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ParticipantGeorgia never liked the Kneel Down.
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Next Move In Court
Nfl Rejects Rams’ St. Louis TransferMarch 16, 1995|
By Don Pierson, Tribune Pro Football Writer.PHOENIX — National Football League owners voted down the proposed move of the Rams from Los Angeles to St. Louis on Wednesday, but the door to further negotiation still appears as open as the arch.
Rams owner Georgia Frontiere called it an “arbitrary and capricious” decision by a “kangaroo court” and laid groundwork for antitrust action in the kind of court that is painfully familiar to fellow owners who failed to prevent Al Davis from moving the Raiders from Oakland to Los Angeles in 1982.
“We’re exploring every option. I have complete resolve to move,” she said.
Commissioner Paul Tagliabue conceded the case is not closed, calling the vote he recommended applicable “at least for this week.” He said he “expected” the Rams would play in Anaheim again this year, but admitted he had no assurance that they wouldn’t hire moving vans and sneak out of town the way Robert Irsay did without a vote in 1984 when he left Baltimore for Indianapolis. But the league believes its guidelines governing franchise movement established since 1984 will stand up in court this time.
Frontiere urged St. Louis fans to “keep the faith.” They have purchased 74,000 “seat licenses” just for the right to buy tickets, many more than the city’s new dome can handle. Frontiere said she knew of no deadline for moving to play there this season, and with a slip of the tongue, said: “I’m afraid we’ll have to wait to see what the court decides.”
Both Frontiere and Rams vice president John Shaw said they would play in Anaheim this year if necessary, Shaw calling it “distinctly a possibility.”
By a vote of 21-3 with six abstentions, owners said the Rams did not meet the league criteria for moving, including sustained revenue losses. But the issue is far more complex than any list of do’s and don’ts.
For starters, the league offered the Rams three ways to buy their way into a go-vote regardless of guideline violations: 1. share a portion of the more than $60 million in “personal seat licenses” sold to St. Louis fans; 2. “deal” with the question of rights fees rebates to the Fox network; 3. contribute to a trust fund that would help build a stadium for an NFC team in Southern California.
The Rams made what Frontiere called a “substantial” offer to owners, believed to be $26 million, but were blindsided by the last two demands, which might have reached “tens of millions,” according to a source.
Shaw accused the league of planting the idea of rebates in a letter to Fox and called the trust fund for a Southern California stadium “arbitrary.” League spokesman Joe Browne called Shaw’s accusation of a plant “ridiculous.”
Tagliabue called the discussion and vote a “soul-searching” process of “how to balance the interests of two groups of fans.” Clearly, keeping an NFC team in the country’s second-largest market won out over the enthusiasm of St. Louis fans in the 20th market.
The Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Cincinnati Bengals were the only yes votes, and the ownership of the Bucs and Bengals have pushed for new stadiums. The six teams that abstained were the Raiders, Seahawks, Chargers, Colts, Saints, and Falcons.
Bears chairman Ed McCaskey voted against the move, saying: “The sanctity of the constitution and bylaws has been maintained.”
Frontiere said she reminded fellow owners that Bill Bidwill’s move of the Cardinals out of St. Louis to Phoenix in 1988 was approved “very easily.”
“He was a very lucky man,” she said.
“If Busch Stadium were a clone of Anaheim , I’d still be in St. Louis,” Bidwill said.
Shaw said he felt “extremely” confident the Rams could win a lawsuit, an option the Missouri attorney general’s office already has threatened.
Player agent Leigh Steinberg, chairman of the “Save the Rams” group in Anaheim, called the vote “wonderful” and invited Frontiere back with the promise to work on a new stadium or suggest 11 different groups happy to buy the team.
Frontiere said she would “never” sell and the enthusiasm of Southern California over the Rams was demonstrated by the absence of any television cameras from Los Angeles at these NFL meetings.
Abandoned by the Cardinals and jilted by expansion, St. Louis was left with only this promise from Frontiere: “I never liked the quarterback kneel at the end of a game. I’m not doing the quarterback kneel. The clock is still ticking.”
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Rams Say They’re Moving
Frontiere Gives Ok
Club Hopes To Wrap Up St. Louis Deal Soon
January 16, 1995Los Angeles Rams owner Georgia Frontiere and other team officials plan to complete a deal over the next two days to move the franchise to St. Louis.
Team President John Shaw was among a Rams contingent that arrived Sunday night in St. Louis to finalize details for the move, Rams spokesman Rick Smith said. Frontiere was to arrive later in the week.
FANS Inc., the St. Louis group courting the Rams, plans a news conference Tuesday to formally announce the switch, which must then be approved by NFL owners.
“I’m on my way,” Frontiere told the Los Angeles Times. “I have to give my approval. I have no other choice.”
The Rams, who projected a loss of some $6 million in Anaheim in 1994, have been offered a new stadium and practice facility and a potential profit of more than $20 million a year in St. Louis. That would make the franchise the most profitable in the NFL.
Part of the agreement is an unprecedented guarantee that at least 85 percent of luxury boxes and club seats will be sold for the next 15 years, accounting for at least $10 million annually for the team. The deal also will provide $30 million to pay off what the Rams owe the City of Anaheim.
The Rams have played in Southern California for 49 years since coming west from Cleveland. They were the first major-league team to move to the West Coast.
“I feel a little numb,” Frontiere told the Times. “It’s so wonderful and the future looks so bright, but I’m also sad that things were not able to work out here.”
Frontiere said she didn’t know what to say to Rams fans about taking the team to Missouri.
“How can you say anything?” Frontiere said. “You’re taking something away from somebody and they’re not going to be happy. I don’t think anyone will ever know how much I fought not to have this happen.”
January 13, 2015 at 2:59 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16430wv
ParticipantI am not a fan of these billion-dollar-modern-techno-stadiums.
If i had my way, teams would play in pasture land.
With cow-poop, and grass, and ‘maybe’ some bleachers.Anyway, here’s Atlanta’s new billion-dollar
NFL-thingy:http://newstadium.atlantafalcons.com/
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vJanuary 13, 2015 at 2:23 pm in reply to: Rams led all teams w/3 players selected to Pro Football Writers all-rookie team #16428wv
Participant3 on the all-rookie team? Nice.
2014 1 2 Greg Robinson OL
2014 1 13 Aaron Donald DT
2014 2 41 Lamarcus Joyner CB
2014 3 75 Tre Mason RB
2014 4 110 Maurice Alexander SS
2014 6 188 E.J. Gaines CB2014 6 214 Garrett Gilbert QB
2014 7 226 Mitchell Van Dyk OL
2014 7 241 C.B. Bryant FS
2014 7 249 Michael Sam DE
2014 7 250 Demetrius Rhaney OL
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ParticipantRogers is a 9.936
Luck is a 9.314
Brady is a 9.294
Wilson is a 9.134Thats all there is to it.
Simple algebra.w
vJanuary 12, 2015 at 8:08 pm in reply to: relocation thread #3, starting with Chargers stirring up a fight #16388wv
Participant“…it will replace the 31-year-old Metrodome, which the Vikings will vacate after the 2013 season. They’ll play outside at the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium for two years while the new venue is under construction.
In 2016, the Vikings will move back indoors. From the look of the new 65,000-seat building, though, they’ll feel a little like they’re playing in the elements, albeit with a controlled climate and protection from the rain, wind and snow….”Vikings are gonna play outside
for two years ?Damn. That will bring back some
memories of the old, cold days.
http://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2010/12/1969-kapp-brings-vikings-from-behind-to.htmlw
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ParticipantAnybody think Fox is a better coach
than Fisher? Just curious.w
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ParticipantYeah, it was pretty obvious
he was playing hurt this year.w
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ParticipantIf I call it a catch, then I can enjoy Dallas getting jobbed.
High-level and sinister thinking, there, Ag.
I congratulate you.w
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ParticipantDunno if this GIF will work, but its the one LA posted at the herd board.
LA thought it shows a catch. Because dez is “reaching out” for the endzone.I think it shows a no catch. Cause to me theres no “reaching out for the endzone” Exception
to the Rules. He didnt demonstrate control. He shouldnt have reached out if he
was gonna bobble it by reaching out. He shoulda just tucked it.wv
ParticipantSome tweets from Dallas fan Skip Bayless:
Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 1h 1 hour ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Absolute robbery. He was just trying to slam the ball across the goal line.Skip Bayless
@RealSkipBayless
That’s it. Crime of the Century.Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 56m 56 minutes ago
Now that lucky Rodgers has the refs and the NFL gods on his side.Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 55m 55 minutes ago
I just might have to throw up.Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 53m 53 minutes ago
Dez Bryant not only caught the ball and made a football play, he came very close to slamming the ball on the goal line for a TD. ROBBERY!Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 48m 48 minutes ago
Howie Long gets it. Dez was EXTENDING FOR THE GOAL LINE.Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 45m 45 minutes ago
Odell Beckham Jr. gets it. HE thought it was a catch.Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · 29m 29 minutes ago
Congrats, Packer fans. You just benefitted from one of the worst replay decisions in NFL playoff history, right there with the Tuck Rule.And his thoughts on last week’s picked up flag?
Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless · Jan 6
OK! OK! Cowboys got away with couple of things vs Det. So they’re supposed to forfeit at GBay? NO! THEY’RE PLAYING. DEAL WITH IT.-
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ParticipantIt’s not good if the front office is trying to dial up plays.
By the way–this sort of thing plays into a Columbo episode: “The Most Crucial Game” 1972
Paul Hanlon (Robert Culp), the general manager of the Los Angeles Rockets football team, wants to create a sports empire, but Eric Wagner (Dean Stockwell), who inherited the team, lacks ambition. Hanlon kills Eric instead.
…See? Everything in life can be explained by a Columbo episode.
Well if Los Angeles already has a football team,
then I’m confused.w
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ParticipantHere’s my big insight from the Packers game.
That Aaron Rodgers guy, he’s pretty good.
I don’t get why Snisher didn’t draft him.
That last TD pass of his,
while he was moving — the one
that split the two defenders — well,
Damn.w
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ParticipantItz Dallas and itz Dez
so, NO, it wasnt a catch.w
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ParticipantThe 2015 list presents them with no issues.
How about 2016?
In 2016 they have right now about half the cap free, based on the estimate that 2016 cap space will be around 150 M. That doesn’t count 2 draft classes (2015 and 2016) or Wilson. I list only UFAs. I took Wilson off the list cause they’re obviously extending him. I also bolded the guys I think will be important priorities.
Russell Okung LT Seahawks UFA $8,083,333
Marshawn Lynch RB Seahawks UFA $7,500,000
Brandon Mebane DT Seahawks UFA $5,000,000
Zach Miller TE Seahawks UFA $3,000,000
Tony McDaniel DT Seahawks UFA $2,875,000
Bruce Irvin 43DE Seahawks Option $2,335,550
Jon Ryan P Seahawks UFA $1,516,667
Bobby Wagner ILB Seahawks UFA $1,076,950
Robert Turbin RB Seahawks UFA $639,114
Jeremy Lane CB Seahawks UFA $556,279
J.R. Sweezy OG Seahawks UFA $539,212The impression I get is that they handled the cap well and the Wilson contract will not bite them if they continue to draft at a high level.
The year they have to watch out for is 2017, when virtually their entire secondary (Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor) is up.
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Damn. Then we’ll have to hope for
an Act of God.w
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ParticipantJust saw the stats on the Patriot-Raven game
Patriots 408 yards passing.
Patriots 14 yards rushing. (13 rushing plays)Thats gotta be some sorta record.
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ParticipantFwiw. Seattle free agents in 2015
http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/11072/2015-seattle-seahawks-free-agentsThe Seattle Seahawks have 19 free agents as they enter the 2015 offseason. The new league year opens at 4 p.m. ET March 10, when unrestricted free agents can sign with any team.
Here’s a list of the Seahawks Unrestricted and restricted free agents:
Unrestricted:
Taravis Jackson, quarterback
Will Tukuafu, fullback/defensive end
Anthony McCoy, tight end
Tony Moeaki, tight end
Lemuel Jeanpierre, center
Byron Maxwell, cornerback
Kevin Williams, defensive tackle
O’Brien Schofield, defensive end
Demarcus Dobbs, defensive end
D’Anthony Smith, defensive tackle
Malcolm Smith, outside linebacker
Heath Farwell, middle linebacker
Jeron Johnson, safety
Clint Gresham, long snapperRestricted:
Jermaine Kearse, wide receiver
Bryan Walters, receiver/punt returner
Mike Morgan, outside linebacker
Greg Scruggs, defensive end
Stephen Schilling, guard
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ParticipantPats Trick Play against Ravens:
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ParticipantPack 7
Cowboyz 0
First Quarter..make that seven to seven…
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January 11, 2015 at 10:46 am in reply to: According to NFL.com Rex Ryan to coach the Buffalo Bills & Roman goes with him #16255wv
ParticipantYes, he’s got a lot of bravado and just plain bullshit about him. But, the players love him from what I understand. And, he’s a good defensive coach.
So, it appears he’s going to pair with Trestman from the accounts floating around – that might be a really good combination for Buffalo. Their personnel is not that bad – need a QB either from within or without. And, it’s telling for me that he didn’t throw the ex-jet GM under the bus, at least publicly. Anyway, I’m just happy his defensive schemes didn’t follow him to SF.
I was kinda hoping for a
pairing of Rex and Martz.
Ya know. Just to see.It annoys me that Martz is
still out of the league.
I’d like to see him back in the NFL.w
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ParticipantSo the NFL’s investigation into misconduct committed by the NFL clears the NFL of any wrong-doing?
Well, at least we know it was impartial…
Look, if you dont like this country,
you can just go sell aluminum in North Korea.The NFL obviously values women,
or it wouldnt provide so many
cheerleader jobs.w
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ParticipantNo one could whip up prison camp show like Lebeau.
i alwayz thot it was nice of the Nazis
to let him keep his rasberry beretw
vJanuary 11, 2015 at 9:33 am in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16242wv
ParticipantAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter
The offensive coordinator Rex Ryan is most likely to bring with him to Buffalo is 49ers OC Greg Roman, per source.
Filed to ESPN: Bills putting finishing touches on deal that will make Rex Ryan their next HC, per sources. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
Just a couple more I’s to dot and T’s to cross, but Rex Ryan now expected to be the next Buffalo Bills HC. First domino falls!January 11, 2015 at 9:29 am in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #16240wv
Participant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I always look at trust when I want someone. There are different kinds of trust. You can trust someone to do what you want. You can trust someone to be good. You can trust someone to be what they are. I think Shanahan might fit all kinds.</span>
Well in any of Fisher’s gazillion years
in Tennessee, did he use a predominantly zone blocking scheme?…i wonder if he thinks that ZBS fits Tre Mason better.
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ParticipantUm…what “sources” would tell a reporter that the seahawks
are gonna make Wilson the highest paid QB ?I doubt he gets more than Rogers got.
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vJanuary 11, 2015 at 9:19 am in reply to: According to NFL.com Rex Ryan to coach the Buffalo Bills & Roman goes with him #16238wv
ParticipantI dunno. He would be about the last guy
on earth I’d Hire as a head coach.
I dont get it.w
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ParticipantI watch the games if NE, Dallas, or Seattle are losing.
Exactly.
Crippling injuries are a bonus.
Whats new in the world of
snooker?w
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January 10, 2015 at 5:44 pm in reply to: new relocation thread! starting with JT: Kroenke faces rough road out of town #16175wv
Participanti was just reading about the jaguars lease agreement with jacksonville.
there are ways they can get out of their lease agreement which lasts until 2030.
maybe khan gets st. louis to pay 100 million dollars to get out of their lease after the rams build their stadium.
But then the Jacksonville fans
are screwed.
And Peace and Justice still elude us.Cant you think of a win, win, win
solution?w
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ParticipantBradford is healthy. STL wins another Superbowl.
O, now ‘that’ would be
funny.Especially if they played the
NFC championship game in St.Louis
and no-one showed up.w
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ParticipantRavens 14
Pats 7
Second Quarter.Hmmmm.
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