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wvParticipantOne of the stories of the 2014 season, aside from
the QB carousel, is obviously
the defensive turnaround (see post below).But i cant help thinking about that
Philip Rivers game. The Rams D
didnt look so good against Rivers
on the road and the run game gashed
them pretty good if i remember right.It will be interesting to see how
Eli and R.Wilson
do against the Rams D.w
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Rams defenseGames 1-6
Points/game: 23.5
Yards/game: 378.7
Rushing yards/game: 145.0
Rushing yards/carry: 4.75
QB Rating: 105.9
QB Sacks: 4
Turnovers: 7
3rd/4th Downs: 46.2%Games 7-14
Points/game: 11.6
Yards/game: 310.5
Rushing yards/game: 79.4
Rushing yards/carry: 3.64
QB Rating: 78.4
QB Sacks: 32
Turnovers: 16
3rd/4th Downs: 27.7%
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wvParticipantHundley can’t do more than 2 reads,If he could, he would have learned by now. He’ll bet eaten alive as a starter in the NFL. He’s a career backup unless that magically disappears.
Sure seems like there is a consensus among the
draftnix that this is a bad year
to be needing a new QB.I guess maybe it was a mistake to pass
on Bridgewater and some of the QBs
Snisher passed on last year.…then again maybe they find a way
to go 16-0 next year with TJ Rubley.
Time will tell.w
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wvParticipantyou need a special guy to be QB in the NFL, not only in talent, but a guy that will put in the work to study, game plan to succeed.
Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Russell Wilson, Flacco, etc…..guys that have established great study and work habits to prep well to pick up the complexities of the game.
Very few can rely on raw talent, maybe Brett Farve, but to be great, you need talent and the will to have a strong smart work ethic.
Do you think this Winston kid has these habits established?
One of the things i started noticing about five or ten years ago or so,
was that the tv-celebrity-experts started talking a lot about
potential QB-draft-choices being “the face of the franchise” —
meaning that the QB had to represent the corporate ‘brand’
in a certain way. I’m not saying thats good or bad,
just saying there was a change at some point in the NFL.
I doubt tv-celebrity-experts were saying things like
“Billy Kilmer needs to be the face of the franchise”.w
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wvParticipantIs Quinn still the best player on this defense?
Yes.
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
And here’s a link to the New York Times article about how the investigation into the rape charges was completely mishandled:That, unfortunately, is not a link to the article mentioned, it’s just a link to the front page of the Times. As a rule, links on herd board posts don’t work here. You have to go get the link on a case by case basis yourself.
Nevertheless, I know a bit about that story. It’s actually part of a national issue. Campuses all across the country have gotten worse and worse at handling rape and sexual assault charges, not just with football players.
I thought this issue was deserving of its own thread btw so voila.
Why would campuses be getting worse?
Schools seem to be doing better
on bullying, i thot.w
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wvParticipantA trade-back
post.w
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DeadpoolAgain, its far from draft day, but the way I see things today, I would try to trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd and keep trading back until I am out of the first round or at least have 2 2nds and 2 3rd and the 4th back.
Rams Needs as of today (pre-FA and resigning its own, cutting players, etc.)
QB – regardless of Bradford there has to be a young QB to attempt and groom.
OG – with Long likely gone and Robinson now at LT, need a OG to pair with Saffold
OC – as bad as Wells has played, no one has taken his job, telling me the Rams need a OC
OLB – Tree and JL are fine, need a 2nd OLB
CB – in a passing league, you could always use CBs
FS – I think they need one, but apparently Fisher and I disagree.
WR – Britt isn’t a longterm solution, who knows when or if Quick comes back and returns to form. Austin, well Austin is what he is.After the top 2 QBs there isn’t one worth the 12th pick.
No CB, OLB, FS or OC is worth the 12th overall
OG – Schreff if he’s there would be perfect, but I think he’s gone.
WR – White will be there along with ParkerSo to me trade back, gobble up picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds where the value is.
Make it look something like:
2nd – AJ Cann OG USC
2nd – Sammie Coates/ Rashad Greene / DGB – I don’t have a clearcut favorite in the 2nd round unless Duke Williams comes out.
3rd – Reese Dismukes – OC AU
3rd – Brandon Bridge – QB – South Ala.
4th – Jake Ryan – OLB/ILB Michigan
5th – Ladarius Gunter CB Miami
7th – I do not care…say Kyle Emanuel DE NDSU and FCS defensive player of the year.Again, as of today. All this changes if Cook comes out, Schreff drops, etc…
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wvParticipantYes, i remember reading about Strode and K.Washington
when the Michael Sam issue came up.This is a little puzzling:
“Strode posed for one of two paintings commissioned by Adolf Hitler for the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin.”w
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“Excuse me, you’re not by any chance related to the Boston Hitlers are you?”
A New LeafDecember 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm in reply to: With heavy hearts, William Hayes and Eugene Sims play on #14182
wvParticipant“Playing this game and playing with these guys and coming back here,
I feel like I was at home with my family already.
You want to play for that first family and your second family.
Both of those families motivate you to play even harder.”
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from players on the team you root for.
Say what you will about Fisher,
he’s good at creating ‘that’ kind
of dynamic.w
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wvParticipant…“I knew the best thing for Aaron was to be in that three technique, like Warren Sapp, like John Randle,” Waufle said.
“So we went through a hair-triggering transition there,” Waufle said. “Because those guys (Brockers and Langford) had been locked into playing left and right, and now they had to do something different. And the thing I really appreciate is that (defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams let me do it. Allowed me to make these changes — he just let me have free rein with it because I knew it was the right thing to do for Aaron.
“And the thing I take my hat off is that Brockers and Langford have been so unselfish, and they’ve accepted” Donald….
—————————–First off, what iz a “hair triggering transition” ?
Second — Exactly ‘when‘ did they decide to change the Brockers/Langford role?
Cause I figured out that Donald should be a 3-tech and Brockers needed to be a NT
about 4 seconds after they drafted Donald. So, if an idiot-fan like me
figured that out in four seconds I’m assuming GW figured it out that quick too.I assume Langford is gone next year, and they bring in
a young beast of a NT to help out.w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
snowman wrote:
The Patriots would be nowhere without Tom Brady. They got lucky as hell in drafting him as we did in signing Kurt Warner. Without Brady, the Patriots with Belichick would be just like the Cleveland Browns with Belichick. The Patriots also have signed a lot of low end free agents and have gotten a lot of value from them – Randy Moss, LeGarrett Blount, Darrelle Revis, Brandon Lafell, etc… and I believe that many FAs are attracted to the patriots because of Brady, not Belichick.Well, Brady is a great one,
but they have managed to surround him
with a Good Oline year after year.
They just seem to plug in RBs
and WRs.w
vThey do have a technically sound and very good O line for pass protection, not sure they stand out on run blocking.
This is just me watching games, not breaking down film or really analyzing anything from a technical perspective, but watch how the Patriots O line pass blocks. They stay in their areas and don’t chase the D lineman on stunts or crosses. They have perfect posture, perfect balance and use their hands effectively making them almost immovable. They keep square to the pass rusher, meaning they move their feet well and rarely get in a position to need to take a holding penalty. They are very disciplined and work very well together as a unit, not a group of five one-on-one match ups. I hate the Patriots to my core but I admire their policy and training on pass blocking. From the looks of their roster, this technique and style and discipline is teachable to almost anyone. There have had some notable draft picks and free agents on their line, but for the most part, they are just offensive linemen who are good athletes with size and teachable. I credit Brady and their O line coach for much of their success.
Yes, I’ve noticed their OLines too.
zn has posted about their great old OLine coach.
I think he retired last year.Belichick and Brady are the keys, i guess,
but that organization has the most “brains”
in the league. I mean, just look at the
won-loss record over the last ten years.
There’s somethin special about that collection
of brains.…nevertheless, they must be stopped.
Someone must take the ring to Boston
and throw it at the Sam Adams Brewery.w
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wvParticipantThe Paper of the Mainstream-Record
recommended that Giants fans
stop watching the Giants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/sports/football/jets-giants-better-ways-to-spend-your-sunday.html?_r=0———————-
Surprising Giant factoid:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/sports/football/amid-giants-woes-young-players-get-a-chance-to-shine.html?ref=football
“…According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Sunday was the first time in the Giants’ 90-year history that one rookie finished with 100 receiving yards and another with 100 rushing yards in the same game.
Weston Richburg, making his 12th start at left guard, was part of a significantly improved performance by an offensive line that kept Eli Manning from being sacked. On defense, the rookie linebacker Devon Kennard and the second-year defensive end Damontre Moore each had two sacks; the Giants overran Tennessee’s injury-depleted offensive line for a total of eight sacks….”
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“…The Giants’ progress on defense provides another encouraging element. It generated at least seven sacks in three consecutive games for the first time in franchise history, but it should be noted that they exploited injury-depleted offensive lines and young quarterbacks.
The rookies Blake Bortles and Zach Mettenberger started for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee. The Giants sacked Robert Griffin III seven times on Sunday after Colt McCoy reinjured his neck on the opening series. Griffin has been slowed by two devastating knee injuries, one at Baylor and the other at the end of his dazzling rookie season in Washington. He dislocated an ankle in the second game this year…”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/sports/football/after-two-straight-wins-giants-recognize-their-deficiencies-if-not-themselves.html?ref=football
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wvParticipantHe burns them out.
You just can’t function at 100% all the time. Not organizationally, not execution-wise.
So, rather than bake in fail-safes, coverages (organizationally) and compensations, he just goes pedal to the metal until the lubricant of winning wears thin and the gears start to wear down….then start to catch…
SF’s engine is about to seize with all the friction.
We’ve got less lubrication from “winning”, but his management style applies so much torque that it breaks down the lubricant so that even with 3 straight NFC Championship game appearances and 1 SB appearance… all that “lubricant” has ALREADY been lost.
From a management perspective, it’s fascinating how not all success is created equal.
So, youre saying Belichex
uses more lubricant?
Is that what yer saying?w
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wvParticipantthis quote really caught my eye.
Opponents have a Total QBR of 44 against the Rams in 388 dropbacks with Donald on the field. That would rank fourth in the NFL. The Rams have allowed a Total QBR of 74 in 147 dropbacks with Donald off the field, which would rank 31st.
Yeah, that is a startling stat.
One of the most interesting Stats
of the season, really.w
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wvParticipant1. La’el Collins OT
2. Cameron Erving OThttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824825/lael-collins
STRENGTHS: Collins possesses a square-ish build that makes him appear better suited to guard. His frame belies his quick feet, an attribute that when combined with his long arms, impressive strength and aggression make him a devastating run blocker. Collins is often the quickest of LSU’s offensive linemen off the snap and he routinely drives his assignment off the line of scrimmage with pure power, creating easy running lanes for LSU’s backs. He’s surprisingly quick to the second level and has good body control to adjust to moving targets.As a pass blocker, Collins shows good initial quickness in his kick-slide and uses his long reach to maintain the arc. When he gets his hands on opponents and remains square, it is generally lights out for the defender.
WEAKNESSES: He does not possess elite balance and can be challenged by speed-rushers. He’ll over-compensate occasionally and leave the inside open for counters.
Collins’ aggression is admirable but also leads to mistakes. Rather than patiently waiting for defenders to come to him, Collins will occasionally lunge, making himself top-heavy and prone to slipping down the body of his opponent. This can lead to his hands getting too low or slipping onto the side and/or back of defenders, which invites them to swim over the top of him to disengage.
–Rob Rang (8/18/14)
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STRENGTHS: Versatile athlete who has transitioned from the defensive side of the ball to start at both left tackle and center. Boasts a pretty remarkable combination of size (6-feet-5, 309 pounds) and athleticism, and blends length with surprisingly light feet and flexibility.As a run-blocker, displays the toughness and aggression that made him an impact performer on the other side of the football as he works to finish opponents with strong hands and impressive natural power in his lower half. Frequently asked to block at the second level. He pulls smoothly, showing impressive initial quickness and acceleration for a man of his size.
Possesses the light feet and fluidity to thwart some of the nation’s best edge rushers at tackle, while also showing the ability to seal off defensive tackles at center.
Shows smooth athleticism in his kick-step to handle speed off the edge as well as the strong hands to latch on and control his opponent. Perhaps most impressive, Erving plays with good knee bend, which helps him win the leverage battle and generally anchor well against bull rushes.
WEAKNESSES: Simply needs to become a more consistent technician. Footwork gets a bit sloppy in pass protection at times and he’ll bend at the waist to catch the rush rather than absorbing with his lower half. Tendency to rely too heavily on his upper body when battling, often stopping his feet when engaged.
Aggression sometimes works against Erving. He’ll drop his head on contact, providing defenders opportunities to wash through him. Fails to adjust when blocking on the move, at times. While he’s quick to the second level, Erving too often loses track of his target, winding up where he thought the play was going to go only to have his assignment run past him. Each is a correctable skill that the athletic big man should improve upon as he gains experience.
–Rob Rang & Derek Stephens (11/20/14)
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wvParticipantit’s funny that the defense is the unit that’s gone through so much flux during the fisher era while the offense has enjoyed continuity under schottenheimer.
but yeah. the defense will be out of excuses if williams stays. and there’s no reason to think that there will be another coordinator change there. another slow start will make my doubt grow bigger.
one thought. i wonder what the rams do if shaq thompson is available in the first round.
i could totally see them going for a guy like him – a hybrid lb/safety type – and then going offensive line in the later rounds.
I tend to agree with La in the sense that
I’m not totally sold on the D yet.
Somethin just doesnt feel quite right about it.
There’s just somethin about it that doesnt quite
seem totally ‘sound.’ I’m no expert, and i cant really
explain it, but I know it when i see it.Having said that, I think the D would certainly
be ‘good enough’ if the Offense would pull its weight.GW won a Ring with the Saints with a good, ornery D,
that created turnovers — and an Offense that blew
teams out.I think the Rams can win with GW, but i doubt the D
is ever really consistent, and they need
a complementary O. (kinda stating the obvious)w
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wvParticipantLa on next year
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LaramI’m not the biggest G. Williams fan, so I might be a bit biased in my assessment but if you look at his history his defenses have been up and down. He’s had just as many bottom feeder defenses as top level one’s.
Teams will have all off season to study the Rams defenses and how to attack it. I think we’ll see more of teams running the Rams out of the Big Nickel. I don’t like the pass defense, I don’t think you can survive giving up 70% comp rate.
What I saw in the Arizona games concern me.
I also feel that JL and Jo-Lonn have declined and will continue to do so. So that means either an upgrade outside or more Big Nickel.
So we’ll see what they do in the off-season, and how they see the defense.
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…As I’ve said before Carson would have shredded the Rams D.I’m not buying the hype, I still see holes and some good in-game counters by smart coordinators.
Washington and Oakland are a mess and the rushing stats against are not indicative of what’s transpiring in the games.
Redskins – 9 rushes
Broncos – 9 rushesWhen a team actually stuck with the run, AZ had 143 yds on about 29 atts
The Rams have had very few rushing atts against. Even in the SD game although Matthews had 105 yds he only had 12 carries, they had only 19 total.
I’m not convinced.
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wvParticipantThe Patriots would be nowhere without Tom Brady. They got lucky as hell in drafting him as we did in signing Kurt Warner. Without Brady, the Patriots with Belichick would be just like the Cleveland Browns with Belichick. The Patriots also have signed a lot of low end free agents and have gotten a lot of value from them – Randy Moss, LeGarrett Blount, Darrelle Revis, Brandon Lafell, etc… and I believe that many FAs are attracted to the patriots because of Brady, not Belichick.
Well, Brady is a great one,
but they have managed to surround him
with a Good Oline year after year.
They just seem to plug in RBs
and WRs.w
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wvParticipantIf your around: looks like no one including the Rams are coming back here any time soon.
Isnt that an article about the Chargers?
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wvParticipant“As a financial matter, McDonald was signed for next year, with a cap number of $6,475,985. There will be $4,609,971 of dead money, and $1,806,014 in cap savings, per Spotrac. But the 49ers have chosen to put financial considerations as well as football ability on hold as the crisis surrounding this season has been ratcheted upward yet again.”
wvParticipantKaepernik assesses the situation:
“It’s tough. He’s a good friend to a lot of people on this team,” Kaepernick said. “No one around him ever thought bad of him. He was always a good person to everyone around here, so hopefully it’s just a misunderstanding.”
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/kaepernick-you-have-abide-high-standard———————–
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/ray-mcdonald-straw-broke-jed-yorks-resolve
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“…More to the point, though, it is an example that the 49ers have had enough of not only McDonald but of the season in its totality, one which ended Sunday with a 17-7 loss at Seattle. Between the stadium’s shortcomings, the ongoing jousts with head coach Jim Harbaugh, York’s ill-advised postgame tweet after the first Seattle loss the McDonald issues, the suspension of linebacker Aldon Smith and the on-field struggles that turned a Super Bowl contender into a hard-to-watch also-ran, York has seemingly determined that his patience has been exhausted.This could signal the beginning of a full-on restructuring/rebuilding of not only the coaching staff, which would have been expected, but on the organization’s general rules of operation. …”
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wvParticipant>wv wrote:
A good personnel/coaching team
with cap-space, “ought” to be able to fix
this OLine.That only leaves that…um…one other
little problem.w
vYeah. I know.
Is Mason the guy?
Maybe they need a 2nd round RB this time.
I pree-dict, Mason fumbles in the Seattle
game.
I think good defenses are gonna
separate Tre from the ball.w
vDecember 17, 2014 at 10:37 am in reply to: What kind of food you setting up for tonight's Titans/Jaguars game? #14057
wvParticipant2-12 and 2-12
Titans
vs
JaguarsThursday Nite Football.
Does it get any better than
this?w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
I dunno if Barksdale is coming back
or if they should even want him back.
He hasn’t been all that impressive
in the second half of the year.I think Barksdale will be back. I think he’s better playing next to Saffold. I also think that he could work on technique issues in the off-season. I ALSO think starting ROTs are not that hard to find and they could add someone behind him in any number of ways.
Replacing 3 linemen in one year? A lot to ask. But it’s G, C, and ROT, which are not big challenges. I looked up PFF rankings on OGs, for example, and 75% of their top 12 are NOT 1st round picks.
In their line-building histories, both Boudreau and Fisher have been in situations where they turned OLs around in one year. Though…they ain’t gonna do it with 3 rookies. I think they would rather eat their own fingers than start 3 rookie linemen.
Yeah, the OLine problems are fixable in
one offseason. A good personnel/coaching team
with cap-space, “ought” to be able to fix
this OLine.That only leaves that…um…one other
little problem.w
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wvParticipantYeah, i would say the Patriot lesson is
have a great coach and great assistants
and have yourself a great QB who wont
break the bank.And even then, its tough to win it All.
Having said that, it is interesting how
some teams can manage to put together
good teams year after year, without
relying on high picks. There’s gotta be
some good personnel guyz in those organizations.w
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wvParticipant…and is Barrett Jones a starter or
a bust ?w
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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/jones-hoping-for-brighter-days-ahead-with-rams/article_6b75335c-fde7-54c4-a19f-fba46a35d736.htmlSee link….“So that was frustrating,” Jones said. “I feel like I lost some ground there. I’m definitely starting to get it back; starting to get close to feeling like I was.”
When the regular season ends in 12 days, Jones will return to his hometown in Memphis and attack the offseason with his personal trainer.
“Hopefully I can have that same kind of offseason and training camp next year where I can be noticed as a player that’s really improved,” he said. “Hopefully that’s the case, and hopefully I can start next year. That’s my goal.
“This is obviously a huge offseason for me. This is a big kind of defining moment. So I’m gonna just really tear it up this offseason. Work extremely hard. And just kinda make it a goal to just get better in every area. Get stronger. Get faster. Get my body back to where it needs to be.”
Exactly where that potential starting position is on the offensive line remains a mystery. Remember, Jones started two years at right guard, one year at left tackle, and one year at center at Alabama….
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wvParticipantSo the Oline next year is..what?
LT – Greg Robinson
G – ?
C – ?
G – R Saffold
RT – ?I dunno if Barksdale is coming back
or if they should even want him back.
He hasn’t been all that impressive
in the second half of the year.Who are the Free Agents this year
on the OLine?
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wvParticipantIf the Rams decide to go with a rookie QB
next year…let us hope it does
not look like this:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014121404/2014/REG15/bengals@browns#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000443236&tab=recapDecember 16, 2014 at 12:41 pm in reply to: Which game is more important to you to win? Giants or Seahawks? #13973
wvParticipantWell, i cant see them beating
Seattle in Seattle, with a backup QB.
Just cant see it.
So unless they knock out Russell Wilson
or unless the game means nothing to Seattle
that’ll be a big fat “L”Year 4 though — I’ll be surprised
if they dont get ten wins.w
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wvParticipantIs it just me or are the Rams whacking QBs at an alarming rate? We started with our own guys – Bradford and Hill (who returned) and then moved on to Palmer, McCoy, Stanton…anybody else? Would you really want to be Eli Manning or Rusty Wilson right now? I’d call in sick just in case. How pissed are the Cardinals?
Yeah, and they Bulgerized Bulger, too.
And then there was that whole
Kurt Warner pinky thing.Merry Holiday.
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wvParticipantI just thot I’d list the losses
just soze i could look at emMinn 34-6
Dallas 34-31
Philly 34-28
SF 31-17
KC 34-7Ariz 31-14
SanD 27-24
Ariz 12-6The defense was just a mess
the first half of the year,
though, i never thought they
were being ‘overpowered’. Just
a lot of mistakes.(course, the refs did steal the Dallas game)
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