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October 21, 2014 at 8:55 pm in reply to: what challenges do the Rams face with KC? Can they win? #10143wvParticipant
Who is Jake Long going up against?
Is it a good passrusher?I’m gonna start asking that
every week.The Chiefs have a former-probowler who has seven sacks, btw :
Justin Houston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Houstonw
vwvParticipantFisher said the Chiefs will be the most
diverse running-game they will see,
“they’ll run power, they’ll run weakside lead,
and then one-back-stuff and then do read-option…
they attack the edges really good…”He also said the Chiefs are not
asking the QB to do much. They
would hand if off 45 times a game
if they could.w
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JunkmanBefore I get started, this is a Pro Football Focus thread. If you don’t like PFF stats, don’t trust them, don’t believe their acumen, believe they are fundamentally flawed for whatever reason, I’ve heard the arguments, I don’t want to hear it again. Just move along now, please, nothing to see here.
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So, our frenemies over at PFF are heaping their statistical praise on one of our own. This week, for the first time, Rams Nation’s prize rookie Aaron Donald has crept to the top of the leaderboard for NFL DT/NTs.
** OPTIONAL READING. As a reminder of how PFF stats work, it works like golf scoring but upside down – that the higher the score, the better. A “par” for a play or a game is an even zero. Every snap you play, your score can go higher or lower. A good game might give you anywhere from +1 to a +2 where an incredible game could give you +8. I’ve seen as high as +14 for Quinn’s game against Chicago last year. Same thing happens for bad games, where the worse your game, the lower your score. If you play consistently from snap to snap, the more snaps you have, the more positive (or negative) your score will be. PFF scores are also broken down into general categories like Pass Rush and Run Defense and Pass Coverage. Just like in a golf tournament, the numbers are accumulated from game to game.
Aaron Donald’s aggregate overall PFF score of 16.5 leads all NFL DTs/NTs by a slight margin. Second best is Kawaan Short at 16.0, followed by Gerald McCoy at 15.8. I honestly don’t care what the statistical measure is, that’s some great company to be in.
Donald’s run defense score of +9.6 is second in the NFL, while his pass rushing score of 5.1 is 10th best. This is out of 72 total DTs/NTs.
Donald’s top ranking is even more impressive when you consider the relatively few snaps that Donald has had. If you normalize the rankings on a per snap basis, then Donald’s lead widens among the full time DT/NTs, even though he falls 2nd overall to PFF score per snap to Ryan Davis who only comes in to rush the passer and has had 1/3 the snaps.
As one might expect for a rookie, Donald is improving. He hasn’t had a single negative game the entire year. He’s only had one negative category all year, which was pass rushing against Minnesota the first game. The general trend is up, where the Seattle game was his best game at +4.9
There is one more stat that jumps out at you when looking at Donald, a proprietary PFF stat called “Stops”, which is a solo tackle or sack that constitutes an offensive failure. Not only does Donald have 14 stops, a very high number, but this is the same as his tackles and sacks (as tallied by PFF). That is, every time Donald has made a tackle or a sack, PFF considered it an offensive failure. Donald’s 14 stops is tied for 5th among DT/NTs, and 3rd best on a per snap basis (behind a couple of run stuffing guys).
Is there room for improvement in Donald’s game? Certainly. Donald has had 132 pass rush snaps and 90 run D snaps, so it’s a little surprising that his PFF run D score is better than his pass rush score. Coming into the season, my belief was that Donald would have had more impact with his pass rush skills. But the fact that Donald is already having an impact with his run D is a testament to how high of a quality player Donald is.
A note for the DROY race, Donald is neck and neck on PFF grades with Khalil Mack and his 20 stops. But Mack has 170 more snaps that Donald. So if Donald keeps up his current pace (and increased snaps per game), it stands to reason that he should shoot past Mack. No other rookie is even close at the moment.
DPOY, by contrast, already seems like a runaway win for JJ Watt, whose +37.7 beats any player at any position by a wide margin. 2nd best (any position) is Von Miller at +23.7.
Back to Donald, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. We’re only talking about PFF stats, and only after 6 games for a rookie, so we shouldn’t be calling the engravers in Canton just yet. But love ’em or hate ’em, PFF stats have a remarkable ability to catch people’s attention. If people were not aware of Donald before, you can be pretty sure they are noticing if him now.
October 21, 2014 at 6:22 pm in reply to: what challenges do the Rams face with KC? Can they win? #10118wvParticipantI am concerned about this. Charles look like Marshall Faulk right now.
Can they beat a solid team on the road
this year?Now would be a good time.
At least we know RayRay
wont be penalized in this one.w
vwvParticipantI’m finding myself in agreement with Karraker this entire year, and I agree with him here – not that he said anything controversial this week. The use of Tavon Austin is my biggest head-scratcher vis-a-vis Schottenheimer. He doesn’t seem to know what to do with him, OR Austin just isn’t very good.
I was hoping Austin was going to be Eric Metcalf.
Yeah, its not about ‘getting Tavon his touches’.
Its about what kind of routes will give
him the best chance to use his special skills.I do NOT think lining him up in the backfield and
running him up the get is using him correctly.
I also dont think throwing him those stupid little flairs
is using him correctly. Martz would know how to use him.He needs to get the ball farther out where there’s
more space and less defenders.w
vxwvParticipantenh — M.Lynch had some big runs called back. He had a
better day against the RamsD than the stats show.It is noteworthy that AustinD had a 128 rating
against the Seattle D.w
vwvParticipantYep. The WR’s are respectable, which is a tremendous leap forward compared to where they were just two seasons ago.
In 2012 this team was starting Danny Amendola and Brandon Gibson.
Brandon
F#^@%*$
Gibson
Wow.
I watched some of the Bills Vikes game on replay.
Watkins looks like an allpro already.Rams coulda had him, and then picked A.Donald
and then taken an OLinemen in the second round.I dunno.
w
vOctober 21, 2014 at 11:31 am in reply to: what challenges do the Rams face with KC? Can they win? #10099wvParticipant…if the rams win on the road
in Kansas City, i think we have
to consider them wildcard
contenders.So, i’m in favor of winning,
myself.I’m thinking maybe they can
fake a fake-punt, and then
do a drop-kick.w
vOctober 21, 2014 at 11:14 am in reply to: what challenges do the Rams face with KC? Can they win? #10097wvParticipantThe rams would miss out.
Division winners would be:
Cardinals
Cowboys
Lions
PanthersWildcards would be:
Packers and Eagles (5-2 and 5-1)49ers and Seahawks wold miss the playoffs.
w
vwvParticipantFor me the most positive change
this season has been the
play of the receivers — they
have become…respectable.
Not great or excellent
but…respectable.If Greg Robinson continues to
improve, it may be that Snisher
made the right choice of GR
over Watkins. Too soon to tell.w
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wvParticipantI also missed the game PA, then watched it on Replay. I’ll miss next week’s game, too. We might be on to something.
I discovered if you run REPLAY backwards
you can actually go back in time.
But only to the Linehan years. So
i dunno if its worth it.w
vwvParticipanthttp://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2024829366_millen21xml.html
Seattle reporter analysis of the Lossw
vwvParticipantExcellent. Not too long ago, Pettis’ level of talent would have made him a starter on this team. Now he’s been cut.
I feel bad for Pettis, but it’s a good sign for this football team.
Agreed.
I’m a little disappointed in Britt though.
I was hoping he’d be more of an impact player.w
vwvParticipantHe has impressed the hell out of me
for a guy thats only started a few games.Still too soon to tell for sure
what his limitations are.He might be ‘Dalton’
he might be ‘Fitzpatrick’
he might be Montana,
he might be a lot of things.w
vwvParticipantwv wrote:
Can you imagine the feelings on the team
and among the fans, if the Rams had punted
and the Seahawks had marched down the field
and kicked the FG: 29-28Rams blow a 21-3 lead.
Imagine the mood on the message boards
O dear.
The Chief game looks inter esting.
Alex Smith is good but he aint mobile.
Maybe Ogletree wont wiff on him.w
vYeah, to me, Fisher going for the fake punt was the smallest gamble he could make.
If the fake punt isn’t successful, the Seahawks have the ball deep in Rams territory. They would score rather quickly, leaving the Rams enough time to at least have a shot at scoring themselves. The Rams led by two points so no matter if Seattle scored a FG or TD, the Rams would still only be one score down with timeouts remaining.
If he punts the ball, the Seahawks would be have more field to cover so they would be able to run the clock down before their inevitable score to go ahead. And let’s not kid ourselves – them scoring would have been inevitable.
So to me the fake punt was an easy call by Fisher. He really had no other choice.
Exactly.
w
vwvParticipantCan you imagine the feelings on the team
and among the fans, if the Rams had punted
and the Seahawks had marched down the field
and kicked the FG: 29-28Rams blow a 21-3 lead.
Imagine the mood on the message boards 🙂
O dear.
The Chief game looks inter esting.
Alex Smith is good but he aint mobile.
Maybe Ogletree wont wiff on him.w
vwvParticipant“…The Rams call the play “Mountaineer” because it hinges on the two former West Virginia teammates, Bailey and primary return man Tavon Austin. Austin sells the punt on one side of the field while Bailey gets the cheese. Three times special teams coordinator John Fassel ran film of the Chicago Bears working the decoy against the Green Bay Packers several years ago. With Devin Hester as decoy, the play worked to perfection — except for a Bears holding penalty that negated the trickeration….”
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m o u n t a i n e e rwvParticipantSeattle posters:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2014/10/19/rams-28-seahawks-26-first-impressions/
ternShoreMsFan 39 minutes ago
Rams must be super well-disciplined for such a lousy team! They were called for a whopping total of TWO penalties in that game!!?? One was the personal foul on Quick in the 1st quarter (immediately erased by a stupid personal foul penalty by Simon on the next play), and an intentional delay of game penalty in the 4th quarter before a punt. We were flagged for TEN penalties. St.Louis played one heck of a clean game in all facets…..or did they? I don’t buy that for one ####ing second.Gary01
@EasternShoreMsFan There were a few bogus calls, sure, but Seattle led the league in penalties last year too – it’s what they do. Their o-line is garbage, though – 8/10 of those penalties were probably holding or procedural calls against the crap o-line.wvParticipanthttp://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2014/10/19/earl-thomas-were-playing-the-referees-too/
Earl Thomas: ‘We’re playing the referees too’
Posted by Jayson JenksST. LOUIS — Seahawks safety Earl Thomas was asked if he was surprised if the Rams’ fumble at the end of Seattle’s 28-26 loss wasn’t reviewed. It looked as if Sherman had recovered the fumble initially, but the Rams’ retained possession and ran out the clock.
“Yeah,” Thomas said. “At least give us a shot. But you know what? I’m not surprised with the referees this season. If you really look at some plays, we’re playing more than our opponents. We’re playing the referees too. I don’t care what anybody is saying. Something is wrong. That needs to be brought up.”
Thomas was asked if the refs gave the Seahawks an explanation: “There’s never an explanation,” he said. “It’s kind of crazy how football is turning out now. You give a guy, just because he wears a white and black shirt, he has authority of the game. Man, they need to stay out of it — that’s my key — and let us dominate.”
Thomas also pointed to special teams and the fact the Seahawks weren’t disciplined, but he also said, “We’ve got to understand who we’re battling now. We won everything last year. We’re battling the referees now. I don’t know what’s going on with that. We’ve got to cut out the penalties. That’s what’s hurting us.”
Dean Blandino, the NFL’s vice president of officiating, tweeted an explanation of that final fumble:
wvParticipantI bet he fumbles more than Pead. Do you want to cut him?
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I might want to trade him
for Percy Harvin.w
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Laram — on Ogletreebut what AO did today goes beyond a “bad game” to me.
Alec Ogletree was a perfect example of a “coach killer” in today’s game.
I will disregard the missed tackles for this illustration, those happen far to frequently in the NFL.
But the misplays he had on Russell Wilson were totally inexcusable.
The Rams had AO spying Wilson in this game and Wilson ended up getting his career high in rush yards.
When you have contain, you learn in Pee Wee ball that you don’t give up the outside, you turn everything inside to your pursuit.
WTH was AO dipping inside and giving up the corner???
First its poor technique, and if given the choice, what do you think a qb is going to choose, inside or outside??
Russell Wilson is smart, he knows the sidelines is his friend, TURN HIM INSIDE!!! banghead
wvParticipantWell, Mason was a Fumbler in college
and now he makes the second most
boneheaded play of the year.
(JJ’s burning was the worst)You simply canNOT fumble
in that situation.
I read people saying “its a learning experience” —
Nah. Thats the kind of thing a pro
ALREADY knows.I dont think he’s gonna ‘learn’ not
to fumble at critical times — i think
he’s just a fumbler.w
vwvParticipantI’m pleased. Not overwhelmed. But pleased.
Well they have a Formula now :
Just make two 70+ yard kick returns,execute a Fake punt,
and fumble the ball while
running out the clock.w
vwvParticipant46 Comments and counting — after the article — seahawk fans on the game
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2014/10/19/rams-28-seahawks-26-first-impressions/azmaniac 34 minutes ago
I hope the DC now understands the DL cannot get pressure on the QB with just a 4 man rush. WE need to change our base defense or this will continue especially on the road. We were seriously out coached in this game. Special teams killed us. Russell Wilson is the ONLY reason we were even in this game in the 4th quarter. That and St louis played defense like we did the whole game and allowed us to get back in by dropping instead of harassing Wilson like they did in the 1st half. On OF most of our problems would be solved if we had 2 guards that can at least slow down the rush. I said MOST. Turn out the lights the party is over for this team.- This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.
wvParticipantwvParticipanti’m glad for the win but still disheartened by the inconsistency of this team. this is not a solid formula for winning. they have to get better.
having said that. lots of positive things i can take from this game.
Exactly.
Only the rams could upset
the SuperBowl champs…in a
disheartening way.Obviously “we’ll take it”
as posters say.w
vOctober 19, 2014 at 4:47 pm in reply to: Game highlight vids, including ESPN’s Sunday Blitz: Seahawks-Rams Recap #9938wvParticipantwvParticipantGoing right down the field after 21-19. That’s nice. Key to game. The punt call on 4th deep in own territory. Unbelievable. Excellent!
True, but Seattle then went right
down the field on the Rams D.w
vwvParticipantThis is one of the weirdest
Ram teams i can ever
remember.They are infuriating
even when the upset
the superbowl champs.w
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