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March 30, 2015 at 11:04 am in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #21764
wvParticipantScherff and Collins are probably the two best road graders in this class. They remind me of Saffold, but slightly better at playing LT than he was.;
Well, i got no problem drafting one of them
at number 10, or 11, or 12, or wherever.
The Middle of the Line is as important to Foles
as the end of the line.w
vwvParticipantI had to edit it nonetheless. I said those are predictions when I meant those are not predictions.
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I knew you were going to edit it 🙂
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vwvParticipantBy Peter King
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/5/
You want to pick in the top nine. Here’s what a few football people at the league meetings are thinking about the breakdown of this draft: Nine prime picks…
Enh. Every hear the celebrity-pundits print that same article
(Only with a different number — this year, its 9 ) — and every
year, its wrong.There will be disappointments in that list of 9,
and there will be great players outside the top 20, etc.Seattle sure seems to know how to find
great players outside the top half of the 1st round.w
vThese are not predictions of the future. They are simply statements about how players rank in terms of draft order. He didn’t say there was no one outside the top picks, and he didn’t say all the top picks will make it. It’s just simply understood that as things stack up NOW, certain players rank as more worthy of being picked in the top 10 than others. So for example as much as we all like Isaac Bruce, there’s a reason why no one was ever going to take him at the top of the 1st round.
And btw even Seattle stumbles. They picked James Carpenter 25th in 2011, and he hasn’t lived up to expectations. They traded a first for Percy Harvin.
Come tell me all about Seattle when they find a Chris Massey in the 7th round.
Well, i knew you were going to say all that 🙂 You and i just see those kinds of articles
differently.Its Spring. Let a thousand post-modern-flowers bloom.
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vMarch 30, 2015 at 9:56 am in reply to: Linemen in the 2015 draft … including 2 good Cosell podcasts #21759wvParticipantFlexibility can be a huge asset — I mean we all understand how important it is
to have guys who can slide from G to Tackle.But, man, there’s also somethin to be said for drafting
an outstanding, road-grading, powerful, healthy, bull-elephant-GUARD.
A guy thats just good at Guard, and not Guard/Tackle.
A guy that can push the pile on 4th and goal, at the one yard line.w
vwvParticipantAtl would be stupid to pass on Dupree. I hope we draft him at 10th pick in all honestly. C. Long is a cap cut target next season. Draft Dupree focus on signing Fairley and Brockers to deals. W/ Quinn and Dupree as bookends
Lots of interior OL in rd 2-4I dunno. Is it really a sure thing to draft OLinemen
in rounds 2-4 ? I mean, what’s the bust/disappointment rate
for those rounds?I would not cut C.Long next year. I think he’s
a good leader and a good player, and I’d keep him
at least two more years.w
vwvParticipantBy Peter King
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/5/
You want to pick in the top nine. Here’s what a few football people at the league meetings are thinking about the breakdown of this draft: Nine prime picks…
Enh. Every hear the celebrity-pundits print that same article
(Only with a different number — this year, its 9 ) — and every
year, its wrong.There will be disappointments in that list of 9,
and there will be great players outside the top 20, etc.Seattle sure seems to know how to find
great players outside the top half of the 1st round.w
vwvParticipantI skimmed a book called “Snake Oil Science” a while back.
It kinda fits in this thread, i think.http://dannyreviews.com/h/Snake_Oil_Science.html
There’s scientific studies,
and there’s
scientific studies.w
vMarch 28, 2015 at 3:32 pm in reply to: Kroenke ready to show detailed stadium plans … plus other relocation things #21691wvParticipanti just remember how fisher kept telling thomas there was no way the rams were trading sam. flat out denied it. we all know what happened.
so do i think the league can pull the rug out from under st. louis while saying in public that they will not abandon them? absolutely.
They absolutely can.
Remember that as this story unfolds, and we encounter twists and turns that change what the landscape looks like from one week to the next, the one thing never to lose sight of is the fact that this is a business.
And in the end, the NFL is going to make the decision they think is best for the business.
Not for any one city. Not for any one owner. But for the business as a whole.
Well there are a gazillion aspects to this,
as you know, but one thing that always gets triggered
in my mind, when I’m reading or listening to guys like
Bernie or JT iz — I dont remember anyone in St.Louis
feeling sorry for the Los Angeles fans/media when
Saint Gerogia moved the Rams away from LA.
I dont remember folks like Bernie/JT talking
about how ‘unfair’ it was to LA, etc, etc, etc.It was a business then,
and nothing has changed.Whatever happened THEN and whatever
happens now, wont be about ‘fairness.’w
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wvParticipantRams and Chiefs both had same number
of OLine combos/starters in 2009, i guess.Chiefs went 4-12 that year.
( 10-6 the next year.)w
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Team Combos No. of starters
Arizona 2 6
Atlanta 4 7
Baltimore 4 7
Buffalo 9 11
Carolina 3 7
Chicago 3 7
Cincinnati 5 8
Cleveland 4 7
Dallas 2 6
Denver 5 7
Detroit 7 8
Green Bay 6 8
Houston 4 8
Indianapolis 5 8
Jacksonville 4 7
Kansas City 6 9
Miami 4 7
Minnesota 3 6
New England 6 7
New Orleans 2 6
N.Y. Giants 3 7
N.Y. Jets 1 5
Oakland 6 10
Philadelphia 5 7
Pittsburgh 2 6
San Diego 5 7
San Francisco 3 7
Seattle 6 10
St. Louis 6 9
Tampa Bay 2 6
Tennessee 3 6
Washington 5 9wvParticipantTo me it’s just important to have the “hit standard” as a kind of numerical minimum before you add any comments about quality.
I can do all the numbers again someday but it amounts to this (from memory): an avg. of 3 to 3.5 hits per draft is good, around 2 is average, less than 1.5 is poor, anything over 3.5 as an avg. is exceptional.
According to just that standard without remarking on anything else, Linehan/Zygmunt was poor, Devaney was average, and so far as we can tell now Fisher/Snead has been good.
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Yeah, its good what you did,
but there are so many qualifications that it all gets dizzy-ing.I mean, like Snisher had two number one picks twice.
Linehan and Spags never had that. Blah blah blah, you
cant really compare drafts by just looking at ‘hits’
It would be like comparing free-agent-signings without
thinking about the differences in cap-space-differences…etc
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vwvParticipantIt would be waaay more interesting
to see things broken down into regimes.
Like Snisher, versus, Linehan, versus Spagz, etc.Its hard to compare regimes though, since
Snisher has had more high picks cause of the RG3 thing.The Jason Smith pick was a bad one, but that was
a tough year for picking in the first round. Wasn’t
much to choose from.w
vwvParticipantPersonally, i am now
hoping for a giant meteorite.w
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“In fact, I suspect that our only hope is disaster. Cruel tho’ it is to say it, there has got to be a vast die-off in the human population — likely including us and our families — before the survivors find themselves in a world where a new and humble and ‘religious’ adaptation with nature is possible. Disaster is not necessary; the better world could be achieved through reason and common sense and a sense of fellowship — but most of the present human world is dead set against us…”Edward Abbey, Postcards from Ed: Dispatches and Salvos from an American Iconoclast
wvParticipantI’m ready for some healthy teams.
Yeah.
If you had to pick the factors that
generally-speaking, lead to success/failure
in football, i guess “key injuries” would
be my first pick.Like say, “injury to Starting QB” would probably be
the worst thing that could happen to ‘most’ teams.“Key injuries to OLine-Unit” might very well be
the second worst thing that could happen to a team.It would be interesting to see a study on those two factors.
Ya know. A real in-depth study.Looks like Snisher has built some serious depth
on the DLine. Lots of good players.
Have they achieved that with the OLine?
Have they tried? Look at all the No.1 picks
on the DLine. The Oline is put together
differently. I guess you have to choose,
if you are a coach. Cant have no.1’s everywhere.w
vwvParticipantDarren Woodson, Dallas’s veteran strong safety, shaking his head vigorously for emphasis. “I look at them and I see us a few years ago. You lose a couple of key people, the offensive line breaks down, and all of a sudden … blam. It can happen so fast, before you even realize it.”
Every lineman, including All-Pro left tackle Orlando Pace, who missed Sunday’s game with a torn left calf muscle, has been a liability at times.2002.
OL that year: Pace missed 6 games, Nutten missed 5, and the ROT was St. Clair. The subs included Grant Williams and a washed-up Heath Irwin.
When Bulger played, he had Pace and Nutten back, and they went 6-0 with that line up.
If I’m not mistaken, during the super bowl run,
wasnt there, like, Zero, injuries on the OLine?w
vwvParticipant“It would not shock me if they had the best defense in the league this year,” Williamson said. “Their secondary is improving. Their front seven is ridiculous now with Fairley and Ayers. I like that Fairley came in at a light weight. I could see him lined up outside every now and again.”
Lotta expectations for this defense. Again.
Wouldnt surprise me if the only defensive
player drafted was one CB,
and the rest were all offensive players.w
vwvParticipantI think long drives that end in TDs is better than just getting rid of the ball.
Well remember, the object isnt to score TDs,
its to “appear to be more complex.”w
vwvParticipant“…we’ll be simplified,
but appear to be much more complex.”
I dunno. This sounds Rumsfeld-ian to me.
Maybe I will be that way in April too.
wv-ram will be simplified
but appear to be much more complex.w
v ramwvParticipantWhich btw you took as reducing to simplicITY. He isn’t doing that,
from what I saw. SimplifyING isn’t the same as reducing to simpliCITY.I dont know what you mean.
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vwvParticipantAm i reading that right? Does that
mean SF, Arz and Seattle all
had more significant injuries
the last two years than the Rams?w
vYes.
BUT.
The Rams tended to have injuries concentrated in units.
Think back–there have been just a few injuries on defense.
And then huge numbers on the OL.
Rams injuries have tended to cripple UNITS. Mostly WR and OL, as I said, and also qb.I wonder if the 49ers fell because of concentrated injuries to ‘units’ ?
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vwvParticipantWell does it also mean the Rams players
are not the brightest bulbs in the box?No. Schott was famous for his offenses being complicated–he built in a lot of sight adjustments and variations into each play. IMO this was the one complaint that Jets players made about him that had any reality to it.
Williams is famous for going mad scientist and multiplying the fronts and packages he fields.
I suppose that the Rams players being predominantly young factors in too.
This is Fisher trimming excess, IMO.
I wonder what Fisher’s style is like — i mean
at the end of the year when he sits down to think about things,
does he ask his veteran players for input? Does he ask Chris Long
and Kenny Britt what they think needs changed?Or does he just ask Bernie about
things.w
vwvParticipantAm i reading that right? Does that
mean SF, Arz and Seattle all
had more significant injuries
the last two years than the Rams?w
vwvParticipantand i wonder why they would do it,
Execution. Less to think about.
And it;s different for the offense and defense.
On offense, they are cutting back how playcalls work. Less terminology, and I would imagine, less built-in variations per play.
On defense, it’s just the sheer number of defenses Wms fields. Less to learn. Again, execution. He already did it once–Fisher asked Wms to scale back the defense during the season, and it automatically improved as a result. For example we stopped seeing those 3-man DL zone blitz schemes.
What Fisher is noticing of course is that one of the HUGE problems with the Rams is precisely execution. This is one reason I never bought into coordinator blaming–if you watch Rams plays that go wrong, far more often than not it’s an execution issue.
One way to fix execution issues is to have the players thinking about less and so doing things with more confidence.
Well does it also mean the Rams players
are not the brightest bulbs in the box?Also, is it possible they just think
they finally have the raw physical “talent”
to just line up and beat the other teams
without a lot of complex schemes?w
vwvParticipantTraded to an Eagles board for a poster to be named later.
Well I know Mack didnt really elevate the board
but i blame the Oline injuries.Plus, lets face it, this board of woe
cant be elevated.w
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Through me you pass into the city of woe:
Through me you pass into eternal pain:
Through me you go among the lost people.
…Eternal, and eternal I shall endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.”
— Dante Alighieri (The Divine Comedy)wvParticipantDoesn’t the NFC West play the AFC North
next season?
Top two divisions play each other?w
vMarch 26, 2015 at 5:40 pm in reply to: Kroenke ready to show detailed stadium plans … plus other relocation things #21556wvParticipantThat all makes sense to me, Zooey.
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vwvParticipantWell if we are to believe Fisher
both the offense and defense will be
simplified a bit.I wonder if that is true,
and i wonder why they would do it,
and i wonder if it is a good thing
or a bad thing.w
vwvParticipantThere’s a lot in that article.
Lots of stuff going on.“-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.”
Now why in the world would it be taking this long to investigate this?
How long does it take to interview the people involved
and look at the videos?w
vI think that means the league really doesn’t care and they aren’t going to do anything meaningful anyway. It’s like answering your kids with, “We’ll see.”
Looks that way.
Thats certainly the perception
they are creating.w
vwvParticipantThere’s a lot in that article.
Lots of stuff going on.“-Ted Wells’ investigation into the deflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing, with no timetable on its conclusion.”
Now why in the world would it be taking this long to investigate this?
How long does it take to interview the people involved
and look at the videos?w
vwvParticipantwell if we’ve learned anything it’s that the nfl has no integrity.
Well, i am not sure there is such a thing
as a mega-corporation with ‘integrity’ — but
i shall spare us all
my speech on that…A lot of fans have already figured out
you haf ta kinda follow the ‘players/team’
and not the ‘Corporate-NFL/Owners’
Its tricky but it can be done.A lot of California ram fans managed
to do that when Georgia moved the team.
A lot of Missouri fans may learn to do
that if the Rams move back.We need to start passing out ‘Nomad”
t-shirts or somethin.w
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