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OK, well, I want Hill to be Willis Reed.
Or Connie Hawkins. No, wait, not Connie Hawkins.
Maybe Bill Mazeroski.Anywayz, Earl Morral had some
great Defenses on his great Colt and Dolphin teams.
The Rams D certainly has the potential
to be scary-good.w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Robert Quinn is better ?w
vThis is great news.
Maybe we can package Quinn, a second round pick and Eugene Sims to the Eagles for Mark Sanchez now.
What a break.
Maybe they could package the RG3-gang
for Sanchez:
Brockers, Janoris, Stacy, Ogletree, Stedman, Pead.w
vwvParticipantI would probably like to see Jake Long
get plenty of reps. I want that guy ready to play.w
vAugust 27, 2014 at 8:57 am in reply to: Strauss: Bradford's injury is a turning point for franchise #5309wvParticipantEverybody has points, but you have to factor in a couple more things. Fisher appears to build his teams to be QB proof, like SF and Seattle do. imo Fisher is not going to have a QB controversy. Whether that is the best thing to do or if I agree with it doesn’t change the fact that it is probably an OK strategy.
Well…it’s tough for a head coach to look good
when his starting QB gets his knee blown out
two years in a row. Thats all i got.I am glad they did not draft Johnny the Idiot
and his entourage, btw.This will be an inter esting year
to say the least.
Britt, Quick, Stedman, Tavon,
Kendricks, Cook, Harkey, Stacy…this offense
can still be ornery if Boudreau
can keep the Oline functioning.w
vAugust 27, 2014 at 7:38 am in reply to: Strauss: Bradford's injury is a turning point for franchise #5305wvParticipant[www.sportingnews.com]
Rams failed by not hedging bets with Sam Bradford
Vinnie Iyer @vinnieiyer
Is it fair to offically call Sam Bradford a total draft bust in the wake of his latest knee injury, another torn left ACL that will cause him to miss the entire 2014 season? Not exactly.
The Rams, on the other hand, keep getting busted for continuing to trust him as their only choice as their franchise quarterback. They continue to pay the price for it in the unforgiving NFC West, and it doesn’t have much to do with the $14-plus million he’ll still make.
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Bradford was the last of first overall drafted quarterbacks to get the megabucks before playing an NFL down. As the 2010 No. 1 pick, he got $50 million of his six-year, $78 million rookie deal guaranteed. Although he had a promising rookie season to suggest he was worth it, it’s all gone wrong since.
The Rams are again in the predicament of starting a journeyman backup (enter Shaun Hill, exit Kellen Clemens) with their little chance at winning the NFL’s toughest division down to zero.
Where they failed in relation to the three, all still better NFC West teams — San Francisco, Seattle and Arizona — was not having a different kind of backup plan in place: A Plan B for another starter. There’s an excellent chance they’ll be forced to head that way in 2015. The decision to consider real possbilities would just be coming three offseasons too late.
Two underrated elements for a team to know early if it’s bound to see a return on investing in a highly-drafted quarterback: Durability and steady growth. Arm, athleticisn, accuracy, decision-making and all that other great stuff don’t mean much when you can’t stay and play on the field and improve with each year that you do.
For Bradford, both have been difficult. Following his success with his first NFL offensive coordinator, Pat Shurmur in 2010, Bradford both missed six games with ankle injury and regressed under his second coordinator, Josh McDaniels in 2011.
That should have been the first sign to at the very least explore alternatives in 2012 offseason, in terms of a viable veteran or an intriguing rookie, just in case.
No QBs were drafted, and Clemens was still the No. 2 as the holdover from ’11. That’s despite the fact new coach Jeff Fisher was breaking in a third offense in three years for Bradford, with current coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. Bradford was so-so with Schottenheimer in 2012, but again, it was just Bradford and Clemens going into 2013.
Sam Bradford (AP Photo)Then think about what the Seahawks, 49ers and Cardinals have done in the past three years.
In ’11, even with Alex Smith turning into a pretty good starter, the Niners stashed Colin Kaepernick with a second-round pick. Even when the Seahawks spent on former Packers backup Matt Flynn with intention of him being their new No. 1 in ’12, they still used a third-round pick on Russell Wilson. The Cardinals, who had the worst QB play in the league two years ago, went 10-6 just by adding a passable Carson Palmer in ’13.
All those teams haven’t held back from that mentality of always evaluating quarterbacks this year, either. The Niners were right to cheaply kick the tires on Blaine Gabbert to see if something was still there. The Seahawks think they can help Terrelle Pryor do something better in their offense. The Cardinals think they might have Palmer’s successor as a longer-term QB in rookie Logan Thomas.
In a passing league where so much is dependent on the quarterback, teams can’t afford to ever sit idle with their most important position. Changes and injuries happen to derail even those quarterbacks who looked like safe bets early, a la Bradford.
If one thinks the Rams were a bit trapped with Bradford because of the small fortune they had to pay him early, that would be true to only some degree early. But if they wanted, the rookie wage scale that kicked in a year after he was drafted made it more favorable and critical to not totally rule out a quarterback in the first round.
Last season, Bradford finally looked the part, but then missed nine games with the first torn ACL. At least they did a little something at quarterback this offseason, upgrading Clemens with HIll and using a sixth-round draft pick on developmental project Garrett Gilbert. Still, when you think what could or might have been if they hadn’t just gone all in on Bradford for three years running, it could have been a lot different story.
In retrospect, they had good reason to trade away the No. 2 overall pick in ’12 because of — wait for it — Fisher’s concerns with Robert Griffin III’s fragility. How about the fact that both Wilson and Nick Foles could have been had in the third round? More realistic, they could have just used a second-rounder on Brock Osweiler instead of Isaiah Pead, now a fourth-string running back who’s out for the season. The Broncos had just gotten this future Hall of Famer named Peyton Manning, but even they saw a reason that offseason with — wait for it — Maninng’s potential fragility — to get insurance that high in Osweiler.
In 2013, even in not the greatest QB class, Geno Smith at No. 30 or Mike Glennon at No. 71 would have been worth it given Bradford’s unsolid status. With a second chance at No. 2 overall this offseason, they had their clear shot at Blake Bortles, and passed for the safer Greg Robinson pick. Then they had shots again at either Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater, at No. 13, and passed.
Sure, they further fortified their ferocious front four with Aaron Donald there, but a pass rush even that good doesn’t mean too much when offset by major passing-game questions. They had plenty of those before even Bradford went down, because they’ve been overdue in providing alternate answers.
In the NFL, there’s a clear separation between the QB haves and the QB have-nots. If you are in their latter category, you just don’t have the luxury of banking on just one resolution, until you have that “have” guy for sure. “Have” should have never been the perception of Bradford — not yet.
The Seahawks and 49ers are easy haves; the Cardinals know they’re not quite there yet, but at least they got a makeshift. The Rams are stuck with neither, further buried among the have-nots.
The lack of putting options in place before Bradford went down — this year, the last, the year before that — is why the Rams don’t have any option but to miss the playoffs for a 10th consecutive season.
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How easy it is to sit there, and use hindsight to point out all the things they “could have” done, but didn’t. He glosses over the decision to pass on RGIII, as if they lucked out because he has been so frail. He doesn’t even address the huge haul they made, and how htey have been able to address MANY of the roster issues they inherited.
I wonder if this guy, predicted, AT THE TIME, how “passing” on a 3rd round, 5’10 baseball player turned QB was such a mistake.
I also, would like to ask him, even given all the moves Seattle, SF and Arizona have made to continually address the QB position, who is in the best shape to handle what the Rams are handling right now? If a season ending injury were to befall, Kaepernick, Wilson or Palmer, how do you think those teams would feel about having Gabbert, Pryor or Thomas to come in and save their season? I bet every one of them would rather have Shaun Hill.
This organization made their decision based on first hand knowledge of where Bradford was in his rehab. When teams start making decisions out of fear, they tend to panic, and make even bigger mistakes. I don’t care what team you are talking about. How does Green Bay feel about their situation if they lose Rodgers? New Orleans? Denver? Detroit? Atlanta? Baltimore? Can anyone even name the backup to Eli?
Again, it’s so easy to write a piece after the fact. I wonder what that article would have looked like had Bradford stayed on the field, and lead this team to the Playoffs? Or what will look like if Shaun Hill proves to be the guy they brought him here to be and this team somehow takes them where they haven’t been since 2004?
—————————————Laram
…It is not about drafting a replacement. Nobody that I have seen was advocating Fisher do that.
Its about drafting Bradford’s “successor” a young qb with potential that could be developed.
A young qb that could step in for a number of reasons. Salary dispute on Bradford’s next contract, injury, poor play, etc.
There are a plethora of reasons why you might want to have Bradford’s successor developing in the wings.
Bradford’s career has been marred with injury and inconsistent play.
If you’ve paid attention this is a flaw with Jeff Fisher. One that I have pointed out many times.
He has fielded teams with some pretty bad starting qb’s, and had no viable options in the wings.
Look around, the smart franchises have contingency plans.
Loyalty is fine, but you have 53 players to consider….not one!!
=====================================August 27, 2014 at 7:31 am in reply to: Strauss: Bradford's injury is a turning point for franchise #5304wvParticipantI enjoyed that one.
w
vwvParticipantMort likened Shaun Hill
to Billy Kilmer or Joe Kapp. Said it
might be ugly at times, but he gets it done.Dilfer, who played with Hill, called him
“a football playin dude.”Let us hope,
the Dude
abides.w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
Hram wrote:
I think it is possible there will be 4-5 QBs worth taking in the 1st round next year. They won’t all go in the top 15.Sad thing is — they will all be damn-rookies.
I dont want the Rams to have to ‘start over’
with a damn-rookie.I’m secretly kinda sorta hoping
Hill and Bradford or
Bradford and Hill will get the job done.I dont want a Rookie running the offense. Sigh.
w
vI can imagine this scenario, though I am just speculate-atizing.
Bring in the rookie, who’s the #2, and start Hill. Bradford is the #3 and then after a bit you assess. Or Bradford is on the PUP, Gilbert or Davis is the #3, you then have a chance to bring SB back and you assess THEN. The “assess” can go a lot of ways, from start Bradford to keep Bradford the #3 or he stays on IR etc. (lots of things could happen) and then see how things look after the season.
…
I think thats the best approach. I think.
w
vwvParticipantI think it is possible there will be 4-5 QBs worth taking in the 1st round next year. They won’t all go in the top 15.
Sad thing is — they will all be damn-rookies.
I dont want the Rams to have to ‘start over’
with a damn-rookie.I’m secretly kinda sorta hoping
Hill and Bradford or
Bradford and Hill will get the job done.I dont want a Rookie running the offense. Sigh.
w
vwvParticipantZooey wrote:
Humans have such a hard time adjusting to new paradigms
I’ve never seen the word “paradigm” in a post about the NFL, showers, and sexuality before.
Oh well, I suppose I’ll get used to it.
Shouldnt we ban him, or suspend him,
or take away his shower privileges or
somethin ?w
vwvParticipantRobert Quinn is better ?
w
vwvParticipantWell if Sam doesn’t ever take showers,
i think it could be an issue.w
vwvParticipantWell if the Rams finish close to .500,
I assume they will be picking in the
12 to 22 range.Is Hundley going to go in that range,
or would it require trading a ton
of picks to get him?Andrew Luck is an elite player, Grits.
He may be the best player in the NFL.
Hundley would have to be amazing
to be in the same tier Luck is in.w
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wvParticipant============================
LaramHill will have camp-arm by midseason
——Hill has thrown 16 passes in 3 years, rest can either work for you or against you.
I’m betting it works against him because his muscles have likely atrophied.
If the Rams stand pat with Hill and Davis, it will be a grave mistake.
=========================wvParticipantI dont agree with this, but its one man’s view
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Rams losing Sam Bradford and going with Shaun Hill isn’t significant. Here’s why.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/25/rams-losing-sam-bradford-and-going-with-shaun-hill-isnt-significant-heres-why/- This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by wv.
wvParticipantWell, even though Sanchez looks reborn under Chip Kelly, I still wouldn’t do anything.
I’m still enamored with Hill now and Brett Hundley next season… Rams are ready to roll.
Well, you sound like you have
feathers to me.w
vwvParticipantPerhaps I’m being a bit melodramatic…
I mean, I do live in CT, and there’s lots of fun stuff to do in the fall, besides football.
We have leaf-peeping, we have raking of leaves, we have burning of leaves, we have stuffing of leaves into old garments to make scarecrows.
All told, who’s got it better than us, anyways? Hunh? Who?
Interesting.
We leave leaves alone
in West Virginia.They fall off the trees
and then we leave them alone.
We dont peep them,
or rake them or burn them or stuff them.
We just leave them alone,
and they go away.Lets hope no more Ram QBs
fall like leaves.Alrighty then.
w
vAugust 25, 2014 at 10:52 am in reply to: for those who are arguing Rams shoulda drafted a qb high #5029wvParticipantPerfectly reasonable viewpoint.
As youve said the qualifier is
if an Andrew Luck is sitting there.
You never pass on a guy like that.Btw, its obvious to me
the Universe
wants Fisher to have another
.500 year.
That’s whats goin on here.w
vwvParticipantwvParticipantI don’t foresee them cutting SB next year.
He knows the system, he’s got great talent,
he’ll beat out any young QB they draft.So, i imagine they’ll be patient with him,
and not ‘count’ on him, and bring back
Hill if he does well, and they’ll draft
a QB in the first or second round,
and they’ll sort it all out.Its tricky though. Balancing the money/cap-hit
versus the starting-over-with-a-Rookie thing.w
vwvParticipantThe MRI-machine
was not kind.Maybe they should
replace it.w
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wvParticipantI could have tried to be fairer to Long because I had never thought he was going to be ready for the regular season. I do believe he was put in a bad spot. My gut says the Rams think they’ve still got this franchise/Pro Bowl tackle when not only 2013, but 2012 even, should have told them different. It’s always felt to me like Long was being rushed back, which seems completely unnecessary when you have Saffold and you spent the #2 pick overall at tackle. I’ve been leery at times with those options, too, but Saffold or Robinson has to be preferable to a guy coming off a knee injury and who’s barely played.
The ease of Bradford’s re-injury makes you wonder if he came back too soon, doesn’t it? Everybody can’t be Adrian Peterson.
–Mike
Good to see you on
our quirky little board,
Mike.Could be Long and Sam came
back early, but these are such
difficult judgement calls to make.
No-one can tell the future.
Jake and Sam looked ready to go
in practice.
Ah well.w
vwvParticipantExcept for that play where our franchise QB got taken out for the season…
I remember Laram saying Bradford and Jake Long
would have problems after their knee surgeries.Both of em combined on that play
to have ‘problems.’ Ah well.w
vwvParticipantThey are not gonna cut him.
Not happnin.And i am pretty sure
he’ll be ready to compete again
next year. Who knows,
maybe he plays all sixteen games
next year and leads them to a ring.
Comeback player of the year.
Who knows.They’ll draft a QB though,
thats for sure. Maybe more
than one. Probably look
at some Vets too.Can you imagine how Bradford
must feel right now?w
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wvParticipantDid you see the game? I think you knew we had it posted.
That’s Hill.
He is, as you see him in that video.
I forget how long he plays. Maybe later I will check the beginning and ending times for his stint.Haven’t seen it. Was gonna watch it,
but I dont think I wanna, now.
I’m too forlorn.I shall sit with my
forlorn-ness, and
feel it fully,
until
it dissipates.w
vwvParticipantAn 85 rating this year, might still
get the Rams nine or ten wins.Its not out of the question.
Depends on the defense.
I’m not sanguine.
Yeah, i’m not sanguine,
but I am glad it’s Hill
and not Clemons.Lets hope Jake Long
doesn’t get him kilt.w
vwvParticipantAugust 24, 2014 at 3:11 pm in reply to: according to Schefter there is concern about Bradford's knee #4790wvParticipant.hyper-extended knee and that there could be ACL damage and more surgery. Fisher news conference at 5:30 p.m.
This is NOT
what i wanted to read,
today.
sighw
vwvParticipantWell frankly I’m relieved.
I thought he was Done
for the year.Now, can we just forfeit
the damn fourth preseason
game.w
vwvParticipantWell, without commenting on past-history
and what it was and what it meant, etc,
It sure looks like EVERY team is gonna
go downfield more with these new rules
limiting the Defensive-Backs.I mean a coach would have to be nutz
not to air it out NOW.I’m expecting a great air-show in game One…
from ‘every’ team.w
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