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wvParticipantbnw and wv…
Two Mulders adrift in a sea of Scullys.
…yeah well I never explicitly said i was SURE
Alien pod-creatures ate Scalia’s brains. I’m just
saying an autopsy might have shown his brains were
gone.w
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wvParticipantHe believes a lot of crazy-stuff.
Did you read the article?I did read it, though admittedly, I did it quickly.
What is some of the crazy stuff he believes?
From the rolling stone article:
….The New World Order’s methods are many: manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and — above all — inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria. The endgame, Jones believes, is a mass eugenics operation that will depopulate the planet by poisoning our food and water with fluoride, radioactive isotopes and various futuristic toxic soups being engineered in New World Order laboratories. Those who resist are being tracked by secret, federalized police bunkers known as “fusion centers” that will eventually round up every dissenter and throw them into camps run by the Federal Emergency Management Authority.
By disseminating such theories over the airwaves and online, where followers can get the word out faster than any film distributor, Jones can draw a million viewers within days for a documentary like his The Obama Deception. “In the past, such theories were circulated in booklets, books, public speeches and sermons,” says Chip Berlet, who studies conspiracy…
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/talk-radios-alex-jones-the-most-paranoid-man-in-america-20110302#ixzz40SqDbyfE
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on FacebookFebruary 17, 2016 at 12:42 pm in reply to: McShay Kiper just now on ESPN raving about Rams talent #39148
wvParticipantThe OLine is still a question mark.
Personally? I don’t think it’s a question mark. I think at worst it is already an average OL.
They added 12 linemen starting in 2014 and haven’t even sorted out yet which of the present 14 they have now…with more to come…will be the 9 or 10 they take into 2016. Either way all the signs indicated they did well with that, with better than usual for rookies rookie performances from 3 of the ones they drafted in 2015 (who gets 3 good linemen in one draft??? …but then who gets 2 consecutive rookies of the year).
Yeah, i am close to that point of view.
Its mainly GRob I’m still concerned about.
And the Ram-OL Curse.
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wvParticipantThere isn’t a law requiring autopsies because SC justices’ deaths have never been questioned before. We don’t make laws, typically, in anticipation of something that might happen. We make laws to address issues we already experience.
And Scalia’s death would not be an issue at all if it weren’t for a few circumstances. First, it’s Scalia. Secondly, he didn’t die in the hospital. And, most importantly, the narrative many people in this country are living is one in which democrats – particularly the Clintons and Obama – are basically demons with no scruples. It goes hand-in-hand with the same narrative that has led us to Donald Trump as a serious presidential candidate. The relentless right wing media assaults on these people have created a subculture that EXPECTS democrats to perform illegal and even “evil” deeds. That suspicion has been seeded continuously for the past 30 years.
It’s really no surprise that they would suspect foul play.
Thats all perfectly logical.
And i still think there should have
been an autopsy.Somehow, i will press on with life,
despite the fact my wishes for
an autopsy were ignored 🙂w
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wvParticipantThen he’s not a conspiracy theorist, anymore than Chomsky is.
Conspiracy theorists create fictions.
He’s an historian of the present. It’s a different thing.
I dont know what you mean by that.
He believes a lot of crazy-stuff.
Did you read the article?w
vFebruary 17, 2016 at 10:10 am in reply to: McShay Kiper just now on ESPN raving about Rams talent #39136
wvParticipantferragamo79
obviously they need a QB, but I was shocked how they were raving about Rams talent
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Well, i never quite know what to think
of these kinds of ‘ravings’ by the media celebrities.There are Many teams that are ‘close’
to challenging for a ring, i think. A few players away, maybe.
I think the Rams are one of those, many teams.The OLine is still a question mark. Lots of “potential”.
Lots of encouraging indications of talent. I’m
optimistic about the OLine, but I’m also still
in “wait and see” mode — especially with GRob.Receivers? Loaded with talent? Nah.
Tight Ends? Loaded with talent? Nah.
Defense? Well, we’ll have to wait and see about Quinn.
So thats a question mark. And we’ll have to wait
and see how many key players they can re-sign.I can see this team rocketing up the standings
and winning 12 games next year — and i can also
see this team wallowing around the .500 mark again.
So….i dunno. Lots of question marks for me.w
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wvParticipantDunno why this is controversial.
The justice of the peace relied on information from Scalia’s doctor and law enforcement on the scene.
So, unless we accept that Scalia’s doctor AND all of the Texas Law Enforcement were at the very least brought to cow… there can be no conspiracy. The mere act of no autopsy is not direct nor circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy nor indicative of any type of motive.
Basically, there is no “there” there.———————
But Mack how would a family doctor and some local cops
know if Scalia had been poisoned or killed KGB-professional-style ?
There is no way nonprofessionals would or could KNOW.
It would take an autopsy to know.Now, do i suspect foulplay? No.
But am i surprised an autopsy wasn’t required
by law or wanted by the family? Yeah.And yes you DO know why this is controversial — cause
this country is very divided and has millions of
people who dont trust the system. Like, at all.w
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wvParticipantAll I’ve ever written is what was reported and my disbelief that the unexpected death of the highest government official in office since President Kennedy didn’t warrant an autopsy.
Well, I’m surprised an autopsy wasn’t performed.
I woulda thot there was some sorta law about that
to be honest.w
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wvParticipantIt aint because he’s funded by some rightwing machine.
You do know no one said conspiracy theories are funded directly by an rw machine. In fact saying that would be a conspiracy theory.
But there are resources out there that are supported by private money, yes. They provide access and distribution but there’s no conspirator making up conspiracy theories and putting them in people’s heads.
And the popularity of this one guy doesn’t have anything to do with that either way. There’s always all kindsa guys out there. But in given years, certain kinds of issues take massive precedence…like the energy time and money spent on proving Obama was this or that foreign thing.
Yes, agreed.
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I bet there’s tons of psychological and sociological stuff that plays into that, and yeah, the internet certainly helps promote this stuff. People distrust government. They distrust corporations. They distrust organised religion, etc. Often that distrust is legitimate but the conspiracy theorists’ response is way over-the-top. They’ll come up with a scenario that seems to fit the facts but ignore actual evidence or dismiss it as fake – because the authorities can’t be trusted. And because they refuse to believe contradicting evidence, conspiracies can never be disproven in their minds. Every conspiracy theory ever imagined still has its proponents.Yeah, its complicated. And its not just “rightwing” stuff. Alex Jones is the King of conspiracy and he is not easily catagorized. He rails against Corporations as much as the Government. He is a fascinating phenomenon. People often mistake my views for a version of his…
Anyway, i’m interested in why Alex Jones is so popular. It aint because he’s funded by some rightwing machine.
wvParticipantIn fact it fans the flames.
There will be very few flames.
That’s my bet.
That is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
Conspiracy dynamics are interesting to me. There seems
to be so much of it in the last ten years.
What accounts for it? Is ‘it’ increasing? Why
would that be? Does the internet have something
to do with it?I mean, even the network-suits are plugging into it.
The X Files kinda capitalized on this dynamic,
with its story lines, and other shows have as well.w
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wvParticipantI saw Michael Tigar speak at a California Attorneys for Criminal Justice seminar many years ago. Impressive person.
I would have liked to have met him. I think he did work
for the Black Panthers at some point in the 60s.We ‘do’ agree on the importance of surfing, W 🙂
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wvParticipantAs a criminal defense lawyer I’m surprise at your opinion of Scalia. His “originalism” belief in the constitution actually joined and authored several decisions that gave protection to the accused. Even if he had to hold his nose at the same time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/antonin-scalia-death.html?_r=0
——————————Nah, he was the devil. He did hideous, hideous
things to poor people and to the bio-sphere.Sometimes even the Devil does some things i might
agree with — Like, i remember William F Buckley liked
peanut butter. He wrote a column on it. And i agreed with him 🙂…We just have fundamentally different views of the “law”
and where it comes from and what it is, W. I agree
with the thoughts below. You have a different view.w
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“In practice legal mythology is primarily directed at obscuring
the bitter struggle between the classes and at articulating in
consciousness the view that law is unaligned with any interests…
…law can be characterized in its modern period, by the
conscious camouflaging of interests…expressing in human
relationships on one hand, while hiding its relation to
economics institutions on the other…legal theorists believe
‘will’, rather than material conditions to be the basis of law. …
the state is the political form through which the ruling class
controls and mediates class antagonisms…..law is fundamentally
class law….. M.E. Tigar (“radical lawyers”)“The law is therefore a regulation of equality among unequals.
For those who believe the official slogans of the ruling class
— that we are a government of laws and not men,
and that our system guarantees equal protection —
Anatole France once answered by describing how
“the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well
as the poor from sleeping under the bridge.” …the law is an
expression of political ideology and propaganda as well as
an instrument of oppression….”
M.E. Tigar (radical lawyers)
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wvParticipantOver the years the president’s nominee has normally focused on finding someone that both parties can accept. One strategy now would be for Obama to nominate a very liberal judge which then forces the Republicans to reconsider their stalemate on the chance that Clinton-or Sanders win and their stuck with the worst case scenario.
Did you mean, Obama would nominate a centrist Justice,
so that the Reps might go along with it, fearing
Clinton/Sanders might give them someone more on the left?Cause that would not surprise me. Ie, Obama
nominating a ‘centrist’ type.
(Anything, is better than Scalia, imho, btw)w
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wvParticipantI am delighted,
jesus, finally took him
and threw him
in hell.w
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wvParticipantFrom the BBC site… a bit old, but aren’t we all…
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35521558
Viewpoint: Are Donald Trump and his rivals a big joke?
9 February 2016
From the section MagazineWith the US presidential election just nine months away, and would-be candidates battling it out in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary, American political satirist, PJ O’Rourke casts a scathing eye over the candidates hoping to make it to the White House.
There’s an American saying..————————
Well, O’Rourke always just sounds like a rightwing libertarian
to me. Which is what he is.w
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wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O’Rourke
“…member of the Cato institute…He did his undergraduate work at Miami University, in Ohio, and earned an M.A. in English at Johns Hopkins University while a brother of the Alpha Delta Phi Literary Society. He recounts that during his student days he was a left-leaning hippie, but that in the 1970s his political views underwent a volte-face. He emerged as a political observer and humorist with libertarian viewpoints.
wvParticipantSo the real question, it seems to me, is what is the end game? What happens if Obama nominates somebody in a couple of weeks, and the Republicans tie it up? If they can’t make a case against the nominee, and just fight on the principle that the country oughta wait…I think that’s disaster for Republicans.
Well i think yer thinkin like a Non-Republican.
The Religious Right will see it as a holy-war — abortion.
They will want the Reps to delay no matter what. They’ll applaud it.And the Money-Corporate-RightWingers will also not want
a new justice who might roll back some of the huge
corporate gains in the last few years. So, they wont care about ‘honor’ or ethics or any of that silly liberal bullshit.And the middle-grounders and the ‘undecided’ types who
decide elections ? Well they are off playing
video games or wondering whats on tv this week.w
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wvParticipantYeah. Supreme Court matters.
And Ted Cruz has already tweeted that he wants to stall the replacement for Satan until the next president is in office.
And maybe if it’s Hillary, she can just send Obama to the Supreme Court.
I loathed Scalia. With a loathing beyond loathing.
I am not happy he’s dead,
but i am joyful he’s off the Court,
and in Hell. I did a little jig
when i heard. A bob and weave.The man can no longer hurt poor people.
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wvParticipantI’ll say this about the “horserace”…ugh…
That said, what’s frustrating is that Dems say Hillary is “more electable”, but in EVERY SINGLE national poll, Trump beats or ties Hillary… ,but Sanders just CRUSHES Trump. It’s not close,
Yeah, i had to turn off NPR today and yesterday
because their ex-purts (cokie roberts, etc) were
all implying and inferring that Hillary was
more “electable” than Bernie.NPR makes me gag, when it comes
to “news” and politics.w
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wvParticipantWell those numbers over the last seven games
are very very good.But then there’s those first 9 games,
including an injury…I dunno. He’s never had
a sixteen game season that impressed me.
The rookie dink-and-dunk year was not
impressive to ‘me.’So for ‘me’ Bradford is STILL,
after all this time — a question mark.w
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wvParticipant… no one else is willing to solve these critical problems in a real way.
He sees many of these issues, Climate Change, Citizens United, mass incarceration, health care as a right as EXISTENTIAL threats to our democracy and the citizenry. Because no other candidate sees them this way (or at all)....I’m done triangulating and fucking around with the politics.
Based on that, there’s Bernie…. And there’s Hillary as a terribly distant second….
———————Agree, on the first part.
On the Hillary/triangulation part? Why not vote for Jill Stein and the Green Party, Mack? Assuming that the Corporate-Machine rolls on as usual and the choice is presented as Hillary vs Rubio (or some other Rep)
I mean, isnt voting for Hillary the ‘definition‘ of ‘triangulation’ ?
Oddly, if i were to have to choose between
Trump and Hillary….if that were my only choice…(and of course it aint)…
I am not a hundred percent sure I’d pick Hillary. Trump is an odd bird.
I’m not a hundred percent sure he’d screw the poor
more than Hillary.w
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wvParticipantThe biggest crises facing us today pertain to the environment. I can’t think of any candidate running today who has addressed that issue as much as Bernie. No one else is even talking about it.
I agree with this.
If you believe that the current system is indeed
a Biosphere-Killer, then, among the Dems and Reps,
there’s only one candidate worth voting for.Now, if you wanna expand outside the Dem/Rep
spectrum there’s Jill Stein, etc.Hillary will win. Rubio will win. The biosphere-killing
machine will continue on. Like the terminator.
Because of the power of
cultural hegemony.Have a nice day,
and bury lentils
in your back yard. 🙂w
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wvParticipantWell, yes “he was not used to playing in a pro style offense”
and that certainly didnt help,
but then why did he play so well the first four games?I mean he started out with very little experience
in a pro-style-O and yet he did well.
THEN, at Green Bay, he entered the abyss.w
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wvParticipant“Biggest strength: Depending on how they want to tweak their offense, the Rams have some good variety at quarterback…”
Good variety at QB.
I see.
Never seen it put that way before.
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wvParticipantWell, perhaps it harkens back to our evolutionary
past. Maybe on some deep new-agey-level
we remember being nautilus shaped…


wvParticipantPS — Mack have you watched this? Best of Enemies. Vidal and Buckley
wvParticipantSaunders was hired by Hue Jackson and the Browns,
i saw. It’ll be interesting to see how that works out.I think all of us who have enjoyed learning about the history
of GSOT offense over the years (Gillman, Coryell, Zampese, Saunders, Martz, etc), have sorta kept an eye on guys like Saunders
to see how that offense is doing, and what permutations
are still taking place.w
vFebruary 10, 2016 at 11:03 am in reply to: "Steddy Ambition": Stedman Bailey's Journey Back to the NFL #38810
wvParticipantrooting for this kid.
you are a cold mofo wv
I’m thinking of changing my name
to: One-cold-wv-Mofow
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wvParticipant‘We Read Them Like a Book’
Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and his unit utilized ‘green-dog’ blitzes and an extra lineman to overwhelm Cam Newton and a Panthers offense that had no answers in Super Bowl 50
by Andy Benoit
Well, i dunno. Its easy to second-guess the Panthers
strategy. But that team was 15-1. If indeed
they just went with what had worked all year,
i can understand that approach. Thats kinda
what Martz seemed to do — the “lets just do
what WE do best” approach…I’d also point out, the Broncos have
D.Ware and Von Miller — two all-pro, elite
Pass Rushers.Two.
Like (healthy?) Quinn and A.D.
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wvParticipantWhat do you think about this question Mack — Bernie Sanders is basically, essentially saying exactly the same things Ralph Nader was saying for decades.
And yet Ralph always got less than ten percent of the vote
in each state he ran in (I ‘think’ thats right, yes?).So, why is it Voters are voting for Bernie now, but they
wouldnt vote for Ralph ? Same policies.Only differences I can see between Bernie and Ralph are,
Bernie is Jewish, and his policies on Israel are different
than Ralphs.Any thots?
PS — I still dont think Bernie has a chance in hell of
beating the Machine and Hillary.w
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