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wvParticipant
Shouldn’t Fisher have left Philly wondering
who would start?w
vwvParticipantWell, aint that inter esting.
w
vwvParticipantNow that
is just
awesome.w
vwvParticipantNot sure running Faulk more in the first half
was the answer. I’ve heard that idea before,
but i dunno. If I’m an opposing coach,
i ‘want‘ the GSOT to run the ball.If i remember right what was effective in the second half
was the short passing game. I think.
I’m like London —
i havent wanted to rewatch it.w
vwvParticipantSo, i guess the Eagles OLine has had some injuries?
w
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http://articles.philly.com/2014-09-29/sports/54442131_1_lesean-mccoy-nick-foles-coach-chip-kelly#DGFXfUs3kJUdgQTl.99
“…But it would help if Foles had more time to throw, and the condition of the Eagles’ offensive line – which for two weeks has been held together by masking tape, knitting thread, and Jason Peters – hasn’t allowed it.“We got whupped up front,” Kelly said.
The line was so overmatched Sunday that, with two chances to win the game from the 49ers’ 11/2-yard line, Kelly didn’t bother handing the ball to McCoy. The 49ers had settled back into zone coverage on second and goal from the 6, and Kelly tricked them by running McCoy to the left for 5 yards. But he didn’t dare do it again on third down or fourth down, so certain was he that, in their goal-line alignment, the 49ers would stuff either McCoy or Darren Sproles….
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….Kelly keeps chalking this all up to the instability of the offensive line, and perhaps McCoy’s play will improve next week against the St. Louis Rams, when tackle Lane Johnson returns from his suspension. Perhaps.”- This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.
September 30, 2014 at 9:31 am in reply to: The official "so what game(s) are you watching" thread #8719wvParticipantThe Patz lose their legendary OL coach (Dante Scarnecchia) and trade away Mankins, and suddenly Brady doesn;t look as good.
I wonder if there’s a connection.
…and they’ll still probly win
11 games.w
vSeptember 30, 2014 at 9:29 am in reply to: Tick bite sent Rams' Wells to intensive care unit in hospital/PD #8718wvParticipantWells could never survive in New England with all of our tick-borne diseases…Ehrlichiosis, Babesiosis, Anaplasmosis and of course, the grand daddy of them all…Lyme Disease. A disease which I and about half the people of Vermont proudly suffer with. You won’t hear us complain about it though. And we certainly won’t be checking ourselves into any hospitals like some overpaid human turnstile.
Since the beginning of time it has been known that the best insight into a man’s character can be gained through his reaction to a tick bite. So now I think we know all we need to know about the type of person this…this Wells person is.
Maybe if you had a Tick Hunting Season,
like we do in West, by God, Virginia,
you wouldnt have so many wild
crazed ticks running around
in New EngLand.w
vSeptember 28, 2014 at 7:54 pm in reply to: The official "so what game(s) are you watching" thread #8646wvParticipant49ers D shut down the Philly O,
it looks like.
McCoy 10 carries 17 yards.
Foles 195 yds, zero TDs, 2 INTs.Gore 119 yards, Kaepernik 58 yds rushing on 7 attempts,
and 2 TDs passing.SF 407 total yds
Philly 213 total yds.Turnovers: Philly 4, SF 1
26-21
w
v- This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.
wvParticipantI saw the beacon and in the sky! Ram Rock reporting to duty! That is all…
…later my friends!
How’s life,
ram-rock ?w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
I think
only sdram is crazy enough
to reply.w
vI’m having a bye week. Some weeks are that way – but good or bye – they beat the alternative.
Plus, it’s been 96 here the past three days – it was snowing 10 days ago. It’s making me think I could go snow boarding or water skiing but I can’t decide which I can do?
So, what’s your current thoughts on the Rams chances of breaking 500 this season?
Its a balmy, sunny 79 degrees, here.
The leaves are starting to turn
orange and red.
Autumn football season —
best time of year.I think the Rams are like Autumn.
It can be golden and dazzling.
Or, it can be barren and dreary.
Its a mystery.w
vwvParticipantI think
only sdram is crazy enough
to reply.w
vwvParticipantTorry sez AustinD has brought “emotion”
to the team thats “been missing from the QB position”.
http://www.rams-news.com/torry-holt-on-why-penalties-have-been-an-issue-under-coach-fisher-radio-interview/
Bout the 9 minute mark.w
vwvParticipantCosell said:
“Philly has not been able to run the ball.”Well. We’ll see.
w
vwvParticipantThere are plays that fans just never forget, if a close loss
is involved.
The bogus Tom Mack false start against the Purple Gang.
The Drew Pearson push-off against the Vikings in the playoffs.
The Brady fumble against the Raiders.
The 49er vs Seattle noncall in the endzone.
The botched call that went against the Packers in Seattle, etc, etc.The Sims ‘penalties‘
will not be forgotten
by Ram fans.Awful loss.
Still, they looked a gazillion times better
than last year when Dallas slapped them silly.
Dallas didnt have to cheat last year.w
vwvParticipantWell no matter how bad he looked in the Vikes game
that wouldnt prove what you think it would.
Cause all it would prove is that a young kid
got thrown into a game unprepared. To me, thats
all it would prove.Except I don’t agree with that. If pocket presence is an instinct, why wouldn’t he bail on plays and run around–which you frequently see with young qbs in their first starts.
So I don’t buy this whole “it’s all instinct” thing. Which is one reason why I think that as often as not, these discussions look at the wrong things. I don’t believe it;s just the qb.
To me the most important thing I list is confidence in the offense. When you see a qb has that, he tends to not press and take things as they come.
Though there’s also the fact that under the same conditions Hill did show poise and pocket presence. Which to me just means he could also do it under better conditions.
I promise you that watching, you will ask a lot of the same questions. You cannot predict the game 2 guy out of the game 1 guy. I mean, drastically can’t do it. You will not see any of the instincts you would predict. Not even a desperate, ineffective version of them. He has no sense where the rush is. None.
Well, i dint say anything about ‘instincts’.
I think of it more as a set of attributes, traits, talents.
Some of it is learned, some of it is instinct, some of it
is a mysterious mix of gifts from alien Lizard Overlords.I dunno.
w
vwvParticipantBut my challenge to everyone is still this: watch the 2nd half of the Vikes game again and see again how bad Davis was IN TERMS OF POCKET PRESENCE. Then, figure out why he improved dramatically in a week. Whatever it is, it won’t be him alone–it can’t be. Then apply those lessons to other qbs. If AD needed a lot to change to become a better pocket presence type, what does that tell us about the entire pocket presence issue.
Well no matter how bad he looked in the Vikes game
that wouldnt prove what you think it would.
Cause all it would prove is that a young kid
got thrown into a game unprepared. To me, thats
all it would prove.At any rate, the term you used “pocket presence” is not
the term i used. I didnt use the PP word on purpose.This whole notion of “pocket and nonpocket skills” (PNS)
is tricky and i dont know that i wont change my
mind about it ten times before dinner.
But at the moment i am just trying to think about
what kinds of Pocket and Nonpocket Skills exist.
And how a fan can go about observing, analyzing, thinking-about
‘them’.It seems to me that AD has shown at least ONE skill that Bradford
and Hill just dont have — the ability to:
1 Quickly sense a threatening Pass Rusher,
2 and then ESCAPE by rolling out or moving
3 and zipping an accurate pass to a receiver.I mean go back and look at a couple of
AD’s “escape and throw” plays in that
Cowboy game. I was nonplussed. I was
startled at how good those plays were.
They were Montana-like. I’ve been watching
Bradford a long time now, and while he is
very good at rolling out and throwing,
he is not very good at ad-libbing and
ESCAPING and then rolling out and throwing.I dunno what to call that ‘skill’ of AD’s
but its an important skill. I just call it
a “pocket skill” i guess. Call it what u want.w
vwvParticipantwvParticipant===================
zn: “…And no I do not think AD has superior pocket sense to Bradford or Hill. I think they are all about equal, and if anything Hill is somewhat better. I think what happened was, AD got put in a better position. Lots of things came together at the same time…”
===========================Well, i tend to disagree with all that. I’m not sure, but based on what little ive seen,
i think AD has a more advanced “SET-OF-Pocket-and-NONpocke-Skills” than Bradford.All the points you listed just relate to the ‘minimum requirements’ for showing
a quarterbacks ‘set of pocket and nonpocket skills’. Yes, you need
coaching and an OLIne and Weapons, and confidence and practice, etc.
But once you have that — the set-of-pocket-and-nonpocket-skills is going
to be on display. That set of skills is not “on or off” its more like a scale of one to ten.I think AD has more highly developed pocket and nonpocket skills/attributes
than Bradford. But, again, this is a tentative view. Its a small
sample of work from AD. But so far, I like what i see.At any rate, i like what they have at QB.
Bradford, AD, and an experienced vet in Hill.
Add another kid next year, and QB looks good.w
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wvParticipantThe team wasn’t ready to play so far. That’s easier to understand when you have a roster full of rookies, but we’re past that point. These second year players were playing well by the end of last year.
Some teams are always ready coming out of the gate…so far not this team. Sure they’ll turn it around…but why not use the pre-season to iron out some of them things that we spend the first 25 percent of the season ironing out.
Well, Bradford was out, of course. Had to affect
the timing on the offense.And the defense? I dunno. I assume itz
got somethin ta do with GW.w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
How do we describe Austin D’s ‘arm’ ?Has he got a popgun arm?
How does it compare with other QBs
in the NFL?How has his deep ball looked?
w
vYou know most of the things he lists? The pocket stuff for example. It was simply not true of the Vikes game. He took sacks, he seemed to have bad pocket sense, and so on.
He himself said the difference between week 1 and week 2 was simply being coached to stay in rhythm and get plays off. People want to make these into completely and entirely “you got it or you don’t” attributes of the qb, but a lot of it comes from a dynamic set up by the coach. So the Davis we are praising, for a lot of reasons, was not there in game 1. He himself says that coaching is a key difference between game 1 and the next 2 games.
I might add that from the bit I saw in the Vikes game, all 5 points apply directly to Hill as well. They are being coached to play like this.
Well, you always seem to dismiss any ‘pocket presense’
or ‘pocket attributes’ stuff.Do you not think some QBs have better
“pocket attributes” (for laack of a better term)
than others?I know one thing — the kid
felt pressure
and
extended the play
and
zipped an accurate strike to a receiver
three times in that Dallas game.
I dont think Bradford could
have done that.
Though, Bradford of course may
have done ‘other’ things
better than AD.w
vwvParticipantHow do we describe Austin D’s ‘arm’ ?
Has he got a popgun arm?
How does it compare with other QBs
in the NFL?How has his deep ball looked?
w
vwvParticipantCosell doesn’t appear to be too hard on the Rams D there. More like a perfect storm; a bunch of people at the wrong place at the wrong time at the wrong play having made the wrong move. I remember being nothing but infuriated.
Do you still have hope for this D
to be good and consistent
this year?w
vwvParticipantHe talks about the Romo to Dez play
at the end.w
vwvParticipantThanks. Interesting. Not a bad way to look at it.
–Mike“Interesing. Not a bad way to look at it.” ??
Trying to start a
Board-War, eh.w
vwvParticipantDallas game was a bitter loss.
Year 3 is supposed to mean superbowl
or bust.Well, i’m sure there are
bitter wins
on the horizon.w
vSeptember 25, 2014 at 4:00 pm in reply to: Rams coach Jeff Fisher says running back split will continue/Wagoner #8457wvParticipantI like the three back system,
as long as there are
three good backs.These guys aint exactly
Csonka, Kiick and Mercury Morris,
but they looked good against Dallas.w
vwvParticipantHerzog wrote:
What I like about Davis this year….very high pocket awareness. Also, he can read defenses and he knows this offense like the back of his hand. He knows what he’s doing out there.You know it;s interesting about pocket awareness. He had absolutely none when he came in cold in the Vikes game. In fact I thought most if all the sacks he took were on him. Then he’s better (though the Vikes have more of a defense than Dallas or Tampa). You know what HE attributes it to? Staying in rhythm. Dropping, planting, throwing. He said that all week after the Vikes game, the coaches stressed that — stay in rhythm. Yet we see it as this quality of the qb’s psyche. Meanwhile, on top of it, to drop and throw you have to trust your receivers. If you don’t you have to compensate somehow for it, for example by bailing on the pocket or holding the ball waiting for a play. It really is amazing how much we put on the qb that isn’t really the qb.
Well i dont know exactly what any of us means by ‘pocket awareness’
but i know that this kid has made three or four “escape and throw” plays
that were impressive. I love it. The ‘extend the play” thing.Its an attribute. A quality. I like it.
He also throws INT’s over the middle.
I hope that is not an attribute. I dont like it.w
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wvParticipantno joke, would love to see more of those from Mr. Dubya V
Well, i suppose i could ‘Replay’ the great
battle of 1998 between the Rams and Eagles.
Or perhaps one of Tony Banks
earlier masterpieces.w
vSeptember 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm in reply to: "Human intelligence may do more harm than good on an evolutionary scale" -Stephe #8345wvParticipantYep. Cavemen with nukes.
Michio Kaku:
Well, yeah, talking monkeys with technology.
A cosmic experiment.Its inter esting to me that Michio Kaku
didnt use the word ‘love’ once in his talk.
He used the word science a gazillion times.
Just thot that was interesting.w
vwvParticipantThe level of disparity is so blatant that it defies logical explanation.
Look at the pictures. The refs can’t say they didn’t see it when they are clearly watching the QB for “points of emphasis” like Personal Fouls and Unnecessary Roughness and Roughing The Passer.
It’s either GROSS negligence or WILLFUL negligence.
Either way, the NFL is in a sorry state.
And it’s not just the Rams.
Anyone see the Pats/Raider game? The Raiders should have taken that game to overtime, but the Raiders were given the game when on the final Raiders TD endzone drive, an OL got called for a holding that’s the farthest thing from holding. It was a textbook pancake block.
Here’s the problem. This isn’t like the replacement refs where they made mistakes and looked lost. These calls are specifically influencing the outcomes of games and it’s not even subtle anymore. This is overt. It’s like the league is panicking. “Oh God! We can’t let the Cowboys go 1-2 Not to the Rams! They’re down 21-0! Shit! Step in. You know what to do…”
And as stupid, lame and as far-fetched as that sounds, it explains things FAR better than any of the idiotic stammering, hemming and hawing and flop sweating the Refs have done in games where these calls have happened.
I half expect some NFL lackey to break loose with a memo at this point…
There is hubris in the NFL and where there is hubris, there is soon to be a fall from great heights…
Well, the Refs missed a call against the Rams that would have overturned the first Dallas turnover.
I thought the call against Simms for roughing was wrong, but i could see how a Ref might miss
that one, since it was close, and in real time that one might be hard to see.I dunno Mack, I thought the key to the game was
the Wells bonehead-play,
the McCleod? bonehead play on Dez,
the 4th and inches Failure
and AustinD’s panicky-INT, and
JJ’s Pass-Interference on Dez.Lots of great plays by the Rams,
but lots of bonehead ones, too.w
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