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  • #38940
    zn
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    I think this is an interesting topic. Some don’t–they’re done with the guy. That’s fine. What this ISN’T, though, is a slam on the trade. For the record, when the Foles trade happened, I said I was fine with it…I got that the Rams felt they couldn’t risk staying with SB after 2 knees. What I like everyone else didn’t know was that Foles would go through a major meltdown. Either way, IMO if you defend the trade when it happened, you shrug at the ill-fated meltdown and move on. So I am not doing a “they never shoulda traded him” routine.

    Anyway, after a rocky start, Bradford finished well in Phil. In his last 7 starts,

    his avg. qb rating was 98.5 (with only 1 game below 91) (across 16 games this would have ranked him 8th in the league)

    he threw 10 TDs & 4 INTs

    He had a 68.1% completion rate (which across 16 games would have tied him for 3rd with Wilson).

    He got 7.98 YPA (which across 16 games would have ranked him 6th).

    IMO that’s strong by any definition.

    A lot of it is probably Kelly, whose system is very qb friendly.

    There’s other things.

    PFF ranked him 1st among 2015 qbs in accuracy under pressure, and that’s in spite of being 2nd in most drops by receivers when throwing under pressure: https://www.profootballfocus.com/data/signature.php?tab=signature&season=2015&pos=qbu&teamid=-1&filter=25&conf=-1&yr=-1&wk=1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17

    He also had a decent sack percentage when throwing under pressure (ranked 13th) which means that he wasn’t taking sacks or showing a lack of pocket presence—he was throwing the ball well under pressure. He sort of buried that old “no pocket presence” thing. And that’s with mediocre WRs and a shakey OL.

    He was also 15th in deep ball accuracy (which PFF measures by balls thrown in the air 20 yards or more). He was 14th in deep TDs (which ties him in this category with Rodgers, and ranks him better than Brady and Flacco).

    #38979
    lyser
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    The dude has had some hard luck. I don’t believe he is elite nor has he had a very good shot given the teams around him and the injuries. It’s not like he has had CHRONIC shoulder, knee or ankle problems – he has just simply had those injuries happen to him…unlike what I suspect is going on with Saffold’s shoulders – that dude can’t hold up and his shoulders DO seem chronic, just ask the Rah dahs.

    Foles sucked pretty bad, but at the time the trade seemed to make sense. He set freaking records a few years back and SUCKED as a Ram.

    The search for Spock…errr…Frodo continues.

    #38983
    wv
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    Well those numbers over the last seven games
    are very very good.

    But then there’s those first 9 games,
    including an injury…

    I dunno. He’s never had
    a sixteen game season that impressed me.
    The rookie dink-and-dunk year was not
    impressive to ‘me.’

    So for ‘me’ Bradford is STILL,
    after all this time — a question mark.

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    #38987
    zn
    Moderator

    But then there’s those first 9 games,
    including an injury…

    Bradford is and always has been a slow learner. Not because he’s not smart, but because as an athlete (IMO) he’s more of a “learn it by repping a lot” type and has very little spontaneous improv in him. I have been saying all this since early in his Rams career. He CAN improv when he knows the drill by heart.

    So a slow start in a new offense that had no running game and mediocre WRs? To me that’s just expected. Add getting his knee to be less stiff and more flexible to that.

    So the slow start is no surprise.

    Him doing well AFTER a slow start is no surprise.

    The thing people should notice though is all the stuff he was doing once he got tuned in, stuff that people said he CAN’T do.

    Yes he was aware in the pocket and did a good job under pressure, stepping up, evading sacks, getting the ball off. People said before he couldn’t do that and yes he was doing that and very well.

    He had a high YPA, something people said he would never get. 7.98 is very good.

    The only thing he wasn’t that he WAS before was deadly in the redzone. He used to be one of the 2-3 best in the league inside the 10. That wasn’t as evident in 2015.

    Interesting about perceptions though. Roethlisberger missed games last year, again…a frequent thing with him. Yet he is supposed to be the epitome of tough. Bradford was out 2 games with a concussion, and that’s coming back from 2 knee injuries. Yet he is supposed to be a china doll, as some put it.

    But see last year, Eagles were 22nd in qb hits (meaning 22nd worst, they allowed a lot) yet Bradford ended up being PFF’s best qb under pressure. THAT is a very striking thing. High in hits? Yet also best under pressure? Whazzat combo tellya?

    I always felt with Bradford that there were perception problems in talking about him. People just couldn’t SER stuff with him, and often assumed the opposite of what was actually the case.

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    #39004
    InvaderRam
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    he had career highs in completion percentage, yards, and yards per attempt.

    i still don’t think i’d want him though. he’s 28 now, and while that’s not old i think i’ve seen enough to wonder whether he’ll ever be healthy for longer than one season. he’s the sam bowie of nfl qbs.

    i think i’d rather have rg3.

    #39162
    zn
    Moderator

    after a rocky start, Bradford finished well in Phil. In his last 7 starts,

    Malcolm Jenkins: Sam Bradford can lead Eagles to Super Bowl

    by Darin Gantt

    Malcolm Jenkins: Sam Bradford can lead Eagles to Super Bowl

    The Eagles don’t appear to be interested in using the franchise tag on quarterback Sam Bradford, but one of his teammates is a big believer in his ability to lead the team in a post-Chip Kelly world.

    Via Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins was unequivocal in his praise of Bradford, saying he could lead them to a Super Bowl.

    “If you protect Sam and give him weapons to use,” Jenkins said, “I think he can be one of those quarterbacks to win a championship.”

    That wasn’t always apparent last year, though Bradford did look more and more competent as the year went on. Staying healthy was a plus as well, after what he went through the two previous years in St. Louis. Perhaps getting more stable on his twice-repaired ACL was the difference, but Jenkins said Bradford was also more comfortable in the locker room, which helped.

    “Early, especially in the first half of the season, I don’t know how comfortable he was in the locker room or being in the role of the leader on the team when he had just gotten here, Jenkins said. “He’s got new guys. Then he got hurt, and when he came back, he decided to take the team by the horns basically.

    He really started to be a lot more vocal, he started to break down the huddles, he started to speak to the team before every game. When he did that, he gained the trust of the teammates and he started playing better. The back half of the season, he played really well for us.

    “So, from a player’s perspective, we definitely got behind Sam in that back stretch and really would like to see him back moving forward. We think he can be the leader and the quarterback that we need.”

    There was a bright-line difference between the first seven weeks of Bradford (62 percent completions, 76.4 passer rating) and the rest of the season (68 percent, 97.0).

    And that kind of play the back half of the season will also make him valuable to others as he’s about to hit the market, though not valuable enough for the Eagles to invest $20 million for a single year, or to allow him to think that’s where the negotiation starts.

    #39188
    zn
    Moderator

    Hey invader, I switched our RG3 discussion to this thread, where it’s more appropriate IMO:

    Rams & qbs in free agency (Manning, RG3, etc): http://theramshuddle.com/topic/get-used-to-the-quarterback-rumors/

    #39488
    zn
    Moderator

    Sam Bradford Expected To Re-Sign With Eagles, May Have To Take A “Prove-It Deal”

    link: http://nfltraderumors.co/143043-2/

    Jason Cole of B/R has spoken to multi NFL teams who expect free agent QB Sam Bradford to re-sign with the Eagles this offseason. However, Bradford will not receive the Eagles’ franchise tag.

    Cole mentions that Bradford had a strong finish to his 2015 season, but it’s still unlikely that he’ll receive a massive contract in line with the recent quarterbacks deals. Instead, Cole believes Bradford may have to sign a one-year, “prove-it deal” in 2016 and test the open market again in 2017.

    Eagles executive Howie Roseman recently said on a recent podcast with Dave Spadaro that they want to have Bradford back next year if it “makes sense on both sides.”

    “We’ve all been clear that we like Sam, and we’d like to have him back. It goes then between all of us and whether we can figure something out that makes sense on both sides,” said Roseman, via PhillyMag.com. “Sometimes we get into a situation where we sit here and it will make sense from the team’s perspective but when you’re talking about a negotiation, it’s also got to work for the other side and the player, and we understand that. But hopefully this will all work out and we’ll look at that depth chart when we line up here in July and be really excited about the position.”

    Bradford, 28, played out the final year of his six-year, $78 million contract that included $50 million guaranteed.

    The free agent market for quarterbacks isn’t very deep with Bradford, Kirk Cousins, and Ryan Fitzpatrick being the most notable players, so it will be interesting to see where he ends up and the kind of contract he signs.

    In 2015, Bradford threw for 3,725 yards while completing 66 percent of his passes to go along with 19 touchdown passes and 14 interceptions. Pro Football Focus has him rated as the No. 12 quarterback out of 37 qualifying players.

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