happened in front of me. Lamarcus Joyner looks very quick in the drills compared to his teammates. Also, Mike Jordan is 6’0″, 200lbs, good size and he has good hands.
– Punt returns: Bradley Marquez, Nelson Spruce and Pharoh Cooper showed really good technique in catching punts. Tavon dropped one of his first attempts, but the wind had picked up and caused most of the issue.
During the following week I hope to see more 11-on-11 to see the offense operate. I want to be to specualte on the personnel groupings, formations, and tendancies for each as they work against the defense. I find this to be the most helpful while watching games during the regular season.
znModeratorJeff Fisher Rams Camp Presser – 7/30
Head coach Jeff Fisher talks about the transition of relocation and getting down to business in Irvine. Coach also talked about numerous rosters moves including the release of QB Nick Foles.
znModeratorIf you already started this thread earlier, I just now subbed out the first post with a new one.
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znModeratorRams’ first official practice since their return to L.A. is a reality show, in the best sense
Bill Plaschke
http://www.dailypress.com/la-sp-rams-plaschke-201607230-snap-story.html
This whole business about the Rams returning to Los Angeles?
It just got real.
On a cloudless, scorching Saturday afternoon at UC Irvine, it filled bleachers surrounding two makeshift football fields with nearly 10,000 folks who sprinted to their seats early and stood screaming for autographs late.
All for a Rams event that had no score, no statistics and no drama.
It was just a practice. It was just a dummy-thumping, horn-rattling, saggy-sweats practice.
But this being the Rams’ first training-camp practice as a Los Angeles franchise in 22 years, it was horned gold.
“The people in St. Louis were like, we can’t root for the Rams because we’ll all be at the beach . . . well, I guess not,” said Randy Troy, a member of the former Bring Back the Los Angeles Rams group and one of many fans wearing a sweaty jersey and a sunscreen smile.
They cheered calisthenics. They cheered field-goal drills. They cheered dudes making flying interceptions of intentionally lofted passes that they were supposed to intercept.
“This whole scene is amazing,’’ said former Rams quarterback Jim Everett, watching from under a tent behind the end zones.
As it grew hotter, it grew more amazing. The fans audibly gasped when rookie quarterback Jared Goff lost consecutive fumbles on bad snaps and let loose with a loud expletive. The fans then screeched after he threw an interception. When a couple of fans began derisively chanting his name — “Ja-red, Ja-red” — they suffered the indignant stares of the masses and quickly quieted.
“This is unbelievable,’’ said former Rams offensive tackle Jackie Slater, also hanging out under a tent. “It’s unbelievable how much everything has changed.”
At one point, so many fans were crowding the railing to get closer to the players, a security guard barked, “Move from the bench line and come back to your seats.”
Nobody listened. They hung on the railing throughout the final drills, then crowded it after practice to roar at the departing players as if the padded, slick-faced behemoths were walking a red carpet at Hollywood and Highland.
“To walk out here and see the stands like this, we are super blessed to be there,” said Rams punter Johnny Hekker. “Sometimes you put in hours and hours of work and there’s nobody there. Then you see something like this, we are so appreciative, we’re just soaking it all in.”
This whole business about the Rams returning to Los Angeles just got real, so real that some early truths about these Rams have become immediately obvious.
Even if they are as lousy as everyone thinks they will be, they are going to have a rollicking honeymoon here. Even more than wanting them to win, it seems fans are just thrilled to see them show up. This feeling could be stretched out with each wave of new fans that enters the Coliseum throughout the season. It was a feeling that dominated the stands Saturday on a basically dull sports afternoon that offered nothing more than newness.
“You want to see the logo with L.A. on it, you want to see players wearing the L.A. uniform and competing, you just want it to sink in, that’s why many of us came here,” said Andre Jeanbart, another member of the Bring Back the Los Angeles Rams group and one of many fans who drove several hours to sit in 85-degree heat and watch guys play catch.
Rams open training camp in Irvine
Bill Plaschke, Gary Klein and Lindsey Thiry discuss Day 1 of Rams training camp in Irvine.
The other truth is that even when the interest in the Rams begins to wane, which it surely will eventually do if the losing overwhelms the curiosity, the franchise will be carried by the power of the NFL.Much to the surprise of fans who have only ever watched USC or UCLA football practice, this wasn’t just a workout, it was an NFL production.
There were tented attractions set up around the edges of the field, stands selling everything from shaved ice to kettle corn, giant bouncy houses for kids and a memorabilia shop for the die-hards. Fans could buy a hot dog for $4, bottled water for $2.50, and a Goff jersey for $149.99.
The entire event, which will be repeated at 15 more open-to-the-public practices this summer — free admission with $10 parking — felt like a small-town company picnic surrounding gladiators engaged in this country’s most popular sport. Even though no outside food was allowed in the stands, guards relented to allow some old-school Rams fans to bring watermelons to wear on their heads.
The NFL wasn’t like this when it left town, huh? What a difference a two-decade drought makes.
“Looking seriously at this, comparing this to the 1990s, the NFL has grown leaps and bounds,” Everett said, glancing out to the fields. “This is what it is. You’re seeing the growth of the NFL right here, right in front of us today, this is how they roll.”
And so a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 12 seasons will roll into late summer underneath the sort of fire usually reserved for champions. It is their job to make it last.
“We’ve got a lot of work to do, a long way to go with the football team, but the atmosphere is certainly going to help,” Coach Jeff Fisher said. “It will help them focus, help them to prepare. It’s different. It’s very good for them.”
It’s real.
znModeratorFirst LA Rams practice attended by 10K fans
By Rich Hammond,
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20160730/first-la-rams-practice-attended-by-10k-fans
IRVINE >> The first loud cheers came when quarterback Jared Goff jogged onto the field Saturday. The first loud groans came an hour later, when Goff badly underthrew a pass for an interception.
This is now normal life for the Rams, who are followed by television cameras everywhere they walk on the UC Irvine campus. Given the stakes, they might as well be starring on The Goff Channel.
“Walking on the field was cool, seeing all the people out here,’’ Goff said. “There were people yelling and screaming. It’s awesome to be back in L.A. with what looks like to be a pretty big fan base.”
According to the team, 10,112 fans attended Saturday’s free practice, the Rams’ first training-camp session in Southern California since 1994. They stood outside for hours before gates opened, then filled temporary bleachers wearing jerseys and carrying signs for a team that has returned after 22 years.
The stars, most notably running back Todd Gurley and defensive tackle Aaron Donald, received loud cheers when they entered the field, but the roar for Goff reached a different decibel.
That’s not unexpected. Not only is Goff, drafted in April with the No. 1 overall pick, a new homegrown star, but soon he will be counted upon to lead a Rams offense that needs improvement if the Rams are to make the playoffs for the first time since 2004.
So how did it go? Goff started out taking second-team reps behind Case Keenum but also got first-team work. The playcalling for both quarterbacks was rather conservative, apparently by design, but Goff made the big mistake when his pass landed softly in the hands of backup safety Cody Davis.
“It was OK,” Goff said of his first training-camp practice. “There’s stuff you always want to work on. I felt good about a lot of plays and there’s some plays you want back. That will be the way it is for a long time. In college, I would try to be 100 percent every day, and you probably never do it.”
There’s plenty of time for improvement. The Rams will hold 20 more practices in Irvine, plus four preseason games, and there’s no timetable for naming a starting quarterback. Also, Saturday’s practice was held without pads or tackling.
“This is the first day of installation,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “Today, the ball wasn’t designed to go down the field. It was underneath, short passes.”
That didn’t give the thousands of fans much of a chance to cheer for dynamic plays, but they seemed to appreciate the Rams’ presence, and vice versa.
Donald, among other players, stopped as he jogged into practice to sign autographs and take selfies with fans who lined the field, and Fisher said he felt the need to calm down the players because of the presence of the large crowd. The mid-afternoon heat also helped.
“I was so tired today that I couldn’t even hear half the people,” Gurley said with a laugh. “I was just trying to get my wind back.”
MCDONALD IN, MASON OUT
T.J. McDonald, who missed optional practices in June after his May arrest, took first-team reps at strong safety but backup running back Tre Mason, arrested in March for reckless driving, resisting arrest and marijuana possession, was placed on the “did not report” list.
McDonald declined to discuss his arrest (on suspicion of non-alcohol DUI) or the case. The Los Angeles City Attorney’s office has not yet decided whether to charge McDonald with a crime. The Rams kept McDonald away from the OTA practices but allowed him to return for training camp.
“I knew that I would be able to be in shape to be here in camp and be able to come out and play ball,” McDonald said. “There was no doubt in my mind.”
Fisher said regarding Mason: “Tre has made a decision not to communicate with us, not to talk. He’s not talking to teammates. Right now, we’re more concerned about Tre Mason’s well being than his football career. We’re going to continue to try to reach him and see where he’s at.”
HAVENSTEIN HURT
Fisher said starting right tackle Rob Havenstein, placed on the “physically unable to perform” list this week, is recovering from “a little foot injury during the offseason and he’s still not ready.”
Fisher said Havenstein, who was on the field watching practice, could miss two weeks. Rodger Saffold, usually a starting guard, moved to right tackle in first-team reps while Cody Wichmann played guard.
znModeratorSpeaking of that- if you need to read something funny go over to the Herd board and the Pub section where I tell how I almost died yesterday-seriously !
I did read that. It;s a classic. The one where you got locked in your own car on a hot day. You’re right it was hilarious. Glad you’re okay.
http://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?4,481978,481978#msg-481978
znModeratorRamsfan1971
First day of training camp open to the public. There was a great turn out by the public. NBC reported that the attendance for day one was 10,000 fans. The weather was around 90 degrees with a slight breeze. I forgot my camera, but am planning on going either tomorrow or Tuesday. I will get pictures next time I go. As practice started, chants of LA RAMS would break out in certain sections. Chase Reynolds was already shagging punts when I arrived before practice. He occasionally ran close to the stands to big cheers. Here are my thoughts by position from what I observed. No pads today–Lets start with what we are all anxious about.
Qbs
Goff- positives
Goff looked like a first pick of the draft in individual drills. I wish it would have carried over to scrimmage.First day of practice excuse-
It was very different once 7 on 7 started. Here is a short summary of his performance. He looked for the check down 90% of the time. I am hoping he was just building confidence. The one time he threw a post over the middle, it was picked – Big groan from the crowd followed by numerous “It is only the first day”. During 11 on 11, it was not smooth. There were two bad snaps in shotgun (not Goff’s fault). There was also a fumble under center (possibly Goff’s fault). During 11 on 11, he continued to throw short. I am not sure he ever looked down field. Possible coach was telling him to look short. When they went back to 7 on 7 later in practice, Goff continued to throw short. Db began sitting on short routes and picked off Goff a second time.As for Keenum- He looked like he did at the end of last year. He was efficient except for two passes that were batted down at line of scrimmage. He threw mainly short to medium passes. Second play of 7 on 7 he had Tavon open on a streak along the sideline. He over threw him. Keenum ran the first team, Goff was second team with occasional first team snaps. So who impressed today—- I would say Mannion. He got very few opportunities compared to Goff and Keenum. He made two great throws down the field today. Of course he was going against 2’s or 3’s, but made a good corner route throw and another up the crease for good gains.
Rbs
Gurley looked ready to start the season. Even without pads, he was fast, explosive, powerful, and changed direction effortlessly. Cunningham looked good as well.
Wrs
Hard to tell since the majority of throws were check downs to backs and TE. I will share more on them next time.
TE
Kendricks made a good catch going to the ground. Looks like he is ready to be number one. He better be looking over his shoulder for Tyler Higbee. He is big, fast, and has good hands. Looks like this may be a great draft pick.
OL
Hard to tell without pads. I did notice that Saffold was at RT.
Eric Kush was C on second team and had two bad snaps.
DEFENSE
DL
Hard to tell without pads, but looks to be the dominant force on this team again. I was pleasantly surprised to see Robert Quinn working out in individual drills. There has not been a lot of info about his recovery. He looked to bend well in drills with other DL. He did not look to be in pain at all. He did not participate in 11 on 11.
LBs
All seemed quick to the ball on short passes and check downs. 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 seemed to go quickly. Defense kept everything in front of them, got good pressure on qbs numerous times. I will concentrate on Ogletree more next time I go.
Dbs
Trumaine carries himself like a guy making 13 mil. He is very confident in how he carries himself. Not much thrown at him from what I could see. Dbs kept everything in front of them. Only gave up a seam pass for a decent gain. Cody Davis got one of the int. off of Goff. I could not make out who got the other int.
I will try to post more as I go to practices over this first week.
znModeratorRams get warm welcome on first day of camp
Jim Thomas
IRVINE, Calif. • Ray Khoury, 16, and his three football teammates from El Dorado High School were the first ones in line — 8:30 in the morning, or a mere seven hours before the start of Rams practice.
“My dad’s been a fan since they were in LA originally,” said Khoury, wearing Chris Long’s original jersey as a Ram, No. 72. “My dad always told me they were coming back. Growing up, he’d tell me don’t cheer for the Rams. We need them to lose. They’re not going to move a winning team back to LA.”
The Rams did their part in St. Louis, posting 12 consecutive non-winning seasons before NFL owners bowed to Stan Kroenke’s wallet and stadium plan, and approved the move back to Los Angeles after 21 seasons in the Midwest.
Khoury said he’s been hearing the “Rams are moving back” mantra from his dad for about six years.
“So when it actually happened, I was shocked,” Khoury said.
Turns out Dad was right. To the pain and chagrin of many in St. Louis, the Rams opened training camp Saturday at the University of California, Irvine.
Besides the El Dorado gang, there were about a dozen fans hanging out by the practice entrance by about 10 a.m., with more showing up as the morning went by. The gates to the practice fields — which are converted soccer fields — didn’t open until 2 p.m.
Few were as hyped up as Bobby Stephen, 53, of Huntington Beach. Wearing a Jack Youngblood jersey, Stephen was so excited, he sounded as if he were, oh, a little over-caffeinated.
“I couldn’t root for them when they moved to St. Louis,” Stephen said. “I just couldn’t root for them. When the Rams moved back here, oh man!”
Stephen said he has been watching tapes of old LA Rams games almost continuously since then.
“At home, every night. Till midnight,” said Stephen, who works for a direct mail marketing firm. “Just ask my kids. I’m all pumped.”
But he didn’t watch a second of the Rams’ Super Bowls in St. Louis, when they were known as the Greatest Show on Turf.
“I didn’t care,” Stephen said. “No. My boy called me Bandwagon Dad because when the Rams left I didn’t care.
Others did, like Fernando Gudino, 57, of Whittier.
“I’ve been a fan since Roman Gabriel, Deacon Jones,” said Gudino, a flooring subcontractor. “If you’re a fan, that’s your team. We have no control if an owner decides to take ’em (elsewhere).”
So Gudino, who came with his son Nathan, 19, said he felt for the fans in St. Louis.
“I do, I do,” he said. “Because you know, we went through it. In reality, the Rams were from Cleveland I believe. So we all know what it feels like. We have no control over it.”
Others weren’t so empathetic.
“Not really, they took them from us,” said one of the El Dorado High football players.
Others shouted, “The Rams are back! The Rams are back!” as the gates opened at 2 p.m. and hundreds of fans streamed out to the practice field bleachers.
Many wore “LA” Rams gear. There were a lot of Todd Gurley jerseys, with a few Marshall Faulks, Isaac Bruces, and Kurt Warners sprinkled in.
A souvenir stand just inside the gate even had a Torry Holt jersey for sale. The Warner jerseys had yet to arrive, said Jen Hertzberg of Legends Hospitality, a concessionaire service partly owned by Kroenke pal Jerry Jones, the Dallas Cowboys owner who helped get the Rams to LA.
At 3 p.m.. or a half hour before the start of practice, a roar went up when the first Rams player walked out on the field.
“Who’s No. 34?” wondered one fan.
It was Chase Reynolds, special teams ace.
When all was said and done, the Rams announced the attendance as 10,112. But over the last 45 minutes of practice, as the Rams moved to the other side of the practice field, what became the far side of bleachers emptied as fans left early. Anyone who has ever been to a Dodgers game has seen this happen.
Operating in a much bigger area than training camp at Earth City, there were concession stands behind one end zone, a first aid station, inflatables for the kids to crawl on, and rather oddly, an information tent to join the Inglewood, Calif., police department.
Behind the opposite end zone were VIP tents, including one for family and friends of players. And one for former Rams players. Among those in the player tent were former LA Rams quarterback Jim Everett, Hall of Fame offensive tackle Jackie Slater (who played one game for the St. Louis Rams in 1995), and quarterback Dave Barr (who suddenly is everywhere).
Yes, the same Dave Barr who scored the last Rams touchdown in the Dome at America’s Center at last week’s Legends of the Dome game. He lives and works in nearby Torrance.
“The whole event was a thrill, and what a way to cap it,” said Barr, referring to the Legends game and his TD.
Former defensive tackle D’Marco Farr was on hand, and so was fullback James “The Hammer” Hodgins, who coaches high school football in the San Francisco area. So was Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk, who was here working for the NFL Network.
There were no sightings of Kroenke, aka Malibu Stan. (He undoubtedly will be staying at his Malibu home more often now that the Rams are in California.)
Lucia Rodriguez, the daughter of late Rams owner Georgia Frontiere and brother of Chip Rosenbloom, was in attendance. She now goes by Lucia Rosenbloom.
While happy to see the Rams in California, she said, “I miss St. Louis, I really do. I feel for St. Louis.”
The largely boisterous crowd turned dark late in practice, when quarterback Jared Goff had problems with a center exchange and then threw an interception over the middle to safety Cody Davis.
On the first day of training camp for the LA Rams, the crowd booed Goff, the No. 1 overall draft pick.
“C’mon Goff, you’re in LA!” yelled one fan, a reminder that the fan base figures to be more fickle here than in St. Louis.
Starting right tackle Rob Havenstein was not at practice and may miss a few weeks. He’s on the physically unable to perform list while a fractured toe (from offseason conditioning) fully heals.
And no one in the Rams organization knows exactly what’s up with running back Tre’ Mason. Coach Jeff Fisher said he has been unable to contact Mason, who has had off-field issues, since the end of last season. Mason was placed on the reserve/did not report list Saturday.
But that didn’t dampen the day for Fisher or his team, which is back in California for the first time since 1994. After the Rams’ first practice back in LA, Fisher spoke to a media crowd only slightly larger than what was the norm for the first day of camp in St. Louis.
“It was great to come out of the locker room if you will and see the fans and see the stands full,” Fisher said. “We’ve got a lot of work to do. We’ve got a long way to go with this football team. The atmosphere’s certainly gonna help.
“We gathered (the players) up just before we got started, just to kind of calm them down. When the atmosphere’s the way it was and the environment, and the fans and the support, there’s that tendency to go a little bit more quicker earlier in practice than you should.
“I just encouraged them to make sure they got warmed up so we didn’t have any issues.”
znModeratorznModeratorBut my goodness. There are all kinds of people sitting around discussing single issues, and coming up with plans that, when implemented, are going to be to the detriment of the poor. That may not be the primary objective. But it’s happening all the time.
From the point of view of the poor…we are just arguing semantics.
Yeah war on the poor is a metaphor. Wait I should use end stops and poeticize that:
war on the poor
is a metaphorAnyway, it’s not that people deliberately say “bring misery to the poor by policy.”
It means that their needs and interests and wants are neglected or ignored, don’t register at the policy level, get in the way of giving money to other people and things, are discounted, and/or aren’t heard at all…and meanwhile things are being done that directly damage their health, needs, interests, livelihoods, economic standing, and living conditions. They aren’t taken seriously. They don’t count. What happens to them as a result doesn’t register.
It doesn’t require deliberate, planned socio-economic assault. Just the combination of things I’ve named, like neglect, lack of understanding, dismissiveness.
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znModeratorrams24/7
Day 1 First Team Offense:
QB: Keenum
RB: Gurley
FB: Harkey
WR: Britt/Austin/Cooper (slot)
TE: Kendricks
LT: Robinson
LG: Wichmann
C: Barnes
RG: Brown
RT: SaffoldDay 1 First Team Defense:
RE: Sims
RDT: Donald
LDT: Brockers
LE: Hayes
LB: Ayers/Ogletree
WS: Barron
CB: Johnson/Sensabaugh/Joyner (nickel)
FS: Alexander
SS: McDonaldDay 1 Second Team Offense:
QB: Goff
RB: B. Cunningham
FB: J. Cunningham
WR: Quick/Marquez
TE: Higbee
LT: Williams
LG: Donnal
C: Kush
RG: Reynolds
RT: BattleDay 1 Second Team Defense:
RE: Longacre
RDT: Westbrooks
LDT: Easley
LE: Coples
WLB: Lynch
MLB: Hager
SLB: Forrest
CB: Roberson/Gaines
S: Davis/Bryantof note:
1) Quinn dressed, but had minimal work. I can only remember him getting a handful of snaps with the 2s, although he did have a nice play where he blew by Williams and turned the corner chasing Goff as he rolled to the right.
2) Gaines got a solid amount of work, albeit with the 2s. He split time between outside and nickel with the 2s and played well in both spots.
3) TMac is back, and started at SS.
4) Havenstein was wearing his jersey, but did not participate in any activities. This comes as little surprise to you folk as we all heard he hit the preseason PUP list a few days back. I’m no doctor, but I did see him walking with no visible limp, so I’m optimistic as many are that this is precautionary and Rob should be back before too long.I know it’s only one day but…
STOCK UP:
1) Mike Thomas
Thomas made the only notable play during the Rams short 7 on 7 period (the day was mainly 11 on 11) when he took a short slant from the left side of the field to the right side of the field, turning the corner, and finding the sideline before being pushed out of bounds for a 30+ yard gain. He doesn’t have jets, but he isn’t slow. He also made a nice grab in WR drills and looked like a man among boys with the 3s.
2) EJ Gaines
Gaines is arguably the most forgotten man on the Rams D. He showed up to play today covering the slot and outside with no notable completions and came up in run support (albeit w/o pads).
3) Mo Alexander
Has no physical limitations to play free, lets just hope he can progress mentally. There weren’t many downfield throws, so I don’t want to give the impression he’s locked up a starting spot or anything. But he didn’t do anything to hurt his case today and filled up nicely in run support, giving Todd a nice pop in the hole coming all the way from his safety position.
STOCK DOWN:
1) Temmarick Hemmingway
As I’ve said its only day 1, but Hemmingway showed today why he fell in the draft. He is a raw project, who if developed has the physical gifts to be a great TE. That’s a big IF however (see Fendi Onobun). He had a ball ripped from his hands by a DB in 7 on 7 and had a CB hit him from behind on a short curl, causing him to drop the ball as well. Hemmingway will need to shine on ST, because he doesn’t provide much else currently that the Rams lack at TE.
2) Eric Kush
Had 2 bad snaps to Goff in 11 on 11 in the span of a few plays. The first was a shotgun snap that hit Goff in the feet and the second looked like a bad exchange from under center, however it looked like Kush didn’t get the ball all the way to Goff.
Fun Tidbit: I loved how after 11 on 11 (practice was over) Goff was seen taking multiple reps with Kush from both under center and in the shotgun to work on perfecting their exchange.
znModeratoroff the net from jrry32
You want a QB with hyperactive feet in the pocket. It allows them to move to buy time quicker and get set and reset quicker. One of the things that made Manning so great and so unsackable (look at his career sack rate) were his extremely nimble, active feet. He was the master of using quick, subtle movements to buy time, find throwing lanes, and take angles away from defenders. He compounded that with the ability to get set incredibly quickly after moving off his spot. This allowed him to get the ball out quickly and accurately even when moving in the pocket.
Jared Goff does the same things. Here’s a perfect example of it:
https://gifs.com/gif/jg-ws-W61WMQ
Goff steps up to eliminate the angle of the defender who beat his LT off the edge. As he steps up, the DT crashes inside to try and sack him. Goff side-steps the DT and immediately gets his feet set to get the ball out to his WR coming out of his break. It takes him one step to get his feet set and throwing base under him after evading the DT. That’s incredible.
It’s the sort of thing you’ll see out of only a handful of QBs at the NFL level, much less college.
That’s an example of a guy with incredible footwork. The reason most guys don’t have footwork that looks like his is because most guys don’t have quick enough feet to do it. Manning is one of the few who did. Although, it looked a lot uglier for Manning near the end of his career because you could see his feet getting heavier and less nimble.
znModeratorNo, I disagree. They paid Foles because they thought he was the answer at QB. No one was talking drafting a QB first overall the next year because the team thought they had their QB in Foles. Hey it is StanK’s cash so no tears here.
Again the differences between us I think amount to semantics.
The point I am making is that they never pumped him up or touted him as top qb talent.
It was all along the lines of he can do the job, not he is top qb talent.
If you’re saying his contract reflected how they estimated him, then, it’s important to note that in the category of qb he was–a starter signing his 2nd contract—his was the lowest of that group, and by far. I mean 4-5 M lower than the next lowest. Plus it was just a 2 year deal. That did not indicate he was The Answer, as in now we’re set for years with a top qb talent. Instead it indicated he was An Answer, as in yes we can win with this guy, he’ll be fine.
They never talked about him the way they talk about Goff, and that’s just a fact.
So it just depends on what one means by The Answer.
To me, from what I saw, the only thing they saw him as The Answer to was not having a vet qb starter (cause they intended to trade Bradford).
They thought he would be okay. The contract numbers reflect that. For anyone else of a higher caliber, including guys like Dalton, that contract is insulting low.
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Ok I can agree with that though the Foles era ended when they drafted Goff.
Okay. But “the Foles era has ended” was just a joke. “Era” is an inflated word in this context so that was irony (admittedly lame cause it didn’t come across). It would be like watching Jurrasic World and then praising it for its “aesthetically nuanced and resonant epic narrative.” In other words, irony through inflation.
In REAL terms? Jokes aside? Yeah Foles was done when they drafted Goff.
znModeratorRyan Kartje @Ryan_Kartje
Rookie #Rams tight end Tyler Higbee was involved quite a bit today. Lots of action on shorter routes. Looks really impressive physically.Ryan Kartje – @Ryan_Kartje
To be fair to Goff, Case Keenum had a lot of check downs today, too. Clear he has the experience advantage though.===========
znModeratorNo, I disagree. They paid Foles because they thought he was the answer at QB. No one was talking drafting a QB first overall the next year because the team thought they had their QB in Foles. Hey it is StanK’s cash so no tears here.
Again the differences between us I think amount to semantics.
The point I am making is that they never pumped him up or touted him as top qb talent.
It was all along the lines of he can do the job, not he is top qb talent.
If you’re saying his contract reflected how they estimated him, then, it’s important to note that in the category of qb he was–a starter signing his 2nd contract—his was the lowest of that group, and by far. I mean 4-5 M lower than the next lowest. Plus it was just a 2 year deal. That did not indicate he was The Answer, as in now we’re set for years with a top qb talent. Instead it indicated he was An Answer, as in yes we can win with this guy, he’ll be fine.
They never talked about him the way they talk about Goff, and that’s just a fact.
So it just depends on what one means by The Answer.
To me, from what I saw, the only thing they saw him as The Answer to was not having a vet qb starter (cause they intended to trade Bradford).
They thought he would be okay. The contract numbers reflect that. For anyone else of a higher caliber, including guys like Dalton, that contract is insulting low.
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znModeratorJeff Fisher: "Tre has made a decision not to communicate with us." Mason doesn't currently count toward Rams' roster limit.
— Jack Wang (@thejackwang) July 31, 2016
Tre Mason is on the "Did Not Report" list. @CoachJeffFisher says Tre hasn't talked with anyone from the @RamsNFL since season ended.
— Liz Habib (@LizHabib) July 31, 2016
"We are more concerned about Tre Mason's well being than his football career," @CoachJeffFisher
— Liz Habib (@LizHabib) July 31, 2016
Rams T Rob Havenstein is on PUP list because of a "foot issue" @CoachJeffFisher says he's day to day
— Liz Habib (@LizHabib) July 31, 2016
Funny hearing the #Rams fan in stands screaming at Jared Goff to "throw the damn ball down the field" (#1stdayofcamp #instalation)
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) July 31, 2016
Todd Gurley said he isn’t recognized a lot in LA yet and when he is, it’s as “that guy from the burger commercial.”
— Rich Hammond (@Rich_Hammond) July 31, 2016
znModeratorznModeratorvid: Bucky Brooks
http://www.nfl.com/videos/los-angeles-rams#
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Concentration with @KingTutt_chdown and @nspruce22 #RamsCamp https://t.co/PhBkyDOdiF
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) July 31, 2016
znModeratorJared Goff not exactly looking crisp in 11 on 11 drills. Followed up a fumbled snap w/ an Int. #day1 pic.twitter.com/KKG3DU7d0Q
— Dan Hellie (@DanHellie) July 30, 2016
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Christopher Dowell @pikebishop
Saffold at RT and Wichmann starting at LG with Rob out. Isaiah Battle starting at RT and Reynolds at RG with 2nd team. #RamsCampChristopher Dowell – @pikebishop
Interesting that Marquez was the 3rd WR w Tavon and Britt. #RamsCamp
=znModeratorLittle bit of QB-WR pitch and catch. #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/2QOI3Pf0fl
— Christopher Dowell (@pikebishop) July 30, 2016
znModeratorRams24/7 @ngalarreta
Bradley Marquez was highlighted by a coach in a gunner drill. He said “watch Bradley”Rams24/7 @ngalarreta
Goff is shredding other Rams QBs in footwork drillsRams24/7 @ngalarreta
Mannion has the heaviest feet of all 4 QBsSteven Spaid @stevenspaid
Seeing Tavon’s quickness up close is pretty insane. I think he just made my eye balls switch sockets. #RamsCampGoff #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/LxOQvdUtud
— Steven Spaid (@stevenspaid) July 30, 2016
Goff donning it off the post. #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/9pGFxicZM7
— Steven Spaid (@stevenspaid) July 30, 2016
Steven Spaid @stevenspaid
Footwork Drills: Goff’s is as advertised. Extremely smooth. Mannion not so much.Steven Spaid @stevenspaid
There’s a TON of people here. The excitement is real! #RamsCampWhen you get too close to the action #RamsCamp https://t.co/Aj7EOptn7x
— Nate Bain (@natebain) July 30, 2016
znModeratorRams QB Jared Goff getting ready for first practice. pic.twitter.com/oFwK3JtZm5
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) July 30, 2016
znModeratorThis is what happens when a football team takes over the @UCIrvine science buildings for training camp pic.twitter.com/rDRX69ZDTk
— Kevin Demoff (@kdemoff) July 30, 2016
znModeratorLittle sampling of what you'll get on Snapchat from #RamsCamp.
👻 : msmmns210 pic.twitter.com/0c99DeUeAu— Myles Simmons (@MylesASimmons) July 30, 2016
znModeratorJuly 30 Practice Live Updates: http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/7/30/12332552/2016-los-angeles-rams-training-camp-practice-live-updates-news
znModeratorIt wouldn’t accomplish much to lecture him about zoology and paleontology and evolution and point out we’re not monkeys.
Actually, humans are talking monkeys. Unlike the outdated Linnean taxonomic hierarchies modern taxonomic systems are based on evolutionary history so a named group would include the common ancestor and all of its descendants. Since humans are apes and apes are descended from a monkey progenitor, then humans are also monkeys. Technically, we’re all sarcopterygii (lobe-finned fish) as well, since this group gave rise to the tetrapods which is the group that includes all reptiles, birds and mammals.
So not only are humans talking monkeys, we’re also talking lobe-finned fish…technically speaking. Obviously it’s usually not useful to talk about humans in these terms but we are sarcopterygii.
I stand corrected.
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znModeratorThis is the type of hyperbole that turns good people off. Good people who can actually make a change for the betterment of people who have little. No one -not even Trump or Hillary-is “against” the poor. No one believes these people represent a threat. There is no “WAR” against people who are poor. When people hear these “magical” words they automatically tune out. Of course there are policies and even laws that adversely impact those who have little. There always have been. And we need to elect those who will actively help those in need. But there is no “war” against the poor. Neither Hillaryh nor Trump have any ill will toward those less fortunate. “War against the poor” language does more harm than good because it takes a very serious issue and turns it into nonsense.
That seems less like a critique, w, then just a slam. First I don’t see it as hyperbole. It’s basically a summary slogan line for a position, and you don’t seem to address the position. So yes you’re right–no one takes it literally. In terms of the actual intent, when you don’t over-literalize the line itself, yes there are actual positions referred to, and they go to the heart of a great deal of actual politics. What Hillary and Trump have in varying degrees (with Trump far worse) is policies that disenfranchise people, harm people economically, and build an economic climate that heavily favors the more well off (unless you haven’t heard about the effect that economic inequality has on people). It’s reflected in health care, labor policies, and so on. All you addressed was the slogan which you unaccountably took as literal, and did not address the policies.
Yes american economic policies, unlike many countries (which are actually doing better than we are), do in fact strip power, rights, and opportunities from the disadvantaged and less well off. It seems to me to deny that is just to deny a significant reality.
And try to steer clear of antagonistic language like “childish nonsense” for positions you dont’ personally agree with. It goes against the spirit of the rules.
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I didn’t intend to address the economic policies that disenfranchise the poor. I intended to address the slogan-period. Because I think it impacts on a person’t credibility on issues that I completely agree with that person. I’m not writing here to debate any policies that affect the poor because there is no debate as far as I’m concerned. It’s tragic and we need to do stuff to turn it around.
I appreciate the fact that ultimately, people are coming from the same general place. But, slogans are slogans, and the guy who wrote that one (wv) is famously into darkly playful language. I got that, it was a darkly ironic but also funny slogan. If we don’t factor that in, then, we might as well take literally the fact that wv also calls all human beings “talking monkeys.” It wouldn’t accomplish much to lecture him about zoology and paleontology and evolution and point out we’re not monkeys.
Anyway no harm no foul. This election is making everyone tense. I think I will shoot ahead time to when the apes take over. Seems like a more reasonable world.
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July 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm in reply to: demands for ideological purity only come if you aren’t at risk #49770znModeratorOkay, so I step back, breathe, etc.
What I’m saying is it appeared to me that you were calling me out for not recognizing the importance of race. I don’t think that’s fair at all. I recognize its importance daily. But the reason I’m saying we’re talking about different things here is that the very same people who say it’s easy for Sanders and his supporters, because, white privilege, are themselves privileged whites. So, to me, the logical thing to do (if this, then that) is throw out that variable, because it’s one they hold in common, and instead focus on the idea of how we should do effective politics, make good policy, go slow, go pragmatic, speed that up, push harder for better legislation, or be satisfied with a fraction of the loaf, etc. etc.
I’m talking about white pundits who tried/try to shame young Sanders’ supporters via the use of race; or Democratic surrogates for HRC who, also white and far more privileged, did the same.
So, it’s not about me failing to listen to POCs or not understanding their plight. I see them largely left out of the debate, and it predominantly being between whites only — in government, in the media, and online. I didn’t see this particular thread as being one between POCs and whites, but it looks like you did.
Again, that’s one of the key places we were talking past each other.
Well thanks for bringing it back down and sorry if I put some things wrong in the heat of discussion. I also see far better than I did how yeah we were talking about different things.
I didn’t see the author as shaming, exactly, though I certainly didn’t appreciate his approach—while reading it I kept thinking I could have done a better job with the same material. And in the world I run in there are a lot of those—Hillary guys who are nazis about it. I am in the difficult position, in fact, of both backing down the Hillary nazis while simultaneously arguing with the leftists I know that Trump is genuinely so much worse that there’s really only one pragmatic thing to do. Where I live, I am very close to getting voted off the island. But it;s the civil war and both the union people and the confederates are voting me off simultaneously. I don’t think I will be allowed to speak at my trial.
July 30, 2016 at 11:44 am in reply to: demands for ideological purity only come if you aren’t at risk #49765znModeratorI’m not seeing people dismissing race. I see some using it to steer the conversation back to mainstream Democratic/GOP status quo.
Yeah, that;s the interpretation I call dismissing race.
Listen to people. Sanders did not draw minority votes. People say why. It’s because they have more to fear and lose from Trump so they had to build defenses against that.
By telling those people they’re just steering things wrong is kind of not to hear them.
Which may be why in the abstract they don’t trust you…meaning, they don’t trust people who make the same calculation.
If you can’t hear that this is a big and important part of the discussion, and that means hearing some things we don’t like, then, we’re just simply not being real about it.
Look at the books we read. How many are from THIS list?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/144531-18-books-every-white-ally-should-read
And I ain’t read em all believe me. So this is not some “who’s got the brightest 10-speed” kind of competition thing.
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I gotta respond. ZN, you’re amping this up and making it personal, and I don’t appreciate it. I’m not “telling people” anything. I’m responding to the editorial and the title and your insistence that it’s all about white privilege if someone has a different take on how we should govern.
Seriously, I find that deeply offensive, and you need to stop it.
You are forever saying that no one hold THE truth, but in this thread you’re insisting YOU do, and you’re using insults to push that over the line.
Again, we’re NOT talking about the same things. And when I say that, you come back with “it’s another example of white privilege,” blah blah blah. Seems not to matter what I say, you want that to be the takeaway each time.
Again, just stop it.
I wasn’t being personal. Not in the way you’re taking it. I was just conversing. You’re taking some “just ways of putting it” and reading things in that are not there. You didn’t even notice that in this conversation I said “we” as often as I said anything else.
I did nothing offensive. Re-read it. Since I didn’t do anything offensive, I think another reading will show you that.
And I said without encountering the hard parts of race and working through it we can’t really know the issues. I said nothing about “truth.” I was talking about the difficulty of us working through the hard stuff. I never said where that would lead.
In terms of not talking about the same things, I don’t know what you mean by that and I had some things on my chest so was just conversing. If we miscommunicated, okay, but, no one ever INTENDS that.
July 30, 2016 at 11:30 am in reply to: demands for ideological purity only come if you aren’t at risk #49762znModeratorI’m not seeing people dismissing race. I see some using it to steer the conversation back to mainstream Democratic/GOP status quo.
Yeah, that;s the interpretation I call dismissing race.
Listen to people. Sanders did not draw minority votes. People say why. It’s because they have more to fear and lose from Trump so they had to build defenses against that.
By telling those people they’re just steering things wrong is kind of not to hear them.
Which may be why in the abstract they don’t trust you…meaning, they don’t trust people who make the same calculation.
If you can’t hear that this is a big and important part of the discussion, and that means hearing some things we don’t like, then, we’re just simply not being real about it.
Look at the books we read. How many are from THIS list?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/144531-18-books-every-white-ally-should-read
And I ain’t read em all believe me. So this is not some “who’s got the brightest 10-speed” kind of competition thing.
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