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  • #5659
    PA Ram
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    I’m scared.

    This game scares me.

    The Vikes offense is loaded. Peterson, Patterson, Jennings—run by offensive guru Norv Turner.

    The Rams have some injury questions. Is Lauranitis really healthy? The guy didn’t play a snap of preseason, did he? What about Langford and Brockers? If those guys aren’t right Peterson will set a record. Johnson out. Joyner looks vulnerable. The Vikes, to me, look like a team that is going to put up points in this game.

    So the Rams will have to match them. This is not going to be an easy win. The Rams need a lot of production from their running game. Somehow they need to control time of possession and limit the Vikes opportunities.

    I won’t be shocked at all if the Rams drop the first game. I’m not really sure how well Hill is prepared. He had limited snaps in pre-season.

    We’ll see.

    But this game–I don’t like it.

    Somebody make me feel optimistic. Tell me something good.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #5662
    zn
    Moderator

    Vikes were 31st on defense last year and have a new DC – George Edwards, though Zimmer (first time head coach) is a defensive guy and has done well in the league.

    This summer, they were 10th on defense (just in the preseason of course). (Rams were 13th).

    No real point. Just adding info.

    #5663
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    The Rams *should* win this game. They are better than the Vikes at every position except RB and maybe WR.

    And they are at home.

    But yeah, this game worries me too.

    #5669
    Dak
    Participant

    The Rams will turn on their pass rush in this game and help offset the speed of that WR corps. I am worried about Peterson, too, due to the injuries in the center of this defense. We will also miss Tru at CB. I do expect the Vikes to put up some numbers. On offense, the Rams will do well to try to control the clock. Yes, they’ll run some, but I think what makes me like Hill better than Clemens is that he’ll be able to burn defenses a little deeper. He looked efficient with the 1s when given the opportunity in preseason, and I expect some big plays out of the Rams’ receivers. Quick has to show up, for sure. I really feel like if Hill gets protection (I’m looking at you, Long), he’ll make some hay in the intermediate passing game.

    I do expect a close game. Should be a nail biter.

    #5674
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    Fewer penalties, fewer turnovers.

    Pick apart the vikes secondary. Britt and Quick should have good days.

    Cassel is the weak link. Patterson and Jennings could hurt us, but they depend on Cassel, and he’s the weak link.

    Stop Peterson. Their whole offense revolves around him.

    #5678
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Don’t sleep on the the Vike’s TE’s a bigger part of their game now with Norv Turner. As Snow has mentioned all indications are they are looking past us to the Pats. They think the only chance Rams had went down with Bradford. I see the Rams making Bridgewater the starter in the 1st quarter. Our DL is going to unleash on them

    #6033
    zn
    Moderator

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/setting-up-the-vikes-game/

    ADRIAN PETERSON:

    “What I do remember about that game is that it’s first time in eight years, I’ve ever talked off to players,” Peterson said in a conference call with St. Louis reporters on Wednesday. “Those guys had me so hot; like, I haven’t ever been that mad playing football. Those guys were just running to the ball — I love it, too — but (they) were just yapping at the mouth. I’m talking about from the defensive front to the second level to the secondary. Those guys were just yapping”

    I don;t like that aspect of the Rams. The big yappers thing.

    #6035
    PA Ram
    Participant

    That’s just great.

    AP with a chip on his shoulder. I want to see a happy, quiet, bored and disinterested AP on Sunday.

    Oh and I’m sorry but this whole “Sack City” thing? Hate it. It sounds like an ABC dramady about bag boys in a local supermarket. Ugh.

    At least the Jets have “Sons of Anarchy” which is of course an FX show about a biker gang.

    And since that show is taken–what about “Shark Tank”? That sounds intimidating. Or maybe “The Strain”. The “Under the Dome” defense. Okay–that last one fits but it is kinda dumb.

    But who do you think AP would rather face? “Sons of Anarchy” or “Sack City”?

    Something needs to be done about this immediately. Forget gameplans–get a better name.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #6036
    wv
    Participant

    That’s just great.

    AP with a chip on his shoulder. I want to see a happy, quiet, bored and disinterested AP on Sunday.

    Oh and I’m sorry but this whole “Sack City” thing? Hate it. It sounds like an ABC dramady about bag boys in a local supermarket. Ugh.

    At least the Jets have “Sons of Anarchy” which is of course an FX show about a biker gang.

    And since that show is taken–what about “Shark Tank”? That sounds intimidating. Or maybe “The Strain”. The “Under the Dome” defense. Okay–that last one fits but it is kinda dumb.

    But who do you think AP would rather face? “Sons of Anarchy” or “Sack City”?

    Something needs to be done about this immediately. Forget gameplans–get a better name.

    Name for the Rams Defense?
    …the scariest show on tv
    is… “The Walking Dead.”

    What about ‘that’ for a name ?

    Maybe not.

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    #6040
    PA Ram
    Participant

    No, “The Walking Dead” defense will generate no sacks and allow 700 yards a game. But they will bite.

    A better AMC channel name for them would be “Mad Men” or maybe “Hell on Wheels”(although they’d have to play on roller skates for that to make any sense–not good).

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #6096
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    One known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any
    starting QB in the NFL.

    #6106
    zn
    Moderator

    Wagoner: Kalil is in for one of the most difficult challenges he’ll face in this league. Quinn had 19 sacks and seven forced fumbles last year, but there are those at Rams Park who believe he’s only scratched the surface of his potential. Quinn has freakish athleticism, which allows him to bend and contort his body in ways most tackles never see while maintaining his speed. He is able to win around the edge more often than not, but he’s also developed better hand usage and counters over the past couple of years under the guidance of defensive line coach Mike Waufle.

    Kalil v. Quinn.

    That will be worth a glance or 2.

    #6112
    wv
    Participant

    Kalil v. Quinn.

    That will be worth a glance or 2.

    #6113
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    my only hope is that time has caught up to adrian peterson.

    he’s sitting at 2000 carries right now. right about the time nfl running backs start breaking down.

    he’s 29 years old which is old for a running back. if he’s lucky, he’s got one solid season left in him. but i’m not sure we gotta worry about a 200 yard game from him.

    i hope.

    #6115
    Zooey
    Moderator

    We will rally around Adrian Peterson, and crush him into the ground.

    #6143
    zn
    Moderator

    One known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any
    starting QB in the NFL.

    This is getting into the minutia, but I wouldn’t call Hill’s arm strength questionable. I suppose it depends on what you mean. Clearly Bradford has a great arm plus a pretty quick release and could accurately throw both 20 yard lasers and low trajectory long balls with accuracy. That’s not Hill. Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.

    Still Hill has more arm strength than others we’ve seen, like Clemens, Feeley, and Jamie Martin.

    And as you say, more than Cassel.

    Actually I wonder if Hill’s arm is about the same as Brady’s. One or 2 tiers down from the likes of Bradford.

    #6149
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    1. a Win
    2. Tavon Austin with some big plays
    3. Shaun Hill with an efficient game and a good day passing the ball.
    4. Productive running game.
    5. Good run defense
    6. Great Pass rush from Quinn and Company.
    7. Defense get some turn overs.
    8. Brian Quick have some big plays.
    9. Kenny Britt have a productive day with some big plays.
    10. etc., etc., etc.

    Grits

    #6152
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I want to see crisp play–to know that this team is healthy and prepared.

    I want to see a team that makes sure tackles, that is disciplined and smart, a team that doesn’t kill themselves with dumb penalties in key situations.

    I want the line to be able to move people for Stacy and Cunningham, for the playmakers to make plays.

    If that happens they WILL win.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #6153
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Eternal Ramnation wrote:
    One known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any starting QB in the NFL.

    This is getting into the minutia, but I wouldn’t call Hill’s arm strength questionable. I suppose it depends on what you mean. Clearly Bradford has a great arm plus a pretty quick release and could accurately throw both 20 yard lasers and low trajectory long balls with accuracy. That’s not Hill. Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.

    Still Hill has more arm strength than others we’ve seen, like Clemens, Feeley, and Jamie Martin.

    And as you say, more than Cassel.

    Actually I wonder if Hill’s arm is about the same as Brady’s. One or 2 tiers down from the likes of Bradford.

    Yes I agree completely . I have seen and heard people describe his arm strength as questionable but in looking at what video I can find on him I find no evidence of arm strength being deficient. The velocity is slower which affects accuracy more as distance increases but Hill’s timing and quick decision making may be better than Bradford’s out of necessity . Bradford can wait till the last second and still get the ball there, where Hill needs more time so must decide where and when to throw earlier

    #6155
    wv
    Participant

    Fewer penalties, fewer turnovers.

    Pick apart the vikes secondary. Britt and Quick should have good days.

    Cassel is the weak link. Patterson and Jennings could hurt us, but they depend on Cassel, and he’s the weak link.

    Stop Peterson. Their whole offense revolves around him.

    Cassel is an interesting player. He had
    one really good year and the rest have
    been just ‘decent’.

    I love it when the Rams play
    a team with a non-mobile-QB.

    Cassel is an ok QB, but if they cant beat the
    Vikes at home…well…
    ————

    TD–INT 93-66
    Passing yards 15,302
    Passer rating 80.5

    Pro Bowl (2010)
    AFC Champion (2007)
    VIZIO Top Value Performer (2008)
    2× AFC Offensive Player of the Week (2008)
    Back to back 400-yard games (2008)
    USA Today All-Joe team (2008)
    AFC Offensive Player of the Month (November 2010)
    FedEx Air Player of the Week (Week 15–2013)
    ————–
    played college football for the University of Southern California (USC),
    and was drafted by the New England Patriots in the seventh round of the 2005 NFL Draft.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cassel
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    #6158
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    No penalties. Ha Ha! Just kidding. Try to keep it under 10.

    No turnovers.

    Slow down AP.

    Tight press coverage. None of this bullshit 10 yards off the receiver when it’s 3rd and 5.

    Just win.

    #6159
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I want to win the line of scrimmage.

    Agamemnon

    #6160
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.

    Not to start a board war (ha!), but I think this is a strength Hill has over Bradford. I’m thrilled to think Hill will get rid of the ball faster. I always feel a sense of dread when Bradford hangs in the pocket and looks indecisive. He’s not an improviser.

    Hill should be able to find open receivers. Seriously. The Vikes secondary is bad. It may be better than last year, but that is a very low bar.

    #6161
    zn
    Moderator

    1. a Win
    2. Tavon Austin with some big plays
    3. Shaun Hill with an efficient game and a good day passing the ball.
    4. Productive running game.
    5. Good run defense
    6. Great Pass rush from Quinn and Company.
    7. Defense get some turn overs.
    8. Brian Quick have some big plays.
    9. Kenny Britt have a productive day with some big plays.
    10. etc., etc., etc.

    Grits

    Pretty good list.

    I would take 5 out of 10 as long as #1 (a win) occurs.

    One thing, I will be watching for how long it takes the OL to cohere. If Fisher has one big flaw, IMO, he overestimates some players. I think he thinks that with Boudreau, and with a line full of vets (Barksdale is the youngest), they can just manufacture it coming out the gate. I don’t know about that, but, they WILL cohere sooner or later. Boudreau has done okay with far worse than what he has now. So I will be keeping an eye out for that.

    #6162
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    Cassel is an ok QB, but if they cant beat the
    Vikes at home…well…
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    v

    The Vikes didn’t win a road game last year. Let’s hope that streak continues.

    #6163
    wv
    Participant

    I wanna see ram defenders
    launch themselves into Joe Kapp’s
    groin,
    when he tries to hurdle them
    on third and long.

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    v

    #6164
    wv
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
    Cassel is an ok QB, but if they cant beat the
    Vikes at home…well…
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    w
    v

    The Vikes didn’t win a road game last year. Let’s hope that streak continues.

    Damn. I did not know that.

    Now, I’m worried.

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    v

    #6165
    zn
    Moderator

    zn wrote:
    Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.

    Not to start a board war (ha!), but I think this is a strength Hill has over Bradford. I’m thrilled to think Hill will get rid of the ball faster. I always feel a sense of dread when Bradford hangs in the pocket and looks indecisive. He’s not an improviser.

    Hill should be able to find open receivers. Seriously. The Vikes secondary is bad. It may be better than last year, but that is a very low bar.

    Okay so you wanted a board war, and here it comes.

    x

    Remember, you wanted this.

    I would say that if Bradford could learn anything from watching Hill, it’s precisely that–rapid decision making. You’re right, he’s no improviser. Though he can turn it up a notch in crunch-time circumstances, which is why he was so good inside the redzone. Doesn’t make him an improviser…I suspect they practiced redzone a lot.

    In terms of seeing more and acting more quickly on it? I think he was learning that, actually. If the pre-season is any indication.

    #6183
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    I would say that if Bradford could learn anything from watching Hill, it’s precisely that–rapid decision making. You’re right, he’s no improviser. Though he can turn it up a notch in crunch-time circumstances, which is why he was so good inside the redzone. Doesn’t make him an improviser…I suspect they practiced redzone a lot.

    In terms of seeing more and acting more quickly on it? I think he was learning that, actually. If the pre-season is any indication.

    I agree. Bradford did look sharp in preseason. Very sharp, imo. Makes the injury that much tougher to take.

    I’m excited to see what Hill does. I saw him play a lot (on TV) when he was in Detroit. He can scramble too.

    #6192
    rfl
    Participant

    This game is a battle between 2 teams, each stuck for years in mediocrity, each looking to break out into competitiveness in tough divisions. Each team–or at least its fans–looks at this as a “winnable” game, a chance to start the season off well. Whichever team loses will feel it has taken a serious hit to its season’s aspirations.

    I dunno.

    We have a settled HC, but a new DC. Our best offensive player is hurt. We have a pretty good running game and potential quality in passing. We have a great DL, good LBs and a questionable secondary.

    They have a new HC, a very limited QB, and a Hall-quality RB with a seasoned OL. They have a pretty good defense.

    They can attack us in our weakness–run D. We can harass a limited QB, but they have some passing game studs. (Do we? Really?)

    I just think it’s hard to pick because both teams are in flux and not clearly defined.

    Given A Petersen, I feel it is pretty hard to be confident that we are really ready to start this season well. I figure we’ll probably lose this.

    ‘Course, I’m an eternal pessimist.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

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