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I didn’t count Gurley. Just receivers (and TEs). By that counts its 29 T, 12 R.
znModeratorI like watching Goff.
More of a game this time if the receivers catch the ball. 29 targets, 12 receptions.
A couple were “high sails” from Goff but not all of them by a longshot.
znModeratorHe must make the playoffs next year.
Where is that said?
Or is it more speculation from the same people who said he would be fired this year?
znModeratorLet;s put it this way. It;s at least cancelled out by “at some point you commit to continuity.”
i do think that is a very valid point.
but also change could come in the form of making some coaching changes.
these next 5 games will be important. if not for fisher’s job then the jobs of his assistants.
Depending on how much you think you can put on a rookie qb.
See…it’s never just one thing and it’s never that simple.
There are scenarios where they could win and still think they need changes.
There are scenarios where they could lose and see themselves going the right direction with what they have.
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znModeratori just think at some point you make a change.
Unless, of course, you don’t.
I don;t believe the “at some point you make a change” thing IR.
I don’t see the reason for it or the logic behind it.
Let;s put it this way. It;s at least cancelled out by “at some point you commit to continuity.”
And if he starts winning all of this discussion is beside the point.
znModeratorand now it gets down to this
It’s a kind of standoff between those who
* claim Fisher is bad no matter what
* say that the team has been affected by circumstances no coach overcomes (eg. only one team in the history of the NFL had a winning record after moving…and very few win much if they don’t have a starting qb).
If the first group is right, even with the qb issue settled, they can’t win.
If the 2nd group is right, especially with the qb issue settled, sure they can win.
Let time tell.
znModeratorRams sign Jeff Fisher to two-year extension
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000750279/article/rams-sign-jeff-fisher-to-twoyear-extension
Despite staring at another losing record this season, Jeff Fisher isn’t going anywhere.
NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on GameDay Morning the Los Angeles Rams signed the head coach to a two-year extension through 2018.
Per Rapoport, the deal was agreed to in the preseason and was signed during the season.
Fisher entered the season in the final year of his deal.
While the Rams did not announce a deal was in place, questions about Fisher’s extension have swirled since the summer.
Speaking with NFL Network’s Steve Wyche recently, Rams chief operating officer Kevin Demoff was mum on an extension, but defended his coach’s performance this season.
“Everybody will want to judge Jeff through the prism of just the record, but that’s totally unfair when you look at the set of circumstances he was handed this year,” Demoff said. “It was different than any team in the NFL.
“We moved halfway across the country, then had OTAs in Oxnard. Training camp was in Irvine, now we’re in Thousand Oaks. We moved coaches and players and families. To provide leadership and consistency, he’s done a model job.”
In his first four seasons with the Rams, Fisher has guided the team to records of 7-8-1, 7-9, 6-10, and 7-9. The Rams currently sit at 4-7 with a difficult schedule down the stretch. Fisher hasn’t led a team to a winning season since 2008 and has just six seasons in his 22-year coaching career with more than eight victories.
Fisher was under heat locally this week, as Rams legend Eric Dickerson called for the coach to be fired.
Despite the uproar in Los Angeles regarding Fisher, the contract extension ensures that the coach will be around at least next season.
znModeratorif they tank the rest of the way and fans revolt?
They won’t care.
They will assume they can rally in 2017 and that winning puts an end to the “revolt.”
znModerator“…At the time, everyone noticed the attempt to weaken Syria, but no-one understood the under-lying motivation for this transfer of the population. And yet a close colleague of ambassador Samantha Powell, Kelly M. Greenhill, had published a university article on Strategic engineering of migration as a weapon of war [1], which should have caught the attention.”
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vI will say this. Just in terms of the prose, that’s English as a second language in a time when there are no editors.
znModeratorWell not everything is for the average reader. If it were that would severely limit the range of discussion. Some stuff is for people already conversant with a field, so they can sharpen their sense of things. Then, some of those write for mainstream consumption.
It seems to me what would help reading that would be some knowledge of post-colonial history. Just the idea of it. For example, the crucial idea that post-colonial african and middle-eastern nations are not “organic” — they arose from some foreign power drawing lines on a map. Then leaving, and saying okay you’re a country now. That right there alone is one of the single most significant factors in 20th and 21st century history and drives more of our world experience than virtually any other political factor.
If you persist with that article it’s not so bad btw.
December 4, 2016 at 7:36 am in reply to: reporters set up the PATZ game (including, Belichick impressed by Goff & Donald) #60142
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Rams leave drama at home but face tough task on roadGary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-patriots-20161203-story.html
He spent the week immersed in controversy, trying to navigate through an impossible-to-win public relations battle with a popular hall of fame player.
No wonder Rams Coach Jeff Fisher was giddy to leave Southern California and the Eric Dickerson feud behind.
Fisher and his team also want to distance themselves from last week’s humiliating defeat at New Orleans.
“Just a short trip,” Fisher said, laughing, before the Rams departed on a near 3,000-mile journey to play the New England Patriots. “Hop, skip and a jump.”
Sunday’s game at Gillette Stadium marks the final long sojourn for a Rams team that returned home with victories after cross-country trips to Tampa Bay and East Rutherford, N.J., and losses at Detroit, London and New Orleans.
The matchup against the Patriots will probably be the most difficult.
The 4-7 Rams, losers of six of their last seven games, are 13 1/2-point underdogs against a Patriots team that is 9-2 and almost certainly on its way to a 14th playoff appearance in 17 seasons under Coach Bill Belichick.
Quarterback Tom Brady served a four-game suspension for the “Deflategate” scandal but the four-time Super Bowl champion is playing better than ever.
Brady faces a Rams defense that ranked among the NFL’s best for nine-plus games before melting down in the final minutes against Miami and giving up 555 yards and 49 points against the Saints.
“Sometimes you get a wake-up call,” defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said. “We’ve been pretty dominant for four or five weeks and all of a sudden, that wakes you up.
“I haven’t had any problem holding their attention in the meetings this week.”
The prospect of facing the 39-year-old Brady – with or without sidelined tight end Rob Gronkowski – also will do that. The 17th-year pro has passed for 18 touchdowns, with only one interception.
A week after future Hall of Famer Drew Brees accounted for five touchdowns for the Saints, the Rams must try to control a quarterback regarded by some as perhaps the best in NFL history.
“He doesn’t make mistakes,” cornerback Trumaine Johnson said.
“We have to find ways to do different things to get to him — some way, somehow,” defensive tackle Aaron Donald said.
Rams clear things up with Eric Dickerson, but he still won’t be going to games
Rams clear things up with Eric Dickerson, but he still won’t be going to games
Fisher has not experienced recent success against Belichick and Brady.In 2009, Fisher’s Tennessee Titans lost at Gillette Stadium, 59-0. In 2012, the Patriots beat the Rams, 45-7, at Wembley Stadium in London.
The Patriots are averaging 26.6 points a game this season, which ranks sixth in the NFL.
The Rams rank last at 15.5.
That did not stop Belichick from engaging in hyperbole. During a teleconference with reporters this week, he described the Rams’ offense as “explosive” multiple times.
The Rams won two games this season without scoring a touchdown.
“This is not going to be a 6-3 game,” Fisher said. “That’s not going to happen.”
Last week, rookie quarterback Jared Goff passed for three touchdowns, with an interception and a fumble.
Now the No. 1 pick in the draft he faces a defense designed by Belichick and coordinator Matt Patricia.
“He’s going to see different looks,” Rams offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “We know they’re going to try to create confusion.”
Goff, who like Brady grew up in the Bay Area, said he would be prepared.
“You don’t really know what to expect going in,” he said. “You have an idea on film, but you know they’re going to bring something new every week – you have to be ready to adjust.”
Running back Todd Gurley is among those eager to see the Rams open the playbook more. After constraining Goff with a conservative game plan against Miami, Boras gave him more opportunities to throw downfield against the Saints.
It could expand more against the Patriots, forcing Belichick to move safeties out of the area known as the tackle box, providing Gurley with better matchups.
“I’m pretty sure the Patriots are smart,” Gurley said. “I’m pretty sure they’ll know [Goff] can sling it a little bit. Hopefully, that takes a couple out of the box.”
The forecast calls for game-time temperatures in the low 40s.
Not a problem, according to Goff.
“I’ve played in a bunch of cold weather,” he said.
But never against the Patriots.
znModeratorBill Belichick heaps praise on Rams QB Jared Goff
By Chris Wesseling
The Patriots aren’t underestimating the NFL’s lowest-ranked scoring offense in advance of this week’s matchup with the Rams.
Even if rookie Jared Goff needed three months to displace Case Keenum as Los Angeles’ starting quarterback, New England coach Bill Belichick sees evidence of the traits that made the former Cal star the draft’s top pick.
“You just have to respect the talent and the skill that Goff has,” Belichick said Wednesday. “You can certainly see that, particularly in this game against New Orleans. He’s a very, very talented player with a great arm and the ability to make a lot of throws.”
Belichick isn’t alone in his high regard for Goff. Whereas the Rams offense was limited by Keenum’s subpar arm strength in the first half of the season, defensive coordinator Matt Patricia suggests defenses will have more respect for Goff’s ability to stretch the field.
“Big guy, tall quarterback, he’s long. He has an extremely strong arm and a very accurate arm in a lot of the different throws that they ask him to make,” Patricia explained. “He’s a very good quarterback from the standpoint of arm strength, the ability to get the ball downfield.”
That talent was on display in New Orleans last week, as Goff became the first Rams quarterback since Sam Bradford in 2010 to throw three touchdown passes in the first half of a game. Bouncing back from an overthrow to Kenny Britt on the previous play, Goff’s most impressive moment was a backpedaling, 24-yard sideline strike to tight end Lance Kendricks. Three plays later, the two connected on a 15-yard touchdown, capping off a textbook two-minute drill for the rookie signal-caller.
You’ll notice, however, that the praise out of New England didn’t extend to Goff’s decision making and mastery of the offense.
His second-half possessions at New Orleans consisted of three punts, an interception and a failed fourth-down conversion. He was responsible for more turnovers last week (two) than Tom Brady has authored all season. Through two games, Goff’s offense is averaging just 237 yards compared to Keenum’s 308-yard average in nine starts.
Dak Prescott’s extraordinary performance notwithstanding, growing pains are the norm for first-year quarterbacks.
Expect those struggles to continue at New England, where opposing rookie quarterbacks are 0-7 with a 52.0 completion rate, a 4:14 TD-to-INT ratio and a 51.7 passer rating since 2000, per NFL Research.
The measure of Goff’s progress isn’t whether he leads an improbable upset over the Patriots. It’s whether the next five weeks instill legitimate hope that the organization’s last two first-round investments can develop into keystones around which the next great Rams offense can be constructed.
December 4, 2016 at 7:32 am in reply to: reporters set up the PATZ game (including, Belichick impressed by Goff & Donald) #60140
znModeratorRams defense looks to restore its swagger at New England
Having surrendered nine touchdowns over the last 15 times they’ve been on the field, the last thing the slumping Los Angeles Rams defense needed was a matchup with the New England Patriots and their future Hall of Fame quarterback quarterback Tom Brady.
Asking a Rams defense to capture its swagger against Brady is like asking a slumping baseball team to wake up its bats against Dodgers ace Clayton Kershaw.
Rams defenders openly accepted blame for their horrendous showing last week against Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints, in which they surrendered 49 points and 555 yards of total offense.
“Any time you allow a team to score 49 points on you, you’re going to be down,” defensive tackle Aaron Donald said. “That is not the way we play. We were on our high horse on the defensive side of the ball for a minute but they knocked us off. Sometimes you need stuff like that. We’re hungry so we know what we need to do this week.”
Defensive end William Hayes was even more blunt.
“We should’ve played for free, the way we got our (butt) kicked,” Hayes told reporters. “Defensively, I know when we step out there on the field, we can never accept that.
“I won’t be happy until Sunday comes around. It was just embarrassing all the way around.”
Head coach Jeff Fisher believed the defense played hard against the Saints but simply was unable to make plays, adding there were some issues within the scheme. But Fisher believes the Rams have ironed out the issues.
Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said the defensive breakdown was a result of Brees making a lot of nice plays and his defense making a few mistakes.
“A couple of those point-of-attack mistakes were explosive and point producing,” Williams said. “Our guys have really, really responded well this week to that. Sometimes you get a wake-up call. We’ve been pretty dominant for four or five weeks and, all of a sudden, that wakes you up. I haven’t had any problem holding their attention in the meetings this week.”
Both Fisher and Williams admit that it’s a little easier to get their defensive players focused knowing Brady is going to be under center Sunday.
“They understand the challenge this week,’ Fisher said. “We’re certainly not looking ahead to next week or the following week, but we’ve got some good quarterbacks on our schedule. They understand this challenge and they know they need to be right.”
The Rams appear excited to test their skills against Brady.
Having been in the league just three years, defensive back LaMarcus Joyner has not had a chance to face Brady on the playing field. His familiarity with Brady comes from playing the Madden video game.
“If you have him as your quarterback (in Madden), you are going to be in the Super Bowl every year,” Joyner said. “To go against a great quarterback like him could not be a better challenge for me personally.
“He is one of the best in history. When you have a quarterback who can make the guys around him just as good as he is, you have to play disciplined, sound football. You have to keep fighting.”
Teams like the Denver Broncos and New Your Giants have had success against Brady and the New England offense by using a strong pass rush to disrupt the timing between Brady and his receivers. The Rams have enough talent on the defensive line to put some pressure on Brady.
Donald says the main goal is to get after Brady, but he knows it won’t be easy.
“They will try to do stuff to slow us down but we have to find a way to get pressure on him and get sacks,” Donald said. “We have a game plan; we just have to execute.”
As one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL, Donald takes pride in taking on the challenge of top quarterbacks like Brady and Brees. He managed to sack Brees last week and has his sights set on an in-game meeting with Brady.
“He’s one of the best that has ever played the game so you want to get him,” Donald said. “When you play against a quarterback like that, you have to eliminate mistakes and play smart.
“Guys like that (Brady and Brees) do a lot of different things to slow a good pass rush down. They start blocking you by themselves by getting the ball out faster and sliding protection. They are the best. You have to understand they will do different things but you still have to get to them.”
Stopping the Patriots offense got a little easier after All-Pro tight end Rob Gronkowski had back surgery and is expected to miss the rest of the season.
But Williams said there’s still plenty to worry about even without Gronkowski.
“Every game takes on a different personality within the game, but they’ve been practicing all week without him anyway, so they’ve got a plan,” Williams said. “Martellus Bennett is a pretty good tight end. He can pretty much do everything that Gronk was doing anyways. Probably all of us won’t see a whole lot of change because this is the profile that’s best for them. If it does change, then we have to react in the game to see what people they bring out there.”
znModerator. His strategy is to limit possessions. Like what coaches do in basketball when there is no shot clock and they play a better team, “like the 4 corners offense”. This lets you steal games from better teams, but also makes the games close between lesser or equal opponents.
I don’t believe that’s his strategy. I think we’ve seen a lot of that with qbs they either ended up not seeing as starters, or never saw as starters (eg. Foles and Keenum). Now even with a rookie they play less like that (keeping it close) already.
Their strategy on offense, IMO, is to field a balanced attack. I don’t think the “play it close” thing has anything to do with it–I think that has been true recently, mostly because of the qb situation. But I already see that changing with Goff, even though he’s a rookie.
IMO people often talk about the Fisher offense when what they’re actually seeing is the Fisher offense without a quarterback.
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znModeratorDon’t forget, as a whole, the Rams have drafted more OLinemen than any NFL franchise in the past 5 years.
That’s not exactly accurate. And it’s checkable. They’re tied with 2 other teams for most. So no they;re not THE most.
Over the last 5 years, 2012-16, Indianapolis and SF drafted 10. If you count Battle, Rams also got 10.
Seattle is next down with 9.
The problem with judging the Rams OL picks is that half of them–Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle–are just 2 year vets, all having been drafted in 2015. So it’s still a little soon to judge all 5.
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December 3, 2016 at 8:45 pm in reply to: Ross & Greg preview stuff and talk a bit about Jared Goff #60132
znModeratorhis feet are amazing. he’s the type of guy who could make his oline look better than it is.
way better than bradford was or could be.
but yeah. some accuracy issues to work out.
I agree that he has the raw talent (though of course not yet the experience) to form a nice synergy with the OL and yes make their job easier. It’s both the feet as you say and the quick release. He has a Bulger level quick release.
I’m not sure if in turn you agree with this, but, I think the accuracy issues are just rookie-itis stuff that will settle down. That’s just the impression I have. When I watch I don’t see him as inherently and always a streaky type when it comes to accuracy (which as long as I mentioned him is something you saw with Bulger).
znModeratorWhy Are Media Outlets Still Citing Discredited ‘Fake News’ Blacklist?
Adam Johnson
link: http://fair.org/home/why-are-media-outlets-still-citing-discredited-fake-news-blacklist/
The Washington Post (11/24/16) last week published a front-page blockbuster that quickly went viral: Russia-promoted “fake news” had infiltrated the newsfeeds of 213 million Americans during the election, muddying the waters in a disinformation scheme to benefit Donald Trump. Craig Timberg’s story was based on a “report” from an anonymous group (or simply a person, it’s unclear) calling itself PropOrNot that blacklisted over 200 websites as agents or assets of the Russian state.
The obvious implication was that an elaborate Russian psyop had fooled the public into voting for Trump based on a torrent of misleading and false information posing as news. Everyone from Bloomberg’s Sahil Kupar to CNN’s to Robert Reich to Anne Navarro to MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid tweeted out the story in breathless tones. Center for American Progress and Clinton advocate Neera Tanden even did her best Ron Paul YouTube commenter impression, exclaiming, “Wake up people.”
But the story didn’t stand up to the most basic scrutiny. Follow-up reporting cast major doubt on the Washington Post’s core claims and underlying logic, the two primary complaints being 1) the “research group” responsible for the meat of the story, PropOrNot, is an anonymous group of partisans (if more than one person is involved) who tweet like high schoolers, and 2) the list of supposed Russian media assets, because its criteria for Russian “fake news” encompasses “useful idiots,” includes entirely well-within-the-mainstream progressive and libertarian websites such as Truth-Out, Consortium News, TruthDig and Antiwar.com (several of whom are now considering lawsuits against PropOrNot for libel).
PropOrNot says their criteria for “Russian propaganda” is “behavioral” and “motivation-agnostic,” so even those who publish views that simply coincide with the Russian government’s, regardless of intent or actual links to Russia, are per se Kremlin assets—an absurd metric that casts a net so wide as to render the concept meaningless.
Glenn Greenwald and Ben Norton of The Intercept (11/26/16) called PropOrNot “amateur peddlers of primitive, shallow propagandistic clichés” who were “engaging in extremely dubious McCarthyite tactics about a wide range of critics and dissenters.” Fortune magazine’s Matthew Ingram (11/25/16) insisted the report had the “beginnings of a conspiracy theory, rather than a scientific analysis,” while AlterNet’s Max Blumenthal (11/26/16) lamented that “insiders have latched onto a McCarthyite campaign that calls for government investigations of a wide array of alternative media outlets.”
As Matt Taibbi wrote in Rolling Stone (11/28/16):
The vast majority of reporters would have needed to see something a lot more concrete than a half-assed theoretical paper from such a dicey source before denouncing 200 news organizations as traitors.
Almost everyone outside of the Washington Post who critically examined the list concluded it was at best shoddy and ill-considered, and at worst a deliberate attempt to encourage a chilling effect on Russia-related reporting. That a group of Cold Warrior hacks would publish such a blacklist is not a surprise; that one of the most established names in American news would uncritically parrot it was. Its reporting, writing-up and referencing is a prime example of how fake real news on real fake news spreads without question.
USA Today (11/25/16), Gizmodo (11/25/16), PBS (11/25/16), The Daily Beast (11/25/16), Slate (11/25/16), AP (11/25/16) The Verge (11/25/16) and NPR (11/25/16) all uncritically wrote up the Post’s most incendiary claims with little or minimal pushback. Gizmodo was so giddy its original headline had to be changed from “Research Confirms That Russia Played a Major Role in Spreading Fake News” to “Research Suggests That Russia Played a Major Role in Spreading Fake News,” presumably after some polite commenters pointed out that the research “confirmed” nothing of the sort.
“Um ‘stories planted or promoted by the Russian disinformation campaign were viewed 213 million times,’” New York Times deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman (11/24/16) tweeted out to the tune of 2,800 retweets. But the report didn’t show this at all. There was no methodology provided, nor was there any consideration by Weisman that that “213 million” figure of Russian “fake news” included, for example, the third-most popular news site in the United States, the Drudge Report.
Drudge not only has no funding or backing from Putin, but predates his administration by several years. But because Drudge occasionally publishes stories that make the US look bad in relation to Russia, and because PropOrNot’s “useful idiots” criterion is “motivation-agnostic,” its entire footprint has become a “Russian disinformation campaign.” Did Weisman know this? Did he care?
Maddow: ‘It was like Russia was running a super PAC for Trump’s campaign’
(MaddowBlog, 11/28/16)
As reports debunking or discrediting The List came out, the story continued to spread. Joy Ann Reid (Daily Beast, 11/27/16) alluded to the PropOrNot story to bolster her claim that there was an “alarming consensus of experts” that Russia interfered in the US election by “pumping of fake news and propaganda into the country’s digital bloodstream,” despite no such consensus existing. On Monday, Business Insider (11/28/16) insisted that PropOrNot’s “methods uncover some connections that merit consideration,” while citing only two examples and ignoring all of the major objections advanced by Greenwald, Taibbi et al. Rachel Maddow’s popular blog (MSNBC, 11/28/16) added another breathless write-up hours later, repeating the catchy talking point that “it was like Russia was running a super PAC for Trump’s campaign.”
Despite respected media critics taking the report to task, the Post’s spurious claims are being cemented as conventional wisdom, all the while the writer of the story and his editor refuse to answer direct criticism or reveal who this anonymous person or persons is. What are their motives? Who are their funders? Why is “useful idiot” being propped up by a major news outlet as a useful distinction? Why weren’t those on the blacklist asked to comment? Despite numerous inquiries by The Intercept, Rolling Stone and The Nation (11/28/16), all these questions remain unanswered.
One would think reports on “fake news” would themselves be held to the highest possible editorial standards, if not out of some instinctual desire to avoid high doses of irony and cognitive dissonance, at least to shield against charges of blatant hypocrisy. But increasingly, as the moral panic surrounding “fake news” reaches fever pitch, the standards of skepticism and sourcing employed by some of our most trusted news sources have inversely sunk to tabloid levels.-
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December 3, 2016 at 2:55 pm in reply to: Ross & Greg preview stuff and talk a bit about Jared Goff #60118
znModeratorCompact delivery, good arm not a gun. Throws intermediate pass well. Feet–in between frenetic and pro quick. Rams may have most unathletic OL in the league and the Saints went after Goff AND the OL. This game JG erratic with ball placement…made some great throws, but at times was scattershot.
znModeratorAnd of course I think Goff is that qb. He isn’t Wilson, he’s a different animal, BUT I also think he can be close to Wilson in QUALITY of play, just doing it differently.
mmmm… i like what i’ve seen so far, but i’m not ready to make that comparison.
my personal opinion is that wilson is a special qb.
i think he’s up there with the best. it wasn’t just a great defense and great running game that propped him up.
i also think it’s far from given that the rams can match seattle’s defense and running game.
so there’s a lot of questions still about this team and the talent assembled by jeff.
What makes Wilson special is clutch play. We don’t know yet if Goff has that.
But let’s say with Goff, they can score 21 points a game.
That means more wins, that also means the defense is playing from ahead more.
In terms of the running game, until they had Wilson, Seattle (with the same OL and the same RB) ranked 31st in rushing yards (2010) and 21st in rushing yards (2011). In 2012, with a rookie qb who was very pro ready, they suddenly ranked 3rd. Some of that was Wilson (489 yards) but still.
What Goff does do is threaten the 15-25 yard range, sideline to sideline. That has got to change the way defenses play them.
He will also, I assume (based on how he plays) cut down on sacks.
December 3, 2016 at 11:57 am in reply to: a zine post from just before the season started in 99 #60106
znModeratorThis post had to have been made after Green was injured and before the season started.
Yes. It was made before the last pre-season game.
The poster, Calvin, had followed Warner in the Euro league. He was a big advocate.
znModeratorI think a new OC overhaul and a 2yr deal from Stan will give Fisher the team he needs to win with now that we have a QB and RB.
I honestly think it is THIS simple.
They just needed the qb.
Having the qb will not turn them into the GSOT.
But they have the pieces to field a decent scoring offense IF they just have the qb.
Right now, it’s not really personnel that holds them back–it’s playing in a situation where they are always close, and have a slim margin of error. This has led to pressing, magnifying mistakes, having to have everything go right every play for it to work, etc. It strains the OL.
You put a qb in the middle of all that, and it increases the margin for error. It just comes together more effectively. I think of the Seattle example–until they had Wilson, they were a perpetual 7-9 team.
And of course I think Goff is that qb. He isn’t Wilson, he’s a different animal, BUT I also think he can be close to Wilson in QUALITY of play, just doing it differently.
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znModeratorINJURY REPORT
The Rams have five players listed on their Friday injury report, none of whom were declared out for the game against New England.
Wide receiver Tavon Austin (chest) did not practice all week and is listed as doubtful. Center Tim Barnes(foot), offensive lineman Andrew Donnal (hip), offensive lineman Rodger Saffold (hand), and defensive end Robert Quinn (concussion) are listed as questionable.
In the concussion protocol, Quinn has not been ruled out for Sunday.
“That was something that came up Monday,” Fisher said. “It was not a Sunday issue, it became a Monday issue. So we examined him and so we put him in the protocol just to be on the safe side. So, he’s still in it.”
On the other side, New England announced Thursday tight end Rob Gronkowski is to undergo surgery on Friday to address a lower-back injury. It’s expected that the surgery will keep the tight end out for the remainder of the 2016 season.
“With Gronk going down, now we don’t know what to expect out of their offense,” Fisher said. “So we’re going to have to, as I said, be able to adjust defensively.”
“Bill has always found a way to adjust,” Fisher continued, referring to the New England head coach. “So that’s the unanticipated consequences of the injury. Feel bad from Gronk, and hope he comes back healthy. But we don’t know what to expect out of them.”
What the Rams do know is that tight end Martellus Bennett is more than capable of handling what the Patriots do offensively. He’s caught 42 passes for 540 yards and four touchdowns this season, averaging 12.9 yards per reception — his highest mark since his rookie year with Dallas in 2008.
“Martellus Bennett is a pretty good tight end,” defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said. “He can pretty much do everything that Gronk was doing anyway.”
znModeratorPractice Report 12/2: Goff Ready for Next Challenge
Myles Simmons
Last Sunday against New Orleans, Goff finished 20-of-32 passing for 214 yards with three touchdowns and an interception. It was only the second time this season the Rams have passed for three touchdowns in a game.
Goff’s first-half performance stood out, especially in the two-minute drill leading up to halftime. In that stretch, the young signal-caller showed his strong pocket presence, moving to evade the rush and find an open passing lane. It’s part of how he was able to find tight end Lance Kendricks for a 24-yard pass to extend the drive and the 15-yard touchdown to cap it.
“We’ve been saying it for so long with all the questions about how he’s growing in the classroom, and then we’ve seen the flashes of it, and it was good. You saw it leading up during the course of the week — just his comfort being in the huddle, the tempo that we had to practice with Friday, the way he handled everything,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said of Goff. “You saw it coming, and you prayed that it was going to happen. You just didn’t know if it was going to come to fruition, and it did.
“It just proved it wasn’t too big for him,” Boras continued. “You saw the way he moved in the pocket. He made some big-time throws. It was a really good first half for him.”
“I don’t think it’s anything in particular,” Goff said of his progress. “I think it’s just everything’s improved and the game is starting to slow down. It’s starting to feel more comfortable every day out here and every week on Sundays.”
As there is with any young quarterback, Goff had his missteps against the Saints as well. There was the lost fumble deep in Los Angeles’ own territory that led to a New Orleans touchdown. And there was the third-quarter interception, where Goff looked like he tried to force a pass between a pair of defenders to Kendricks.
But as Boras put it, one of Goff’s best attributes is how he can put negative plays behind him quickly.
“Jared has a very short memory, and he’s a very confident young man,” Boras said. “The fumble — he forgets it. He comes back, and he’ll play — the next play. Same thing with the interception. He doesn’t carry that, and that’s hard.
“We always talk about play the next play, and a lot of times it can just be lip service, but I think he’s got a short memory,” Boras continued. “He’s confident in himself, and his ability. I think seeing something go bad and how he responded, I think that was a really positive sign, how he battled through those couple plays of adversity.”
Goff said he’s always tried to move on well from one play to the next — whether the result is positive or negative.
“Throw a touchdown, it’s over immediately. Have a bad play, it’s over immediately,” Goff said. “I think that’s kind of the best way to go about it as a quarterback — not get too high, not get too low. Obviously there are times that you’re going to be excited and there’s going to be times where you’re not very happy, but forget about as soon as you can because the next play is the most important one.”
Just as the next game is the most important one. And this one in particular will be a challenge for Goff going up against one of the best in Patriots head coach Bill Belichick and his staff. Goff is trying to become the first rookie quarterback to beat New England at Gillette Stadium since it opened in 2002. And overall, Belichick is 16-5 against rookie quarterbacks since 2001.
So what is it about a Belichick defense that makes it so tough on young QBs?
“I think it’s just the variety that they have. They change stuff pretty consistently and do what they do really well for a long time — it’s proven results,” Goff said. “You don’t really know what to expect going in, you have an idea on film, but you know they’re going to bring something new every week. You have to be ready to adjust.”
“I think he’ll handle it,” Boras said. “He’s going to see different looks. We know they’re going to try to create confusion. It’s not just Jared that they’re confusing. Because of that, all the other guys need to step up and apply the rules, and trust what they’re seeing as well. It’s not just the quarterback, it’s, obviously, the other 10 guys on the field as well have to recognize and get on the same page with Jared, and all those different fronts and coverages that we’re going to see.”
Still, according to Rams head coach Jeff Fisher, Goff had a strong week of practice and is ready for the challenge.
“He was great — especially today,” Fisher said. “He had the wind behind him, but he knew exactly where to go with the football. So I thought he had a great week. And, hopefully, it carries over into his production and performance.”
znModeratori find it interesting that wentz has cooled off significantly since his fast start.
You know what? I actually don’t think that’s going to happen to Goff. The cooling off. Not that he will ascend forever, but you know what I mean.
znModeratorBut then Linehan went through similar things, and my reaction then was, I don’t care, I don’t like him anyway.
So people don’t have to win the “so isn’t he responsible for X Y or Z” thing.
But at the same time, people keep telling me yes you can with with those conditions, and then can’t name anyone who has.
I’m not trying to win anything….. I’m just expressing my point of view.
I don’t understand why you are telling me that I’m trying to win something.
I am mildly irrritated by this
Wait…who are you talking to?
I didn’t see anyone say anyone was “trying to win” anything.
Well I just went through and there’s a good chance you’re talking to me and the first post I quote.
So on that I can assure you, I wasn;t doing the heavy-duty “you try to win discussions at all costs” number with that statement. It was a much lighter touch than that. I really didn’t mean anything more than “and we dont have to agree on xyz, that doesn’t matter that much.:
I can see how that looked like the HEAVY version of “you are just trying to win,” but it really wasn;t that—my heart is in the same place as you. I prefer informal poll, all views chime in style posting and I like the fact that that is prevalent here. I wouldn;’t use the heavy version of that word here. (There ARE places where yes that’s how it is–where some posters are definitely like that.)
So to avoid confusion, let me say what I mean in different words.
We’re having a “what is Fisher responsible for” debate. I am one of those who claims that no coach wins much with the specific conditions I describe, AND that those conditions were beyond his control.
But, to take put it all in perspective, I added, and it doesn’t really matter in the end what any of us believe on that one issue–because someone can always skip over that issue entirely and say, it doesn’t matter either way I don’t like the guy as a head coach. To me that just puts that particular issue (conditions) in perspective.
So it;s more like me saying —> I <—- don;t approach the “conditions” discussion as something —> I <—- am trying to “win,” cause in perspective, it doesn’t matter… I just am trying to keep up with everyone from a minority perspective, but I personally don’t go about it as someone “trying to win.” (Though also like everyone else I stand by my view of it.)
My repeated example is, Linehan had massively wrecked OLs that were so bad they brought the qb down with them. I said yeah he can’t win under THOSE conditions, but, it doesn’t matter…I don’t like him as a head coach anyway.
So in the post (I think) you’re responding to, I wasn;t negatively characterizing posters or lashing out at their motives or telling them they can’t speak their minds. I was just contributing my 2 cents while qualifying it by saying, basically, this one debate (“conditions”) is just one topic among others and won’t decide anything. And mostly I said THAT so I personally would not be seen as someone who thought there was a deciding argument. Again, just 2 cents.
znModerator2 games 58.7% 5.5 ypa 3td 1int 83.3 rating
Some of those numbers, particularly YPA, are going to be skewed by the Miami game.
I don’t think Goff plays like a 5.5 ypa guy. I just think the circumstances of the Miami game are unique. But that game will lower the average.
znModeratorGood thread.
znModeratorIf you want to objectively look at his record, you have reasons why he has struggled. If you want to evaluate him as a head coach, you see the reasons as excuses.
Well I evaluate him as a head coach, and I see reasons as reasons.
I also always add–or at least always think—it doesn’t matter though, if you don’t like him as a head coach for any number of reasons. I don’t see any of it as me making excuses for him.
I can say, the qb (+ OL) issue is paramount, and it pretty much drove everything. And I believe that.
But then that was true of Linehan too (though the equation was reversed in his case) and I acknowledged that at the time. But then I also said, I don’t care, I don’t like Linehan as a head coach anyway.
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znModeratorI’m not trying to win anything….. I’m just expressing my point of view.
I don’t understand why you are telling me that I’m trying to win something.
I am mildly irrritated by this
Wait…who are you talking to?
I didn’t see anyone say anyone was “trying to win” anything.
December 2, 2016 at 8:13 pm in reply to: Scouting QB Jared Goff After 2 Games; LA Rams vs NE Patriots #60053
znModeratorI assume if he’s gonna have a really bad game,
it might be against Belichex on the Road, in the cold.Early weather prediction is expecting around 40 degrees with no precipitation for Sunday’s game. I know this ain’t sunny LA, but 40 should not present any major problems. I watched the tail end of the Pats – Jets game last week, and they looked awful. Dropped passes and bad routes; a little like our horned wonders in times past… I found myself actually thinking that the Rams could beat these pukes. Will they? I don’t know. But watching how poorly the Pats played, I got the sense that they could. GW should commit to putting a collar on Edelman, taking away one of Bradys favorite targets. Gronk is already out due to injury, so, you limit Bradys options and then let the D-line have their way with him.
I know you know this NE, but if you live in cold weather zones, you never consider the 40s bad. Unless it’s a damp and humid 40s, then it can chill a little, but in fact the 40s are nice. You just need a jacket and the air is comfortable. I have 2 woodstoves and I check the weather to see if I should crank them up early. If it’s going to be in the 40s I never bother.
And I doubt the Rams feel the weather. Heck for that matter, Berkeley can be in the 40s this time of year–it’s not southern cal. And of course that’s where Goff played. He is not going to have worse weather in Mass. this weekend than he has seen in Cal, and of course Cal also plays on the road in Oregon and Washington.
And yes I think this year’s Patz can be beaten. Their defense isn’t better than the Rams defense this year. And Brady’s notorious weakness is a team capable of rushing him down after down.
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