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wvParticipantexcellent little article
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wvParticipantThanks for plowing through the legalese.
So, basically, you are saying that by living in NE, and force fed all- things-Patriots, I happen to live in an area overpopulated by lunatics and/or lowlife scum?
I had a dream once.
It was after i watched an entire season
of The Walking Dead on dvd, in one evening.
I went to bed, and dreamed that I was in Boston
for some reason…and everyone was a Zombie…
and they were all wearing PATS uniforms.Scary stuff.
I had to skewer them in their tiny brains,
with a sharp Ram horn.Do’in the Lord’s Work.
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vJanuary 9, 2015 at 7:07 pm in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16020
wvParticipantUh no. Rams fans didn’t like Schotty, this guy is worse imo. The niners offense bailed at the end of the season. He does fit fishers plodding offense though sigh.
Well if nuthin else, maybe they can pick his evil 49er-brain.
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vJanuary 9, 2015 at 6:57 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16017
wvParticipantok. it won’t be that painful. but really. i’d rather this just be over with. if they’re going. just go. if they’re staying. just stay. i hate that this is getting drawn out. i’d rather just be able to watch the rams and not have to discuss this anymore.
but yeah. it is just football.
Well in a Just World,
every city would have a pro football team.
I think that principle is in the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Or the Port Huron Statement. The original Statement.
Not the compromised
final draft, though.w
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wvParticipantThe only upset I see happening is the Ravens (OK, that’s the one I’m HOPING for…).
I wish the Panthers had a chance, but you know, I don’t like them much either.
I really want to see the Cowboys get their asses kicked.
Don’t care one way or the other about the Denver game.
Well, it would be nice to see Dallas
lose the game because of a blown call.
I would enjoy their misfortune, immensely.January 9, 2015 at 6:18 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16008
wvParticipantthis next year is going to be very painful. either way. i wonder how ugly it gets.
Well…it is just football,
ya know. Its not like Nam.
Or bowling.And despite all the hoopla
I’d guess 90 percent of all fans
dont actually go to the games in person.
They just watch their TVs.w
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wvParticipantLOL, while you guys are engaged in scintillating conversations regarding the Rams move/non-move, there’s a whole ‘nother football world taking place out there…
Well all States have competency requirements
for Jurors. In other words you cant be
batshit-crazy and serve on a Jury.
Ipso Facto, saying “Go Pats” is a
sign of mental illness or possibly even
moral turpitude.w
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wvParticipantI got a feeling Carolina
is gonna win.
They have a weird, unpredictable team.
Cam is a weird unpredictable QB.
I think Seattle will take’em for granted
and Carolina will be loose but focussed
and unintimidated.Carol – 21
Seattle – 20w
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wvParticipantThe lack of luxury box revenue was the most intractable complaint Bidwill had with Busch II.
revenue sharing is an inter esting subject
http://quizlet.com/5266226/revenue-sharing-and-competitive-balance-flash-cards/
==============I didnt realize the NBA was worse even than MLB
as far as competitive balance and parity…http://misixanalytics.blogspot.com/2011/08/revenue-sharing-in-sports-analysis-of.html
With regard to the new CBA in the NFL, the owners will continue to share 70-80 percent of revenues from media deals, national sponsorships and merchandise sales, which amounts to the majority of the overall revenues because the NFL’s national TV deals are worth billions of dollars. For local revenues, 60 percent of ticket sales go to the home team and the remaining 40 percent goes to the revenue pool. In the new deal, a 10 percent local revenue tax on organizations considered to be large market teams has been added. The NFL has yet to sort out how they will determine whether or not a team is considered large market. The addition of the tax was a response to the increasing gap in retained team revenues (i.e. those not added to the revenue pool such as luxury box sales).
Because the main goal of revenue-sharing is to promote competitive balance, it’s important to be able to quantify it. One way to compare and measure competitive balance is looking across seasons within a league. In this context, competitive balance suggests that each team has an equal opportunity to win a reasonable number of games any given season. A way to quantify this measure is referred to as team-specific variation, or turnover ratio. It considers the change in relative positions of the teams in the standings each year by measuring the variation in win percentages (note: the statistic adjusts for the amount of games played in each league). For comparisons sake, the smaller the ratio, the more competitively balanced the league. The following chart illustrates the changes over time of this ratio for the three leagues and provides the concurrent revenue trends. The vertical axis on the left demonstrates the trend in the revenues by league over time, and the one on the right documents the competitive balance ratio.
From the chart, the NFL appears to be the most competitively balanced. MLB isn’t all that far behind, and the NBA is clearly the worst across seasons. The revenue pattern mirrors that of the competitive balance ratio: NFL highest, MLB next and NBA lowest. While the issue of cause and effect between revenue-sharing and competitive balance has been widely debated, it is hard to deny that some sort of relationship seems to exist. Empirical evidence by distinguished sports economist John Vrooman of Vanderbilt University supports this notion. Here’s a link to one of Vrooman’s studies conducted on the topic.
In all, the competitive balance ratios of the three major sports leagues seem to reflect the revenue-sharing structures of each league respectively. The NBA is noted as having the league with the lowest level of competitive balance across seasons. This can be partially attributed to a failure to share the bulk of total revenues in the form of ticket gate receipts and local broadcast deals. For example, the Los Angeles Lakers get to keep most of their $1.9 million in ticket sales, as well as 100 percent of the $3 billion local TV deal that they signed with Time Warner Cable. Further, the MLB is shown to be a close second to the NFL with regard to competitive balance, which can be characterized by a slightly lower percentage of shared revenues, a lenient luxury tax and a relatively lower salary floor. Lastly, with the highest amount of shared revenue, most significant payroll floor and the strictest salary cap, the NFL’s revenue-sharing structure is likely the cause of its competitive balance. In the end, the amount of revenues shared and brought in by each league would support the notion that more competitive balance translates into greater financial success.
* All revenue data in this post was taken from rodneyfort.com.
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wvParticipantOld article but still kinda interesting, i thot.
Mainly cause i understood it :
http://proplayerinsiders.com/nfl-player-team-news-features/nfl-team-parity-and-revenue-sharing/w
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January 9, 2015 at 3:05 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #15967
wvParticipantAs for the leverage angle, certainly it’s possible…but it would be the weakest of plays to get a few hundred million in value for the Rams…when moving them will instantly TRIPLE the value –
But the Rules say,
an owner cant move just to make more money.
So…there’s that. In the ‘Rules’.
Fwiw.w
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wvParticipantI didnt express a problem with their ranking. That wasn’t my issue. They wrote it as if it were all a matter of poor play. It wasn’t. Not across the board. It was poor play caused by an injury situation. I don;t know why they can’t just openly account for that. Because this kind of issue is an old one for me, I just notice it whenever it crops up.
Ok, then we are basically in agreement. The Ranking isnt an issue,
but they dont go into accurate-details about the ‘why’
of the situation.Though to be fair, its not always easy to know exactly
what is going on with a player. Yes, Wells had the bad
elbow, but maybe he’s got lots of nagging problems
and maybe that is cause he’s just wearing down in general,
etc, and so forth.w
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wvParticipant==============
The money can be huge. While the number of suites varies — the new Yankee Stadium has 68 while Dallas Cowboys Stadium has 300 — any given suite can sell from $224,000 to more than $900,000 per year.Demand is high, even if the suite — or stadium — has yet to be built. The NFL’s San Francisco 49ers want to build a new facility, and even though the project is still being planned, the team says it’s already sold $138 million in luxury suites…
=================…itz not just ‘owners’ that can be socio-pathic.
“Systems” can be socio-pathic,
too. Just my o-pin-yun.Anyway, that is a shitload of money — a hundred thirty-eight million for “luxury suites.”
Dang.w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
I dont disagree with a word you say about the Rams OLine
but i still dont see what PFF can do except
rank them 31st. I mean, i suppose they could
go into more detail about each Oline and talk about WHY
they were good or bad…but…ya know…deadlines and all.w
vLook at the language. They act like they’re doing a pure line play assessment. No they’re not, they’re assessing a beat up line. So why not say, as I already suggested, something along the lines of naturally they were 31st they were beat up.
Otherwise they just contribute to the OL injury blindness.
Which frankly I think they share.
Well, I have no problem with them ranking the Oline 31st.
Lets just start there. Do you have a problem with them
RANKING the Oline 31st ?w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>
QUOTEIf it was not for Wilson’s ability to evade the pass rush the Seattle O line could possibly be ranked in the 30s. Mediocre is being generous.
Well, count me as a skeptic of the
“Seattle has a Mediocre OLine Theory”w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
Someone needs to write a book
about this whole move-to-StLouis/move-to-LA
thing.
Or at least an article in the Atlantic
or New Yorker or Field and Stream
or somethin.w
vMatt Taibbi.
LoL.
Lets email him. Or a tweet..
https://twitter.com/mtaibbiw
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wvParticipantBreakdown: Just horrible. The 210 combined sacks, hits and hurries they allowed were most in the league and they weren’t much better in the run game. The musical chairs that saw Mike Pouncey to guard and Ja’Waun James to left tackle had a detrimental effect and it was brutal to watch them. It’s a young group that needs to play better.
Breakdown: Yuck. Given the investments the team has made this was something of a stunner. Jake Long went down, after a strong start the play of Joseph Barksdale fell off a cliff and Davin Joseph played exactly as you’d expect him to (not well). Then there was Greg Robinson who looked lost as the line tried to find a role for him. Will he be better in 2015 now the team has committed to him at left tackle?
You know this disease is so rampant. What disease? The “just do not account for injuries on the OL” disease.
When you have injuries that extensive no OL plays well…ever. For years and years I asked for examples of OLs that did play well with injuries that extensive and I have never had an example that stood up. That’s with dozens to probably of hundreds of posters reading the challenge across that time. No one can name examples that stand up.
And look at PFF’s amateur tone and approach. It amounts to, yeah they were injured but they shoulda done better.
Um…they can’t.
In the Chiefs game, the Rams lost 3 players and it had an effect on 4 positions (5 really). Long went out, that moved Robinson. Saffold went out. Wells went out. Robinson moving brought in Joseph. At one point they had a line of Robinson Person Jones Joseph Barksdale. I have actually seen an analysis of that game that blamed Robinson Person Jones for not playing well. Well…what the hell. I don’t think any line in the NFL would play well if its left side consisted of a rookie LOT combined with 2 young depth guys who had never started before. The coherence isn’t going to be there, the timing isn’t going to be there, the communication isn’t going to be there, the translate practice reps to gametime speed isn’t going to be there. That’s like saying the people of Hiroshima shoulda done a better job standing up to just one american bomber.
As the season went on, that;s a rookie OT plus a banged up Wells and Saffold plus Joseph who was not supposed to start plus Barksdale, who starts slipping immediately as of the Chiefs game (why? because OLs are UNITS and if most of it is struggling and isn’t the same the one remaining healthy starter is going to slip too.)
Well…how many OLs have ever played well under those conditions? ESPECIALLY with the rookie LOT mixed in.
Here’s my thing.
If your line is battered up, just doing individual grades tells you NOTHING. When the coherence slips no one looks good.
So why in the heck don’t people just SAY that.
Grade, Rams OL, 2014. Once injuries set in and the Rams ended up playing a banged up Saffold and a rookie LOT, naturally, their performance suffered.
I have to say, this is an old issue for me. Starting in 2007, when the Rams OL fell completely the hell apart (far worse than anything since and they’ve been bad in the injury dept. since). And in 2007 when you pointed out OL injuries some people would go “well good qbs elevate their OLs.” Yeah, okay, that’s true when the OL is relatively HEALTHY, but when you go past a certain point with OL injuries, all teams suffer, and no freaking qb is going to elevator it. I don;t think anyone is deep enough to cover up to three OL injuries, especially if they include the LOT. If it’s both the LOT and the OC, they’re dead meat.
I just don’t get why some people don’t get that.
I dont disagree with a word you say about the Rams OLine
but i still dont see what PFF can do except
rank them 31st. I mean, i suppose they could
go into more detail about each Oline and talk about WHY
they were good or bad…but…ya know…deadlines and all.w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TackleDummy wrote:</div>
bnw wrote:
He’s been running behind a lousy O line.According to PFF Oline rankings the Rams Oline ranked 31st, near the bottom. The Seahawks Oline ranked 18th, near the middle.
In other words, PFF screwed up again.
The Rams OL was INJURED. It was playing injured with a rookie LOT.
So that’s not “the Rams OL.” That’s the Rams OL…*injured.*
I agree that the Seattle OL is mediocre. They do run a good game with Lynch and Wilson posing duel running threats. But Seattle is both 32nd in passing attempts AND 27th in sack percentage.
THAT is a bad combo. Last in attempts but very bad in sack percentage? That’s really not very good.
You are crazy 🙂
I do not believe you can win a Super Bowl with a ‘mediocre’ OLine.
Therefore, i dont think Seattle’s OLine is ‘mediocre’.
Its gotta be better than ‘that’. Damn the stats.Also, sure the Rams INJURED-Oline
was ranked 31st. Injuries cause
Olines to be “bad”. PFF still has
to rank them.w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>bnw wrote:</div>
Why can’t the NFL sue Kroenke for not abiding by its own rules? Why can’t NFL owners refuse to play against Kroenke’s team? Wouldn’t take much before Kroenke would have to cave since these projects are always financed on a shoestring and missing substantial revenue at the beginning is usually terminal.They can.
But they aren’t guaranteed a victory in that lawsuit.
But beyond that…why sue? What would the real motive of the lawsuit be? The NFL says it wants a team in LA, maybe two, and I think they are probably speaking the truth there. Not because an LA team will make the league appreciably richer. But because it’s LA. It’s a good place to have a team. 2nd biggest market; you want that community invested in the NFL. Great place for Super Bowls. It’s LA.
The problem has been that since the mid-80s, people have been trying to build a new stadium there, and 30 years later, there’s still no stadium. There are a couple of projects that are waiting at the stop light…but they aren’t advancing because those guys want to buy a team before they build a stadium. And nobody is selling a team. So…they sit there waiting.
Meanwhile Kroenke has a plan, has the financial backing, and will undoubtedly clear the legal hurdles to build his site. It’s a damn sexy-looking plan, and LA likes sexy. And, frankly, the NFL likes sexy.
So their gonna sue Kroenke to stop him because….they don’t like him personally? Or the way he entered business without kissing their rings first? Yeah, that’s an emotional reaction, and billionaires get over their emotions when they study the balance sheets. The only reason to oppose him is because an owner wants LA himself. But that just isn’t going to be enough to stop him.
I think Mackeyser is right. If it comes down to litigation or relocation fees, the NFL will take the fees.
Someone needs to write a book
about this whole move-to-StLouis/move-to-LA
thing.
Or at least an article in the Atlantic
or New Yorker or Field and Stream
or somethin.w
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wvParticipantTony Dungy?
I would not have thought he was HOF
material.I hope Coryell gets in. Nobody added more
excitement to the modern NFL than Coryell.w
vJanuary 8, 2015 at 8:16 pm in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Marc Ganis & Balzer – 1-08-15 – Podcast – STL football #15897
wvParticipantI think the Ganis audio belongs
in the LA thread, probly.
I dunno. Who am i to say.w
vJanuary 8, 2015 at 7:41 pm in reply to: CBS Sports 920AM – Marc Ganis & Balzer – 1-08-15 – Podcast – STL football #15895
wvParticipantGanis has an inter-esting perspective.
Knowledgeable guy. Worth listening.In a nutshell Ganis believes IF
St.Louis “steps up” and “goes strong to the hoop”
and comes up with a great stadium plan,
the league wont let the Rams move.
“There wont even be a vote.”w
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wvParticipant“…ORE St. 62 OLT Gavin Andrews +++ against USC
ORG $$$$$$ 6-5 340 Jr. Huge with feet…”I am in favor of drafting
players with feet.w
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wvParticipantmy perception from Warner in recent seasons is that he feels more connected to the Cardinals than he does with the Rams.
Well, i think he’s flat-out said that.
Which is fine. But i was surprised he said it.
The brenda-gate stuff and the Martz stuff had
an effect on him i guess.w
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wvParticipantKurt said he’d be disappointed if the Rams moved;
it would put the St.Louis players in a kind of limbo.
He’d feel a bit like a player without a home:
“I’m always gonna be connected to the St.Louis Rams
and what does that mean if a team picks up and goes
somewhere else…ya kindof feel like a former player without a home…”Of course this is exactly how Youngblood
a lot of former Los Angeles Ram players
felt when Georgia took the team away
from LA. So, round and round it goes…w
vJanuary 8, 2015 at 4:52 pm in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #15880
wvParticipantwhat has continuity done for Bradford or the Rams? Bradford cannot stay on the field long enough to benefit from it.
Now his OC is gone. Oh well, too bad.Grits
Well its not just about Bradford, its all the players
on offense. They all would have to learn a new system.
Britt, Tavon, Stedman — you want them to be ‘thinking’ instead
of just ‘playing’ at the beginning the season?w
vJanuary 8, 2015 at 11:32 am in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #15853
wvParticipant@SandoESPN: Timing of #Rams’ OC opening and Kyle Shanahan’s mutual parting from Cleveland is convenient, but we shall see.
Interesting. Fisher is good friends with the Shanahans.
Does Kyle use the same system
that BS does?Itz always the same names that
get reshuffled. It annoys me
for some reason. I’d just as soon
Fisher hire from within.w
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wvParticipantThe Rose Bowl is an NFL approved venue. If the Rams moved to LA, they could play in the Rose Bowl for a few years…
How long have you been a Ram fan, Mack? I forget.
Do you prefer them in LA or St.Louis?
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wvParticipantWell we don’t have to speculate. We can look at what he said (later). And my point really is that the socio-pathic Kroenke is completely capable of telling Fisher no, we will not move AND hiring him precisely because he’s experienced with moves.
That’s my read on SK anyway. He is that single-minded and just jerks everyone around in relation to his single-mindedness.
And what is he single-minded about? Being in california? No. Maximizing value and winning entrepeneurial contests. It’s nothing more than that.
Hey if you dont Like
Billionaire-Sociopaths,
YOU can just start
following North Korean Badminton.Btw, if this LA/StLouis thing takes months
to unfold — this thread is gonna get awfully
Long.w
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wvParticipantI think one of the conditions of taking the job for Fisher was reassurance they wouldn’t move.
Well I’ve wondered about that. But
I’ve also wondered whether Fisher
was chosen because he has experience
with moves. Maybe he only promised
Fisher he’d move as a last resort
or he’d consult with Fisher about
move issues, etc and so forth.
Who knows.w
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