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wvParticipant
I dunno guys. I dunno.
I look at that Bruce Arians team,
and i wonder why the Rams dont look
that good. Its been three years.w
vwvParticipantIt made even less sense with
the drafting of A.Donald.Donald should be the penetration guy
and Brockers should be the run-stuffer guy.
I would think.Still, it seems to me, most
of the big runs have been
to the outside not up the gut.w
vwvParticipantInteresting that Chris Long
has Riggins in his locker.wvParticipantthere’s more of THAT (interesting promising players)
this bad season, than in previous bad seasons.I think that should be the title
of the 2014 highlight show.w
vNovember 1, 2014 at 9:09 am in reply to: Bernie: Another Rams coaching change not a good idea #10948wvParticipantHerzog wrote:
But did Fisher inherit a mess? The team seems to be exactly what it was when he took it over…..a .500 team with massive injuries and an Ill timed coordinater change with a massively bad impact…..he has built the team to that exact point it was when he took it over.I don’t agree with that. For one, injuries are not the fault of the “builder.” If you mean they are still losing, well yeah. But then, you can have a good team (in terms of overall talent) that has a bad year. Depends on the reasons. In terms of the talent level…Spags inherited nothing. Just plain zip. Fisher inherited what Spags added and then added to that.
I just think this team had its heart taken out when they lost Bradford AGAIN and if you go back to when it happened, everyone was saying they expected a lot from him this year.
To me the big story of 2014 is making huge unbelievable mistakes and then collapsing in their aftermath. To me more than anything, this is the “psych 101 season.” When you watch them you can see them lose momentum.
At the same time, if you cancelled the 2014 Rams and let all their players go, there would be a long list of them who would get picked up by other teams. That’s not as true of the 2011 team.
Jenkins is a good example of this. Jenkins played well this year…but people remember the one big boneheaded, (as it turns out) game-costing error. And. Now he’s hurt.
In terms of the future, look at Robinson and Donald. You know what Greg Cosell said about Robinson? He wasn’t as pro ready as Matthews, but that once he got up to speed as a pro player, he would be in the conversation for the best tackles to ever play the game. Not best in the 2014 draft class, one of the best ever.
So I am frustrated by 2014, but I also see that 2014 is as talented a team as we have seen for years. They’re also massively mistake prone and easily put into a funk by those mistakes. That’s all (to me) a confidence thing.
And I actually agree with some of Miklasz’s points:
I do think Fisher’s program should be further along by now, and I won’t defend him on that. I haven’t hesitated to criticize Fisher. But some reconstruction projects take longer than others. Especially when the roster has been torn up by injuries.
• Stability — and giving Fisher a chance at a fourth season — is preferable to another regime change, and another roster turnover, and another round of chaos. Fisher is the team’s third head coach since 20066th, actually, if you go back to 2005 and count Martz plus count 2 interim coaches (Vitt and Haslett).
Well, i dunno. Losing Bradford was big, no doubt, but its the
defense that has been biggest disappointment.Also, i dunno that I’d agree that JJ played well
before the bonehead mistake. I saw some stats
somewhere that indicated otherwise.I think one major criticism of Fisher-Snead
that I wonder about is the Free Agent signings:
Wells, J.Long, Finnigan, Cook.I’m still not sold on Mr Quick either, btw, fwiw.
And Tavon and Brockers and Ogletree are mysteries to me
at this point.There’s a lot of good and bad
with this regime. I could definitely
see Fisher being here five years
and having a .500 record.w
v- This reply was modified 10 years, 2 months ago by wv.
November 1, 2014 at 8:16 am in reply to: Bernie: Another Rams coaching change not a good idea #10944wvParticipantI didn’t read Bernie’s article, but I tend to agree with the premise that another coaching change is not what this team needs. At least not at the head coaching position. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I am pleased in any way with the state of the team under Fisher. That obviously not the case. But the constant upheaval of hiring all new staffs and bringing in all new philosophies has to end somewhere. A team cannot start over time and time again. All that said, he needs to do a better job of selecting his coordinators. Look, I might be wrong about Williams (I tend to believe his is badly overrated), maybe he’ll get the defense organized and playing some decent football. I’d love for that to be the case. We’ll see. I don’t really think that Shotty has much of a guiding philosophy to his planning and his in-game management of the offense. I wouldn’t mind seeing something done there to bring in someone who has demonstrated a concrete body of work that has brought some success. But I think Fisher is a good coach if not a great coach, and I don’t really see anyone on the horizon who I would want to replace him. I am not a fan of grabbing the latest hot coordinator. I just don’t think that the success rate of that ploy is high enough to make it worth firing an established NFL coach for. I think they need to gut it out with Fisher, painful as it may be. He is the most likely to bring them out of the fog.
I would give Fisher another year.
But if they are mired in last place
at this time next year, I’d say
to hell with continuity.w
vwvParticipantive given up on the idea of the rams
having a winning season (and I’m
very disappointed in how this team has played so far)But I’ve been following them since 68
so…ya know.As far as the time i put into now,
I just watch Replay when i feel like it
(didnt want to see the KC game).This 2014 team is one of the most
frustrating teams I can ever remember.
I cant recall a team that makes so many
good plays and bonehead plays all mixed
together.w
vwvParticipantcheck out the vid at the 6:30 mark
wvParticipantI had a relationship last 25 days once.
Thats a record for me.Congrats. I think. I dunno.
w
vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantI didnt realize A.Donald was hurt.
Sigh
w
vOctober 30, 2014 at 4:52 pm in reply to: What has happened to Rams WR Stedman Bailey? –101Audio #10844wvParticipantWarrick Dunn
Well Dunn was offensive rookie of the year
and had three pro bowl appearances. So
that one worked out, i guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrick_DunnSometimes the little speedsters dont
work out. Gaston Green. Trung. Etc.Too early to make any hard and fast
conclusions about Tavon, for me.
But so far this year, he’s
been a disappointment and nonfactor,
obviously.w
vwvParticipantRandyK:
“At 2-5, with their injuries and upcoming schedule, there isn’t much promise for the rest of the season. The best thing the Rams can do is to figure out if Austin Davis is a prospect worth going down the line with, who their running back is going to be, get Stedman Bailey into the lineup so he becomes an experienced regular, watch tape of the way Mike Martz used Az-Zahir Hakim to figure out what to do with Tavon Austin, and determine which young offensive linemen can be a part of their future so that they know what positions to draft early in 2015.”
http://www.101sports.com/2014/10/26/rams-blow-offers-little-promise-rest-season/wvParticipantI predict 5-10 minutes of hoping that the inevitable doesn’t happen, followed by about 5 minutes of anger, to be quickly followed by acceptance and a smattering of indifference.
If he plays, I expect a better game from Jenkins compared to his last game vs the Niners. I also expect a lot of running plays and bootlegs to Ogletree’s side if the field.
Ya think JJ wants another
crack at Mr Lloyd?Rams are Salty,
btw.w
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Harbaugh:
(On if Rams injuries impact their preparation or if they will make adjustments based on injuries)
“No we don’t. They’re a salty opponent, they always have been. Strive to play good football because that’s what it’s going to take. It’s going to take us being at our best and that’s really where our expectations are for today: to have a great practice and have great meetings.”(On if anything from the last 49ers-Rams matchup sticks out in his mind)
“Not one thing in particular, no.”wvParticipantYou mean the 36 minute mark on the AUDIO, right? (The video doesn’t go past 30 minutes.)
He mentions that the Rams lead the league in tackles for loss.Yes, the audio.
Though, at the 66 minute mark, Fisher’s
theory linking UFO crashes at Roswell
with ACL tears seemed a bit tenuous to me.w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
I dont like him much either,
but he was in charge of other
defenses besides the Saints.
So, if we are gonna look at history
i think we have to consider Buffalo
and Washington too.There ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Personally, i have to wait
and see how he does in the second
half of the year.He’s flunked the first half.
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vHe didn’t have the personnel in New Orleans but still made it work best he could and one year was even top 5. I don’t count Buffalo because he wasn’t the coordinator. Either way, he has had top 10 defenses his whole career.
And, I don’t think anyone figured him out. So now the Rams lead the league in tackles for loss and they only lose because they make incredible game-turning mistakes, but their defense has been figured out? (?)
Unless injuries completely undermine them, they’re just going to get better on defense. What they need to just STOP is the boneheaded errors resulting in huge big plays. But that’s execution. It’s coaching if it’s the EXACT SAME errors game in and game out, but these guys just keep coming up with new ones.
Personally, when it comes to liking or not liking Wms, I think he did his time and gets another chance. People can disagree with that and I completely understand.
As far as ‘figuring him out,’ ive read some comments
that his blitzes just arent working. The blitzers
aint disrupting anything.Now there could be a million other reasons for that
(if its trut) — but one reason could be,
the league has ‘figured out’ GW.
Your position is the league
has not figured him out.
Mine is, I dunno.w
vwvParticipantThat’s cool, zn. He coordinated New Orleans’ defense for three seasons. One season at No. 24, one season at No. 25, and one at No. 4. In the season at No. 4, the Saints played twelve games against teams in the bottom fourteen of the NFL in offense, including two against the NFL’s worst offensive team, Carolina, and one vs. No. 31 (Arizona) And they did well against those teams. They faced exactly one top ten offense (Dallas). What would you expect? Color me dubious. I’m not a Gregg Williams fan. I don’t think he has proven anything. If he has proven anything it’s that he has a lot to prove. The bar is set high when you have a reputation as a defensive guru, and he is tripping all over it.
I dont like him much either,
but he was in charge of other
defenses besides the Saints.
So, if we are gonna look at history
i think we have to consider Buffalo
and Washington too.There ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Personally, i have to wait
and see how he does in the second
half of the year.He’s flunked the first half.
w
vwvParticipant36 minute mark on is worth listening to. I’d even
call it a Must-Listen —S.Savard:
“where do you think your run defense is right now?”Fisher:
“I think the perception is, we are a difficult
team to run against…”w
vwvParticipantI believe that Gregg Williams bears the lion’s share of the blame for the condition of this defense. It was a young, promising defense last season, and expected to be among the league’s best this season. The cast is largely the same, minus Chris Long (but add a talented Aaron Donald), and another year of experience under their belt. Enter Gregg Williams and they can’t find their asses with a mirror. I think we need to stop labeling the draft picks as mistakes and apply that label to Williams. He was a horrible hire and has set this defense back to where it was two or three years ago. I think he is an egomaniac who constantly feels the need to demonstrate his genius and has over-complicated everything. He needs to go. He has his own good in mind and not the good of the team. The season is essentially over, so I see no reason not to fire him now. Bring in someone who is driven to put his players in a position to succeed, not to put himself in a position to succeed.
Well…i feel ya.
But i think zn’s notion is worth considering.
They may still be adjusting to a new system
and they ‘may’ start ‘getting it’. The future
will unfold 🙂 We’ll see. Nine more games.Its the Rams so what will probably happen iz,
the defense will improve….as the offense
collapses.w
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Bernie: 3a. Ogletree is having an awful second NFL season. He’s the Rams’ most disappointing player so far in 2014. He’s frequently lost out there, takes wrong angles, and teams have exploited him to click off huge runs to the outside.3b. More on the Rams’ horrible defense against outside running plays: according to STATS LLC, opponents have gained 312 rushing yards on 55 runs to the left sideline, an average of 5.67 yards per attempt. And on 62 rushes to the right sideline, opponents have 376 yards — averaging 6.06 yards per run. No NFL defense has done worse in this area.
——————-Major questions :
Is Greg Williams a significant cause of this?
Can Greg Williams fix this?I ‘hate’ bad run defense.
It makes me want to watch Heidi.w
vwvParticipant“Mark is a silent killer,” Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said. “He doesn’t do too much talking, but when he hits you, you know it. He hits you and looks at you like, ‘That’s what I do.’ ”
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Greg Schiano said. “One of the big things we really loved was the way Mark run-supported in college. In our division, having to defend these great tight ends, Mark would be a great matchup. I think he has been. He needs to play really well.”wvParticipanthttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000419401/article/buccaneers-trade-mark-barron-to-rams?campaign=twitter_atn_sessler
Vid on the trade“barron will play the R.Harper role with the rams”
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vwvParticipantso. what does la think about next year’s qb class?
I dunno what La thinks about QBs,
but i know what wv thinks — wv thinks
they need to fix the OLine.Not sure they can count on Saffold.
Definitely gotta jettison Long
and Wells, imho. And Barksdale
is a free agent after this year
aint he?w
vwvParticipantPersonally, i like the merging of posts
into threads on the same subject.
It keeps older posts relevant, etc.So, as usual, different views on this.
w
vwvParticipantWow, blame Austin Davis? Really.
You guys need to watch the games before blaming Davis.
You’re way the hell off base.
Grits
Well, he’s got nine more games,
and i think most people are still
undecided on AustinD.w
vwvParticipantI don’t remember ever anticipating a blowout of the Rams before. But I do this week. The Rams’ OL just went down the toilet (in terms of continuity and experience, if not talent), and the 9ers are coming off a bye at home. And no Quick. I’m not sure I can watch.
Dallas will lose to Arizona.
Well, yeah, i dont expect much…but…All Things Are Possible.
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vwvParticipanthttp://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
Seattle by 16 over the Raiders.
Denver by 4 over the Pats
Dallas by 4 over Arizona
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vwvParticipantTavon Austin is starting to look like a completely blown pick.
I haven’t given up on him entirely, but he isn’t the contributor we thought we were getting after trading up to the #8 spot to draft him. He’s just a guy. Who apparently can’t get separation or break tackles. Which doesn’t bode well.
Yeah, I’m not happy about Tavon,
or Brockers for that matter.But in some ways i feel pretty
optimistic about this team.Its a weird combination of
talent and youth and boneheadness
and injury-proneness and mystery.Bottom line though — another
year of double-digit losses.
Hard to take. Year Three,
and another year of double-digit losses.Next year, if i am Kroenke,
Fisher HAS to win.w
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