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wvParticipantAnybody listen to that Martz audio. I forget where the link is.
There was some good stuff in that.
One thing Martz emphasized about
the 99 team was the “unselfish superstars”
and he singled out London Fletcher.He also flat out said he regrets
jettisoning Kurt Warner, but he also
made it clear it was a decision made
by the “organization.”w
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wvParticipantSums it up nicely.
Lots of questions.
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wvParticipantDoes anyone have a list of the Rams OLinemen
who have been injured AND the weeks that
they went out ?I think it would be interesting to see
WHEN the Line got to “bulgerization” level.
How many games were they healthy?w
vOkay, as a rule, I don’t count one or 2 replacements unless it’s both the center and the left tackle at the same time.
But that’s deceptive, because they started the season with a green GR at LOT, 2 rookies, and a first-time starter center.
The Rams played the same OL through week 4, when they lost Saffold. That’s no big deal because they just brought in Reynolds.
Against the Vikes they had to play Donnal at guard and move Reynolds to ROT. That’s because they lost both Havenstein and Williams at that point. But still, that’s just 2 changes, so it’s not critical in itself. You combine that with being so young and it’s not optimal, but a change at guard and ROT in itself is not critical mass type stuff.
In the Baltimore game, they lost Donnal, who was at ROT, and they were missing Brown, too. That’s when they had to move Reynolds to ROT and start Rhaney and Wichman at guard.
So then at that point, they had lost starters in Saffold, Brown, and Havenstein plus replacements in Williams and Donnal.
The low ebb OL was Robinson Rhaney Barnes Wichman Reynolds, with 3 injured ROTs (Havenstein, Wms, Donnal).
That’s at least better now (in injury terms) with Havenstein back, which also moves Reynolds back to guard.
What’s freaky about all this is this: starting in 2014 they added 8 linemen, including draft picks and a UDFA. Of those, only Donnal had a previous injury history. As of right now, 7 of those 8 have been injured for lengthy stretches.
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Well thats a little confusing to me. Maybe I’ll make a chart
or something.I do think losing Saffold was a big deal though. I just
think he meant a lot to the OLine.w
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wvParticipantI am hoping for two first downs,
per quarter. Eight first downs.Call me a dreamer.
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wvParticipantDoes anyone have a list of the Rams OLinemen
who have been injured AND the weeks that
they went out ?I think it would be interesting to see
WHEN the Line got to “bulgerization” level.
How many games were they healthy?w
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wvParticipantor me, the offensive line got hurt. They will be healthy next year.
I think Mannion will be ready next year.
;I am drafting some new and BETTER WRs and TEs and an extra QB. Along the way, I will add a DE and maybe a CB. It just depends on how the draft plays out.
As long as Linehan isn’t the HC, I am not worried about coaching either.
What if Mannion is not the man ?
What if he dont pan out?w
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wvParticipantWe didn’t start off as the worst offense in history. We had to work on it.
Yeah, I vaguely remember, in a galaxy far away, eons ago,
an opening game against Seattle where i actually
praised the offense, and the mid-range passing attack.I’m thinking the next Seattle game, might
be so bad the offense will score in Negative-numbers.
Has that ever happened? Has an offense ever
actually broke through the fabric of algebra
and scored in Minus-Integers ?w
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wvParticipantHoras to offense: “Come on, men let’s finish this season like your career depends on it! Show the world that you can do better, that you didn’t get TWO coordinators fired. …Uh, not you, Todd, this season’s most.”
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Well, I’m all for giving Horas a chance.w
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wvParticipantSometimes i get the impression Cignetti was more of a
“leader of men” kinda guy, rather than
an “X’s and O’s Genius” kinda guy.At any rate, I think we all agree there’s been
a contatenation of problems on Offense,
probably starting withtwo Rookies on the OLine,
Greg Robinson’s lack of improvement,
and then
the numerous injuries on the OLine
caused,
Foles (who had plenty of flaws to begin with) to be bulgerized, and
finally his
total meltdown,
which has affected
the Receivers,
though Cook is inherently unreliable,
and Kendricks was injured,
and Stedman was shot in the head,
and Tavon is not a particularly reliable WR,
and Britt seems to have a limited
number of routes where he’s effective so
he can be shut down often.And then perhaps Cignetti was not up to
dealing with all this stuff.So, it looks like next year they will have to
get the OLine healthy — HOPE that GRob improves
(or move him inside),
figure out if Foles can come back or Mannion
can be the guy, or draft a QB….and cut Cook,
and add a vet WR, and draft a WR high.And of course they have to make all the right
moves on defense: Sign Long? Cut Long? Hayes?
Janoris? Tru?w
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wvParticipantBoras…now THAT’s a name. It would be a good name for a gladiator.
I think his name alone is good for an extra TD or two a game.
And ya gotta’ like the cut of his jib.

Now that’s the look of a guy who’s mission in life is to ‘by Gawd get things done!”
He’s here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and he’s all outta’ bubblegum.——————-
Exactly. The Offense is Saved.
Rams 9
Lions 32w
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wvParticipantWell, I think there was a wee bit of improvement with Carson, but nothing significant.
Man, Bud Carson did NOT think highly of Kevin Carter.
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Well, Boras the Bold, will make mince-meat out of this league.
He will burn this league like a sausage in a refinery fire,
he will make this league sit up like dark clouds on a stormy night
and rue the day the heard the name…Boras……sorry….I’m
channeling Zooey’s students again…w
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wvParticipantWell, seems to me, GR gets beat in a multitude of ways.
Sometimes I swear, it just looks like he is not a true LT.
Maybe the “spread offense theory” (SOT) will turn out
accurate, and he’ll blossom in year THREE,
but I’m skeptical. He looks like he gets beat
physically too much, to my untrained eyes.Let us all hope the SOT is true, and they do not
need to draft another LT. It would be great
if they could spend that high pick on a WR
or DE or QB.w
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wvParticipantIt’s hard to say what the change will be because they went from one first-time coordinator to another first-time coordinator. Plus of course in terms of the offensive system they couldn’t possibly tweak THAT during the season.
However, one change ought to be in individual play, because one point of firing a coordinator during the season is to send a shock through the team.
I remember when the Giunta-Defense was so horrific that I couldn’t watch it.
It was about the same level as the Cignetti-Offense.
And Martzy got desperate and brought in Bud Carson — the legend. As i recall
the legend didn’t do any good.Maybe Boras will fare better. All things are Possible. Long Live Boras.
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wvParticipantit’S simple PA,.,.other teams DON’T. Deal with those things…..unless you can name eexamples,….it is always a big deal when that much happens to ANY team’s OL
Well you always ask that 🙂 And I dunno about Pa, but almost none of us
pay attention to OTHER teams OLines. Its just not something the average
fan knows about. So, let me ask YOU? Do ‘you’ know whether other teams
have lost a lot of OLinemen and still had winning seasons? I mean, do you study that history yourself? Cause ‘we’ dunno 🙂w
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wvParticipantI think we’ll see more of Gurley.
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wvParticipant(On what Boras can bring to the offense)
“There’s some different thoughts. Stimulate the staff. A little more creativity. But, it’s run game. We’re lacking the run game efficiency right now and it all starts right there. Rob, wherever he’s been, he’s been very successful with respect to the run. So, that’s where it’s going to start.”“What I’m anticipating is it’s play selection, it’s calls, it’s adjustments and things like that. It’s commitment to it as far as the play calling is concerned. Expanding on some things that we need to do and then hopefully pushing things down the field as a result of it, because that’s what we haven’t been able to do.”
————————Well maybe Boras has a better feel for the Run game,
at least. Ya know. Hope springs eternal.w
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wvParticipantWell, I for one, am ecstatic that Boras has finally ascended to his rightful perch overlooking this tire fire of an offense.
With Boras at OC, Foles and/or Keenum will throw for 350 yds and 3 TDs and Gurley will run for 150 yds and 2 TDs…
over the remainder of the season.
The league will regret ever hearing the name
Boras.w
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wvParticipantI wonder if Kroenke had anything to do with it?
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wvParticipantLet’s start with, if you were Fisher’s lawyer, which arguments would you object too?
I would object to putting a false
witch-nose on Fisher.And i would move the court to see if
Fisher was made of wood.w
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wvParticipantAhh. I discovered the ‘zoom’ thingy in the upper right corner.
I am now zooming at 110 percent.
I’m giving 110 percent of 70 percent
to this board.w
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wvParticipantYou browser should have something to change the size of the type. Which browser so you have?
I used firefox
wvParticipantI am not a big fan of Fisher or Williams or Bernie. But most of the reasons for firing Fisher remind me of of Bogus Burn the Witch stuff.
Well you said “most” of the reasons are bogus — what are the reasons that
are not bogus?w
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LaramCards ran 79 plays, Rams 50
TOP Rams – 20:00 Cards – 40:00
Rams 3rd down efficiency – 1-12 8%
Cards 3rd down efficiency – 7-16 43%
First downs – Rams – 9 Cards – 29
===========Total offense – Rams – 212 Cards – 524
wvParticipantThey won’t win another game. They would have to win by the defense scoring and still managing to hold up after being out there all day to stop the other team. This offense can’t do anything. 4-12. Who predicted that?
Congrats–you’re the winner.
This has to be a historically bad offense. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a team where I gave their offense next to no chance of scoring. Or if the other team goes up by 10 it’s over.
I expected more with Gurley but you have to have SOME kind of passing game–something–or defenses will take away your star.
I had high hopes for Foles but that’s gone.
Maybe next year.
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Well, at least they play SF and Seattle on the road.
Cause ya know, the Rams play well against division teams….oh wait.It will be interesting to see where this Offense ranks.
One of the worst NFL offenses I’ve ever seen. Ever.
And I remember the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs.w
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wvParticipantny coach that says that was an acceptable effort can kiss my ass
The issue wasn’t and has not been “effort.”
It’s execution.
You can put in all the effort you want and if you can’t execute you lose.
Fisher was right about effort. It’s not the issue.
Yeah, its not effort. True.
But to ‘me’ the word ‘execution’ is pretty meaningless.
I put it up there with “we didnt score enough points to win”Its meaningless to me, because it gives no clue
as to WHY the plays are not being ‘executed’ properly.Having said that, i never get mad at coaches
for what the say or dont say at press conferences.
I mean, would we expect them to explain
the nuts and bolts of why the team lost.
I dont expect that out of coaches — i expect
broad meaningless generalizations. Thats what
Belicheck gives win or lose.
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wvParticipantRams could have been penalized on their field gold and scored 0 but they missed that opportunity. Luckily, there are still three more games to discover new depths of despair for this Ram fan.
The draft is only about 6 months away – that’s where the Rams seem to shine.
Look, three points is Almost
one point per quarter. I cant do the algebra
but I think its almost a point a quarter.
I think thats something they can
build on.Remaining games:
Lions
Bucs
at Seahawks
at 49ersIs there another win in there? Another TD?
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vI’m glad Mannion didnt play because
we might have seen some really
bad offense with a rookie in there.
Ya know.w
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wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I think he was doing better when Reynolds played next to him. Let’s see how he does today.</span>
Your post would have more gravitas
it you had a picture of plastic army men.w
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wvParticipantand thus
and therefore, he must be able to pass-block.Well athlete does not mean pass blocker per se. Pass blocking is technique and awareness. Athlete means potential for SUPERIOR pass blocker. But until he learns the technique and gains awareness, he is going to be more limited.
IMO every complaint we hear about GR gets down to technique and awareness, both of which have to do with experience and learning.
He was just THAT raw coming out. Way behind.
Yet at the same time, they have 2 more LOT prospects in Battle and Wms. So, that;s interesting too.
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Well I hope you are right, but I am skeptical at this point.
Overall though, I’m less worried about the OLine in the long-term
than I am the QB, TE, and Receiver situation. Mainly
I think it was the injuries that did-in the Oline. Mainly.But Cook has to go. I do not think Foles is the longterm answer,
and I think they need a WR who is a No.1 guy.w
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wvParticipantDeadpool
Another thing that is rarely touched on, is Robinson… He’s a really good athlete, so there is nothing saying he cannot play the position. Everything said about him at AU was that he was a hard worker. So maybe, just maybe a 2nd year at his original position, with the same blocking scheme will allow him to stop thinking and just play. Which, IMO, would improve his game.Well, I am off the GRob bandwagon, myself. For two years,
Ive read about what a “great athlete” he is, and thus
and therefore, he must be able to pass-block.But just because he’s been a “great athlete” does not
necessarily mean he has what it takes to “pass block” in the NFL.So far he is very disappointing as a pass-blocker.
Maybe he improves. Maybe he doesn’t. I don’t see
any reason to think one path is more likely
than the other.w
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wvParticipantre the powers-that-bee gonna stop
the game and pull a player every time there’s a hard hit now?IF they have reason to believe he has a possible concussion…yes.
Regardless of the fall out.
Brady is driving the Pats downfield in Overtime in the Super Bowl.
He takes a hard hit. Who the hell knows if he has a Concussion.
He says he’s fine — but a guy in a booth pulls him.
His back-up throws an INT.What would you call that?
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